They ended unemployment especially in the red States and yet….

Your father was earning what is equivalent to $172,003.20 in today's earnings which would put him in the top 5% of all earners in the US. You are considered to be in the top 2% earning $250K per year. You are fortunate.

I am not sure of what your stance is, but you and your father had/ have more than enough to maintain an upper-class lifestyle.

Again, working full time earning $15/ hr is $31,200. In Texas, Georgia, and many other states this is well above minimum wage and right at the median income. Two people earning $15/ hr would be middle class in the US earning a combined household income of $62,000.

If anyone believes that two married people who work at McD's who earn $15/ hr isn't living a comfortable life, then you have never worked or dealt with those who are truly unfortunate. $15/ hr is considered a livable wage.

People who earn $15/ hr or less
  • LPNs
  • New teachers
  • EMT-B
  • Lab Assistant
  • Vet tech
  • Pharm Tech
  • Med Assistant
  • USPS
  • UPS

Most states do not even pay $15/ hr. It is much much less.

I never said that the homes were luxury. I even conceded that they are not in the best neighborhoods. But, I also said multiple times is that a person must live within their means. One of the counterarguments was that there was no housing available. My point was simply that there is housing and a path to upgrade your living situation over time. I also added to the point by stating that in my opinion, people are not willing to do what is needed to improve their situations. people want to have a particular lifestyle without having to work for it.

Actually, this is validation for me. The idea that going with the crowd means you are right is asinine.

Your entire position is based upon opinion. I have provided quantitative analysis supporting why I believe that $15/ hr is sufficient for low level workers such as fast-food workers.

Here is a legitimate and sincere question, how much do people think that fast-food workers and similar workers should be paid. And do not just say a "livable wage." Because a livable wage is arbitrary and not quantitative.

The Post Office pays more than $15 an hour and you actually can get benefits.

 
The Post Office pays more than $15 an hour and you actually can get benefits.

Average United States Postal Service Mail Sorter yearly pay in the United States is approximately $33,664 which is $16.20. This is the average. In most places, it is less, but some places more. But, to your point, I think working for USPS is a great job because of the benefits.

Dude, you keep missing the point. Wages haven't kept up while the price of everything else has.

2 people making $15 are still going to struggle. Throw in some kids, 1 vehicle and moderate lifestyle and that ain't shit.

These new cats can't change an alternator or starter on a car, wire lights and dimmers, install drywall, tile, recessed fixtures and handy man jobs. Hell I can barely get my hands inside the wheel well of my X-5 to swap out the air suspension let alone an A/C compressor.

The shit you're talking is out dated. You can't repair modern cars like you used too. You can't fix TV and computers like you used too. The bootstrap game is different for young people. The skills needed are different and most people don't have the resources to do a lot of what you're saying to do PROPERLY! Those that can't deserve a living wage.
So what is the solution? What have I said that was outdated? Learning a valuable skill is outdated? Getting married is outdated? Going to school for a STEM degree is outdated? Buying a starter home and working your way up is outdated? Working more than one job is outdated?

If a kid can't change an alternator, install wire dimmers, or do other handyman jobs. that is poor parenting. Not my fault or society's fault.

With all due respect, you are complaining that you are barely able to swap out the air suspension or air compressor on your $70,000 BMW?

Earning $15/ hr is a blessing. I know people who earn much less.
 
This is the thing about these random houses you guys post. Are you familiar at all with these areas? lol. I am. Fayetteville is basically the new ClayCo. There's a reason that property is so cheap. You're going to have to deal with high crime, a shit commute if you work in the city (hours daily considering there is no transit that goes there), etc. If you find a house in the ATL metro for a deal like that there's a reason for it. My ex used to live in Fayetteville and that was 8 years ago and I wouldn't even live over there then. Add on the fact that all of the hoods in the city are being gentrified and people being pushed to where ever they can afford... and this is what you get. I'm good on that. In another 10 years Clayco/Fayette are likely going to be largely undesirable areas. Hell Henry County too.

What Ellenwood lookin' like nowadays???
 
Average United States Postal Service Mail Sorter yearly pay in the United States is approximately $33,664 which is $16.20. This is the average. In most places, it is less, but some places more. But, to your point, I think working for USPS is a great job because of the benefits.


So what is the solution? What have I said that was outdated? Learning a valuable skill is outdated? Getting married is outdated? Going to school for a STEM degree is outdated? Buying a starter home and working your way up is outdated? Working more than one job is outdated?

If a kid can't change an alternator, install wire dimmers, or do other handyman jobs. that is poor parenting. Not my fault or society's fault.

With all due respect, you are complaining that you are barely able to swap out the air suspension or air compressor on your $70,000 BMW?

Earning $15/ hr is a blessing. I know people who earn much less.

This why niggas like you get they deauxs kicked in.
 
Average United States Postal Service Mail Sorter yearly pay in the United States is approximately $33,664 which is $16.20. This is the average. In most places, it is less, but some places more. But, to your point, I think working for USPS is a great job because of the benefits.


So what is the solution? What have I said that was outdated? Learning a valuable skill is outdated? Getting married is outdated? Going to school for a STEM degree is outdated? Buying a starter home and working your way up is outdated? Working more than one job is outdated?

If a kid can't change an alternator, install wire dimmers, or do other handyman jobs. that is poor parenting. Not my fault or society's fault.

With all due respect, you are complaining that you are barely able to swap out the air suspension or air compressor on your $70,000 BMW?

Earning $15/ hr is a blessing. I know people who earn much less.

Sorry but you're not factoring in the benefits as well.

The average starting pay (wages only) for these positions range from $16.74 – $19.19 per hour.
When you add the value of the benefits (worth about 33% of wages, as reported above), the pay range for these positions is therefore $20.17 per hour for non-career employees to $39.98 per hour for career employees
.
 
My wife and I bought our first home for 74k in '94. Now that same home is going for 4x what we paid.
In 1974, the minimum wage was $2.00. Today, the minimum wage is $7.25. In keeping with the inflation of your home and using that as the standard rate of increase, today's minimum wage should be $8.00. This is a 9% difference. This is significantly lower than $15/hr.

Neighborhoods are worse. This is a fact. I acknowledge this. Some homes that are affordable are now in neighborhoods where crime has risen exponentially. But this was never the argument.
Some of y'all gon' learn that da antiquated views you applied to yesteryear doesn't apply to today's climate. Whole way of thinkin' be backwards as fuck.
And with all sincerity for the fourth time, what is the solution? What can you tell people that they can apply to their lives right now that will help them improve their lives? According to some of you:
  • Going to college, bad idea, it is a waste of time.
  • Get another job so that you have two jobs, bad idea, you want more free time.
  • Quit your current job and get a different job, bad idea, you current job should just want to pay you more.
  • Move somewhere cheaper, bad idea, you want to live wherever you want.
  • Live within your means, bad idea, you want to have the lifestyle equivalent to everyone else regardless of education, job, etc.
  • Buy a house, bad idea, the affordable homes are in neighborhoods you don't like.
  • Get married and practice group economics as two working adults, bad idea, these hoes ain't shit.
FYI: The national poverty line for a single adult is $12,880.
 
In 1974, the minimum wage was $2.00. Today, the minimum wage is $7.25. In keeping with the inflation of your home and using that as the standard rate of increase, today's minimum wage should be $8.00. This is a 9% difference. This is significantly lower than $15/hr.

Neighborhoods are worse. This is a fact. I acknowledge this. Some homes that are affordable are now in neighborhoods where crime has risen exponentially. But this was never the argument.

And with all sincerity for the fourth time, what is the solution? What can you tell people that they can apply to their lives right now that will help them improve their lives? According to some of you:
  • Going to college, bad idea, it is a waste of time.
  • Get another job so that you have two jobs, bad idea, you want more free time.
  • Quit your current job and get a different job, bad idea, you current job should just want to pay you more.
  • Move somewhere cheaper, bad idea, you want to live wherever you want.
  • Live within your means, bad idea, you want to have the lifestyle equivalent to everyone else regardless of education, job, etc.
  • Buy a house, bad idea, the affordable homes are in neighborhoods you don't like.
  • Get married and practice group economics as two working adults, bad idea, these hoes ain't shit.
FYI: The national poverty line for a single adult is $12,880.
Internet, social media, tech, networking, knowledge on more subjects such as stocks , more options in the job marketing , more ways to make money off your capabilities as self employed person… it’s way more ways to make money these days than it was 40+ yrs ago hell even 20 yrs ago.. hell you keep talking about stem what was stem 40 yrs ago?.. you see even you pushing a newer way to make money that didn’t exist or had lil impact yesteryear.. this is what shorty means… the game plan of 2021 is diff than the game plan of 1981
 
In 1974, the minimum wage was $2.00. Today, the minimum wage is $7.25. In keeping with the inflation of your home and using that as the standard rate of increase, today's minimum wage should be $8.00. This is a 9% difference. This is significantly lower than $15/hr.

Neighborhoods are worse. This is a fact. I acknowledge this. Some homes that are affordable are now in neighborhoods where crime has risen exponentially. But this was never the argument.

And with all sincerity for the fourth time, what is the solution? What can you tell people that they can apply to their lives right now that will help them improve their lives? According to some of you:
  • Going to college, bad idea, it is a waste of time.
  • Get another job so that you have two jobs, bad idea, you want more free time.
  • Quit your current job and get a different job, bad idea, you current job should just want to pay you more.
  • Move somewhere cheaper, bad idea, you want to live wherever you want.
  • Live within your means, bad idea, you want to have the lifestyle equivalent to everyone else regardless of education, job, etc.
  • Buy a house, bad idea, the affordable homes are in neighborhoods you don't like.
  • Get married and practice group economics as two working adults, bad idea, these hoes ain't shit.
FYI: The national poverty line for a single adult is $12,880.

My solution currently??? Hittin' this ignore button on yo' bitch ass like I shoulda been did. :dunno:
 
Your father was earning what is equivalent to $172,003.20 in today's earnings which would put him in the top 5% of all earners in the US. You are considered to be in the top 2% earning $250K per year. You are fortunate.

I am not sure of what your stance is, but you and your father had/ have more than enough to maintain an upper-class lifestyle.

Again, working full time earning $15/ hr is $31,200. In Texas, Georgia, and many other states this is well above minimum wage and right at the median income. Two people earning $15/ hr would be middle class in the US earning a combined household income of $62,000.

If anyone believes that two married people who work at McD's who earn $15/ hr isn't living a comfortable life, then you have never worked or dealt with those who are truly unfortunate. $15/ hr is considered a livable wage.

People who earn $15/ hr or less
  • LPNs
  • New teachers
  • EMT-B
  • Lab Assistant
  • Vet tech
  • Pharm Tech
  • Med Assistant
  • USPS
  • UPS

Most states do not even pay $15/ hr. It is much much less.

I never said that the homes were luxury. I even conceded that they are not in the best neighborhoods. But, I also said multiple times is that a person must live within their means. One of the counterarguments was that there was no housing available. My point was simply that there is housing and a path to upgrade your living situation over time. I also added to the point by stating that in my opinion, people are not willing to do what is needed to improve their situations. people want to have a particular lifestyle without having to work for it.

Actually, this is validation for me. The idea that going with the crowd means you are right is asinine.

Your entire position is based upon opinion. I have provided quantitative analysis supporting why I believe that $15/ hr is sufficient for low level workers such as fast-food workers.

Here is a legitimate and sincere question, how much do people think that fast-food workers and similar workers should be paid. And do not just say a "livable wage." Because a livable wage is arbitrary and not quantitative.
That's.... kind of a shit argument then homie.
 
I can personally attest to this. I've bowed out last month and promised myself that I'll NEVER work in another kitchen again or have any dealings with da culinary field unless on some Anthony Bourdain shit, personal chef services or meal prep. Da culinary field is in shambles, especially. For years, folks were told if you don't like it, go find a gig somewhere else & that's exactly what many did. Now they bitchin' about not being able to find employees. But what they won't tell you is they overwork their employees, treat 'em like shit, allow da patrons to treat 'em like shit and pay in peanuts for many. Most kitchens maintain a perpetual culture of toxicity (these peckerwoods think being exploited makes 'em tough), being overworked & stress levels through da roof on top of pandemic woes. @killagram assisted me with da steps for my career change ambitions and they'll be coming to fruition shortly.
You can apply what you're saying to the wireless industry too.

We've had people in mass either quit or go out on leave.

It got to the point where they raised the starting pay for certain departments and they're begging people that quit to come back.

"Just be happy to have a job" used to be the mantra now they're kicking themselves.

Teaching industry as well.
 
I personally think it was easier to make money 20 yrs ago on the internet due to there being less competition and saturation

Internet, social media, tech, networking, knowledge on more subjects such as stocks , more options in the job marketing , more ways to make money off your capabilities as self employed person… it’s way more ways to make money these days than it was 40+ yrs ago hell even 20 yrs ago.. hell you keep talking about stem what was stem 40 yrs ago?.. you see even you pushing a newer way to make money that didn’t exist or had lil impact yesteryear.. this is what shorty means… the game plan of 2021 is diff than the game plan of 1981
 
I personally think it was easier to make money 20 yrs ago on the internet due to there being less competition and saturation
No YouTube, No ig, no Twitter, no pornhub, no onlyfans, no Facebook, more than 80 percent of people had no cellphones and internet access was rare and let’s not even go into how slow internet was

That’s literally over a billion plus people due to those outlets you could network or make money off of that didn’t exist
 
This.

Also people be lying to themselves with the “these jobs are supposed to be for young people with no education or experience”

what successful business can survive with a workforce that can only work 20 hrs a week max and only available after school hours?

When you roll up to grab your morning coffee, you really expecting a 17 year old in high school to be making your coffee at 7am?
College students? Retired people? Second job?
the point is, if your expecting those kinda jobs to be able to survive long term as an adult, your fucked.
 
Man this shit is also fucking with white people pretty hard in New York they were showing a 4 bed room condo where 12 people lived and two of them live in a damn closet of the condo….that’s the bullshit I want to avoid. This is why I can never stay in New York nor LA because of the price of rent and housing.
White people do stupid shit like this to live in certain neighborhoods.
You know what a 4 bedroom cost to rent in NY?????? Shit i cant even remember the last time i seen a 3 bedroom anything in NY. Much less a 4
 
White people do stupid shit like this to live in certain neighborhoods.
You know what a 4 bedroom cost to rent in NY?????? Shit i cant even remember the last time i seen a 3 bedroom anything in NY. Much less a 4
During the pandemic this was available.. I know exactly what apt that is


 
College students? Retired people? Second job?
the point is, if your expecting those kinda jobs to be able to survive long term as an adult, your fucked.

The point is there should be no job in America where a person works full time hours and is unable to "survive long term".

A college student still has bills, health care co-pays, a gas tank and a stomach like every other person.

There was a time when anybody that worked any full time job was a respectable member of society, now people look down at the person who is pumping their gas.

I guarantee there are brothers on this board who have one or both parents that can barely read or do more than basic arithmetic, who worked a job that we would now called unskilled. But their jobs were able to provide enough to "survive long term", put a roof over their heads and food on the table. The minimum wage use to be enough for people to live, not just survive.
 
I guarantee there are brothers on this board who have one or both parents that can barely read or do more than basic arithmetic, who worked a job that we would now called unskilled. But their jobs were able to provide enough to "survive long term", put a roof over their heads and food on the table. The minimum wage use to be enough for people to live, not just survive.
This is not completely true. Most of our black parents worked more than one job. Additionally, both parents worked, especially if they both earned minimum wage. They were able to sustain because of multiple factors.
  • Group economics: pooling their money together. (Mom and dad)
  • Strict budgeting: Not buying luxury items. Many of us had shoes that were sold with a plastic string hanging on a hook with no shoe box.
  • Living within our means: There was a time when kids shared rooms. Houses and homes were much smaller. We kept cars much longer to avoid car payments. We never ate out, except special occasions. We wore hand me downs and second hand clothing.
Most of us are not willing to do what our parents and grandparents did to make ends meet. Many want a comfortable lifestyle without the work.
The point is there should be no job in America where a person works full time hours and is unable to "survive long term".
Why? Some jobs are less significant and command a less significant salary. By your statement and logic, the guy spinning the tax arrow should be able to buy a house from his or her job? The greeter at Walmart should be able to retire from their salarly?
 
The point is there should be no job in America where a person works full time hours and is unable to "survive long term".

A college student still has bills, health care co-pays, a gas tank and a stomach like every other person.

There was a time when anybody that worked any full time job was a respectable member of society, now people look down at the person who is pumping their gas.

I guarantee there are brothers on this board who have one or both parents that can barely read or do more than basic arithmetic, who worked a job that we would now called unskilled. But their jobs were able to provide enough to "survive long term", put a roof over their heads and food on the table. The minimum wage use to be enough for people to live, not just survive.
I honestly dont recall those times
 
This is not completely true. Most of our black parents worked more than one job. Additionally, both parents worked, especially if they both earned minimum wage. They were able to sustain because of multiple factors.
  • Group economics: pooling their money together. (Mom and dad)
  • Strict budgeting: Not buying luxury items. Many of us had shoes that were sold with a plastic string hanging on a hook with no shoe box.
  • Living within our means: There was a time when kids shared rooms. Houses and homes were much smaller. We kept cars much longer to avoid car payments. We never ate out, except special occasions. We wore hand me downs and second hand clothing.
Most of us are not willing to do what our parents and grandparents did to make ends meet. Many want a comfortable lifestyle without the work.

Why? Some jobs are less significant and command a less significant salary. By your statement and logic, the guy spinning the tax arrow should be able to buy a house from his or her job? The greeter at Walmart should be able to retire from their salarly?

How can we look at someone willing to do jobs many are not willing to do and say they do not to work. The person working 80 hours a week isn't looking to be comfortable, they are looking to live

Once again, why is the minimum wage called the minimum if it does not afford the minimum. You jumped to buy a house, I say afford rent for a studio apartment.

Walmart invented the Walmart greeter. Yes, if they had someone fill out a W-4, then that job should afford one the minimum required to live. And yes, I believe Walmart should be matching 401k. Even for a greeter, a position they created. Nobody is forcing Walmart to hire greeters.
 
My wife and I just got back from a fundraiser for the regional homeless shelter/ organization. It was disheartening to hear the numbers regarding the number of people effected by COVID. There are many on this board who believe that $15/hr isn't nothing. I whole-heartedly disagree. It's all about perspective. A homeless person who is unemployed would be overjoyed to receive $15/hr.

Many of are blessed. We cannot become so detached from reality and the rest of society that our ability to empathize with the less fortunate impacts our logic and reasoning.
@Amajorfucup my fault I also forgot he’s regional director of the homeless shelter
 
Average United States Postal Service Mail Sorter yearly pay in the United States is approximately $33,664 which is $16.20. This is the average. In most places, it is less, but some places more. But, to your point, I think working for USPS is a great job because of the benefits.


So what is the solution? What have I said that was outdated? Learning a valuable skill is outdated? Getting married is outdated? Going to school for a STEM degree is outdated? Buying a starter home and working your way up is outdated? Working more than one job is outdated?

If a kid can't change an alternator, install wire dimmers, or do other handyman jobs. that is poor parenting. Not my fault or society's fault.

With all due respect, you are complaining that you are barely able to swap out the air suspension or air compressor on your $70,000 BMW?

Earning $15/ hr is a blessing. I know people who earn much less.
:lol: you just asked the question that 95% of nBGOL has no clue of the answer but will use their “phone a friend” option to ask the so-called white for guidance.
 
 
This nigga must got 48 hours in his day to hold down that many jobs and titles... .. Amazing..
And all tasks assignments and duties are completed on/before Tuesday.
I just saw this. I have the same 24 hours as everyone else. How I use my time is what differs between you and I. I get up around 4:30 everyday without an alarm. I'm in the gym by 5 and back home by 6:15 to shower and get myself and my boys ready for work and school. By this time, I have worked out, checked my email and replied, set up my stock option plays for the day, checked news, checked bgol, showered, trimmed beard,, brushed teeth, got dressed, and pulled food out the freezer for dinner, all before 7:30am. All of you have more time available than you realize. I had a mentor make me schedule out my entire 24 hours. Do this and you will see where you waste too much time. Also, you will see where you could be multi-tasking.

Also, I'm not sure why people think that attending a fund raiser is such a big deal. There are fundraisers taking place everywhere everyday. Just find one and go. On some real ish, fundraisers are excellent networking opportunities.
 

157,000 new jobs in September get Canada's economy back above pre-pandemic level
OCTOBER 08, 2021

A September surge in hiring has brought Canada's job numbers back to pre-pandemic levels. But many are still being left behind, even as the job market expands. 1:55

Canada's economy added 157,000 new jobs last month, Statistics Canada says, enough to put employment numbers back above where they were before the pandemic started.

The jobs surge was more than twice as big as the 60,000 new jobs that economists were expecting.

It was also enough to push the jobless rate down two ticks to 6.9 per cent. That's the lowest unemployment rate since the pandemic started.

Before the pandemic, Canada's jobless rate was 5.6 per cent. It jumped up sharply in March, April and May of 2020, peaking at 13.7 per cent in May of last year, and has trended downward ever since.
Canada's economy has finally replaced the jobs it lost to the pandemic, new numbers from Statistics Canada on Friday suggest. (Samantha Nar/CBC)
While there are now the same number of jobs as there were before COVID-19 arrived in Canada, that doesn't necessarily mean people are working as much as they were before.

The number of people working less than half the hours they would normally do is still 218,000 people higher than were doing so in February 2020. And the total number of hours worked by all employees is still 1.5 per cent below the pre-pandemic level, despite there being more jobs now.

Employment for women was a source of particular strength for the month, with 154,000 of the new jobs going to women. That means female employment has returned to its pre-COVID level, but there are still more than 100,000 fewer men with a full time job now than there were before. That's been somewhat offset, however, by an increase in part-time work among men.

Women bore the brunt of the pandemic job losses, prompting some watchers to dub the downturn a she-cession.

Aaliyah Beckford is one of millions of Canadian women who lost their job in the pandemic who has now managed to find work again.

The 23-year-old from Brampton, Ont., was working in retail when she was laid off in the early days of COVID-19. She said it was initially jarring but that she made the best of it by using her down time to pursue her dream of becoming a coder.

"It was the push I needed," she told CBC News in an interview. "It was disappointing at first, but it was also very motivating at the same time."

WATCH | Aaliyah Beckford says getting laid off was the jolt her career needed:

After completing a boot camp at a local school to learn new computer programming languages, she managed to land a job this summer

"I always knew, while working in retail, even before the pandemic, that it's not what I wanted to do forever. So I just told myself, you're not going to be a lawyer, but you're going to be a really cool software developer."
But long-term joblessness persists

Things worked out fine for Beckford and everyone else who found a job after losing one in the pandemic, but that doesn't mean that some job seekers aren't being left behind — even as the job market expands.

The number of people considered to be long-term unemployed — which means they haven't had a job for at least 27 weeks in a row, or about six months — is now twice was it was before the pandemic, at 389,000 people. That 's more than a quarter of everyone without a job.

Leah Nord with the Canadian Chamber of Commerce says that's a bad sign.

"It's important to celebrate the encouraging gains we are seeing in employment numbers over the past month, yet we also cannot afford to sweep under the rug those numbers," she said. "In the midst of a mass labour shortage, 27.3 per cent of unemployed Canadians are unaccounted for. Where did they go?"

"Canadians want to work; most are not unemployed by choice, so we need to dig down and find out exactly what's holding them back so we can make evidence-based decisions. Our full economic recovery depends on it."

Economist Sri Thanabalasingam with TD Bank agrees that long-term unemployment is concerning, but he's not ringing alarm bells just yet.

The glut of people having trouble getting back into the workforce "could be reflecting the difficulties faced by long-term unemployed Canadians in finding new jobs, perhaps due to a deterioration of skill sets," he said.

"That said, ongoing income support programs, such as the Canada recovery benefit, may also be a contributing factor. This program, among others, is expiring at the end of the month, which could lead to more people rejoining the workforce in October, that is, unless it is extended."
 
I just saw this. I have the same 24 hours as everyone else. How I use my time is what differs between you and I. I get up around 4:30 everyday without an alarm. I'm in the gym by 5 and back home by 6:15 to shower and get myself and my boys ready for work and school. By this time, I have worked out, checked my email and replied, set up my stock option plays for the day, checked news, checked bgol, showered, trimmed beard,, brushed teeth, got dressed, and pulled food out the freezer for dinner, all before 7:30am. All of you have more time available than you realize. I had a mentor make me schedule out my entire 24 hours. Do this and you will see where you waste too much time. Also, you will see where you could be multi-tasking.

Also, I'm not sure why people think that attending a fund raiser is such a big deal. There are fundraisers taking place everywhere everyday. Just find one and go. On some real ish, fundraisers are excellent networking opportunities.
Bro

tell us your afternoon and evening schedule.

we have all of the shit u say u do on file
 
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