***** OFFICIAL UFC 121 THREAD ~ Brock Lesnar Vs. Cain Velasquez ~ October 23rd, 2010

[ron_mexico]

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I can only imagine how stormfront.org is taking this.

I remember I checked that site out after the Sonnen steroid scandal broke..

If only you could see tumbleweeds on a message board. Not a peep from those bastards.

 

[SIDESHOW]

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did last night help

Who is it?

 

[wise]

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[MacNeverSlip]

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OMG!!!!!!!! my side is hurting

 

[wise]

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[ajamelh07]

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["THE MAN"]

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Why did I come back in here?! :groupwave

 

[SIDESHOW]

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*I just expired and went to Heaven*​

 

[hsm2448]

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not sure if this has been posted but

 

[Green Starbuck]

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[ReactQ]

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[LeroyDibiase]

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Brock still lifts fam....on Primetime he was lifting heavy at times....I just think he needs work on his weaknesses...which is game planing and striking....

next at 33 I don't see Brock being great in MMA....dude didn't even try to pull guard when Cain was on top of him twice....he just got in a fetal position....

when he got rock instead of countering...or going for a TD...or hanging in there he ran outta there....

and again had NO response on his back....

he better change camps or get more serious with his standup....it doesn't look good for his future...

You know what I mean. Of course he still lifts weights. He doesn't lift like he used too.

I still can't believe people were duped into thinking Brock could beat Fedor.

Wow.

He could've. Brock pre-illness was an aggressive bad ass motherfucker. Never saw him run like he has in the last two fights. That illness fucked him up.

 

[Deltronz]

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I'm really not sure which explanation to go with for Brock.

A. Brock was this elite fighter, beasting through competition...until he got sick. He came back to fight weak as hell, was able to somehow withstand power punches from Carwin, but showed signs of weakness for the first time. Then in his fight with Cain, Brock was too anxious when striking, which lead to him falling victim to Cain's precise blows. Cain won, but only because Brock is a much worse fighter than he was before getting sick.

B. Brock was physically gifted with strength, power, and size over most (if not all) his opponents. He came from a great wrestling background, but ultimately his physical strength is what edged him over ALL his opponents. As his doctors (not just random people online) stated, Brock had been fighting at 80% of his full strength prior succumbing to his sickness. He recovered, and was cleared to fight. His doctors (again, not random people online) stated that now he was actually at 100% strength for the first time in his MMA career. He fought a really powerful striker that, by many people's assessments, had Brock beaten, but the ref didn't call it. Went to a 2nd round where a gased Carwin was submitted by Brock. Then in Brock's next fight another powerful hitter, with much better cardio, again tested Brock's chin (which, until Carwin, had never been tested on that level before). Brock cowered and fled under the strikes until the ref, THIS TIME, called the match the right way.

I'm not sure which explaination to go with.

 

[shaddyvillethug]

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Damn brock


.....

 

[PinoNica.]

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Couldn't quite do a windmill.

 

[SaKem]

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I still can't believe people were duped into thinking Brock could beat Fedor.

Wow.

You know Fabricio Verdum beat fedor right?

 

[bajanbadman]

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[Dirty Hubcaps]

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the post fight gifs are hilarious. at miguel torres & diego sanchez being backup singers

 

[SIDESHOW]

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The MMA fans are serious with these GIFs... got damn.

 

[Johnny_2_Clips]

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I'm really not sure which explanation to go with for Brock.

A. Brock was this elite fighter, beasting through competition...until he got sick. He came back to fight weak as hell, was able to somehow withstand power punches from Carwin, but showed signs of weakness for the first time. Then in his fight with Cain, Brock was too anxious when striking, which lead to him falling victim to Cain's precise blows. Cain won, but only because Brock is a much worse fighter than he was before getting sick.

B. Brock was physically gifted with strength, power, and size over most (if not all) his opponents. He came from a great wrestling background, but ultimately his physical strength is what edged him over ALL his opponents. As his doctors (not just random people online) stated, Brock had been fighting at 80% of his full strength prior succumbing to his sickness. He recovered, and was cleared to fight. His doctors (again, not random people online) stated that now he was actually at 100% strength for the first time in his MMA career. He fought a really powerful striker that, by many people's assessments, had Brock beaten, but the ref didn't call it. Went to a 2nd round where a gased Carwin was submitted by Brock. Then in Brock's next fight another powerful hitter, with much better cardio, again tested Brock's chin (which, until Carwin, had never been tested on that level before). Brock cowered and fled under the strikes until the ref, THIS TIME, called the match the right way.

I'm not sure which explaination to go with.

I'm gonna spit some REAL truth to you cause honestly, people in here acting like they truly know what's going on. Brock is not 100%, no matter what you heard. His doctors say what Brock and his camp wants them to say. Not alot of people know but Lesnar was given a choice last year, fight Shane Carwin or give up his title. Do you expect Lesnar to sit there and make excuses only for people to just fire back with saying bullshit, and Brock is just afraid of Carwin and Cain.

I'm not gonna sit here and say I know Brock personally but I know behind the scenes shit other people don't. I called it like a month ago that Brock would try and stand with Cain just to prove a point. Some are even saying Lesnar is thinking about taking a long-extended break and try to allow his body to fully heal. Cain will be a great champ and I think he is only breaking the ceiling of what he could be. And hopefully Lesnar can come back to what he was before his sickness but there is doubt that will ever happen...

 

[mallorquin]

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You know Fabricio Verdum beat fedor right?

Fedor got submitted by Verdum, but you can't argue that he wouldn't lay "beat that ass hands" on Brock. Brock has never been able to withstand that chin getting touched.

 

[ajamelh07]

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Ive died

 

[hsm2448]

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the sickness bullshit is so stupid. brock losing to cain and almost losing to carwin is a direct result of him not having gone through years of striking. you cannot train yourself to be able to react and adapt to being hit in the face in a matter of a year or so. as soon as someone hits brock in the mouth he immediately loses all focus and his instinct is to cover up, thus exposing himself to a lot more damage.

 

[hsm2448]

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I'm gonna spit some REAL truth to you cause honestly, people in here acting like they truly know what's going on. Brock is not 100%, no matter what you heard. His doctors say what Brock and his camp wants them to say. Not alot of people know but Lesnar was given a choice last year, fight Shane Carwin or give up his title. Do you expect Lesnar to sit there and make excuses only for people to just fire back with saying bullshit, and Brock is just afraid of Carwin and Cain.

I'm not gonna sit here and say I know Brock personally but I know behind the scenes shit other people don't. I called it like a month ago that Brock would try and stand with Cain just to prove a point. Some are even saying Lesnar is thinking about taking a long-extended break and try to allow his body to fully heal. Cain will be a great champ and I think he is only breaking the ceiling of what he could be. And hopefully Lesnar can come back to what he was before his sickness but there is doubt that will ever happen...

Such as?

 

[johniz]

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You know Fabricio Verdum beat fedor right?

Sure did. Subbed him in the 1st round, just like Mir did to Brock intheir first meeting.

And look at Werdum's resume. Helluva fighter compared to Brock.

 

[Johnny_2_Clips]

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Such as?

Such as that I'm good friends with some fighters and a few who happened to train with Brock his past two fights. Like I said a few posts ago, the sickness isn't the main issue but it played a part.

 

[Deltronz]

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Such as?

Also, that sort of falls into the "random internet people" category. Until Brock's doctors (or at the very least Brock's camp) make an official comment that Brock was much weaker going into his recent fights, and admit they got his doctors to lie about their origInal statements, I stand by my previou post.

 

[cbm_redux]

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Wow..they just said Cain threw the heaviest punch ever recorded on sports science.

Bitch, please. None of those white-trash ham-and-eggers punches with anywhere near the force of a similarly sized boxer, period.

As for someone punching with +2000 pounds of force, that's preposterous bullshit. That's more force that is generated by a Muay Thai knee and a spinning back kick, two of the heaviest strikes that a human is capable of.

 

[LeroyDibiase]

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I'm really not sure which explanation to go with for Brock.

A. Brock was this elite fighter, beasting through competition...until he got sick. He came back to fight weak as hell, was able to somehow withstand power punches from Carwin, but showed signs of weakness for the first time. Then in his fight with Cain, Brock was too anxious when striking, which lead to him falling victim to Cain's precise blows. Cain won, but only because Brock is a much worse fighter than he was before getting sick.

B. Brock was physically gifted with strength, power, and size over most (if not all) his opponents. He came from a great wrestling background, but ultimately his physical strength is what edged him over ALL his opponents. As his doctors (not just random people online) stated, Brock had been fighting at 80% of his full strength prior succumbing to his sickness. He recovered, and was cleared to fight. His doctors (again, not random people online) stated that now he was actually at 100% strength for the first time in his MMA career. He fought a really powerful striker that, by many people's assessments, had Brock beaten, but the ref didn't call it. Went to a 2nd round where a gased Carwin was submitted by Brock. Then in Brock's next fight another powerful hitter, with much better cardio, again tested Brock's chin (which, until Carwin, had never been tested on that level before). Brock cowered and fled under the strikes until the ref, THIS TIME, called the match the right way.

I'm not sure which explaination to go with.

To me it's A. It's clearly A. He never "ran" from punches before like this. He stood in the paint against evevryone before getting sick. AND Cain is a very good fighter.

I'm gonna spit some REAL truth to you cause honestly, people in here acting like they truly know what's going on. Brock is not 100%, no matter what you heard. His doctors say what Brock and his camp wants them to say. Not alot of people know but Lesnar was given a choice last year, fight Shane Carwin or give up his title. Do you expect Lesnar to sit there and make excuses only for people to just fire back with saying bullshit, and Brock is just afraid of Carwin and Cain.

I'm not gonna sit here and say I know Brock personally but I know behind the scenes shit other people don't. I called it like a month ago that Brock would try and stand with Cain just to prove a point. Some are even saying Lesnar is thinking about taking a long-extended break and try to allow his body to fully heal. Cain will be a great champ and I think he is only breaking the ceiling of what he could be. And hopefully Lesnar can come back to what he was before his sickness but there is doubt that will ever happen...

I don't know Lesnar personally and I do know a lot of shit and I know he was basically rushed back to action. Part of that was Dana, part of that was Brock's own competitive spirit/thinking he was invincible. The disease that got him usually has a 2-3 year recovery period. Brock was back in 6 months. I don't think his mind has ever adjusted to coming back from that near death experience. If you know someone who's been near death and survived, you know what I mean. He'll always have an asterisk. But the haters will write the history of him being an overhyped whatever.

I mean look at the tons of athletes who have a life changing injury and never make it back mentally or physically. Jay Williams ring a bell?

 

[gene cisco]

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I'm really not sure which explanation to go with for Brock.

A. Brock was this elite fighter, beasting through competition...until he got sick. He came back to fight weak as hell, was able to somehow withstand power punches from Carwin, but showed signs of weakness for the first time. Then in his fight with Cain, Brock was too anxious when striking, which lead to him falling victim to Cain's precise blows. Cain won, but only because Brock is a much worse fighter than he was before getting sick.

B. Brock was physically gifted with strength, power, and size over most (if not all) his opponents. He came from a great wrestling background, but ultimately his physical strength is what edged him over ALL his opponents. As his doctors (not just random people online) stated, Brock had been fighting at 80% of his full strength prior succumbing to his sickness. He recovered, and was cleared to fight. His doctors (again, not random people online) stated that now he was actually at 100% strength for the first time in his MMA career. He fought a really powerful striker that, by many people's assessments, had Brock beaten, but the ref didn't call it. Went to a 2nd round where a gased Carwin was submitted by Brock. Then in Brock's next fight another powerful hitter, with much better cardio, again tested Brock's chin (which, until Carwin, had never been tested on that level before). Brock cowered and fled under the strikes until the ref, THIS TIME, called the match the right way.

I'm not sure which explaination to go with.

I think it is A.

But you can tell people almost came their pants when he lost. Brock had a lot of haters. A LOT OF HATERS.

How the hell you come back to fight in 6-7 months??????

First you have to gain all your strength and power back.

THEN, you have to let your body hold that level for a minute.

THEN, you start training for a fight.

That process would take a year at least for somebody that size.

I don't look for Brock to ever say shit, he doesn't seem the type, but you can tell something isn't right. Plus his whole attitude seemed to have changed since becoming ill.

Shit is like Rocky 3 and the first fight with Clubber, they need to take Brock, get him healthy and get that eye of the tiger shit back. He is acting like he is just happy to be alive.

 

[cranrab]

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I think it is A.

But you can tell people almost came their pants when he lost. Brock had a lot of haters. A LOT OF HATERS.

How the hell you come back to fight in 6-7 months??????

First you have to gain all your strength and power back.

THEN, you have to let your body hold that level for a minute.

THEN, you start training for a fight.

That process would take a year at least for somebody that size.

I don't look for Brock to ever say shit, he doesn't seem the type, but you can tell something isn't right. Plus his whole attitude seemed to have changed since becoming ill.

GC,

i think you and others are making a mountain out of a mole hill. unintentionally, i think you have grabbed on to this angle that others have put out there on a reach.

brock lesnar was diagnosed with diverticulosis and a performation, BUT NEVER HAD THE SURGERY TO REMOVE HIS COLON. (which would have been career ending).

the reason behind his 40 lb weight loss was due to 11 days of bed rest and not being able to eat (he was "fed" intravenously during that time).

not questioning that he had a disease that went untreated and encountered complications. not saying that he didn't have to regain weight and resume training in 7 months for his defense against carwin.

but i think this angle is an exaggeration to make an excuse for the loss.

 

[cranrab]

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but back to the fight.

did anyone think the change in brock lesnar's demeanor was due to the right hand that cain velasquez landed at the 4:38 mark?

when he landed that (and put the mouse under brock lesnar's eye) it seemed to me that brock lesnar didn't like that too much.

i thought it was funny too how joe rogan (and the stooge with him) used kid gloves in his commentary during the fight. normally joe rogan wouldn't hesitate to point out how poor an MMA fighter's skills are on the ground, but he never uttered a word about:

how brock lesnar repeatedly gave up side control, offering NO resistance

how brock lesnar failed to put cain velasquez in full guard (2:13 and again 1:43) or even a closed HALF guard!

 

[Johnny_2_Clips]

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GC,

i think you and others are making a mountain out of a mole hill. unintentionally, i think you have grabbed on to this angle that others have put out there on a reach.

brock lesnar was diagnosed with diverticulosis and a performation, BUT NEVER HAD THE SURGERY TO REMOVE HIS COLON. (which would have been career ending).

the reason behind his 40 lb weight loss was due to 11 days of bed rest and not being able to eat (he was "fed" intravenously during that time).

not questioning that he had a disease that went untreated and encountered complications. not saying that he didn't have to regain weight and resume training in 7 months for his defense against carwin.

but i think this angle is an exaggeration to make an excuse for the loss.

Lesnar still underwent surgery to close a perforation in his intestine. Like I stated before if you read post before typing. I said I'm not using this as an excuse. I'm not speaking for Brock or anyone. All I'm saying is Brock Lesnar is a shell of what he was a year ago. No point in even going on with this, because most people are gonna argue just because they don't like Lesnar or some bullshit. Don't really care either, I don't get paid by Lesnar or his camp to sit here on this matter, just figured I shed some truth on the matter.

Moving on...Anyone think they'll have Matt Hamill face the winner of Jones/Bader for a title shot?

As for Diego, I am really stuck in the middle. I think he will only be decent at 170 but could be an animal at 155 if he would only sharpen up on his boxing and take-down defense.

 

[younghustla]

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Lesnar still underwent surgery to close a perforation in his intestine. Like I stated before if you read post before typing. I said I'm not using this as an excuse. I'm not speaking for Brock or anyone. All I'm saying is Brock Lesnar is a shell of what he was a year ago. No point in even going on with this, because most people are gonna argue just because they don't like Lesnar or some bullshit. Don't really care either, I don't get paid by Lesnar or his camp to sit here on this matter, just figured I shed some truth on the matter.

Moving on...Anyone think they'll have Matt Hamill face the winner of Jones/Bader for a title shot?

As for Diego, I am really stuck in the middle. I think he will only be decent at 170 but could be an animal at 155 if he would only sharpen up on his boxing and take-down defense.

I think that Jones / Bader is secretly for a title shot. The big 4(Rua vs. Rashad & Rampage Vs. Machida)are all set to fight each other in the second leg of a defacto tournament. The UFC needs to put a few new cats into the LHW title mix. The Jones/ Bader winner should be the first person.

Diego knew that he can't beat Penn, so he went to 170 after getting his white meat exposed by BJ. Now that BJ isn't the champ, he might as well move down to a better division based on his height.

 

[Johnny_2_Clips]

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I think that Jones / Bader is secretly for a title shot. The big 4(Rua vs. Rashad & Rampage Vs. Machida)are all set to fight each other in the second leg of a defacto tournament. The UFC needs to put a few new cats into the LHW title mix. The Jones/ Bader winner should be the first person.

Diego knew that he can't beat Penn, so he went to 170 after getting his white meat exposed by BJ. Now that BJ isn't the champ, he might as well move down to a better division based on his height.

The 205 division seems top-heavy to me. Rua/Rashad should be a great match-up but if Rashad doesn't go back to his wrestling roots and really mix things up better, Rua gonna knock his ass out quick.

Rampage looked old and sloppy in his last fight and I don't know if that was due to lack of training leading up to Rashad or what but if he doesn't show something in this fight, I think it is safe to say that Machida will bait his ass along for a TKO and Rampage's career may slowly be coming to an end.

As for Jones/Bader, I can understand why some people feel Jones will run through him but I learned that it's hard to compare past and future opponents. Jones has the striking game no doubt. As for wrestling, I might have to say even because both are near the top when it comes to that and both were collegiate wrestlers. I gotta give it to Jones by TKO in possibly round 2. Should be an exciting fight as both are young, hungry, and very talented.

As for Matt Hamill, I think he is a lesser version of Tito Ortiz. Well-rounded in some areas but will never be a top contender or champion. Good guy but decent-above average fighter at best.