HBO's True Detective Premiers tonight
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There were a lot of "oh shit" moments they past 3 episodes or so that felt like they were building up to an "oh shit" finale, especially when he got in the car at the end of the last week with Michael Rooker. I just knew the 1 and a half finale was gonna be like...
This definitely didn't end the way I thought it would and it took me a while to process how I felt about that but I'm alright with this ending. The storytelling was unconventional from the start with the three timelines running concurrently so it turns out we got the resolution a lot earlier than we realized. I said a few episodes ago that I almost didn't even care about the mystery or the missing girl because I was enjoying the way these relationships were playing out so authentically.
Turns out that was the point all along.
That next to last shot on the porch with Wayne surrounded by Roland and his family -- turns out he had what he was looking for the whole time. It wasn't about the mystery at all. It was about Wayne coming to peace about the choice he made years ago to choose his family over the job and making things right with his partner who he left. He was a true alpha male... a true detective like Roland tried to tell him and he gave that up in his prime to choose his woman and then again in 1990 to save his marriage and take care of his family.
That's some deep stuff if you really think about it.
The final shot is him being in the war going into the bush alone
He never ever ever thought he'd have what he ended up with for himself
He said it the entire series
But here it was.
This stopped being about the case a long time ago
Repairing a life marred in tragedy has been the theme
They showed boy is a grown man when they appeared out the window when Amelia was at the convent. I was wondering about the relevance then
As @SIDESHOW said, Roland got hands
After this season I notice there is a big theme in all the true detective seasons so far and that theme is Pessimism.
Season 1 is somewhat rewarding they track down and kill the guys involved even tho the child molestation network goes much deeper. They just uncover the tip of the iceberg.
Season 2 ending pessimistic as fuck with most the detective and characters dying off. They all seems to meet tragic ends and the bad guys get away.
Season 3 ends with the case being 99.5 percent all the way solved. Even though the characters all seems to have a fairly happy ending.
Nic Pizzolatto is a asshole but I dig it because he isn’t going the typical Hollywood happy ending route. There is a more realistic feel to his endings everything doesn’t always work out exactly in the protagonist favor.
The Purcell case in Hays mind takes up so much of his time concentration and memory that his most fond memories of his past are the case. Even in all his dementia and old age his life is still that case, always never ending. Which at the same time also speaks to his mental fortitude because even in his diseased mind he can still solve the case albeit slower than he use to. Which is why I think they used the cop out of explaining things through Mr. Junius. Look how long it took them to find him. They would need a few more episodes to fully close it out.
That man could not fight what he was good at aka a True Detective to the T. He was a man hunter and having a family kinda got in the way of that. He tried to sacrifice his instincts for the better of his family but deep down in the end he couldnt fight what he truly was/is.
So, is Amelia alive or nah???
I don't know if this point/theory has already been presented by I find this interesting:
"Look at Wayne Hays’ eyes as he drinks his glass of water, standing in the flourishing yard on Allegra Lane. I believe he sees the truth standing in front of him, just for a moment before it slips away again. And I believe he lets it slip away, just as he chose to write down her address but not his reason for wanting it. Life is made of choices, and Wayne Hays is choosing to let the answer he’s chased all these years slip back into the undergrowth of his memory."
After watching this scene again I agree with this writer. I think he got his answer which was enough and chose to allow Julie to live peacefully knowing he wouldn't remember and that any threat to her peace will fade with his memory and knowledge of the truth.
Link to the article:
https://tv.avclub.com/true-detectives-finale-starts-with-a-bluff-then-tells-1832862726/amp
"Look at Wayne Hays’ eyes as he drinks his glass of water, standing in the flourishing yard on Allegra Lane. I believe he sees the truth standing in front of him, just for a moment before it slips away again. And I believe he lets it slip away, just as he chose to write down her address but not his reason for wanting it. Life is made of choices, and Wayne Hays is choosing to let the answer he’s chased all these years slip back into the undergrowth of his memory."
After watching this scene again I agree with this writer. I think he got his answer which was enough and chose to allow Julie to live peacefully knowing he wouldn't remember and that any threat to her peace will fade with his memory and knowledge of the truth.
Link to the article:
https://tv.avclub.com/true-detectives-finale-starts-with-a-bluff-then-tells-1832862726/amp
Nah she was dead the whole time except in his mind and her influence on him through her book which he never read and her own notes from investigating the case herself in order to write the book which renewed his interest in the case after all these years.
I think her death and his feeling that loss is the only reason he became interested in the case again.
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I wonder if the old Wayne was actually influencing his younger self in those moments when he appeared to see or feel his presence?
I don't know if this point/theory has already been presented by I find this interesting:
"Look at Wayne Hays’ eyes as he drinks his glass of water, standing in the flourishing yard on Allegra Lane. I believe he sees the truth standing in front of him, just for a moment before it slips away again. And I believe he lets it slip away, just as he chose to write down her address but not his reason for wanting it. Life is made of choices, and Wayne Hays is choosing to let the answer he’s chased all these years slip back into the undergrowth of his memory."
After watching this scene again I agree with this writer. I think he got his answer which was enough and chose to allow Julie to live peacefully knowing he wouldn't remember and that any threat to her peace will fade with his memory and knowledge of the truth.
Link to the article:
https://tv.avclub.com/true-detectives-finale-starts-with-a-bluff-then-tells-1832862726/amp
Mentioned this earlier. He knew interjecting would only hurt more than it helps. She persevered through a fucked up upbringing to live a life of normalcy
If he knew ,he shouldn't have given his son the paperI don't know if this point/theory has already been presented by I find this interesting:
"Look at Wayne Hays’ eyes as he drinks his glass of water, standing in the flourishing yard on Allegra Lane. I believe he sees the truth standing in front of him, just for a moment before it slips away again. And I believe he lets it slip away, just as he chose to write down her address but not his reason for wanting it. Life is made of choices, and Wayne Hays is choosing to let the answer he’s chased all these years slip back into the undergrowth of his memory."
After watching this scene again I agree with this writer. I think he got his answer which was enough and chose to allow Julie to live peacefully knowing he wouldn't remember and that any threat to her peace will fade with his memory and knowledge of the truth.
Link to the article:
https://tv.avclub.com/true-detectives-finale-starts-with-a-bluff-then-tells-1832862726/amp
He'd probably already forgotten at that point.
I think he wanted the answer for himself but didn't want it to go any further.
the cutie pie playing his daughter....https://www.instagram.com/itsdeborah/?hl=en
He's always been able to influence himself that's another aspect
Well I won't say influence but feel his own presence
Nah it totally slipped his mind
The son kept the paper because it was the exact address he was at.
After the car incident where he thought his dad was tripping but he wasn't
He's gonna go further with it
Na fam. That look he gave her while drinking the water said a lot. Plus that her daughter looked just like her as a child. That man knew but he knew saying something would only fuck shit up.
Him giving he son the address was just letting his son know that he still had his wits to him. Figured out the story before the white broad did and was just letting him know it.
We disagree
He lost his bearings completely and "He don't play games"
So that just don't go in line with anything he stands for
That's the beauty in this show. So many ways you can interpret a simple glare or statement
I'm sure this was by design.. this will be debated ad nauseam
Oh no doubt
Exactly right
Those were dope ass shots.
I've been meaning to get into this for a while. I wasn't sure about it when I saw the previews last year, even though I dug the cast, but I heard nothing but good things about it.
Guess now this is gone, might be time to finally cue this up on HBOGo.
Absolutely. That scene in the bar from the 1990 timeline where Amelia re-counted him telling her why he joined the Army, so that if he died his mom would be rich because the Army would pay her $10,000. That hit me kinda hard on a lot of levels.
Wayne was a loner, he was a hunter. Like he said in that argument with Amelia, "I was doin' just fine before you came along." That love came and rocked his world and he wound up with a beautiful life that he didn't fully appreciate because he had to put down his sword long before he was ready to.
It was satisfying on one level to see him come full circle with that.
Him walkin in the jungle, he was alone in his mind and always has been
Becca fine af, damn she beautiful, skin just shines
Seein his grankids on the bikes spooked him
I feel his son can bring closure to it all
No pedo shit, just sad events and mistakes
Gotdamn this was great writin
Man that show was nice
No bullshit you'll run through it and a day and be satisfied. Lot better than the trailer shows. Closing episode was better than True Detective
Sneaky good
Not even fully appreciate the life
It's just that he never felt he DESERVED it
He never felt it was really HIS it was meant for someone else way more worthy
He's just a hunter detective and everything else is just too good for him.
The "True Detective" series would have been perfect for Netflix as they would have extended it out for sure.
Definitely felt that he knew it was Julie when he looked at both of them but eventually forgot. Only had a few issues.
1. Hoyt knowing about the body just felt like it ended too soon. I dunno maybe he figured it out on his own.
2. That 2013 timeline should have been scrapped completely if they were gonna cut it for time. Added questions that didn't need to be asked.
3. Didn't really explain how the cousin got wrapped into it much.
Maybe I just wanted more time to flesh out some stuff is all. I mean did Tom kill the cousin or did someone else?
1. Hoyt knowing about the body just felt like it ended too soon. I dunno maybe he figured it out on his own.
2. That 2013 timeline should have been scrapped completely if they were gonna cut it for time. Added questions that didn't need to be asked.
3. Didn't really explain how the cousin got wrapped into it much.
Maybe I just wanted more time to flesh out some stuff is all. I mean did Tom kill the cousin or did someone else?
Cousin knew about the payments that the mom took.
I know. I'm just curious about how he found out and whatnot and what made him be quiet. Thinking too much I guess.
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