They ended unemployment especially in the red States and yet….

[Darrkman]

It's obvious that some on BGOL are not fully plugged into the "real" world or the corporate world that a tally makes the decisions.

Businesses ALWAYS adjust to the climate. When unions got too greedy what happened? Jobs were outsourced a d automated. When call centers became difficult to staff what happened? Jobs were outsourced and automated. Most McDonald's have eliminated most front counter ordering in favor of in lobby kiosk. Some eliminated all lobby service due to Covid and have no plans on reopening.

What the public doesn't see:

Some hospital specialties are being computer automated such as radiology.

Schools are importing teachers to combat shortage.

Asian countries are already implementing FULL service fast food vending machines using people only to refill the machines.

EVERY plant manufacturing sector has shrunk its work force and has increased automation and robot use.

Online ordering has increased by 33% since Covid which has negatively effected in person sales at most retailers. Go to Walmart and see only two cashiers.

Lastly, people incorrectly state that "$15/hr ain't ish!" Let's break it down. $15/hr is $31,200/ yr. If a couple both work these "low paying" will be a household earning $62,400/ yr. The median household income in the US is $67K. This is a 9% difference. If this couple earned $1.25 more they would be at the median. Or, just imagine if a person decided to work two jobs??

We have become a country of lazy and entitled underachievers who make poor financial decisions. Black folk are capable of so much more. We have to get back to the mentality of doing whatever it takes.

Every time Tito posts, be it about abortion or jobs you can tell he wants to be a republican and white in the worst way.

How can a union be too greedy?? Seriously that's the classic Republican line. Unions are greedy, how dare they want fair wages and job safety for union members. I swear just admit you a Black Republican and keep it moving.

This entire post is GOP talking points.....right down to a comment about lazy Black people ". He is literally telling you that $15 an hour is generous but he's not telling you the cost of food, cost of transportation, cost of child care, rent etc etc. He's also not factoring in how jobs would intentionally not give you full time hours so you could get benefits like medical and dental. Heaven forbid you actually get sick. When my appendix burst I spent 2 weeks in the hospital....my emergency surgery and infection treatments were close to $300k. Shit give Tito enough time I'm sure he'll tell you Obamacare is bad as well.

 

[Darrkman]

I have respectfully disagree with you on this. If we are going to have this conversation we have to continue to compare apples to apples.

A $15/hr job is not an average job. It's a low paying job. The median salary in 2021 is $51K. Which is more than enough to pay for what you provided, an average cost of rent of $1100.

The problem is, people want to live an "average" lifestyle, but don't earn average money. Your lifestyle is dictated by your earnings. There will always "poor" people. There will always be a workforce. Unless you own the company, businesses will pay CEOs whatever they want, particularly if they are increasing profits.

The sad thing is, all the people complaining about $15/ hr are 100% capable of improving their situations.

The roadblock is themselves. Are they willing to do what is needed and necessary to improve their lives?

Median. MEDIAN.

That means literally half the jobs out there pay less than the $51k you're citing. Also the number you're citing is wrong. The median income for all people working who are 15 yrs or older is a little over $41k and that's down from the year before. Also remember the majority of jobs are found in Urban to suburban settings which will have a higher cost of living as well.

 

[Tito_Jackson]

Median. MEDIAN.

That means literally half the jobs out there pay less than the $51k you're citing. Also the number you're citing is wrong. The median income for all people working who are 15 yrs or older is a little over $41k and that's down from the year before. Also remember the majority of jobs are found in Urban to suburban settings which will have a higher cost of living as well.

Here is a better source which states that the MEDIAN income is higher than I originally quoted. This further supports my point that average earners can afford $1100 per month. People who earn $15/hr are not average earners and therefore should not be looking for housing priced for average earners. If you earn $15/hr, there is housing available in your price range. It is unreasonable to expect to live an average or above average lifestyle as a below average earner.

Income and Poverty in the United States: 2020

This report presents data on income, earnings, income inequality & poverty in the United States based on information collected in the 2021 and earlier CPS ASEC.

www.census.gov

Median household income was $67,521 in 2020, a decrease of 2.9 percent from the 2019 median of $69,560

Every time Tito posts, be it about abortion or jobs you can tell he wants to be a republican and white in the worst way.

I swear just admit you a Black Republican and keep it moving.

This entire post is GOP talking points.....

This is actually sad and what is largely wrong with our people. You, like some of our other brainwashed brothers and sisters believe that the idea of discussing about jobs is "republican." Newsflash, not all Democrats believe in that "livable wage" political talking point. Many Democrats understand that discussing jobs is a crucial matter regarding the economy. You, like some of our other brainwashed brothers and sisters believe that the idea of discussing abortion is "republican." Newsflash, not all Democrats are for abortion nor are all women for abortion. Having a difference of opinion is natural among thinking beings, not just republican or democratic ideologies.

As I have stated numerous times before, I am not a republican or Democrat. I am a pragmatic individual thinker capable of making rational decisions based upon the facts, data, and evidence available.

How can a union be too greedy??

You're kidding right?

When my appendix burst I spent 2 weeks in the hospital....my emergency surgery and infection treatments were close to $300k.

It's unfortunate that you experienced such a painful health issue. Nonetheless, this is a separate issue. But, since you opened the door, you have to be honest and also acknowledge that we live in a country that even if you did not have the $300K, you still would have been treated. This is a fact.

Shit give Tito enough time I'm sure he'll tell you Obamacare is bad as well.

Actually, there are parts of the ACA, or Obamacare as you call it, that are very bad. Any person who tells you otherwise is lying to you. But, you are not ready for this discussion.

 

[Darrkman]

Here is a better source which states that the MEDIAN income is higher than I originally quoted. This further supports my point that average earners can afford $1100 per month. People who earn $15/hr are not average earners and therefore should not be looking for housing priced for average earners. If you earn $15/hr, there is housing available in your price range. It is unreasonable to expect to live an average or above average lifestyle as a below average earner.

Income and Poverty in the United States: 2020

This report presents data on income, earnings, income inequality & poverty in the United States based on information collected in the 2021 and earlier CPS ASEC.

www.census.gov

Median household income was $67,521 in 2020, a decrease of 2.9 percent from the 2019 median of $69,560


This is actually sad and what is largely wrong with our people. You, like some of our other brainwashed brothers and sisters believe that the idea of discussing about jobs is "republican." Newsflash, not all Democrats believe in that "livable wage" political talking point. Many Democrats understand that discussing jobs is a crucial matter regarding the economy. You, like some of our other brainwashed brothers and sisters believe that the idea of discussing abortion is "republican." Newsflash, not all Democrats are for abortion nor are all women for abortion. Having a difference of opinion is natural among thinking beings, not just republican or democratic ideologies.

As I have stated numerous times before, I am not a republican or Democrat. I am a pragmatic individual thinker capable of making rational decisions based upon the facts, data, and evidence available.

You're kidding right?

It's unfortunate that you experienced such a painful health issue. Nonetheless, this is a separate issue. But, since you opened the door, you have to be honest and also acknowledge that we live in a country that even if you did not have the $300K, you still would have been treated. This is a fact.

Actually, there are parts of the ACA, or Obamacare as you call it, that are very bad. Any person who tells you otherwise is lying to you. But, you are not ready for this discussion.

You're citing HOUSEHOLD which can include more then one person the census info I gave you was individual median wage. That is a better representation.

Considering the rest of your post it's the same old Republican talking points and claims of personal responsibility. You trying to say it's about work and not Republican ideals is just you bullshitting. But yeah yeah we know, it's just a REMARKABLE COINCIDENCE that all your posts reflect every Republican talking point and ideal.

Hilarious how you and a few others in here will walk like a duck, talk like a duck but swear you're not a duck.

 

[Tito_Jackson]

You're citing HOUSEHOLD which can include more then one person the census info I gave you was individual median wage. That is a better representation.

Considering the rest of your post it's the same old Republican talking points and claims of personal responsibility. You trying to say it's about work and not Republican ideals is just you bullshitting. But yeah yeah we know, it's just a REMARKABLE COINCIDENCE that all your posts reflect every Republican talking point and ideal.

Hilarious how you and a few others in here will walk like a duck, talk like a duck but swear you're not a duck.

The same source.

Income and Poverty in the United States: 2020

This report presents data on income, earnings, income inequality & poverty in the United States based on information collected in the 2021 and earlier CPS ASEC.

www.census.gov

The real median earnings of all workers aged 15 and over with earnings decreased 1.2 percent between 2019 and 2020 from $42,065 to $41,535

The point is still valid. $41K is enough to afford $1100 in monthly rent.

same old Republican talking points and claims of personal responsibility.

It is astonishing how often you wholeheartedly push back against personal responsibility. You can't even see how backwards that type of thinking is. Personal responsibility is not a republican ideal, it's an ideal of a successful adult. C'mon brother, wake up.

Every person on the board who is not happy with their financial situation can improve their situation if they wanted too. This is a fact.

 

[Darrkman]

The same source.

Income and Poverty in the United States: 2020

This report presents data on income, earnings, income inequality & poverty in the United States based on information collected in the 2021 and earlier CPS ASEC.

www.census.gov

The real median earnings of all workers aged 15 and over with earnings decreased 1.2 percent between 2019 and 2020 from $42,065 to $41,535

The point is still valid. $41K is enough to afford $1100 in monthly rent.

It is astonishing how often you wholeheartedly push back against personal responsibility. You can't even see how backwards that type of thinking is. Personal responsibility is not a republican ideal, it's an ideal of a successful adult. C'mon brother, wake up.

Every person on the board who is not happy with their financial situation can improve their situation if they wanted too. This is a fact.

I'm always amused cause what you're doing is the same as what Republicans do. You're talking about rent like that is the only expense anyone has

Rent - $13, 200 ($1100)
Phone - $1,080 ($90\mth)
Cable - $1,080 ($90/mth)
Transportation - $2,400 ($200)
Food - $1,200 ($100)

That's $18,960 just for basic stuff and I know I undercounted food, transportation and cable. Thats already 46% of your yearly and we're not talking clothes, entertainment, electric bill...we'll say heat is covered or car insurance. Cause let's be real if there's a car involved that transportation number goes up a lot when we factor in gas, and wear and tear on your car. We haven't even gotten to child care yet and the increased expenses if kids are involved.

We need to be real $15/hr is the bare minimum you need for a, living wage and if salary had followed the same rise that job efficiency and inflation had the minimum should be around $26 at most but to be realistic let's say $20. That wouldn't be a give away that would be what the salary would be based on how productive the work force really is. People like you swear people are lazy but to be real the work force is more efficient than its ever been and companies have been robbing their workers.

Minimum wage would be $26 an hour if it had grown in line with productivity

The gap between what average U.S. workers produce and what they earn has grown ever wider. That's a problem.

www.cbsnews.com

As I said before if you weren't so tied into spouting republican talking points which have always been to benifit companies at the expense of labor you'd actually know that.

 

[TheFuser]

It’s not just higher pay workers want.

They want better and affordable health insurance, affordable childcare, pensions and safe work environments.

This pandemic got folks thinking. And a lot of folks have realized they don’t need these crappy jobs.

And a fucking life outside of their job! QUALITY time with their family and time to do shit they actually like. So many jobs want their workers to have zero personal life. Like they should be honored to work there and dedicate all time and energy into their job.

 

[Darrkman]

And a fucking life outside of their job! QUALITY time with their family and time to do shit they actually like. So many jobs want their workers to have zero personal life. Like they should be honored to work there and dedicate all time and energy into their job.

Only in America have one political party convinced people that working until you're too tired to do anything else is a good thing. I remember my boss tried to get on my cause the client couldn't get a hold of me on a Sunday at 10am. I had to make that shit very clear that my weekend time is MY TIME.

 

[easy_b]

The one and only one silver lining that came from the pandemic is people are realizing their worth

 

[black again]

Every time Tito posts, be it about abortion or jobs you can tell he wants to be a republican and white in the worst way.

How can a union be too greedy?? Seriously that's the classic Republican line. Unions are greedy, how dare they want fair wages and job safety for union members. I swear just admit you a Black Republican and keep it moving.

This entire post is GOP talking points.....right down to a comment about lazy Black people ". He is literally telling you that $15 an hour is generous but he's not telling you the cost of food, cost of transportation, cost of child care, rent etc etc. He's also not factoring in how jobs would intentionally not give you full time hours so you could get benefits like medical and dental. Heaven forbid you actually get sick. When my appendix burst I spent 2 weeks in the hospital....my emergency surgery and infection treatments were close to $300k. Shit give Tito enough time I'm sure he'll tell you Obamacare is bad as well.

Bruh, you're wasting your time. You called it the same way I did yesterday.

Tito wants you to believe that the millions of manufacturing jobs lost, in the past, and the current 300k jobs a year lost are all the result of lazy, greedy people and not greedy CEOs.

The stat below shows where the greed lies...

CEO's comp up 1300% vs 18% for avg worker!

So basically the avg guy got only a couple percent annual raise OVER 40 YEARS!

But, "The dollar had an average inflation rate of 3.43% per year between 1978 and 2018, producing a cumulative price increase of 285.32%. This means that prices in 2018 are 3.85 times higher than average prices since 1978, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics consumer price index."


The CEO-to-worker pay gap has expanded exponentially over the past several decades.

The Economic Policy Institute (EPI) estimates that CEO compensation has grown 1,322% since 1978, while typical worker compensation has risen just 18%. In 2020, CEOs of the top 350 firms in the U.S. made $24.2 million, on average — 351 times more than a typical worker.

There's your greed. It don't take an ivy league education to see that.

However, if Tito still feels so strong about how greedy and lazy these blue collar workers are, I invite him to go to a bar or restaurant in a rust belt town and tell those people, whose jobs were outsourced, about their lazy work ethic.

I can give him a heads up, though...

It won't end well for him.

 

[Tito_Jackson]

Rent - $13, 200 ($1100)
Phone - $1,080 ($90\mth)
Cable - $1,080 ($90/mth)
Transportation - $2,400 ($200)
Food - $1,200 ($100)

Your hypothetical budget is a prime example of misplaced priorities. When I mentor brothers and sisters, I will be sure to use your proposed budget as an example of what not to do.

• First, if you are earning $15/hr, then you absolutely do not need to be living in housing that costs you $1100/ mo. That's just dumb. There is plenty of housing for people who earn $15/ hr.
• Second, if you are earning $15/hr, then you absolutely do not need to have a phone that costs you $90/ mo. That's just dumb. There are plenty of options in which a person can pay $25/ mo
• Third, if you are earning $15/hr, then you absolutely do not need cable That's just dumb. Use the internet that comes with your phone.
• Fourth, if you are earning $15/hr, then you absolutely need to minimize transportation costs to include walking more, riding a bike, carpooling/ rideshare, or utilizing public transportation. I have shown a number of my mentees how to Uber or Lift on the way to work so that they actually get paid to travel to their jobs.
• Lastly, if you are earning $15/hr, then you absolutely do not need to be spending $100/wk on food. That's just dumb. Simply cooking more and meal prepping would save so much money.

You along with many people have to get their priorities in order. If you do not have the money, you do not have the money. You can not attempt to live a lifestyle that you simply cannot afford. End of discussion.

And a fucking life outside of their job! QUALITY time with their family and time to do shit they actually like. So many jobs want their workers to have zero personal life. Like they should be honored to work there and dedicate all time and energy into their job.

A person can have a life outside of their job. But, that life is dictated by his or her income. Simply, you cannot expect to travel to the Caribbean every summer if you earn $15/ hr.

Bruh, you're wasting your time. You called it the same way I did yesterday.

Tito wants you to believe that the millions of manufacturing jobs lost, in the past, and the current 300k jobs a year lost are all the result of lazy, greedy people and not greedy CEOs.

The stat below shows where the greed lies...

CEO's comp up 1300% vs 18% for avg worker!

None of this has anything to do with maintaining life with $15/hr. You act as though they are obligated to pay you. You either accept the wage and work or do not accept the wage and don't work. People are so entitled and want to tell people what they should pay. A non-educated worker who is easily replaceable should not be paid the same as a CEO. Period.

The irony is, by scheduling, everyone can find 20 per week that is wasted online, watching TV etc. That 20 hours could be spent at another job working part-time. Both jobs would increase a person's annual salary to $46K per year. But, there are too many of you on this board that believes that is too much to ask of a person. Black folk didn't use to think like this. We were people that understood that whatever it took to support the family, then so be it. And those families stayed together and were happy and had a life.

However, if Tito still feels so strong about how greedy and lazy these blue collar workers are, I invite him to go to a bar or restaurant in a rust belt town and tell those people, whose jobs were outsourced, about their lazy work ethic.

I can give him a heads up, though...

It won't end well for him.

Actually, I do this very thing. I help brothers and sisters who are transitioning in life or are career changers. In fact, because of some of the information, I received right here on BGOL, I am currently completing a grant proposal that would allow my non-profit to train people to take and pass the CompTIA and/ CCNA exams. I am working with a few classmates from Yale regarding the most beneficial pathway as well as a realistic timeline. I would want people to complete the program and take the exam in 3 months. We would work with recruiters to get them all place prior to taking the exam. This will be 100% free for all participants.

I am firm in my stance. People cannot cry over spilled milk. Many of those manufacturing jobs, coal mining jobs, etc., are gone and will never come back. But, it is not over for them. They only need to be willing to get out of those bars you referenced and put in the work.

As I stated, EVERYONE on this board who is not happy with his or her situation has the power to change it. Any of you could literally have a new life by the start of the new year. The problem is, most people just are not willing to do the work. As some of you put it, you are more interested in living your best life now while earning $15/ hr.

 

[black again]

@Tito

"A non-educated worker who is easily replaceable should not be paid the same as a CEO. Period."

Possibly the worst argument I've ever seen.
I write CEOs are paid a thousand times the avg worker (I wrote it at least TWICE, so you couldn't have missed it) and this is your response?

I literally stopped reading, because if you can't quote me accurately, and debate those points, what's the point of the discussion?

Hella weak comprehension for a supposed ivy leaguer.

 

[stizz3000]

He is correct and one thing these corporations have to be careful with is a lot of baby boomers are getting out of the workforce quickly in other words they are retiring so to get more workers onto their payroll they have to sweeten the pot. Thank God (and I don’t take this for granted) that I have a job that I love doing every day and get a very decent pay although I wish they still had a pension system but nevertheless my 401(k) is doing very well.

Makes things alot let stressful if you like what you do. Shit I couldn't work somewhere and not like or have a slight interest in what I'm doing... thats why when I see all these people complain about a job they hate, Im like ????????????



LEAVE.....aint nobody holding you there

 

[black again]

@Tito_Jackson...

I've made 3 posts in this thread...1 yesterday was in response to your statement..

"Businesses ALWAYS adjust to the climate. When unions got too greedy what happened? Jobs were outsourced a d automated.

The second post was more of the same of my first post.

And the third was a response to something you pulled outta your ass, that had no bearing to anything I said.

CEOs salaries have increased 1300% vs 18% for the worker...which breaks down to a 30-some percent annual raise vs a .45-ish% annual raise over 40 years.

But in your eyes, the CEO isn't greedy.

However in the real world, many more people see my point than yours...

From Washington Post:

Studying the greedy CEO
(istock illustration)
By
Jena McGregor
June 17, 2014


AND


Science News
from research organizations

Corporate greed: That gut feeling you have about your CEO is spot on
Date:May 15, 2015Source:University of DelawareSummary:Researchers tested the assumption that self-interest is a universal trait of CEOs, showed that too much altruism can harm company performance, revealed the dark, self-destructive tendencies of some entrepreneurs and family-owned businesses and provided a way to measure and correlate greed, arrogance and company performance.Share:
FULL STORY

That gut feeling many workers, laborers and other underlings have about their CEOs is spot on, according to three recent studies in the Journal of Management, the Journal of Management Studies and the Journal of Leadership and Organizational Studies that say CEO greed is bad for business.

I could go on, buy I think I made my point.

The hilarious thing is how you tried to completely ignore what I wrote and attempted to detail the discussion to ..

"None of this has anything to do with maintaining life with $15/hr. You act as though they are obligated to pay you. "

None of that had ANYTHING to do with what I wrote...

But you knew that

 

[gene cisco]

Only in America have one political party convinced people that working until you're too tired to do anything else is a good thing. I remember my boss tried to get on my cause the client couldn't get a hold of me on a Sunday at 10am. I had to make that shit very clear that my weekend time is MY TIME.

There is a difference between a hard worker and a fucking fool. GOP has convinced people that ONLY hard work achieves success. That's why the GOP demographic makes the best worker bees. Fools will work themselves to death with their foolish pride. With every other demo, common sense kicks in at some point. They have a 'fuck this moment'. GOP types think working through a heart attack is somehow honorable.

GOP voters who aren't rich are the definition of misery loves company. They even treat their own offspring like that. "If I HAD to do it, you HAVE to do it!" So if there is a demo who can't even stand for their own kids to catch breaks, what chance do their neighbors/coworkers have?

Bruh, you're wasting your time. You called it the same way I did yesterday.

Tito wants you to believe that the millions of manufacturing jobs lost, in the past, and the current 300k jobs a year lost are all the result of lazy, greedy people and not greedy CEOs.

The stat below shows where the greed lies...

CEO's comp up 1300% vs 18% for avg worker!

So basically the avg guy got only a couple percent annual raise OVER 40 YEARS!

But, "The dollar had an average inflation rate of 3.43% per year between 1978 and 2018, producing a cumulative price increase of 285.32%. This means that prices in 2018 are 3.85 times higher than average prices since 1978, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics consumer price index."


The CEO-to-worker pay gap has expanded exponentially over the past several decades.

The Economic Policy Institute (EPI) estimates that CEO compensation has grown 1,322% since 1978, while typical worker compensation has risen just 18%. In 2020, CEOs of the top 350 firms in the U.S. made $24.2 million, on average — 351 times more than a typical worker.

There's your greed. It don't take an ivy league education to see that.

However, if Tito still feels so strong about how greedy and lazy these blue collar workers are, I invite him to go to a bar or restaurant in a rust belt town and tell those people, whose jobs were outsourced, about their lazy work ethic.

I can give him a heads up, though...

It won't end well for him.

The game is wicked as hell. Especially when folks realize that the rich for the most part ain't working for money. Their money is working for them. So the pay increase disparities only tell a small part of the story. When folks start to talk about assets and capital gains, the shit gets even uglier. Big difference between earned income and capitals gains income. Also, borrowing against the assets tax free.

The middle class is getting completely blown the fuck out. People are working more than ever and are in debt like never before.

 

[tallblacknyc]

Your hypothetical budget is a prime example of misplaced priorities. When I mentor brothers and sisters, I will be sure to use your proposed budget as an example of what not to do.

• First, if you are earning $15/hr, then you absolutely do not need to be living in housing that costs you $1100/ mo. That's just dumb. There is plenty of housing for people who earn $15/ hr.
• Second, if you are earning $15/hr, then you absolutely do not need to have a phone that costs you $90/ mo. That's just dumb. There are plenty of options in which a person can pay $25/ mo
• Third, if you are earning $15/hr, then you absolutely do not need cable That's just dumb. Use the internet that comes with your phone.
• Fourth, if you are earning $15/hr, then you absolutely need to minimize transportation costs to include walking more, riding a bike, carpooling/ rideshare, or utilizing public transportation. I have shown a number of my mentees how to Uber or Lift on the way to work so that they actually get paid to travel to their jobs.
• Lastly, if you are earning $15/hr, then you absolutely do not need to be spending $100/wk on food. That's just dumb. Simply cooking more and meal prepping would save so much money.

You along with many people have to get their priorities in order. If you do not have the money, you do not have the money. You can not attempt to live a lifestyle that you simply cannot afford. End of discussion.

A person can have a life outside of their job. But, that life is dictated by his or her income. Simply, you cannot expect to travel to the Caribbean every summer if you earn $15/ hr.

None of this has anything to do with maintaining life with $15/hr. You act as though they are obligated to pay you. You either accept the wage and work or do not accept the wage and don't work. People are so entitled and want to tell people what they should pay. A non-educated worker who is easily replaceable should not be paid the same as a CEO. Period.

The irony is, by scheduling, everyone can find 20 per week that is wasted online, watching TV etc. That 20 hours could be spent at another job working part-time. Both jobs would increase a person's annual salary to $46K per year. But, there are too many of you on this board that believes that is too much to ask of a person. Black folk didn't use to think like this. We were people that understood that whatever it took to support the family, then so be it. And those families stayed together and were happy and had a life.

Actually, I do this very thing. I help brothers and sisters who are transitioning in life or are career changers. In fact, because of some of the information, I received right here on BGOL, I am currently completing a grant proposal that would allow my non-profit to train people to take and pass the CompTIA and/ CCNA exams. I am working with a few classmates from Yale regarding the most beneficial pathway as well as a realistic timeline. I would want people to complete the program and take the exam in 3 months. We would work with recruiters to get them all place prior to taking the exam. This will be 100% free for all participants.

I am firm in my stance. People cannot cry over spilled milk. Many of those manufacturing jobs, coal mining jobs, etc., are gone and will never come back. But, it is not over for them. They only need to be willing to get out of those bars you referenced and put in the work.

As I stated, EVERYONE on this board who is not happy with his or her situation has the power to change it. Any of you could literally have a new life by the start of the new year. The problem is, most people just are not willing to do the work. As some of you put it, you are more interested in living your best life now while earning $15/ hr.

When he said food he didn’t say $100 a week he said $100 a month… a monthly metrocard in nyc is $127 which still takes you to $1,524 a yr which is considered cheap compared to some places.. but mta was built for certain areas, not the same when you go to other states.. as far as these $15 an hr apartments that there are so much of, many retail job workers would love to know these mass housing you speak of that’s available to them

 

[Darrkman]

When he said food he didn’t say $100 a week he said $100 a month… a monthly metrocard in nyc is $127 which still takes you to $1,524 a yr which is considered cheap compared to some places.. but mta was built for certain areas, not the same when you go to other states.. as far as these $15 an hr apartments that there are so much of, many retail job workers would love to know these mass housing you speak of that’s available to them

Yeah I just have to ignore the dude at this point. He's really on here saying that you can find any old place and you can tell he has no clue. He's pulling shit out of his ass to make his argument.

 

[4 Dimensional]

Are these folks working full time making $15/hr?

most people I know that are making that type of baseline wage isn’t working full time.

 

[Darrkman]

Your hypothetical budget is a prime example of misplaced priorities. When I mentor brothers and sisters, I will be sure to use your proposed budget as an example of what not to do.

• First, if you are earning $15/hr, then you absolutely do not need to be living in housing that costs you $1100/ mo. That's just dumb. There is plenty of housing for people who earn $15/ hr.
• Second, if you are earning $15/hr, then you absolutely do not need to have a phone that costs you $90/ mo. That's just dumb. There are plenty of options in which a person can pay $25/ mo
• Third, if you are earning $15/hr, then you absolutely do not need cable That's just dumb. Use the internet that comes with your phone.
• Fourth, if you are earning $15/hr, then you absolutely need to minimize transportation costs to include walking more, riding a bike, carpooling/ rideshare, or utilizing public transportation. I have shown a number of my mentees how to Uber or Lift on the way to work so that they actually get paid to travel to their jobs.
• Lastly, if you are earning $15/hr, then you absolutely do not need to be spending $100/wk on food. That's just dumb. Simply cooking more and meal prepping would save so much money.

You along with many people have to get their priorities in order. If you do not have the money, you do not have the money. You can not attempt to live a lifestyle that you simply cannot afford. End of discussion.

A person can have a life outside of their job. But, that life is dictated by his or her income. Simply, you cannot expect to travel to the Caribbean every summer if you earn $15/ hr.

None of this has anything to do with maintaining life with $15/hr. You act as though they are obligated to pay you. You either accept the wage and work or do not accept the wage and don't work. People are so entitled and want to tell people what they should pay. A non-educated worker who is easily replaceable should not be paid the same as a CEO. Period.

The irony is, by scheduling, everyone can find 20 per week that is wasted online, watching TV etc. That 20 hours could be spent at another job working part-time. Both jobs would increase a person's annual salary to $46K per year. But, there are too many of you on this board that believes that is too much to ask of a person. Black folk didn't use to think like this. We were people that understood that whatever it took to support the family, then so be it. And those families stayed together and were happy and had a life.

Actually, I do this very thing. I help brothers and sisters who are transitioning in life or are career changers. In fact, because of some of the information, I received right here on BGOL, I am currently completing a grant proposal that would allow my non-profit to train people to take and pass the CompTIA and/ CCNA exams. I am working with a few classmates from Yale regarding the most beneficial pathway as well as a realistic timeline. I would want people to complete the program and take the exam in 3 months. We would work with recruiters to get them all place prior to taking the exam. This will be 100% free for all participants.

I am firm in my stance. People cannot cry over spilled milk. Many of those manufacturing jobs, coal mining jobs, etc., are gone and will never come back. But, it is not over for them. They only need to be willing to get out of those bars you referenced and put in the work.

As I stated, EVERYONE on this board who is not happy with his or her situation has the power to change it. Any of you could literally have a new life by the start of the new year. The problem is, most people just are not willing to do the work. As some of you put it, you are more interested in living your best life now while earning $15/ hr.

Yeah I can tell you're all talk.

The food was $100 a month and that's for cooking.

The transportation and you saying carpool or bike is you making the assumption those are options. The fact is that the it's more expensive to live closer to areas where there's work. The farther out you go the more expensive is transportation. So you saying live in a cheaper area as the solution shows that you really don't get it. The cheaper the area the farther the commute. The cheaper the commute the more expensive is the area. I didn't even factor in cost of parking into that transportation cost. NYC has the cheapest and most efficient public transportation, it runs 24 hours and will cost you $5.50 round trip. Or $110 a month if you work 5 days a week or $1,320 a year. That's your base. Most other places cost more and don't run 24 hours which then limits the hours you can work. Unless you Uber or carpool like you said which then adds to the transportation costs.

What I'm trying to say is that you don't know what the fuck you're talking about and it shows.

 

[Darrkman]

Are these folks working full time making $15/hr?

most people I know that are making that type of baseline wage isn’t working full time.

Probably not. Which then factors in when it comes to benefits.

 

[4 Dimensional]

Probably not. Which then factors in when it comes to benefits.

Full time @ $15 is only $31k a year before taxes, and is roughly 25k after taxes?

That’s rough living for most cities. Smaller towns you can do well, but they ain’t paying no $15 an hour.

 

[LordSinister]

You can tell who's actually been in real life situations and who hasn't by reading this thread.

 

[SPECTRE1]

There is a million dead people not working due to COVID-19. There are old fuckers that finally retired opening up opportunities. They need to get rid of the discrimination laws protecting them, it should be based on retirement income. If you have millions saved up, with a pension and social security; you can be fired from your job.

In my sad profession, I am not seeing any labor shortage. I have transition to other work and get jobs more readily without any of the hassles.

 

[4 Dimensional]

You can tell who's actually been in real life situations and who hasn't by reading this thread.

I don’t ever want to go back to that type of living. This pandemic trying the fuck out of me though. Lol

 

[Tito_Jackson]

Makes things alot let stressful if you like what you do. Shit I couldn't work somewhere and not like or have a slight interest in what I'm doing... thats why when I see all these people complain about a job they hate, Im like ????????????



LEAVE.....aint nobody holding you there

This!! If you hate being paid $15/hr or you hate your job....LEAVE!! or Quit!! You are not forced to stay nor can you force anyone to pay you more.

@Tito_Jackson...

I've made 3 posts in this thread...1 yesterday was in response to your statement..

"Businesses ALWAYS adjust to the climate. When unions got too greedy what happened? Jobs were outsourced a d automated.

The second post was more of the same of my first post.

And the third was a response to something you pulled outta your ass, that had no bearing to anything I said.

CEOs salaries have increased 1300% vs 18% for the worker...which breaks down to a 30-some percent annual raise vs a .45-ish% annual raise over 40 years.

But in your eyes, the CEO isn't greedy.

However in the real world, many more people see my point than yours...

From Washington Post:

Studying the greedy CEO
(istock illustration)
By
Jena McGregor
June 17, 2014


AND


Science News
from research organizations

Corporate greed: That gut feeling you have about your CEO is spot on
Date:May 15, 2015Source:University of DelawareSummary:Researchers tested the assumption that self-interest is a universal trait of CEOs, showed that too much altruism can harm company performance, revealed the dark, self-destructive tendencies of some entrepreneurs and family-owned businesses and provided a way to measure and correlate greed, arrogance and company performance.Share:
FULL STORY

That gut feeling many workers, laborers and other underlings have about their CEOs is spot on, according to three recent studies in the Journal of Management, the Journal of Management Studies and the Journal of Leadership and Organizational Studies that say CEO greed is bad for business.

I could go on, buy I think I made my point.

The hilarious thing is how you tried to completely ignore what I wrote and attempted to detail the discussion to ..

"None of this has anything to do with maintaining life with $15/hr. You act as though they are obligated to pay you. "

None of that had ANYTHING to do with what I wrote...

But you knew that

If I missed your post, give me a moment to reply.

Are these folks working full time making $15/hr?

most people I know that are making that type of baseline wage isn’t working full time.

This may be true. I can see companies not wanting to provide full-time benefits. However, if this is the case, that worker should find supplemental employment so that he or she does accumilate at least 40 or more hours per week. Two part-time jobs can net a person 60 hours per week.

Yeah I can tell you're all talk.

The food was $100 a month and that's for cooking.

The transportation and you saying carpool or bike is you making the assumption those are options. The fact is that the it's more expensive to live closer to areas where there's work. The farther out you go the more expensive is transportation. So you saying live in a cheaper area as the solution shows that you really don't get it. The cheaper the area the farther the commute. The cheaper the commute the more expensive is the area. I didn't even factor in cost of parking into that transportation cost. NYC has the cheapest and most efficient public transportation, it runs 24 hours and will cost you $5.50 round trip. Or $110 a month if you work 5 days a week or $1,320 a year. That's your base. Most other places cost more and don't run 24 hours which then limits the hours you can work. Unless you Uber or carpool like you said which then adds to the transportation costs.

What I'm trying to say is that you don't know what the fuck you're talking about and it shows.

OK, so I misread one line. That still does not discount anything that I said. Your budget was a gross mismanagement of available resources.

As I mentioned previously, if a person is earning $15/hr, they absolutely do not need to live in a $1100 per month home. That's financial ignorance.

Lastly, your posts are always about excuses. What about real solutions for today? What do you tell a kid that is graduating school this year?? If they listen to you, they should get a $15/ hr job and complain until they are out of breath.

People like you like to coddle and make excuses for people. Every person working a $15/ hr job had an opportunity to create a different scenario for themselves. Out of high school, they could have gone to college, the military, trade school, became garbage men, postal workers, UPS, and hundreds more. Many of them f'd around in school. Many of them squandered their youth right out of high school not realizing that life comes fast. Even now, they do not have to settle for their jobs, there are several opportunities to enter into IT for free!!! Then starting with an average of $50K after just a couple of months of studying.

My point, there are options. Either get another job. Get an additional job. Or train for a career. All things that can be done this week. No complaining, just doing for self.

 

[tallblacknyc]

You can tell who's actually been in real life situations and who hasn't by reading this thread.

Or whose a cac posing as black..and continuously use threads like this to belittle black people and try to throw insults towards their way.. there’s 2 individuals on this board that represents that.. 1 of them is in this thread, I’ll give you a hint their sc name is the bro of the king of pop

 

[easy_b]

This!! If you hate being paid $15/hr or you hate your job....LEAVE!! or Quit!! You are not forced to stay nor can you force anyone to pay you more.

If I missed your post, give me a moment to reply.

This may be true. I can see companies not wanting to provide full-time benefits. However, if this is the case, that worker should find supplemental employment so that he or she does accumilate at least 40 or more hours per week. Two part-time jobs can net a person 60 hours per week.

OK, so I misread one line. That still does not discount anything that I said. Your budget was a gross mismanagement of available resources.

As I mentioned previously, if a person is earning $15/hr, they absolutely do not need to live in a $1100 per month home. That's financial ignorance.

Lastly, your posts are always about excuses. What about real solutions for today? What do you tell a kid that is graduating school this year?? If they listen to you, they should get a $15/ hr job and complain until they are out of breath.

People like you like to coddle and make excuses for people. Every person working a $15/ hr job had an opportunity to create a different scenario for themselves. Out of high school, they could have gone to college, the military, trade school, became garbage men, postal workers, UPS, and hundreds more. Many of them f'd around in school. Many of them squandered their youth right out of high school not realizing that life comes fast. Even now, they do not have to settle for their jobs, there are several opportunities to enter into IT for free!!! Then starting with an average of $50K after just a couple of months of studying.

My point, there are options. Either get another job. Get an additional job. Or train for a career. All things that can be done this week. No complaining, just doing for self.

You know your reply sounds like you are full of shit

 

[4 Dimensional]

This may be true. I can see companies not wanting to provide full-time benefits. However, if this is the case, that worker should find supplemental employment so that he or she does accumilate at least 40 or more hours per week. Two part-time jobs can net a person 60 hours per week.

My dad worked a full time and a part time job just to make 60k for a large portion of his life.

But, a person shouldn’t have to work 60 hours a week to live. A lot of people will never make over the 50k salary working two job most of their life.

An Uber driver told me not long ago I should consider Uber because he pulled in 84k while working over 60 hours a week. That ain’t it for me. People should be able to live without having to slave to make ends. Of course, that’s the Uber driver’s choice to do so. But my pops was the classic blue collar American black man from the south born in 1950. Hard work is what he did to provide. I wish it could have been easier for him and black men like him.

 

[easy_b]

You can tell who's actually been in real life situations and who hasn't by reading this thread.

Yep dude I work every damn where in the 90s you hear me everywhere from miami-dade county to Fulton County. When you start from the ground level and work yourself up you see a lot of the bullshit with most corporations especially when it involves the lower tier employees. This is also why unions need to come back.

 

[Tito_Jackson]

Or whose a cac posing as black..and continuously use threads like this to belittle black people and try to throw insults towards their way.. there’s 2 individuals on this board that represents that.. 1 of them is in this thread, I’ll give you a hint their sc name is the bro of the king of pop

Actually, you are the plant put here to persuade brothers and sisters that all is lost and that there is nothing they can do to make their lives better. You have hundreds of threads where you tell black folk to wait on the government particularly the democrats to save us. Remember you told everyone..."vote Biden!! He will make things better."

Check my record, most of my posts are geared towards awareness for black folk. Your posts all have the same theme..............don't do anything that will help yourself. that's for CACs only.

You know your reply sounds like you are full of shit

Why? Because I tell people what their dads should have told them. If you don't work, you don't eat. We are not owed anything. Get up get out and get something, don't let the days of your life pass by.

 

[Darrkman]

Actually, you are the plant put here to persuade brothers and sisters that all is lost and that there is nothing they can do to make their lives better. You have hundreds of threads where you tell black folk to wait on the government particularly the democrats to save us. Remember you told everyone..."vote Biden!! He will make things better."

Check my record, most of my posts are geared towards awareness for black folk. Your posts all have the same theme..............don't do anything that will help yourself. that's for CACs only.

Why? Because I tell people what their dads should have told them. If you don't work, you don't eat. We are not owed anything. Get up get out and get something, don't let the days of your life pass by.

You implied Black people were lazy in this thread. You keep pushing GOP talking points in this thread.

 

[Tito_Jackson]

My dad worked a full time and a part time job just to make 60k for a large portion of his life.

But, a person shouldn’t have to work 60 hours a week to live. A lot of people will never make over the 50k salary working two job most of their life.

An Uber driver told me not long ago I should consider Uber because he pulled in 84k while working over 60 hours a week. That ain’t it for me. People should be able to live without having to slave to make ends. Of course, that’s the Uber driver’s choice to do so. But my pops was the classic blue collar American black man from the south born in 1950. Hard work is what he did to provide. I wish it could have been easier for him and black men like him.

Sounds like your father was a stand-up guy. And I'm with you, things should be easier for black folk in this evil country. But it isn't. So, we have to do what we have to do to provide the best lives for ourselves and our children. This means doing what your pops did if necessary, working multiple jobs and however many hours needed. Work is work. Everyone cannot have a job that they love. SOmetimes, you gotta just do what you gotta do. That's a part of being a black man in America.

The reality is this, most of us in corporate America or those who are $100K earners work well over 60 hours a week.

You implied Black people were lazy in this thread. You keep pushing GOP talking points in this thread.

Please stop with the lies. Why do you plants have to revert to lies to push your detrimental narratives? I said that some PEOPLE are lazy. This is a fact. Let's not act like every person white or black is just some workaholic or something. Cut it out.

 

[black again]

My dad worked a full time and a part time job just to make 60k for a large portion of his life.

But, a person shouldn’t have to work 60 hours a week to live. A lot of people will never make over the 50k salary working two job most of their life.

An Uber driver told me not long ago I should consider Uber because he pulled in 84k while working over 60 hours a week. That ain’t it for me. People should be able to live without having to slave to make ends. Of course, that’s the Uber driver’s choice to do so. But my pops was the classic blue collar American black man from the south born in 1950. Hard work is what he did to provide. I wish it could have been easier for him and black men like him.

I drove Uber/Lyft for a few years and it's the biggest scam. Imo, it's no different than sharecropping.

One of the things I noticed then was that many people now work two or more jobs.

Uber and other companies pushing the Gig worker system are a huge part of the problem... reclassifying workers from W2 to ind. contractor, saving their companies millions...THATS GREEDY

Uber works for a small fraction of their workers...you have to be in a higher paying market...they didn't all pay the same when I drove. You have to have a super-efficient car... preferably electric, and you need some luck.

MOST people I knew who drove never took all factors into account to determine how much they truly made. Some didn't even wanna know. They were desperate.

These mofos in MANY cases are paying less than minimum wage. So, when I hear this shit about how greedy the unions are, I point to this example...

It's the same as Amazon and they're overbearing policies...limited bathroom breaks and unrealistic productivity demands...and your CEO is the richest man in the world...THATS Greedy

 

[donwuan]

Too many entitled folks out there that don't want to work hard and don't want to make the necessary self-investment to get better jobs. There are plenty of folks busting their asses for $20 an hour.

I guarantee you when the stimmy money, tax refund money, rent moratorium, and unemployment run out they'll be stepping over each other to get the jobs they're thumbing their noses at.

Folks want to make $50 60 thousand dollars a year with zero experience or education.

That shit ended and nothing has changed. That's what OP is saying. You're missing the point.

I'm always amused cause what you're doing is the same as what Republicans do. You're talking about rent like that is the only expense anyone has

Tito is a clown and a dumb ass. He posted the wrong numbers twice. He has no idea what's he's talking about. He's right there at the $41K a year mark and thinks he knows something but don't know shit.

 

[Famous1]

Not everybody is educational material.

Not everybody can sit in a classroom listening to somebody talk and talk.

It’s why you see some people work in offices/indoors and some folks outside in the environment. Or they get jobs that have them moving around indoors like in a warehouse or security guard.

I am one of those people. That’s why I drive a semi as a OTR driver.

Lots of folks don’t like being indoors. High paying jobs that require a education usually are indoor associated jobs.

I hated school and high school for me was like prison. After getting out the military I tried a office job and almost lost my damn mind being cooped up in there. I spent majority of the time staring at the clock.

Trade jobs (blue collar) like in construction, the railroad, etc appeal to a certain type of folks.

All these people working service sector/ warehouse work were the type of folks who gravitated toward factory work. All the factories shutdown and were exported overseas.

If you're not "educated".
You should just die in the streets...
On God...
If only there were a way to make sure one race was less educated than others then we could have a permanent worker class