Sony pulls Spider-Man out of MCU!!!!

[forcesteeler]

To be honest... if you go back and look at the production history of Spider-man Far from Home....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spider-Man:_Far_From_Home

I can kind of see why Disney wanted a Bigger share.. After Homecoming Sony insisted on Far from Home dropping in 2019... But Disney didn't want that information mentioned because Spiderman gets Erased in Infinity war. They would have liked to have had the movie unannounced until after the Sequel to infinity war. Which makes sense because Marvel didn't say shit about their planned film release dates until after Endgame. From Marvel's standpoint... Sony could be seen as a wild card... Meaning Marvel would have to plan their phases around what Sony wants to do with Spiderman. With type of risk.. I can understand why Disney would want a bigger piece of the action.

Plus Sony get's free advertising for their Spiderman movies when he is in the MCU.

FACTS..

Sony is so short-cited and only cares about money. I knew when marvel unveiled phase 4. I was like there is no way Sony wants to wait 4-5 years to make another Spider-Man. Spider-Man makes a billion so they want to make another one in 1-2 years.

Where as with marvel and Kevin Feige they take there time and look at the bigger picture to tell a bigger story. They could of rush out black panther 2 or captain marvel 2 but I’m sure they did not want to rush nothing until it fits into the overall story.

Which is the reason why marvel is so successful. They have patience!

Other companies like DC are so much hungry. Instead of building up characters so we can care about them. They went out a rush Justice League. Which flopped. That should of been a $2 billion dollar movie. But they fucked that up being greedy and not have patience.

They can learn from marvel. Have patience and build up a story and the money will come !

 

[fonzerrillii]

FACTS..

Sony is so short-cited and only cares about money. I knew when marvel unveiled phase 4. I was like there is no way Sony wants to wait 4-5 years to make another Spider-Man. Spider-Man makes a billion so they want to make another one in 1-2 years.

Where as with marvel and Kevin Feige they take there time and look at the bigger picture to tell a bigger story. They could of rush out black panther 2 or captain marvel 2 but I’m sure they did not want to rush nothing until it fits into the overall story.

Which is the reason why marvel is so successful. They have patience!

Other companies like DC are so much hungry. Instead of building up characters so we can care about them. They went out a rush Justice League. Which flopped. That should of been a $2 billion dollar movie. But they fucked that up being greedy and not have patience.

They can learn from marvel. Have patience and build up a story and the money will come !

Facts again!!

 

[Tha Great Muta]

You didn't like the portrayal of Electro and Rhino?

 

[Tha Great Muta]

On top of him looking lame....he was barely in the movie...not that I thought he was cool

 

[superfusion]

I see some people talking about Disney being greedy, but if they are producing, marketing the movie and only getting 5% of the revenue while Sony get's 95%, I don't blame Disney. If those movies had bombed Disney wouldn't break even. Disney has made Sony a lot of money from those last 2 Spider-Man movies. I hope Disney say's no more Spiderman games on Playstation and we're coming out with a Spiderman universe on Disney+, that would kill Sony.

 

[D'Evils]

 

[Gemini]

 

[Day_Carver]

Disney is already powerful but With this Disney plus comingthe animations, cartoons, stories they can do with all of the marvel characters . Disney is trying to strangle the entertainment industry......

 

[playahaitian]

I usually think this things are all hype?

But THIS one here?

I would NOT TEST IT.

 

[gtg305h]

Them nerds ain’t gonna do shit
PS4 will fly off the shelves

 

[playahaitian]

Them nerds ain’t gonna do shit
PS4 will fly off the shelves

we will see...

 

[playahaitian]

https://deadline.com/2019/08/kevin-...nter-soldier-tom-rothman-bob-iger-1202672545/

Disney-Sony Standoff Ends Marvel Studios & Kevin Feige’s Involvement In ‘Spider-Man’

August 20, 2019 8:55pm
Facebook

• Twitter

• Print

• Email

• Show more sharing options

Michael Buckner/Variety/Shutterstock
UPDATED at 8:55p.m. PT with Sony response: Sony Pictures spent much of yesterday trying to spin Deadline about the prospective loss of Kevin Feige from future Spider-Man films. First the studio downplayed the idea he might be leaving; then insiders pinned his exit on added responsibilities from the Fox acquisition of the X-Men franchise, though they declined to make a statement. All this was reflected as factors in Deadline’s break of an important and widely regurgitated story. But sources maintain that Feige’s exit was about money; it was about Disney seeking the 50/50 co-fi stake (sources said the original Disney ask was more reasonable) as the price for Marvel and Feige’s continued guiding hand that resulted in the delivery of Sony’s biggest grossing film ever. Sony declined to meet those terms or even counter with anything worth considering. It was an aggressive stance by Disney, which already owns the merchandise on Spider-Man, and a tough nut for Sony to swallow, giving up half of its most valuable franchise. But these talks had been going on for some time.

Had Sony agreed to Disney’s ask, Marvel and Feige would not have withdrawn from the Spider-Man films, sources said.


Sony issued a statement late in the evening, not denying anything Deadline revealed yesterday, but reiterating its stance that Feige was too busy, which seems like spin.

Deadline stands squarely behind its reporting.

How important is Feige to the future of this franchise? We’ll find out down the line. Sony is planning two more installments, though it is an open question whether those will include Jon Watts, director of the first two films guided creatively by Feige. Watts isn’t signed on for the next film and isn’t a certainty to be back as he is being heavily courted for other jobs. Could Sony find itself vying against Marvel for Watts’ future services as director?

Here is Sony’s late evening statement: “Much of today’s news about Spider-Man has mischaracterized recent discussions about Kevin Feige’s involvement in the franchise. We are disappointed, but respect Disney’s decision not to have him continue as a lead producer of our next live action Spider-Man film,” a Sony spokesperson said. “We hope this might change in the future, but understand that the many new responsibilities that Disney has given him – including all their newly added Marvel properties – do not allow time for him to work on IP they do not own. Kevin is terrific and we are grateful for his help and guidance and appreciate the path he has helped put us on, which we will continue.”



@fonzerrillii @ViCiouS

 

[ThaBurgerPimp]

Them nerds ain’t gonna do shit
PS4 will fly off the shelves

And 5 will too

 

[tallblacknyc]

Crazy idea kinda popped up in my head... Spoiler alert for those who didn't see far from home yet... Don't read anymore if you didn't


the end we all know Peter Parker gets exposed... Couldn't Disney technically make another movie without using the Spiderman tagline and not using his government name? Make a trilogy with Parker on the run and possibly becoming another character like new iron man, night monkey, or some other character marvel has under their wing?... They could abandon the Spiderman character and form a new 1...I wonder what's the rules with using spiderman villains?...think that would be a hot idea to flip the script

 

[joneblaze]

I think both companies are to blame.Marvel/Disney for their greed,they already have all the Spidey merchandising and now they want more? SONY because they feel Venom was such a success now they want to throw in Spidey because they know it will generate more cash for them...and them ALONE !!!!!

 

[playahaitian]

It Looks Like Bots Are Helping #SaveSpiderMan Trend

• BY MOLLY FREEMAN
  
• – ON AUG 21, 2019
  
• IN MOVIE NEWS

Fans trying to save Spider-Man from leaving Marvel Studios' Marvel Cinematic Universe got #SaveSpiderMan trending, but it looks like bots are helping - and targeting Sony Pictures. Back in 2015, Sony Pictures' second Spider-Man franchise had stalled out with the lackluster reception of 2014's The Amazing Spider-Man 2, and the studio ended up striking a deal with Marvel Studios. The partnership allowed Spider-Man to join the MCU, and Tom Holland was later cast as Peter Parker. Holland's take on Spider-Man has become beloved by fans, having appeared in two solo movies and three team-ups over the last few years. As a result, many fans were devastated by the news of Sony and Marvel potentially parting ways, causing Spider-Man to exit the MCU.


News of the studios' dispute over a new deal broke on Aug. 20, and fans have taken to social media to voice their opinion on the situation - many of which are angry or sad. There's still a possibility Sony and Marvel will strike a new agreement, but it's unclear just how much of a possibility that outcome is. After the initial reports, Sony issued a statement on the Spider-Man deal negotiations falling apart, pointing the finger at Disney, Marvel Studios' parent company. In the wake of the initial news and further updates, fans have rallied around the wall-crawling superhero on social media using hashtags. However, it appears not all the tweets in these hashtags are from humans.



Both #SaveSpiderMan and #SaveSpidey trended on Twitter, followed by #SaveSpiderManFromSony as the tide turned against Sony Pictures and fans blamed the studio for Spider-Man's exit from the MCU. However, many fans have noticed Twitter bots (accounts run by software rather than humans) flooding the Spider-Man hashtags, potentially blowing the issue out of proportion. There are cases of similar or identical tweets going out from different accounts and while some of this can be attributed to humans stealing tweets in an attempt to go viral, many appear to be from bots. See examples in user 100tificoDatos's tweet below.



Fans have speculated Disney is behind the bots in an attempt to turn public sentiment against Sony, but that seems far-fetched. More likely, the bots are part of a fan effort to encourage Sony and Disney to come to an agreement that keeps Spider-Man in the MCU. Fans have also started petitions to keep Spider-Man in the MCU, created plenty of memes that have flooded all social media sites, and even launched a ridiculous Facebook event to storm Sony and save Spider-Man - similar to the Storm Area 51 efforts. Fans are doing plenty to convince the studios they should reach a deal that allows Spider-Man to stay in the MCU, so it's not hard to believe some zealous folks created these Save Spider-Man bots.


Of course, what remains to be seen is whether public sentiment has any impact on the negotiations between Sony and Disney/Marvel. Based on reports, it seems discussions broke down over money; Disney wanted to make more profit off the Spider-Man movies Marvel Studios head Kevin Feige shepherded to the screen, and Sony didn't want to give up the profits they were making. After all, Spider-Man: Far From Home is Sony's highest-grossing movie ever and Spider-Man is arguably their biggest property. Allowing more of that profit to go to Disney might hurt the studio. Still, as both Disney and Sony protect their respective interests, fans are holding out hope the studios can reach an agreement and save Spider-Man from leaving the MCU.

 

[playahaitian]

Marvel Losing Spider-Man Would Be A Disaster For The MCU

• BY ALEX LEADBEATER
  
• – ON AUG 21, 2019
  
• IN SR ORIGINALS

Mere months after the MCU Spider-Man brought back to life in Avengers: Endgame, Peter Parker may not be feeling so good again: Marvel and Sony's renegotiations of their deal to share the web-slinger on the big screen have broken down, leaving Spidey's movie future uncertain.

On paper, this shouldn't have happened. The beauty of the 2015 Spider-Man deal was its simplicity. Marvel and Sony weren't co-funding any films and kept all the profits from the ones they worked on. With the boosts that putting the most merchandisable character in the MCU gave the former and the MCU connections gave a then-struggling latter, the net gains were pretty much proportional.

Continue Scrolling To Keep ReadingClick the button below to start this article in quick view.
START NOW
ADVERTISING

SPONSORED BY ZOCDOC
Find A Doctor Near You And Book Online
SEE MORE
RELATED: Spider-Man In The MCU: The Marvel/Sony Deal Explained

Five movies later and it appears both parties feel a little differently, leading to the threat of Spider-Man leaving Marvel Studios. Disney reportedly wanted a 50% budget/profit split, while Sony were keen to keep the situation as it was. Things have been complicated by Sony's attempts to grow their own universes, with Venom's box office smash and Into the Spider-Verse's Oscar showing that they actually can be successful on their own.

Per the latest reports, the situation is in flux, with the severity of the rift being downplayed and the possibility of restarting talks raised. That would be a very good thing for all involved, not least Marvel. While many have played up how much the Sony brand has been rehabilitated by the MCU connection, the loss of Spider-Man could be disastrous for the Marvel Cinematic Universe going forward in both a story and production form.

ADVERTISING
SPIDER-MAN ELEVATED MCU PHASE 3 - ESPECIALLY IRON MAN

The Marvel Cinematic Universe's Phase 3 is generally considered as a strong expansion for the series. There are debated missteps and unexpectedly divisive entries, but the overall diversification of the backdrops and characters has led to bigger stories, culminating in the record-besting Avengers two-parter. And while there were the legacy heroes of Steve Rogers, Tony Stark and Thor, not to mention new breakouts like T'Challa and Carol Danvers, what really brought it together was Spider-Man. Of the eleven films released over four years, Spidey appeared in five - Captain America: Civil War, Spider-Man: Homecoming, Avengers: Infinity War, Avengers: Endgame and Spider-Man: Far From Home - which together arguably form the five best films of the run (give or take a Black Panther).

ADVERTISING
His solo movies exemplify how to balance the conflicting intimacies and sprawl of shared-universe storytelling, making Peter Parker feel like he exists in an existing world while never losing sight of his personal journey. Homecoming is, without question, one of the best films in the MCU and, where Ant-Man and the Wasp struggled to provide a suitable palate cleanser after Infinity War, Far From Home was able to tell a tighter story in the shadow of Endgame without feeling trite or succumbing to excitement through reference. That said, even without the bigger picture connections, smart producing moves and Jon Watts' direction could have delivered movies like that. It's what Spider-Man gave the universe that's so important.

ADVERTISING
RELATED: Will Future Spider-Man Movies Still Be In The MCU? Here's What We Know

Starting with Captain America: Civil War, Spider-Man began to affect the MCU's founding hero. Tony Stark's primary arc had ended in Iron Man 3, with his actions in Age of Ultron transitioning him towards a more antagonistic figure, but Spider-Man brought him back. Suddenly, there was a physical personification of his carelessness, someone who he had to care for and grow to be the father figure he never received. That weight of responsibility, compounded by Peter's death in Avengers: Infinity War, was a major driving force through Endgame and towards Tony's final snap. Morgan Stark may have loved Tony 3000, but it was Peter Parker who helped her father love back.

ADVERTISING
That almost didn't happen Marvel announced Phase 3 - which included the two-part Avengers: Infinity War that - in 2014, months before the Spider-Man deal came to pass. It's known that two versions of Captain America: Civil Warwere written - one with and one without the webhead - but those considerations are unlikely to have gone as far as the team-up. And, based on screenwriters Christopher Markus and Stephen McFeely discussion of Captain America's arc, it's likely a broad skeleton story for the characters were known, presumably including Tony Stark's death. That means the entire arc gifted by Spider-Man was nonexistent, that Iron Man's finale was locked yet missing what is now a key piece.

ADVERTISING
Much is made about how Marvel allegedly turned Spider-Man into Iron Lad, lumbering him with Tony Stark's villains by proxy, and while it's fair to bemoan how this more tech-inclined Spidey lacks the working-class scrap of the conventional version, it was clearly a two-way street. This was exemplified in Far From Home where threads leading back to the first Iron Man (right down to reuse of Jeff Bridges' movie-winning "Tony Stark was able to build this in a cave... with a box of scraps") led to the weirdest Spider-Man story yet.

SPIDER-MAN ISN'T IN PHASE 4 (YET), BUT HE'S VERY IMPORTANT TO THE FUTURE

One of the most striking absentees from Marvel's Phase 4 announcement at SDCC 2019 was Spider-Man. While not every character or team is getting an outing in 2020 or 2021, most of those missing were namechecked at the end of the presentation by Kevin Feige - up to and including recent Fox acquisitions. This was only to be expected - the nature of the deal means that, as Sony films, Spider-Man entries don't fall into the Disney release slate (Marvel Studios only produce).

ADVERTISING
RELATED: Marvel Didn't Reveal Spider-Man Plans At SDCC 2019: Here's Why

However, that absence after four years in at least one movie appearance certainly stood out. Even if the MCU's Spider-Man 3 were to get a speculated July 2021 release date, there's limited room for crossover with other characters. Indeed, 2021 is instigating its own, massive multiverse stories, with WandaVision teeing up Scarlet Witch in Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness and Endgame's alternate Loki Tesseracting his way into Thor: Love & Thunder. The targeting there could be seen as Marvel trying to make sure that, unlike with Infinity War and Endgame, a character owned by a competitor isn't the emotional core of a story going forward.

ADVERTISING
But even if that's the case, there's no getting around how important Spider-Man is to the MCU now. Already Marvel's most popular character (his merchandise sales, which Disney owns outright, eclipse that of even Batman), the final stages of The Infinity Saga positioned him as a core hero, the successor to Iron Man and the main character besides Thor with the most franchise appearances. Far From Home only emboldened that.

Beyond explicit promise, fan expectation is a fierce thing, no more so than with Spider-Man in the MCU. Far From Home ended on a double-whammy bombshell of J.K. Simmons' return and Peter's secret identity being revealed, Avengers Towers' secret purchaser is theorized to be Norman Osborn, and many anticipate the Sinister Six, Miles Morales and more coming into the fold eventually. To suddenly lose all that promise, implicit or otherwise, is a major blow to a universe that - now it has the Fantastic Four and the X-Men - was almost looking to resemble the comic world outside your window.

ADVERTISING
MARVEL LOSING SPIDER-MAN SHOWS CRACKS IN THE MCU

The MCU has become the dominant movie franchise (three of the four biggest movies of the year come from Marvel Studios, with a total $5 billion gross) thanks to its sense of control, both of consistency to the mass appeal fun and how every movie serves a purpose in the bigger picture. Time and again, they've effortlessly proven dissenters wrong, making ensemble The Avengers a trend-setting hit, turning the Guardians of the Galaxy into household names and toppling Avatar's global box office record. This has got to a level of mythologizing. The MCU slate has at points stretched half-a-decade into the future (with years further in development behind-the-scenes), leading some to feel like Marvel's ascent has been meticulously planned from the start.

ADVERTISING
RELATED: Marvel's Original MCU Phase 1 Plan Ended With A Very Different Avengers

The truth is, of course, not quite as impressive. Yes, Marvel's able to tell a 22-movie story that, viewed on a macro-scale, loops back to its early days and ties up all its loose ends (most specifically with Captain America, who had the same writers throughout), but the cracks and hiccups are there. Each Phase 1 movie retconned what came before to the point only one post-credits scene makes sense (Iron Man 2's Mjolnir in Mexico tease), Phase 2 saw repeated conflicted creative visions, and Phase 3's plan announcement so blatantly showed development changes Kevin Feige came to regret it. None of this is inherently bad - it mostly comes from prioritizing the movie at hand, and there's been adjustments such as the disbanding of Marvel's Creative Committee that have invariably improved things - but it all subtly highlights the precarious nature of the endeavor, that this is the product of an ever-changing industry.

In that light, Marvel losing Spider-Man provides the biggest crack in the MCU's facade yet. It shows the character rights issues that they still struggle with (Marvel also doesn't own solo distribution to Hulk and Namor, and only recently acquired X-Men and Fantastic Four) still exist, and that Sony - no matter how foolhardy - feel they don't need Disney's help to grow their biggest franchise. More clearly than with renaming Infinity War - Part 2 or Edgar Wright leaving Ant-Man, the fallibility of Marvel is clear.

It is, at this point, entirely possible that the reported collapse of the Spider-Man deal is merely part of Disney and/or Sony's negotiations, with one party (likely the former) trying to use the audience reaction to the most extreme outcome to strengthen their side. It wouldn't be the first time that internal discussions have gone public only for the situation to reverse (indeed, the Spider-Man deal only really began after the Sony email leak made early correspondence public), and most initial alarmist reports were followed up by "in talks" updates. But even in that case and it all results in Spider-Man remaining in the MCU, the fact it's gone this far still shows that Peter Parker isn't truly "home."

 

[playahaitian]

Marvel Fans Launch Absurdly Stupid Plan To Storm Sony & Save Spider-Man

• BY BILL WATTERS
  
• – ON AUG 22, 2019
  
• IN MOVIE NEWS

Fans upset with Sony's stepping away from the negotiation table with Disney regarding the future of the Spider-Man franchise and it's relationship to the Marvel Cinematic Universe have called for a storming of Sony's New York and Los Angeles offices by thousands of costumed protestors. This week, the film industry was rocked by the shocking news Marvel Studios will no longer be involved with the production of future Spider-Man movies, meaning Peter Parker is now out of the MCU unless Sony and Disney can reach a new agreement.

After becoming the most successful film in Sony's history at the box officewhen it passed Skyfall's total of $1.08 billion, talks between the companies broke down. Disney asked for a revised deal where they would split production and marketing costs 50/50 with Sony, and in return would also split the box office receipts. This would be a change from the deal which had covered the Spider-Man films since 2015 where Sony would shoulder all of the production costs,but either kept all of the box office or gave 5% of first-dollar gross to Marvel (depending on reports). Marvel retained all merchandising rights related to Sony's Spider-Man productions. When talks broke down, fans took to social media, most frequently placing the blame on Sony's doorstep.

Continue Scrolling To Keep ReadingClick the button below to start this article in quick view.


In an effort to have their voices heard, Facebook users Mackenzie Hobbs and William Young created an event titled, "Storm Sony And Bring Spider-ManHome To The MCU," and has thus far managed to gain more than 5,300 individuals marking themselves as "going" and more than 4,100 as "interested." The event calls on fans to don Spider-Man costumes and descend on the offices, but stresses that the gatherings should be, "a peaceful demonstration and violence will not be tolerated". It is scheduled for October 19, beginning at 12 noon EST.



There's word that negotiations between Sony and Disney may not be entirely dead in the water, so there's hope a new Spider-Man production deal may emerge regardless of any planned protest. Without a fresh deal, Sony would still be able to utilize Tom Holland for its films, however they would have to excise any references in future films from events and characters from the MCU. The prospect of a Tony-less universe for Peter Parker continues to inspire incensed Facebook and Twitter threads and memes from around the world. While the power of social media to increases the range of individual voices as well as being able to bring together like-minded individuals to form both online protests as well as real-world ones, corporations rarely respond to this kind of effort. While the response will likely be better than storming Area 51, it's budgetary impact that speaks loudest. When television shows have advertisers pull their support, networks have been known to respond, but protests have rarely resulted in any significant impact to a film's box office. And while the event has a disclaimer for a peaceful protest, the words will have little impact once boots are on the street if several thousand masked Spider-Men appear on Sony's doorstep and anything goes awry.


Even if the new budgetary split were to be agreed to by Sony to keep Spider-Man in the MCU sandbox, it doesn't address the all too real issue of Kevin Feige's available time. With the heavy production slate of Marvel cinematic titles as well as content for the upcoming Disney+ content, finding enough hours for Feige to also serve as an active producer on another Spider-Manfilm in the next two years may be a far harder feat. But if they do settle, we may yet find out what will happen between Happy and Aunt May.

 

[tallblacknyc]

Crazy idea kinda popped up in my head... Spoiler alert for those who didn't see far from home yet... Don't read anymore if you didn't


the end we all know Peter Parker gets exposed... Couldn't Disney technically make another movie without using the Spiderman tagline and not using his government name? Make a trilogy with Parker on the run and possibly becoming another character like new iron man, night monkey, or some other character marvel has under their wing?... They could abandon the Spiderman character and form a new 1...I wonder what's the rules with using spiderman villains?...think that would be a hot idea to flip the script

Also you could flip the script and make Parker the main character in secret invasion.. Make him find out hes not what he really thought he was and that his identity needed to be reveal to find out what his true mission in life was, to take over earth... Make Parker an alien.. Turn him from a lovable character into a villain..thats how you can flip the script... Parker will go I convinced Tony to sacrifice his life to bring back the end game to earth, he wanted to stop the end game when in reality I am the end game...Parker gone bad

 

[knightmelodic]

First of all, I have no idea where these people get the idea that Spidey leaving the MUC would be a "disaster" for Marvel. Marvel was doing just fine before Spidey showed up and they will continue to do fine. We know Spidey is a sure-thing, money-in-the-bank property, but we don't know who the next one will be. Who could have predicted Iron Man? Some character(s) will catch fire with the public (maybe Namor, because really, all we need is a placeholder until FF and X-Men make an appearance) and the money printing presses will roll on.

The problem is - the longer Sony delays with fixing this, the harder it's going to be.

I'm sure Sony can keep making Spidey movies and they will make money, they always do. And Marvel will keep making movies and printing money, but the fallout from making an enemy of the Mouse and the really bad pub from this will hurt Sony for years to come.

 

[fonzerrillii]

Spider-Man Movie Dispute Raises Video Game Concerns

© Marvel Studios
Sony has purchased Insomniac Games, seemingly securing the future of the Marvel’s Spider-Man series. However, while this should be a time for celebration, fans are worried that an ongoing dispute between Sony Pictures and Disney could lead to complications for the video game franchise moving forwards.

Where do we even begin? Sony Pictures purchased movie rights to the Spider-Man character all the way back in 1999, and it went on to make multiple flicks starring Hollywood actors like Tobey Maguire and Andrew Garfield. However, when rebooting the franchise in 2015, it struck a deal with Marvel Studios in order to incorporate the character into the Marvel Cinematic Universe.

This resulted in a series of crossover cameos and two original movies, Homecoming and Far from Home – the latter of which recently eclipsed James Bond epic Skyfall as Sony Pictures’ highest grossing film of all-time. But a dispute between the Japanese giant and Disney could result in the character being removed from the MCU, as the Mickey Mouse maker wants to step up its investment in the character.

All of this, of course, has little to do with Marvel Games’ relationship with Sony Interactive Entertainment, which has seen Insomniac Games become the lead developer on Spider-Man games. Last year’s Marvel’s Spider-Man was a critical and commercial smash hit, moving a mind-numbing 13.2 million units to date.

It’s unlikely that Disney will be petty enough to cancel this contract, despite negotiations stalling with Sony Pictures over the movie rights. As it stands, Tom Holland is signed on to play the web-slinger in two more films, which at present will be produced without Marvel Studios’ involvement. Given the success of the standalone Into the Spider-Verse, this could yet be a blessing in disguise.

That said, the uncertainty does put a dampener on the excitement of Insomniac Games’ acquisition, but we can’t see Disney being petty enough to pull the plug on the most successful superhero game ever made. We still suspect Sony Pictures will come to some kind of compromise with the media giant, and Spidey will return to the Marvel Cinematic Universe at some point in the future.

http://www.pushsquare.com/news/2019/08/spider-man_movie_dispute_raises_video_game_concerns

 

[D24OHA]

First of all, I have no idea where these people get the idea that Spidey leaving the MUC would be a "disaster" for Marvel. Marvel was doing just fine before Spidey showed up and they will continue to do fine. We know Spidey is a sure-thing, money-in-the-bank property, but we don't know who the next one will be. Who could have predicted Iron Man? Some character(s) will catch fire with the public (maybe Namor, because really, all we need is a placeholder until FF and X-Men make an appearance) and the money printing presses will roll on.

The problem is - the longer Sony delays with fixing this, the harder it's going to be.

I'm sure Sony can keep making Spidey movies and they will make money, they always do. And Marvel will keep making movies and printing money, but the fallout from making an enemy of the Mouse and the really bad pub from this will hurt Sony for years to come.

Spidey leaving wouldn't "kill" Marvel, but it would change / shake up their future phase plans....

Spidey and his villains could potentially lead the new faces of Marvel... You've got an already established and likable (read marketable) kid that will be becoming a man in front of viewers, growing with his character and his story arc... In the comics, if i recall it isn't teenage Peter that fights Venom and Carnage and all the really deranged villains... You coild really have Tom out there for 10 more years and then some as the new face of the franchise.... And at a pretty decent discount compared to the old face ( RDJ, who was rumored to make over $50 mil for each of the last 3 films he was in).

So yeah that would change things, but as already been stated... The mouse could get super petty and put out a new animation (and merch) for the kids and a whole new Spidey series on Disney+ or any of their numerous channels (and merch) .... Further killing / hurting any future box offices of Sony flicks.

 

[D24OHA]

I think both companies are to blame.Marvel/Disney for their greed,they already have all the Spidey merchandising and now they want more? SONY because they feel Venom was such a success now they want to throw in Spidey because they know it will generate more cash for them...and them ALONE !!!!!

Bruh Marvel did a hell of a lot of marketing and free publicity for Spiderman on their Disney channels..... And again Spidey cracked a billion with the Marvel tag on it... There's no way it does it again without Marvel.

Sony spilled the beans that Peter survived the snap just to promote the movie Marvel helped make, which damaged some of the hype for End Game......

Sony has their track record of story telling and arcs.... Marvel has there's.... Which is significantly better?

So if Feige and the Mouse were gonna guarantee a hit with at least $800 mill box offices for years to come with very little input just 50% of the production costs..... Why not take it... Get that chick (Pam is it) the fuck away from any cameras or interviews and reassign most of the Sony Spidey team and collect checks...

Now Sony could be playing hard ball thinking that Marvel really "needs" Spidey to keep future phases going.... Which they do, but it's more of a really really "want" versus a need.... Now that there's the X-Men and what not.... They could really switch directions and kill Peter in one line and keep it moving.

 

[Tinman]

 

[BenQ]

 

[lexdiamonnyc]

First of all, I have no idea where these people get the idea that Spidey leaving the MUC would be a "disaster" for Marvel. Marvel was doing just fine before Spidey showed up and they will continue to do fine. We know Spidey is a sure-thing, money-in-the-bank property, but we don't know who the next one will be. Who could have predicted Iron Man? Some character(s) will catch fire with the public (maybe Namor, because really, all we need is a placeholder until FF and X-Men make an appearance) and the money printing presses will roll on.

The problem is - the longer Sony delays with fixing this, the harder it's going to be.

I'm sure Sony can keep making Spidey movies and they will make money, they always do. And Marvel will keep making movies and printing money, but the fallout from making an enemy of the Mouse and the really bad pub from this will hurt Sony for years to come.

Absolutely agree!!! Sony has way more to lose! but they're too short sighted or greedy to see that! Marvel could pick up right after Endgame one continue as if Far from Home never happened. Sony needs the MCU, the MUC does not need Sony.

 

[Varis]

I'd like to see Dazzler get her own movie
The only time I read about her in the comic was in secret wars2 when she rejected the Beyonder and made him go crazy. Figured she could only make a light show never care to read her books, then after seeing her in dark Phoenix I decided to look her up and found this

"When Galactus enlisted her to retrieve his wayward herald Terrax from the heart of a black hole he had her exposed to unimaginable sounds, including the explosion of an entire galaxy, to boost her to sufficient levels."

 

[eagle force]

I think both companies are to blame.Marvel/Disney for their greed,they already have all the Spidey merchandising and now they want more? SONY because they feel Venom was such a success now they want to throw in Spidey because they know it will generate more cash for them...and them ALONE !!!!!

both disney and sony are feeling themselves and are putting profit above all else

 

[DjMorpheus]

Man FUCK Sony...and fuck that racist ass bitch Amy Pascal.

They can kick rocks and it'd be cool wit me. All they gonna do is fuck up what Marvel is doin over greed. The Andrew Garfield interview should be ALL you gotta see on how Sony operates. THey give less than a fuck about doing a good movie....just bottom line.

Mouse need to play hardball. THey got xmen and fantastic 4 characters and villians. Nigga...silver surfer...doom...wolverine, xmen done right. SHit is mindblowing. Namor. Maaaaaaaaaaaannnnnnnnnn fuck a gottdamn Spiderman. Let Sony go back to makin them garbage ass movies they was before.

Take the game off playstation. Make a marvel Spidey live action tv show to go alongside Loki and Falcon and have the Avengers,etc co starrin in that shit. THen when Sony drop the next bullshit ass spidey movie, show the trailers for the Disney live action tv series in the theater.lol

Gottdamn Endgame comin out and Sony gonna put out trailers of their flic like they could'nt wait a few weeks before showin Peter alive and shit.

Just....assholes.

 

[superfusion]

 

[TENT]

Can't reference events from the previous movie in any way.
Also cannot use Tom Holland (for now). He is signed to SONY. He has 1 more spiderman movie to make.
So whatever that movie is about is going to change the direction of the movie you proposed.

The real person screwed over is Tom Holland. He loved being apart of the MCU. You could tell.

Crazy idea kinda popped up in my head... Spoiler alert for those who didn't see far from home yet... Don't read anymore if you didn't


the end we all know Peter Parker gets exposed... Couldn't Disney technically make another movie without using the Spiderman tagline and not using his government name? Make a trilogy with Parker on the run and possibly becoming another character like new iron man, night monkey, or some other character marvel has under their wing?... They could abandon the Spiderman character and form a new 1...I wonder what's the rules with using spiderman villains?...think that would be a hot idea to flip the script

 

[knightmelodic]

Spidey leaving wouldn't "kill" Marvel, but it would change / shake up their future phase plans....

Spidey and his villains could potentially lead the new faces of Marvel... You've got an already established and likable (read marketable) kid that will be becoming a man in front of viewers, growing with his character and his story arc... In the comics, if i recall it isn't teenage Peter that fights Venom and Carnage and all the really deranged villains... You coild really have Tom out there for 10 more years and then some as the new face of the franchise.... And at a pretty decent discount compared to the old face ( RDJ, who was rumored to make over $50 mil for each of the last 3 films he was in).

So yeah that would change things, but as already been stated... The mouse could get super petty and put out a new animation (and merch) for the kids and a whole new Spidey series on Disney+ or any of their numerous channels (and merch) .... Further killing / hurting any future box offices of Sony flicks.

No. Not at all. It might cause a few rewrites is all. Marvel has dozens of characters and more on the way. One character, even Spidey isn't going to cause more than a ripple.

It doesn't matter what Sony does with Tom or whomever, like someone said earlier - people can't unsee Spidey with Cap's shield. Or Tony's improvements to his suit.

Sony has done such a terrible job with his villains (except DaFoe) I suppose they have to get one right eventually. But we all know a Marvel tie-in would expand his villains. And those villains would be done right.

Anyway. We'll see. Hopefully, something can be worked out between the Mouse and Sony because let's face it, who would you least like to have as an enemy?

 

[playahaitian]

https://variety.com/2019/film/news/spider-man-sony-marvel-divorce-1203311351/

Inside the Spider-Man Split: Finger-Pointing and Executive Endgames
By MATT DONNELLY

Matt Donnelly


Spider-Man’s neighborhood has been decidedly unfriendly this week. A private and contentious battle over the onscreen future of the beloved Marvel superhero has spilled out into the public square over the past few days. After making nice for two wildly successful films, Sony Pictures, which holds the licensing rights to the Marvel character, will go it alone. As every fanboy and girl out there now knows, it will no longer partner with the Disney-owned Marvel Studios on producing sequels.

Fallout from the creative divorce has revealed a callous truth about Hollywood’s obsession with the bottom line: Studios don’t like to cut big checks, particularly when the recipient is a rival studio.

On Wednesday, Sony confirmed reports that the producing deal between the company and Disney employee and Marvel chief Kevin Feige would end. That leaves the franchise without Feige’s guidance and effectively removes Spider-Man from the Marvel Cinematic Universe. Feige’s team had been credited with giving the character a lighter touch that blended wisecracks and teen angst in a way that was truer to the original comics.



SPY Guide: 4 Platinum 20th Anniversary Gifts for Her
Tom Holland's 'Uncharted' Movie Loses Director
Disney Already Clashing With 20th Century Fox After Billion-Dollar Deal


Less than 24 hours after Sony’s Tuesday announcement that the latest standalone Spider-Man film, “Far From Home,” had become the highest-grossing film in the studio’s 90-year history, news broke that the collaboration was over. The reports were conveniently timed.

Sony had been in negotiations to keep Feige in the fold as a consulting producer, but Disney — who just this year swallowed 20th Century Fox and all of its Marvel characters with it — left the table after Sony refused to increase its share of the profits. Some reports said that Disney was looking to essentially become a 50/50 partner in the series. Another insider close to the deal said negotiations came up for renewal as long as six months ago, and Sony did not move to act on a new pact. Others with knowledge of the deal disputed this, saying Disney made it clear it was no longer interested in partnering. The finger-pointing has been dizzying.

Several insiders said Sony Pictures chief Tom Rothman was willing to give up as much as roughly 25% of the franchise and welcome Disney in as a co-financing partner in exchange for Feige’s services. When Marvel took on producing duties on “Spider-Man: Homecoming” in 2015, Disney negotiated for a percentage of first-dollar gross and licensing rights for consumer goods. While Spider-Man may never again appear in a Marvel Studios-produced film, the character will still be found roaming Disney theme parks taking photos with families and emblazoned on merchandise in gift shops.

To say Feige is essential to the future success and profitability of the Walt Disney Company is an understatement. He is an asset that Disney has become unwilling to share with a rival studio, even at the expense of millions of moviegoers who prize Spider-Man as a member of the MCU. Trending topics like #SaveSpiderManFromSony overtook Twitter. Marvel founder Stan Lee’s daughter J.C. Lee backed Sony, saying her father’s creations need multiple points of view, going as far as to say “no one treated my father worse than Marvel and Disney’s executives.”





One insider said that Disney was partly motivated to walk away from the negotiations because it wants Feige’s full attention on the newly-acquired Fox properties. After “X-Men: Dark Phoenix” bombed, one person familiar with Walt Disney Studios said co-chairman Alan Bergman insisted talks with Sony end. Another insider disputed “Dark Phoenix” as a motivator, but said Bergman led the charge on the Spider-Man deal.

Rothman is known as a hard-driving negotiator, and some individuals who have worked with him in the past privately suggested the public breakup may be a tactic to try to get Disney to make concessions. If talks don’t resume, it will fall to producer Amy Pascal to deliver films that have the same creative zip as those that bore Feige’s imprint. That could grow more challenging now that Pascal has wrapped up an overall producing deal at Sony in favor of a new pact at Universal.

Tom Holland, the youthful British star who became a fan favorite, isn’t going anywhere soon. He is on the hook for two more films and could renegotiate his deal at some point in the future. Sony also enjoys licenses for some 900 other characters, tangentially related to Spider-Man, with which it is fashioning a Spider-verse. “Venom,” one of its first forays into cinematic universe-building was a darker adaptation with Tom Hardy and became a box office hit. The plan, insiders said, has always been to unite Holland’s Spider-Man and Hardy’s Venom in the same film. There’s also Jared Leto’s sexy vampire flick “Morbius” in the works, and a standalone film for “Kraven the Hunter.”

Future Spider-Man films may face a narrative challenge. The events of films like “Avengers: Infinity War” and “Endgame” are referenced heavily in the Sony’s Spider-Man films. Robert Downey Jr., now retired as Iron Man, appeared in Holland’s inaugural movie, assuming the role of mentor to Peter Parker. Stark’s death in “Endgame” colors the events of “Far From Home,” lending them a deeper emotional resonance. It’s unclear if future Spider-Man films can even reference the character, or the events of past Avengers outings.





Sony Pictures and Walt Disney Studios declined to comment on the matter.

Marvel may regret the decision down the road when it comes time to unite its top-shelf characters in one big-screen epic. But that’s not the priority. For now, the studio has made it clear that it is focused on creating origin stories for new characters. Its upcoming slate includes “The Eternals” with Angelina Jolie, “Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings” and a reboot of vampire hunter project “Blade” starring Mahershala Ali. There’s not a lot of opportunities there to assemble the super team that Stark once led and Spidey joined.

As one industry insider wryly noted : “If you didn’t notice, the movie was called ‘Endgame.’”

 

[playahaitian]

https://www.vox.com/culture/2019/8/22/20827020/spider-man-mcu-sony-disney-tom-holland

Why Spider-Man’s future in the MCU isn’t as bleak as it seems
Sony and Marvel both benefit greatly from keeping Spider-Man in the MCU. Both studios know this.

By Alex Abad-Santosalex@vox.com Aug 22, 2019, 4:20pm EDTShare this on Facebook (opens in new window)

• Share this on Twitter (opens in new window)

• SHAREAll sharing options

Robert Downey, Jr. and Tom Holland in Spider-Man: Homecoming.
Sony
Toward the end of Avengers: Endgame, Hawkeye is running with the Infinity Gauntlet, and asks Captain America what to do with it. To save the universe, they and their fellow Avengers need to get the Infinity Stones it holds to a safe place. But standing in their way is an army led by Thanos’s most fearsome generals, as well as Thanos himself.

Seeing as Hawkeye can’t get past all those foes on his own, the Avengers orchestrate a plan on the fly, passing the Gauntlet among themselves like relay racers headed to the finish line.

It just so happens that those who take a turn carrying the Gauntlet are all part of the next generation of Marvel’s flagship heroes. Black Panther takes it first, then hands it off to Spider-Man, a.k.a. Peter Parker. Next, as Thanos’s goons bear down on them, Captain Marvel comes in with the assist.

For fans, this scene is not just about defeating Thanos — it’s a literal handoff, as Marvel signals that Black Panther, Spider-Man, and Captain Marvel are ready to save the day and rule the Marvel Cinematic Universe, just as Iron Man, Captain America, and Thor did before them.

But this week, that symbolic passing of the torch hit a snag.

On August 20, news broke through anonymous sources that a deal between Sony and Marvel and gone sour. Because Sony owns the film rights to Spider-Man even though the character originated at Marvel Comics, the two studios’ recent partnership is the only reason that Spider-Man joined the MCU. But news reports suggested they’d hit an impasse while discussing the future of their Spider-Man agreement, with both sides ultimately walking away. The result: Spider-Man won’t appear in any Marvel films going forward.

The news throws both the future of Spider-Man and that of the MCU into disarray. Each side has its grievances and complaints, and fans are right to be concerned. But there is also a case for hope. Here’s why both sides may eventually find a way to let Peter Parker keep hanging out with his MCU pals.

The news of Spidey’s MCU demise is likely about negotiation and brinkmanship
An important thing to keep in mind: The entire story of the failed deal is probably part of a strategic play by Marvel or Sony, or even both studios, to gain an advantage in negotiations. Leaking this kind of news riles up fans who have taken a liking to the MCU iteration of Spider-Man and actor Tom Holland’s portrayal of him, and whose interest has led to positive audience reviews and huge box office hauls for 2017’s Spider-Man: Homecoming and this year’s Spider-Man: Far From Home.

Both of those solo Spidey films were set in the MCU and co-produced by Sony and Marvel, and outraged fan reaction to the idea that there won’t be any more of them puts pressure on both sides. Perhaps Marvel and its corporate parent, Disney, will have to accept less than the 50-50 co-financing stake they reportedly want. Perhaps Sony will have to budge a little and offer Marvel more than the estimated 5 percent of its gross revenue it is currently said to be sharing. All in the name of keeping Spider-Man in the MCU.

Sony has responded to news reports of its clash with Disney/Marvel not by actively addressing the issue of money and Marvel’s plea for a co-financing deal, but rather by focusing on Marvel Studios president Kevin Feige and placing the blame on Disney:

“Much of today’s news about Spider-Man has mischaracterized recent discussions about Kevin Feige’s involvement in the franchise. We are disappointed, but respect Disney’s decision not to have him continue as a lead producer of our next live-action Spider-Man film,” a Sony spokesperson said in an official statement obtained by the Hollywood Reporter.

“We hope this might change in the future,” the statement continued, “but understand that the many new responsibilities that Disney has given him — including all their newly added Marvel properties — do not allow time for him to work on IP they do not own. Kevin is terrific and we are grateful for his help and guidance and appreciate the path he has helped put us on, which we will continue.”

Sony’s attempt to change the subject to Feige’s busy schedule of upcoming Marvel projectscould indicate that it was a Disney source who leaked the news of stalled negotiations and framed Sony as selfish in the process. By publicly assigning blame to Disney, Sony is effectively signaling to Spider-Man fans that it wants Spider-Man to remain in the MCU but Disney won’t cooperate.

Meanwhile, anonymous sources speaking to the Hollywood Reporter have created a narrative that Sony believes it “doesn’t need ‘Kevin’s Playbook’ anymore” and that Disney has historically taken the higher road when it comes to financial opportunities concerning Spider-Man.

“Just getting Spider-Man in even one of their movies at the time, that was a stem cell infusion for Marvel,” one of the anonymous sources said.

Another source who was cited as a Sony insider added, “Tom [Rothman, Sony’s film head] is thinking ‘Okay, we’ve learned everything we need to from Kevin’s playbook. We did Venom on our own and we did Spider-Verse.’”

Disney hasn’t officially commented. But realistically, it’s hard to believe that either Disney/Marvel or Sony would proceed with Spider-Man not staying part of the MCU.

Aside from Captain America and Pepper Potts, there is no character with a greater attachment to Tony Stark than Spider-Man, and by virtue of that relationship, Marvel has appointed Spider-Man to carry on Tony’s legacy. Marvel would have to rethink and completely reshape its future movies if Spider-Man can’t be in them.

And Sony can’t deny that it has benefited greatly from the Avengers raising Spider-Man’s profile.

Spider-Man: Far From Home is now Sony’s biggest movie to date (having earned $1.1 billion worldwide). It was considered to be the final chapter in Marvel’s Phase 3 set of movies. And star Tom Holland has publicly lauded and gushed over the chance to work with Marvel and be part of the MCU (Holland also appears to be among those who are unhappy with Sony in particular, as he reportedly unfollowed the studio on Instagram after news of its Spidey spat broke).

Losing its Avengers connection — Far From Home included elements and storylines introduced in Endgame — certainly won’t help the Spider-Man franchise. And whispers of a sad or frustrated Holland won’t be something Sony wants to deal with whenever a new Spider-Man movie comes out.

So it’s not in either studio’s best interest to let this deal fall through.

How Spider-Man and the X-Men fit into Marvel’s future
Sony’s statement about Kevin Feige’s workload gets at a question that’s been on fans’ minds since 2017. And the question could come up at Marvel’s forthcoming presentation during this weekend’s D23 Expo: When is Marvel going to start using the X-Men and Fantastic Four in its movies?

For superhero fans, the big exclamation point on Disney’s recent acquisition of Fox’s entertainment assets (which was set into motion in 2017 and finalized in 2019) was that Marvel would finally have the film rights to the X-Men and Fantastic Four back in its catalog. (Marvel sold the film rights to those characters, along with the film rights to Spider-Man, after filing for bankruptcy in 1996.) And at San Diego Comic-Con in July, Feige confirmed that the mutants would be incorporated into the MCU.

Now eyes are on D23, and whether or not Feige will announce dates for any X-Men movies. Here’s Marvel’s confirmed movie schedule so far, which covers the studio’s plans until 2021:

• May 1, 2020 — Black Widow
• November 6, 2020 — The Eternals
• February 12, 2021 — Shang Chi
• May 7, 2021 — Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness
• November 5, 2021 — Thor: Love and Thunder

At some point, there will also be dates for the studio’s Black Panther and Captain Marvel sequels, as well as the third installments of Guardians of the Galaxy and Ant-Man. Add to that Blade (which was a surprise announcement at Comic-Con), and at least one Avengers-esque team-up movie peppered in somewhere.

As of this writing, if Marvel continues its recent pace of putting out two to three movies per year, its schedule is spoken for until around 2024, even if we don’t yet know its planned release dates. And, going back 2014, when Marvel announced its five-year film slate up until 2019, it’s conceivable that Marvel will reveal its 2022, 2023, and possibly 2024, schedule at D23. A surprise announcement that the X-Men or Fantastic Four are on the docket for 2024 or 2025 (an even bigger surprise would be seeing them earlier) could cap off the presentation.

As Sony justifiably points out, that’s a lot of projects for Feige to potentially be working on.

But there’s also historical evidence (perhaps to Sony’s chagrin) that Marvel values Spider-Man more than almost any other property it has. Not long after Marvel announced its five-year schedule of movies in 2014, Marvel and Sony announced their Spider-Man partnership in February 2015. Marvel then delayed the releases of Black Panther and Captain Marvel to open up space for Spider-Man: Homecoming, because of the name recognition of the character and Spidey’s importance to the story it would eventually tell.

Going by the two-year window between the first two Spider-Man movies, the next one should be due in 2021, possibly around the Fourth of July, like Far From Home — a spot that no Marvel Studios movie is slated to occupy (the studio tends to release its films earlier or later in the year, and all its current dates fall in February, May, or November).

But even if July 2021 won’t work for some reason, it wouldn’t be far-fetched for Marvel to reschedule Shang-Chi,the way it did with Black Panther or Captain Marvel,should a new deal with Sony come to fruition. And despite the anonymous reports and tales of impending demise, it’s a deal that Sony, Marvel, and of course Spider-Man fans, want to see.

 

[theoriginalgreatone]

hey I'm out of its not part of mcu... It's crazy. Just work together