They ended unemployment especially in the red States and yet….

These fools thought it was all about stopping those extra benefits and people would come running back and begging to work the GOP is finding out that wasn't the case. A lot of people found way better paying jobs started small at home businesses and others took the extra benefits and went to trade schools/online courses. These MFs are mad no one wants to come back to those slave wage jobs like the good old days. My god son and his friends got laid off so him and his friends took their unemployment benefits and used them to get his CDL Class A License. The people that are hurting are the Cac MAGA who are still blaming immigrants for taking jobs these MFs won't even do causes they don't want to learn a new skill or are still waiting for coal to come back :smh:
 
It's obvious that some on BGOL are not fully plugged into the "real" world or the corporate world that a tally makes the decisions.

Businesses ALWAYS adjust to the climate. When unions got too greedy what happened? Jobs were outsourced a d automated. When call centers became difficult to staff what happened? Jobs were outsourced and automated. Most McDonald's have eliminated most front counter ordering in favor of in lobby kiosk. Some eliminated all lobby service due to Covid and have no plans on reopening.

What the public doesn't see:

Some hospital specialties are being computer automated such as radiology.

Schools are importing teachers to combat shortage.

Asian countries are already implementing FULL service fast food vending machines using people only to refill the machines.

EVERY plant manufacturing sector has shrunk its work force and has increased automation and robot use.

Online ordering has increased by 33% since Covid which has negatively effected in person sales at most retailers. Go to Walmart and see only two cashiers.

Lastly, people incorrectly state that "$15/hr ain't ish!" Let's break it down. $15/hr is $31,200/ yr. If a couple both work these "low paying" will be a household earning $62,400/ yr. The median household income in the US is $67K. This is a 9% difference. If this couple earned $1.25 more they would be at the median. Or, just imagine if a person decided to work two jobs??

We have become a country of lazy and entitled underachievers who make poor financial decisions. Black folk are capable of so much more. We have to get back to the mentality of doing whatever it takes.

From CNBC

EXECUTIVE COMPENSATION
CEOs see pay grow 1,000% in the last 40 years, now make 278 times the average worker
PUBLISHED FRI, AUG 16 2019 12:27 PM EDTUPDATED FRI, AUG 16 2019 1:47 PM EDT

Jeff Cox
@JEFFCOXCNBCCOM@JEFF.COX.7528

Those damn lazy, underachieving, greedy workers forced the CEOs to outsource those jobs and THEN made those bosses increase their salaries disproportionately...


 
I don't really understand how what I said went over your heads. I'm talking about my son working while at home with me between now and going to college. I'm talking about him getting a job where he can learn how to take pride in his work, in his uniform, and learn how to deal with people.

He also needs to learn that the more he wants in life the more it will require from him. Higher paying jobs require self-investment or education and/or training and more often than not come with more responsibility.

So what I keep hearing you and others say is there should not be a pay difference between jobs that require nothing but you to show up and no experience no training and require no responsibility or accountability and those that do? What do you think compels most people to push themselves to get skills training or education? Not making enough money makes folks do more or settle for this is enough.

If a teacher wants to make more money they get their Master's, if they still want more they go get their Doctorate.
If an IT person wants to make more money they get more Certs or learn a new skill.
Do you think folks working in Plants and Mines choose those jobs because they love it? Not because they want more money to take care of their families. But too many people want the money but don't want to put forward any effort and I am not about relieving them of the consequences of those choices.

Nah nothing went over my head
And you certainly didn't specify that he'd be at home
You adding other stuff after the fact.

And there should be a difference between jobs and pay
You're not addressing the fact that everything is going up in prices but the wages for the jobs

So

Rent goes up
Food goes up
Everything goes up
Wages stay the same

Just do better?
Ok and in the mean time while you're trying to do better get on welfare correct?
Because that's what people will have to do to survive
But then it'll be they're leeching

Nah they're not
It may sound radical but the entire point of the government is to take care of its people.

Imagine that?
You're supposed to take care of us and give us a great quality of life

That's what they're tasked with doing

But they skated on it for so long that this boot straps shit is all we hear
 
Nah nothing went over my head
And you certainly didn't specify that he'd be at home
You adding other stuff after the fact.

And there should be a difference between jobs and pay
You're not addressing the fact that everything is going up in prices but the wages for the jobs

So

Rent goes up
Food goes up
Everything goes up
Wages stay the same

Just do better?
Ok and in the mean time while you're trying to do better get on welfare correct?
Because that's what people will have to do to survive
But then it'll be they're leeching

Nah they're not
It may sound radical but the entire point of the government is to take care of its people.

Imagine that?
You're supposed to take care of us and give us a great quality of life

That's what they're tasked with doing

But they skated on it for so long that this boot straps shit is all we hear
Man this shit is also fucking with white people pretty hard in New York they were showing a 4 bed room condo where 12 people lived and two of them live in a damn closet of the condo….that’s the bullshit I want to avoid. This is why I can never stay in New York nor LA because of the price of rent and housing.
 
Man this shit is also fucking with white people pretty hard in New York they were showing a 4 bed room condo where 12 people lived and two of them live in a damn closet of the condo….that’s the bullshit I want to avoid. This is why I can never stay in New York nor LA because of the price of rent and housing.

But just figure it out is what people here are saying

Work hard yes
Have growth yes
How can you do either if you can't even survive through no fault of your own?
 
Nah nothing went over my head
And you certainly didn't specify that he'd be at home
You adding other stuff after the fact.

And there should be a difference between jobs and pay
You're not addressing the fact that everything is going up in prices but the wages for the jobs

So

Rent goes up
Food goes up
Everything goes up
Wages stay the same

Just do better?
Ok and in the mean time while you're trying to do better get on welfare correct?
Because that's what people will have to do to survive
But then it'll be they're leeching

Nah they're not
It may sound radical but the entire point of the government is to take care of its people.

Imagine that?
You're supposed to take care of us and give us a great quality of life

That's what they're tasked with doing

But they skated on it for so long that this boot straps shit is all we hear
As much as I hate going back and forth
But when my son, who is 13, goes and gets his first job to get some movie money or save up to take a girl out he doesn't need to make $50,000.

You thought when I said save up some movie money or take a girl out meant "after graduation" and once he leaves the house? Once he leaves the house he needs to be saving to buy a house and for his future not movie and date money. I'm specifically talking about young kids and as I said introduction to the workforce.

When I worked at Shoney's at 14 and made $3.15 an hour I knew I couldn't survive on that or when I worked at a cardboard place for $5 when I was 17 I knew I couldn't have the lifestyle I wanted making that kind of money and did something about it.

One of my favorite quotes is " Don't wish it was easier wish you were better!"
 
As much as I hate going back and forth

You thought when I said save up some movie money or take a girl out meant "after graduation" and once he leaves the house? Once he leaves the house he needs to be saving to buy a house and for his future not movie and date money. I'm specifically talking about young kids and as I said introduction to the workforce.

When I worked at Shoney's at 14 and made $3.15 an hour I knew I couldn't survive on that or when I worked at a cardboard place for $5 when I was 17 I knew I couldn't have the lifestyle I wanted making that kind of money and did something about it.

One of my favorite quotes is " Don't wish it was easier wish you were better!"
There’s also work smarter not harder.. thanks to advancement , options, and ability to search your son shouldn’t have to find some low paying job where he putting mad energy into getting crumbs.. he should find something that fits him and pays decent or use his capabilities and fig out how to generate money on his own.. time to throw away those ancient concepts and start using the brain more to better navigate this system ..especially a system that aims at giving out crumbs to workers while making even bigger cakes for big biz
 
But just figure it out is what people here are saying

Work hard yes
Have growth yes
How can you do either if you can't even survive through no fault of your own?
Man, folks don't understand the game. Yes, people should strive to do better, but at the same fucking time realize the game is fucking rigged. Purchasing power has been going down the drain for decades. Saving account interest was about 10 percent in the boomer heyday of the 80s. Now Chase will give you .05 percent. But hey, just 'do better"

Government cooking the books with CPI(fake UE numbers too), meanwhile real inflation been over 10 fucking percent. But hey, 'do better"

Folks who make it ain't even making it. Both people working to afford that mcmansion and one vacation a year with hopes to retire at 65. Used to be one person worked and no childcare costs. And folks used to be able to live in the suburbs WITHOUT credit cards.

We are going to have a generation priced out of the biggest american hustle of home ownership. Won't even be able to sell the dream of a liability being a person's greatest asset, but still folks are told 'just do better'.

Game is rigged. Folks who don't play it like the rich are doomed to suffer until they hop in the box. And what's worse, older generations don't realize the diminishing returns. So they hold their kids to the same standards not realizing purchasing power getting smashed.
 
Yeah $15 an hour aint shit these days when the (((average))) rent is about $1100 a month.
I have respectfully disagree with you on this. If we are going to have this conversation we have to continue to compare apples to apples.

A $15/hr job is not an average job. It's a low paying job. The median salary in 2021 is $51K. Which is more than enough to pay for what you provided, an average cost of rent of $1100.

The problem is, people want to live an "average" lifestyle, but don't earn average money. Your lifestyle is dictated by your earnings. There will always "poor" people. There will always be a workforce. Unless you own the company, businesses will pay CEOs whatever they want, particularly if they are increasing profits.

The sad thing is, all the people complaining about $15/ hr are 100% capable of improving their situations.

The roadblock is themselves. Are they willing to do what is needed and necessary to improve their lives?
 
I have respectfully disagree with you on this. If we are going to have this conversation we have to continue to compare apples to apples.

A $15/hr job is not an average job. It's a low paying job. The median salary in 2021 is $51K. Which is more than enough to pay for what you provided, an average cost of rent of $1100.

The problem is, people want to live an "average" lifestyle, but don't earn average money. Your lifestyle is dictated by your earnings. There will always "poor" people. There will always be a workforce. Unless you own the company, businesses will pay CEOs whatever they want, particularly if they are increasing profits.

The sad thing is, all the people complaining about $15/ hr are 100% capable of improving their situations.

The roadblock is themselves. Are they willing to do what is needed and necessary to improve their lives?
I never said 15 an hour is an average job. I said 15 dollars an hour aint shit considering the average rent is $1100 a month.
 
As much as I hate going back and forth

You thought when I said save up some movie money or take a girl out meant "after graduation" and once he leaves the house? Once he leaves the house he needs to be saving to buy a house and for his future not movie and date money. I'm specifically talking about young kids and as I said introduction to the workforce.

When I worked at Shoney's at 14 and made $3.15 an hour I knew I couldn't survive on that or when I worked at a cardboard place for $5 when I was 17 I knew I couldn't have the lifestyle I wanted making that kind of money and did something about it.

One of my favorite quotes is " Don't wish it was easier wish you were better!"

You keep doing the boot straps thing
There are no boot straps and it don't work out for everyone no matter how hard they work and especially if they're non white.

Those people count too. Cream could naturally rise to the top without copious amounts of fuck shit

You're talking to someone who switched careers in the pandemic and now making triple of what I made before it.

And I was in the finance sector.

And yet I recognize it wasn't magic and simply wanting better
 
What people fail to understand is that the Micky D jobs used to be mostly for teenagers. Yet because good paying low skilled jobs were cut and outsourced.
Such service jobs became places where adults now seek employment.

Warehousing, manufacturing, etc.....jobs that paid good and brought people into the "middle class" were shipped to China. Now we are a country of cheap goods but make almost nothing.

Yeah $15 an hour aint shit these days when the (((average))) rent is about $1100 a month.

Once again, this is BS. One of my first jobs was at a big retail chain. Just like the rest of the people in high school. I worked after school and weekends. Replace McDonald’s with Walmart, Foot locker, Old Navy, Popeyes. The mall opens at 9am. You were not finding a mall filled with 17 year olds folding clothes and prepping mall cafeteria food in the middle of October. Reality is, the majority of those jobs were/are filled with people in the 20’s and 30’s.

On the real, if you went to go get gas at your local gas station and no matter what time you went there was a 16-17 year old there ringing you up, you wouldn’t be concerned?
 
It's obvious that some on BGOL are not fully plugged into the "real" world or the corporate world that a tally makes the decisions.

Businesses ALWAYS adjust to the climate. When unions got too greedy what happened? Jobs were outsourced a d automated. When call centers became difficult to staff what happened? Jobs were outsourced and automated. Most McDonald's have eliminated most front counter ordering in favor of in lobby kiosk. Some eliminated all lobby service due to Covid and have no plans on reopening.

What the public doesn't see:

Some hospital specialties are being computer automated such as radiology.

Schools are importing teachers to combat shortage.

Asian countries are already implementing FULL service fast food vending machines using people only to refill the machines.

EVERY plant manufacturing sector has shrunk its work force and has increased automation and robot use.

Online ordering has increased by 33% since Covid which has negatively effected in person sales at most retailers. Go to Walmart and see only two cashiers.

Lastly, people incorrectly state that "$15/hr ain't ish!" Let's break it down. $15/hr is $31,200/ yr. If a couple both work these "low paying" will be a household earning $62,400/ yr. The median household income in the US is $67K. This is a 9% difference. If this couple earned $1.25 more they would be at the median. Or, just imagine if a person decided to work two jobs??

We have become a country of lazy and entitled underachievers who make poor financial decisions. Black folk are capable of so much more. We have to get back to the mentality of doing whatever it takes.

Not to mention that employees fail to understand that they’re actually getting paid $31,200 but their government is screwing them over with double taxation and screwing us with company taxation. A $500 paycheck actually cost me about $600 per employee. On average, my employees were making $550 per week. You can’t live off that? You need to reevaluate your priorities or get a roommate. I run a payroll, I have to pay taxes and the employees have to pay taxes too.
The hilarious part is that the government then turns around and tax you again at POS transactions and through other venues.
$31,200 is basically $23,000 and some change and when you take away POS and other auxiliary taxes, you end up with $20,000 at best.
People want employers to PAY MORE but fail to see their government constantly screwing them over. I love it when people complain about Jeff Bezos, saying Amazon should be paying their employees more for UNSKILLED LABOR. You can get a drunkard off the street to do that job. Their excuse is that the cost of living is too high like it’s the company’s fault you have to pay so much in taxes and your government refuse to control the market.
 
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These fools thought it was all about stopping those extra benefits and people would come running back and begging to work the GOP is finding out that wasn't the case. A lot of people found way better paying jobs started small at home businesses and others took the extra benefits and went to trade schools/online courses. These MFs are mad no one wants to come back to those slave wage jobs like the good old days. My god son and his friends got laid off so him and his friends took their unemployment benefits and used them to get his CDL Class A License. The people that are hurting are the Cac MAGA who are still blaming immigrants for taking jobs these MFs won't even do causes they don't want to learn a new skill or are still waiting for coal to come back :smh:

I see so many people “stuntin” with their government checks. Obviously the government gave them so much that they were able to save a good amount.
The vast majority of Americans buy things they don’t need and will use all that money by Christmas. They’ll be out looking for a job again soon. Give it 3 months lol.
 
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I see so many people “stuntin” with their government checks. Obviously the gouvernement gave them so much that they were able to save a good amount.
The vast majority of Americans buy things they don’t need and will use all that money by Christmas. They’ll be out looking for a job again soon. Give it 3 months lol.
30 day tags at a all time high here
 
Too many entitled folks out there that don't want to work hard and don't want to make the necessary self-investment to get better jobs. There are plenty of folks busting their asses for $20 an hour.

I guarantee you when the stimmy money, tax refund money, rent moratorium, and unemployment run out they'll be stepping over each other to get the jobs they're thumbing their noses at.

Folks want to make $50 60 thousand dollars a year with zero experience or education.


Preach!!!!
 
I never said 15 an hour is an average job. I said 15 dollars an hour aint shit considering the average rent is $1100 a month.
I didn't say that you did, my brother. What I said was a person earning $15/hr should not be expecting to live in housing that is for the average earning population.

Additionally, that $1100/ mo average is skewed due to places like NY and Cali. There are thousands of cities in the US where a person can rent an apartment for much less than $1000.00. I would even add that for $1100, I could find anyone on this board a decent 2 or 3 bedroom home to buy in which your mortgage would be approximately $1100 in any state (NY and California excluded).
 
I didn't say that you did, my brother. What I said was a person earning $15/hr should not be expecting to live in housing that is for the average earning population.

Additionally, that $1100/ mo average is skewed due to places like NY and Cali. There are thousands of cities in the US where a person can rent an apartment for much less than $1000.00. I would even add that for $1100, I could find anyone on this board a decent 2 or 3 bedroom home to buy in which your mortgage would be approximately $1100 in any state (NY and California excluded).
The point I made was not about people making $15 an hour expecting anything.
My point is some people think $15 an hour is a lot of money when it is not.

You yourself stated $15 an hour isn't a lot of money. So I don't understand your disagreement. You seem to be arguing against a point
I did not make.

Btw I just took a look at the average rent in the poorest state in the country (aka Mississippi) and it's $1150.
 
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Let the people speak, jobs that don’t want to pay decent wages needs to go out of business anyway. It’s another tool for white supremacy anyway, keep parents working two jobs while the kids run the streets getting hymned up by 12
A nation of low intelligence workers is a nation of cheap labor.

And then corporations will import whoever fills in the margins.
 
100k aint shit. look at the skillset and hours worked. look at the COL. making the same amount u are.
100K is the new 50k
never felt so poor in my life.
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BGOL Millionaire Land, where 100K ........ even $31K ain't shit.
 
The point I made was not about people making $15 an hour expecting anything.
My point is some people think $15 an hour is a lot of money when it is not.

You yourself stated $15 an hour isn't a lot of money. So I don't understand your disagreement. You seem to be arguing against a point
I did not make.

Btw I just took a look at the average rent in the poorest state in the country (aka Mississippi) and it's $1150.
If anyone is paying over $1000 in rent is doing it wrong. Over $1000 is a mortgage for a $150K home.

Real averages in Mississippi. I work with realtors closely and these are the numbers they have.

2021 Average Fair Market Rent Prices in Mississippi:
0-BR1-BR2-BR3-BR4-BR
$553$590$727$941$1,073
$425 for a two bedroom:

 
100k aint shit. look at the skillset and hours worked. look at the COL. making the same amount u are.
100K is the new 50k
never felt so poor in my life.
People haven't figured out that 100k is soon to be the new 50k. Up here, in low cost Ohio, price to live in the 'hood' went up 30 percent last year. :smh: It's easy to slow cook fools when you have everyone running around like :D 'Muh equity" Meanwhile, all that shit up. There really isn't a gain if it's their primary and not an investment property.

Duck donuts up here bumped price from around $14 per dozen to $24. Excuse? Have to pay workers more and supplies cost more. Portion sizes at other spots being downsized while price of the brick gone up. Whole foods tacking on a $10 delivery charge now. All that shit add up. But hey, nothing to see here. Grab your bootstraps.

If person made 100k in 2019 and 100k still, they lost a shitload of spending power unless they been investing in assets. Sadly, it's easy to trick people with nominal value. Elite have been doing it forever.
 
It’s not just higher pay workers want.

They want better and affordable health insurance, affordable childcare, pensions and safe work environments.

This pandemic got folks thinking. And a lot of folks have realized they don’t need these crappy jobs.

Yeah that’s why you get an education. A warehouse worker job or a job flipping burgers at McDonald’s is suppose to be a way to remind you that you fucked up.
You think you deserve all the things listed above while working at a below entry level job?
 
As I said before I like my job and I get paid pretty good but they did take away our pensions years ago so you have to pray to God that your 401K stays good when you reach retirement because you all seen what happened with with 401ks during housing crash years ago
 
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Yeah that’s why you get an education. A warehouse worker job or a job flipping burgers at McDonald’s is suppose to be a way to remind you that you fucked up.
You think you deserve all the things listed above while working at a below entry level job?

Not everybody is educational material.

Not everybody can sit in a classroom listening to somebody talk and talk.

It’s why you see some people work in offices/indoors and some folks outside in the environment. Or they get jobs that have them moving around indoors like in a warehouse or security guard.

I am one of those people. That’s why I drive a semi as a OTR driver.

Lots of folks don’t like being indoors. High paying jobs that require a education usually are indoor associated jobs.

I hated school and high school for me was like prison. After getting out the military I tried a office job and almost lost my damn mind being cooped up in there. I spent majority of the time staring at the clock.

Trade jobs (blue collar) like in construction, the railroad, etc appeal to a certain type of folks.

All these people working service sector/ warehouse work were the type of folks who gravitated toward factory work. All the factories shutdown and were exported overseas.
 
Not everybody is educational material.

Not everybody can sit in a classroom listening to somebody talk and talk.

It’s why you see some people work in offices/indoors and some folks outside in the environment. Or they get jobs that have them moving around indoors like in a warehouse or security guard.

I am one of those people. That’s why I drive a semi as a OTR driver.

Lots of folks don’t like being indoors. High paying jobs that require a education usually are indoor associated jobs.

I hated school and high school for me was like prison. After getting out the military I tried a office job and almost lost my damn mind being cooped up in there. I spent majority of the time staring at the clock.

Trade jobs (blue collar) like in construction, the railroad, etc appeal to a certain type of folks.

All these people working service sector/ warehouse work were the type of folks who gravitated toward factory work. All the factories shutdown and were exported overseas.
Let’s put it this way society wouldn’t be able to function without blue collard workers.. unless you grow your own crops and raising cattle/chickens/etc..your food comes from some type of store and it got there cause a truck driver.. unless you build your house/ apt yourself some construction worker built it.. you taking a shower or using a toilet wouldn’t happen without plumbers.. that electricity and gas you receive is thanks to them workers in that field.. garbage would be everywhere without sanitation.. so everyday life would not go on without those essential personal..so all that degree shit nigs talking , without them nigs that don’t have degrees life as we know it would look completely different and almost wouldn’t be livable
 
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