They ended unemployment especially in the red States and yet….
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The 2 most important things in bizz is the product and the consumer.. what famous was alluding to is these biz gonna need those workers as consumers.. no consumers no biz..so pushing automation kills jobs which kills possible consumers..a unemployed individual means no money to spend on any biz.. so the biz need people working so that they can spend
I think the corporations have given up on that idea as the workers being the consumer a long time ago..
Still a world economy though. U.S. is a service based economy buying shit that is made elsewhere. Big business is going to automate and be just fine. Do better than ever. Small businesses, franchisees, mom and pop landlords, etc about to feel it even more though.
Money still going to flow, just differently. There is no shortage of money. Just of matter of big business fighting as to where it is spent. IRS want in on the changing job landscape with that $600 reporting. They already know folks working different but will still consume like mad. They want their cut.
Remember, every tech leap has winners and losers. Automation is no different.
IRS wants that cash app money NOBODY is reporting. Lots of side hustles getting by and not having to report that bread.
Automation will be reducing the amount of people needed, but it will not make the need of people completely obsolete. People are going to have to learned how to adjust to that. No different than those folks that had to learn how to use a computer.
It still comes down to how many people are available to work vs how many jobs are available for those workers. On top of that there's people pushing to allow more and more people into this country.
The future looks bleak just like how they look in sci-fi movies.
Instead of actually taxing the rich correctly, they want to continue to screw the little people. If they taxed the rich & corporations at the right levels or close they'd close that gap they keep yapping about.
He is correct and one thing these corporations have to be careful with is a lot of baby boomers are getting out of the workforce quickly in other words they are retiring so to get more workers onto their payroll they have to sweeten the pot. Thank God (and I don’t take this for granted) that I have a job that I love doing every day and get a very decent pay although I wish they still had a pension system but nevertheless my 401(k) is doing very well.
There will be a reckoning coming years from now. When all of you bleeding hearts and enablers get what you what, $15-20 hr Mcdonald's cashiers and fry cooks, a sad day is coming.
All of the people who are today making $15-20 an hr working skilled jobs and jobs that require experience, and/or education and require more accountability and responsibility will rise up in a few years. It's a lot easier to replace unskilled labor with immigrants and throw bodies at the job with high turnover but what do you do when the other folks buck the system???
When Covid subsides and pay wages goes back to normal for Nursing and medical assistants and they are tending to patients and making as much as an 18yr old at Taco Bell then what?
Jobs that pay between $32-40,000:
Paralegals
Coders
LPN
Xray Techs
Teachers
Loads of Admin jobs
Customer Services
Call centers
Folks that work at the DMV
Meter maid
All of the people who are today making $15-20 an hr working skilled jobs and jobs that require experience, and/or education and require more accountability and responsibility will rise up in a few years. It's a lot easier to replace unskilled labor with immigrants and throw bodies at the job with high turnover but what do you do when the other folks buck the system???
When Covid subsides and pay wages goes back to normal for Nursing and medical assistants and they are tending to patients and making as much as an 18yr old at Taco Bell then what?
Jobs that pay between $32-40,000:
Paralegals
Coders
LPN
Xray Techs
Teachers
Loads of Admin jobs
Customer Services
Call centers
Folks that work at the DMV
Meter maid
See the problem with low paying jobs right now is you can’t afford anything hell even some middle-class jobs you are check to check depending on where you live it because things got so expensive. My rent went up $150 I could deal with it but a lot of people had bounce for my complex I noticed over the last few months. My Conclusion……there needs to be a livable income regardless on what job you do.
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My ex-girlfriend used to work part-time graveyards at Target. She threw out her back and had to take a week off work. By the time she came back two coworkers on her shift had come down with covid.
Worst part? They weren't even paying $20 an hour in San Franfuckingcisco.
Thankfully she quit and got a better job right before they cut their closing time from 10:00 p.m. to 6:00 p.m. if she had stayed, not only would she have literally risked her life she would have had her hours cut as well.
In other words, fuck target and fuck amazon. Never heard of wawa, but fuck them too. Karma is a bitch that don't forget your address.
About 5 years ago everybody swore up and down that flippy the robot was going to replace fry cooks. Most of the spots that had them are out of business now. Automation is a huge risk for businesses big and small.
The big businesses can afford the machines more easily, but in order to standardize their operations they need to buy them for every facility they have. Otherwise you have the added expense of training your workers to do the same task in two different ways, not to mention all the logistics involved.
I will continue to disagree with that. Some jobs are jobs and not careers. Probably is people are trying to turn starter jobs into life long careers.
Those jobs are "supposed" to be for young people just entering the workforce learning a work ethic and money responsibility. You also have those folks who are on disability or SSI that can't make over a certain amount of money and those folks who just need an extra couple hundred dollars a month to pay for school or save up for a house or a car.
But a concede that if you work for a company for over 2 or 3 years your pay and responsibility should increase together. But when my son, who is 13, goes and gets his first job to get some movie money or save up to take a girl out he doesn't need to make $50,000.
The reason people want more money is because things cost more and the wages aren't rising with it.
So no your son shouldn't be making $50k
but standard not rat hole living will require the $50k he not supposed to be making
then what?
Automation gets cheaper as technology improves. It's just first movers who pay more. Why get the robot lawnmower now? Not only does it cost a lot more, it's not as effective. Wait a few years. Prices goes down and effectiveness increases a great deal. When that price drop from 5k to 500, forget about it. Then, no more paying landscapers. Another job gone.
Automation is coming for the menial jobs and the 'thinking' jobs. How many people will smart contracts put out of work? Writing is on the wall.
That's why the rich investing in the companies behind the innovation while the masses lining up to buy the newest iPhones even though ain't shit wrong with the one they got.
Why do you think your son should be limited as far as his funds go? If your 13 yr son is capable of making a million dollars are you going to say no you should be limited to only making 20,000 a yr? Why put a cap on someone’s money making potential? Like I’ve said on here b4 my boy makes over 90,000+ a yr not including overtime to literally set tables and chairs at a hotel for their banquet.. he literally says most days he sits around doing shit collecting bread and when he actually has to work it literally takes 2 hrs or less (most times less than an hr ) to fix up the hall.. now if somebody could plug your son to a job like that at the age of 18 where he could probably start off making 30+ an hr doing the same exact thing are you gonna say that’s to much and say he should be limited to go get a job making 10-12 an hr?.. when did people start accepting caps and limited bread?..there’s people literally getting paid 6 figs a yr to sit in trucks and watch movie set equipment..yes their job is to sit in or outside a truck watching movie equipment and make sure nobody takes it or stuff go missing..those people make 6 figs a yr( what skill set does that fall under)..if people knew what kind of money be made for some basic ass jobs
People haven’t spent all the PPP, stimulus, employment and government money. Some families are getting payments for their children.
This is the reason people aren’t returning to work. Waiting till after December. I’m an employer and we’re basically not doing the work of 5 employees with 3. It takes several more days but, that’s what we need to do.
This is the reason people aren’t returning to work. Waiting till after December. I’m an employer and we’re basically not doing the work of 5 employees with 3. It takes several more days but, that’s what we need to do.
This.
Also people be lying to themselves with the “these jobs are supposed to be for young people with no education or experience”
what successful business can survive with a workforce that can only work 20 hrs a week max and only available after school hours?
When you roll up to grab your morning coffee, you really expecting a 17 year old in high school to be making your coffee at 7am?
No disrespect but its dumb as fuck to think that your 13 year old wont need $50k. The cost of living has nothing to do with how much the job pays and thats the problem. They have to be connected. The national minimum wage is still $7.25 because of stupid thinking like this.
It costs me $20 to fill up my lawn tractor...
Office workers sitting at home safely & making 100+K a yr, while the people that do the grind making $15 an hr in the plants & warehouses.
Office workers sitting at home safely & making 100+K a yr, while the people that do the grind making $15 an hr in the plants & warehouses.
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For some reason, people still hold onto the idea that $15 hr is alotta money. It was when I was a kid. Mid level managers of Fortune 500 cos. were making that.
Now, it should be the minimum wage.
When a Big Mac debuted in 68, it was 40..45 cents. Now it's $4.
Minimum wage was $1.60 then vs $7.25 now.
Big Mac can't ketchup
Yeah we've reached a point where people have truly realized how fucked up their jobs were and also realized they have power in sticking together.
Restaurant industry is fucked cause they had a culture of treating workers like shit AND Covid was killing them at a greater rate and they realized that it's just not worth it.
Some of the little things have opened people's eyes. Shit I've saved so much money and effort by my kids school lunch being free.
Restaurant industry is fucked cause they had a culture of treating workers like shit AND Covid was killing them at a greater rate and they realized that it's just not worth it.
Some of the little things have opened people's eyes. Shit I've saved so much money and effort by my kids school lunch being free.
I don't really understand how what I said went over your heads. I'm talking about my son working while at home with me between now and going to college. I'm talking about him getting a job where he can learn how to take pride in his work, in his uniform, and learn how to deal with people.
He also needs to learn that the more he wants in life the more it will require from him. Higher paying jobs require self-investment or education and/or training and more often than not come with more responsibility.
So what I keep hearing you and others say is there should not be a pay difference between jobs that require nothing but you to show up and no experience no training and require no responsibility or accountability and those that do? What do you think compels most people to push themselves to get skills training or education? Not making enough money makes folks do more or settle for this is enough.
If a teacher wants to make more money they get their Master's, if they still want more they go get their Doctorate.
If an IT person wants to make more money they get more Certs or learn a new skill.
Do you think folks working in Plants and Mines choose those jobs because they love it? Not because they want more money to take care of their families. But too many people want the money but don't want to put forward any effort and I am not about relieving them of the consequences of those choices.
He also needs to learn that the more he wants in life the more it will require from him. Higher paying jobs require self-investment or education and/or training and more often than not come with more responsibility.
So what I keep hearing you and others say is there should not be a pay difference between jobs that require nothing but you to show up and no experience no training and require no responsibility or accountability and those that do? What do you think compels most people to push themselves to get skills training or education? Not making enough money makes folks do more or settle for this is enough.
If a teacher wants to make more money they get their Master's, if they still want more they go get their Doctorate.
If an IT person wants to make more money they get more Certs or learn a new skill.
Do you think folks working in Plants and Mines choose those jobs because they love it? Not because they want more money to take care of their families. But too many people want the money but don't want to put forward any effort and I am not about relieving them of the consequences of those choices.
"So what I keep hearing you and others say is there should not be a pay difference between jobs that require nothing but you to show up and no experience no training and require no responsibility or accountability and those that do?"
Not to speak for anyone else, but I don't think that's what the argument is at all.
What I'm saying is the scale is all screwed up.
Those people with skilled jobs need to be paid more also! Much more.
$15 min wage..and that's not a liveable wage for alotta adults.
Skilled labor, professionals need to be in the $50k-ish and up bracket...and that's on the low end.
It used to be that way, but companies found they could reduce wages.
I dont expect companies to pay mufuckas $100k a year to stack boxes.
More robots are coming anyway. Working for free 24hrs a day.
We are in somewhat of agreement. I just believe we should start with the lower middle class first. Graduating from College owing 50k in student loans but only making $35,000 is shameful. There should be minimum pay for jobs that "require" a degree.
It's kinda hard to set scales in a free market, but totally agree that you shouldn't be making 35k after graduation, in alotta jobs.
But there are no absolutes.
If it was just kids making min wage, I'd agree more, but there is a large segment making the minimum or just over it. Their situation is more dire. And those people ARE the lower middle class.
It's simple economics. Our wages need to better reflect the price of things.
For some reason, people still hold onto the idea that $15 hr is alotta money. It was when I was a kid. Mid level managers of Fortune 500 cos. were making that.
Now, it should be the minimum wage.
When a Big Mac debuted in 68, it was 40..45 cents. Now it's $4.
Minimum wage was $1.60 then vs $7.25 now.
Big Mac can't ketchup
It's obvious that some on BGOL are not fully plugged into the "real" world or the corporate world that a tally makes the decisions.
Businesses ALWAYS adjust to the climate. When unions got too greedy what happened? Jobs were outsourced a d automated. When call centers became difficult to staff what happened? Jobs were outsourced and automated. Most McDonald's have eliminated most front counter ordering in favor of in lobby kiosk. Some eliminated all lobby service due to Covid and have no plans on reopening.
What the public doesn't see:
Some hospital specialties are being computer automated such as radiology.
Schools are importing teachers to combat shortage.
Asian countries are already implementing FULL service fast food vending machines using people only to refill the machines.
EVERY plant manufacturing sector has shrunk its work force and has increased automation and robot use.
Online ordering has increased by 33% since Covid which has negatively effected in person sales at most retailers. Go to Walmart and see only two cashiers.
Lastly, people incorrectly state that "$15/hr ain't ish!" Let's break it down. $15/hr is $31,200/ yr. If a couple both work these "low paying" will be a household earning $62,400/ yr. The median household income in the US is $67K. This is a 9% difference. If this couple earned $1.25 more they would be at the median. Or, just imagine if a person decided to work two jobs??
We have become a country of lazy and entitled underachievers who make poor financial decisions. Black folk are capable of so much more. We have to get back to the mentality of doing whatever it takes.
Automation gets cheaper as technology improves. It's just first movers who pay more. Why get the robot lawnmower now? Not only does it cost a lot more, it's not as effective. Wait a few years. Prices goes down and effectiveness increases a great deal. When that price drop from 5k to 500, forget about it. Then, no more paying landscapers. Another job gone.
Automation is coming for the menial jobs and the 'thinking' jobs. How many people will smart contracts put out of work? Writing is on the wall.
That's why the rich investing in the companies behind the innovation while the masses lining up to buy the newest iPhones even though ain't shit wrong with the one they got.
The difference with your robot lawn mower is that it's aimed at consumers. The early adopters who get it do it in part because it's a shiny new status symbol. They are the ones keeping that product alive while the developers make them cheaper and better.
On the other hand, workplace automation has to make profit from the prototype onward or it's useless. It's gotten to the point where a lot of developers end up starting their own company just to provide proof of concept. That's why Square technologies started Caviar.
Also, I've been hearing these fears about automation since I was a child. Before that there was a Twilight Zone episode talking about this issue. There may be a tipping point down the road, but we're nowhere near that yet.
What people fail to understand is that the Micky D jobs used to be mostly for teenagers. Yet because good paying low skilled jobs were cut and outsourced.For some reason, people still hold onto the idea that $15 hr is alotta money. It was when I was a kid. Mid level managers of Fortune 500 cos. were making that.
Now, it should be the minimum wage.
When a Big Mac debuted in 68, it was 40..45 cents. Now it's $4.
Minimum wage was $1.60 then vs $7.25 now.
Big Mac can't ketchup
Such service jobs became places where adults now seek employment.
Warehousing, manufacturing, etc.....jobs that paid good and brought people into the "middle class" were shipped to China. Now we are a country of cheap goods but make almost nothing.
Yeah $15 an hour aint shit these days when the (((average))) rent is about $1100 a month.
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