Sometimes you over talk.
Tariq Nasheed: "I do not support immigration"
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I don't give a shit what you think about what I do. If we ain't discussing this issue, fuck off.
Trump administration as revoked citzenship over domestic violence arrests that happened and we're resolved decades ago. There are no protections.
What are you talking about ?
What domestic violence arrests?
How many legal immigrants come to America every year?
The whole issue at the border is because they are trying to stop legal immigration. Asking for asylum is legal. Trump and Stephen Miller are trying to stop it. DOJ tried to go around congress and make their own policy as to who qulalifies to request it, and a court struck it down.
Not talking about asylum.
No one is trying to stop legal immigration.
Millions come EVERY YEAR, And not just from Central America. But yes, a lot do, and no one has an issue with that. Asylum isn't the only way.
You made a lot of references to Haiti.
Are you Haitian and a conservative? Because you sound as if you're for the wall, pro Trump and all that good stuff.
You really Mia Love?
So instead of dealing with what I said and the truth in it, you're trying to add some other shit to it. I also mentioned the Benin wall. I must be a conservative from ancient Benin too huh? Gtfoh.
The president IS trying to stop it
If you think no one is trying to stop legal immigration you haven't been paying attention. Yes we have illegal crossings, but you do realize that Trump has been refusing entry to aslyum seekers and trying to make deals with Mexico to keep them there for months or years at a time instead of following our normal procedures?
Have you read any news in the past two years about caravans? Child separation and caging children? This is being done to people at the border who presented themselves for asylum even at the legal entry points. Why do you think folks have been raising hell the past two years? The Muslim ban was just phase 1. I've posted links in the past about the revoking of citizenship and the traffic stops. In fact I believe it was a Haitian man that was taken at one of the traffic stops.
Oh Lord. I'm not here to debate all that
This shit started from the basic premise of legal vs illegal immigration. If you think all that's happening and I'm just missing it , oh well you're on your own.
Yes I've missed all that. Yawn
You're the one that made the statement
Lol word on Tariq. Glad we agree on legal immigration as well. I feel like a broken record on the issue but I don't think Americans are generally ready to have a serious conversation around illegal immigration.
For one thing the "crisis" we're discussing is total bullshit... there is no crisis and the number of illegal crossings have been going down 15 years. Almost every element of the fantasy GOT style wall under discussion is contradicted by reality at every step. There are more modern and technologically savvy ways to improve security further and every pitch for the wall ignores the obvious problems a project at this scale entails. The Cato Institute with whom I disagree on many things actually had a great write up on this a little while back.
Illegal immigrants tend to make a pretty easy target, especially given that most people are law abiding and reasonably expect others to be as well. But this conversation never includes a frank look at the economic reality which lays the groundwork for illegal immigration in the first place (specifically of the Mexican and Central American variety)
No one is willing to work these jobs that illegals do (as was borne out in GA and AL when these States cracked down on employers). Moreover, we're unwilling to confront our own part in this mess as consumers who demand a race-to-the-bottom that drives the economic calculus that corporations cynically engage in at the behest of their shareholders. Most of the outrage around the issue feels dishonest and vacuous. Just another way for folks to absolve themselves of all responsibility for our shared situation while laying all ills of society at the feet of a nearly mythically awful group of "others". Theres the obvious racial and nativist appeal to these kind of anti illegal arguments which is off putting af as well.
Until folks are willing to have more nuanced convos I'm comfortable ignoring the current level of discussion as a bunch of white noise tbh.
You're so far gone, you don't realize, like his many supporters the true reason behind the "wall".
News flash, the wall is a deterrent for other policies being put into place. It was never about building a physical wall.
No one in their right mind thinks that a real terrorist or criminal is trekking hundreds of miles across a desert.
They fly in planes and get here by boats or student visas. Shit they can go to Canada and drive a car across. Or become a citizen somewhere else and come to the US and get a visa.
There 15 million ways to get to the US, ask the tons of European whites who come here illegally, but oh I guess it's ok for them to stay. White is right.
Is an actual physical wall cost effective?
Agreed. Of course there's no "crisis"
But it is an issue. It was when other presidents were in and it is now. How much do I care with it? Not much. I just don't base whether I'm for or against anything just because of what Trump thinks about something.
I think between what I said to you and a few others, I'm done talking about it. Tariqs goofy ass talking about it is the shitty hood way if bringing in that nuance.
That wall is trump's shrine.
something that will remain when he is gone.
It's to feed his ego.
Look at the Trump wall.
It's a legacy move.
His buildings will eventually be owned by others but no one can take away the wall.
2 birds with one stone because the white supremacists love it
Depends. Whole nother thread. I've said what I had to say in the basic principle. Good day.
Bye
That's right. I'm so far gone. I'm not following the rest of your tangent about white people and a that other shit. Good day.
It's really nothing to do with a physical wall. It's about putting things into place. The wall is really a distraction, many just do not see or won't see until after things show their true purpose.
When things are resolved, it will be clearly evident. But I don't think this shut down will be temporary. We will see.
It will be temporary. As soon as enough GOP donors put the pressure on the Senate. People don't have money for gas, groceries, medical costs, childcare. Parks and museums are closed. I spoke with a lady this week that had a planned vacation to Yosemite and she is only going because she can't get back her plane fare and hotel deposit. This is affecting regular businesses. Trump thinks just dems are affected. Farmers already screwed by his tariffs can't get loans and might lose everything. This country is a hot mess right now.
I am with Tariq Nasheed. Immigration has nothing to do with Black Americans. You'll have some blacks who try to use the black immigrants as an escape when the vast majority of the immigrants are not black. But, even those black immigrants I got my eye on now. Some of them come here and can be slick talking about Black Americans. They can be from the Caribbean, Africa or South America, or maybe Europe. For far too long I've been seeing and hearing these immigrants come here and shit on Black Americans when Black Americans opened the pathway for their bum ass.
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The effects like this, aren't.
https://boingboing.net/2019/01/11/miami-airport-is-shutting-down.html
Over 50% of TSA are calling out daily. By Friday next week, many are going to start quitting. Essentially the TSA may be removed. Why and when were they put in place in the first place? Not 9/11? What did we have b4 they even became an agency?
There's many changes happening. Some just aren't temporary. Things are being done to bring about change.
I'm not saying the effects will be temporary. People might lose their homes and farms and everything else. I just don't think they keep the government closed. I'm thinking 30 days max. Especially with FBI Trump news leaking. They are no longer covering for Trump, they are covering for a traitor working with a hostile foreign government against us.
I wasn't talking effects either. There's changes coming to alot of things govt-wise
You've dropped nothing but jewels.
Good to see a lot of brothas in this thread who aren't brainwashed and pushing back at the new liberal talking point lumping black people with illegal immigrants.
What's really crazy is when people don't get NUANCE, they get people like Trump... And Tariq.
And actually even this chick. AND Yvette lol.
These guys don't like what I say? Fine, deal with these folks then lol.
This board is turning into gale-front
Right before our eyes
Right before our eyes
If I've learned anything from politics in the past few years its that effective persuasion of large groups requires us vs them, good vs bad. All of the folks you mentioned use that effectively.
Nuance would get in the way of that.
Sounds like you want to immigrate to China. Good luck with that.