Re: [[[[ OFFICIAL UFC 141 hype thread ]]]]] ----- Friday, Dec. 30th - Lesnar / Overe
Right?
2011 we still doing Boxing Vs MMA really...?
Right?
[[[[ OFFICIAL UFC 141 hype thread ]]]]] ----- Friday, Dec. 30th - Lesnar / Overeem!!
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Re: [[[[ OFFICIAL UFC 141 hype thread ]]]]] ----- Friday, Dec. 30th - Lesnar / Overe
Re: [[[[ OFFICIAL UFC 141 hype thread ]]]]] ----- Friday, Dec. 30th - Lesnar / Overe
I see your point...I just disagree with the yearning part...I think the world would love it, die hard boxing fans only crave that... in order for casual fans to tune in to a PPV..and bring big money the HW champ has to be a great fighter with a personality (Ali) or a destructive force with a wild personality (Tyson) When the biggest fighters in the world are the likes of Manny, Delahoya, Leonard, etc people don't tune in wishing they were bigger.
I see your point...I just disagree with the yearning part...I think the world would love it, die hard boxing fans only crave that... in order for casual fans to tune in to a PPV..and bring big money the HW champ has to be a great fighter with a personality (Ali) or a destructive force with a wild personality (Tyson) When the biggest fighters in the world are the likes of Manny, Delahoya, Leonard, etc people don't tune in wishing they were bigger.
Re: [[[[ OFFICIAL UFC 141 hype thread ]]]]] ----- Friday, Dec. 30th - Lesnar / Overe
It is still catching on in the black community. Old heads were fighting it hard. Still are. But now we have Bones Jones.
Furthermore, people don't know what they have the stomach for. A true FIGHT fan wants to see the best fighters. There was a time when the heavyweight boxer was the toughest man on the planet. We now know the cat in MMA is.
Grappling has been cut down to bring in the casual fan, but it still is a big part.
Just wait until more mma gyms pop up in the hood. No doubt in the street the mma cat is more than likely going to stomp the boxing cat -- all other things being equal. Cats will be in a boxing gym like
"what's a double leg? What's sprawling? What's a guard? Whats a teep?" 
Shit will catch on. Black people will dominate. Since Americans will be dominating, it will get bigger than boxing.
It is still catching on in the black community. Old heads were fighting it hard. Still are. But now we have Bones Jones.
Furthermore, people don't know what they have the stomach for. A true FIGHT fan wants to see the best fighters. There was a time when the heavyweight boxer was the toughest man on the planet. We now know the cat in MMA is.
Grappling has been cut down to bring in the casual fan, but it still is a big part.
Just wait until more mma gyms pop up in the hood. No doubt in the street the mma cat is more than likely going to stomp the boxing cat -- all other things being equal. Cats will be in a boxing gym like
"what's a double leg? What's sprawling? What's a guard? Whats a teep?" Shit will catch on. Black people will dominate. Since Americans will be dominating, it will get bigger than boxing.
Re: [[[[ OFFICIAL UFC 141 hype thread ]]]]] ----- Friday, Dec. 30th - Lesnar / Overe
fights up at piratebay for those who missed it live
http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/692...._Brock_Lesnar__UFC_141__(Single_Battle)_work
fight only no prelims
fights up at piratebay for those who missed it live
http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/692...._Brock_Lesnar__UFC_141__(Single_Battle)_work
fight only no prelims
Re: [[[[ OFFICIAL UFC 141 hype thread ]]]]] ----- Friday, Dec. 30th - Lesnar / Overe
both sports can co exist...Boxers now helping MMA...
MMA fighters respect Boxers...hell Boxing been around longer than Television!
it deserves respect...I love Martial Arts...if it wasn't for Traditional Martial Arts I wouldn't be a die hard MMA fan...
I respect all combat sports...I watch everything from K1 to Dream to Strikeforce to Boxing...
both sports can co exist...Boxers now helping MMA...
MMA fighters respect Boxers...hell Boxing been around longer than Television!
it deserves respect...I love Martial Arts...if it wasn't for Traditional Martial Arts I wouldn't be a die hard MMA fan...
I respect all combat sports...I watch everything from K1 to Dream to Strikeforce to Boxing...
Re: [[[[ OFFICIAL UFC 141 hype thread ]]]]] ----- Friday, Dec. 30th - Lesnar / Overe
Exactly. Yeah, they're both combat sports, but when it comes down to it, it's apples and oranges.
and I love me both some apples and oranges...
Exactly. Yeah, they're both combat sports, but when it comes down to it, it's apples and oranges.
and I love me both some apples and oranges...
Re: [[[[ OFFICIAL UFC 141 hype thread ]]]]] ----- Friday, Dec. 30th - Lesnar / Overe
Fuck it man on every Big Boxing PPV and every Big MMA PPV it should be one fight that is a Boxer vs MMA fighter and then all this shit can be settled.......
Fuck it man on every Big Boxing PPV and every Big MMA PPV it should be one fight that is a Boxer vs MMA fighter and then all this shit can be settled.......
Re: [[[[ OFFICIAL UFC 141 hype thread ]]]]] ----- Friday, Dec. 30th - Lesnar / Overe
Zactly. I have always been a fan of boxing, now I only like boxing when applied in a real fight (MMA). Don't understand why boxing heads don't get this.
2011 we still doing Boxing Vs MMA really...?
Zactly. I have always been a fan of boxing, now I only like boxing when applied in a real fight (MMA). Don't understand why boxing heads don't get this.
Re: [[[[ OFFICIAL UFC 141 hype thread ]]]]] ----- Friday, Dec. 30th - Lesnar / Overe
Bob Arum and other boxing cats are still going in on MMA, so what are you talking about?
Cats on this very board still think grappling is "gay".
Why the hell would a young person take up boxing when they can take up MMA? MMA is superior. Boxing is now where you go when you can't cut it in MMA. (Boxing is also an important part of MMA so you can still see it watching a MMA fight.)
2011 we still doing Boxing Vs MMA really...?
Bob Arum and other boxing cats are still going in on MMA, so what are you talking about?
Cats on this very board still think grappling is "gay".
Why the hell would a young person take up boxing when they can take up MMA? MMA is superior. Boxing is now where you go when you can't cut it in MMA. (Boxing is also an important part of MMA so you can still see it watching a MMA fight.)
Re: [[[[ OFFICIAL UFC 141 hype thread ]]]]] ----- Friday, Dec. 30th - Lesnar / Overe
My bad, that one went over your head.
My bad, that one went over your head.
Re: [[[[ OFFICIAL UFC 141 hype thread ]]]]] ----- Friday, Dec. 30th - Lesnar / Overe
ppl do tune in Mayweather did 1.5 PPV buys for that Ortiz fight thats the bigger than any UFC event in 2011...no hate...Boxing is like MMA its a niche sport...
Boxing will never die too much money...too much history...I don't know why someone would want Boxing to die thats just foolish...
only insecure fans would want to see that...
the Diaz Bros. train with Andre Ward a current world class boxer...they are both great sports...
ppl do tune in Mayweather did 1.5 PPV buys for that Ortiz fight thats the bigger than any UFC event in 2011...no hate...Boxing is like MMA its a niche sport...
Boxing will never die too much money...too much history...I don't know why someone would want Boxing to die thats just foolish...
only insecure fans would want to see that...
the Diaz Bros. train with Andre Ward a current world class boxer...they are both great sports...
Re: [[[[ OFFICIAL UFC 141 hype thread ]]]]] ----- Friday, Dec. 30th - Lesnar / Overe
My bad, that one went over your head. Do you disagree with Brock being the biggest draw, next to GSP?
My bad, that one went over your head. Do you disagree with Brock being the biggest draw, next to GSP?
Re: [[[[ OFFICIAL UFC 141 hype thread ]]]]] ----- Friday, Dec. 30th - Lesnar / Overe
The thing is to be good at MMA, you have to train boxing. You don't train other arts in boxing.
Basically, if you are 14-years-old and have to choose which gym to train at, you would be a damn fool to concentrate on boxing alone. You are going to the gym where you can work on your boxing, then work on your ground game and other striking(legs).
It's not that the sports can't coexist, but I think boxing will be filled with cats who couldn't cut it in an MMA gym.
The thing is to be good at MMA, you have to train boxing. You don't train other arts in boxing.
Basically, if you are 14-years-old and have to choose which gym to train at, you would be a damn fool to concentrate on boxing alone. You are going to the gym where you can work on your boxing, then work on your ground game and other striking(legs).
It's not that the sports can't coexist, but I think boxing will be filled with cats who couldn't cut it in an MMA gym.
Re: [[[[ OFFICIAL UFC 141 hype thread ]]]]] ----- Friday, Dec. 30th - Lesnar / Overe
These^^^^^^
Anyone have a link for it (props on the torrent but I don't mess with them)?
I missed it being out the house but it seems like something I'd like to see.
2011 we still doing Boxing Vs MMA really...?
These^^^^^^
Anyone have a link for it (props on the torrent but I don't mess with them)?
I missed it being out the house but it seems like something I'd like to see.
Re: [[[[ OFFICIAL UFC 141 hype thread ]]]]] ----- Friday, Dec. 30th - Lesnar / Overe
I know the numbers that boxing does...my point was that the HW division won't do numbers unless things changes. I said boxing will never die.
I know the numbers that boxing does...my point was that the HW division won't do numbers unless things changes. I said boxing will never die.
Re: [[[[ OFFICIAL UFC 141 hype thread ]]]]] ----- Friday, Dec. 30th - Lesnar / Overe
I am not disagreeing on that part but Kimbo having more heart than Lesnar, eh
I am not disagreeing on that part but Kimbo having more heart than Lesnar, eh
Re: [[[[ OFFICIAL UFC 141 hype thread ]]]]] ----- Friday, Dec. 30th - Lesnar / Overe
Arum speaks for all boxing fans....
are you insecure MMA fan bruh....?
you like MMA who gives a fuck about what others think...?
why does it matter?
Arum speaks for all boxing fans....
are you insecure MMA fan bruh....?
you like MMA who gives a fuck about what others think...?
why does it matter?
Re: [[[[ OFFICIAL UFC 141 hype thread ]]]]] ----- Friday, Dec. 30th - Lesnar / Overe
You right about that. I can't remember another era where heavyweight title fights weren't even televised in the US.
Keep an eye out for Seth Mitchell tho...
You right about that. I can't remember another era where heavyweight title fights weren't even televised in the US.
Keep an eye out for Seth Mitchell tho...
Re: [[[[ OFFICIAL UFC 141 hype thread ]]]]] ----- Friday, Dec. 30th - Lesnar / Overe
http://www.fightvideomma.com/2011/12/brock-lesnar-vs-alistair-overeem-fight.html
http://www.fightvideomma.com/2011/12/brock-lesnar-vs-alistair-overeem-fight.html
Re: [[[[ OFFICIAL UFC 141 hype thread ]]]]] ----- Friday, Dec. 30th - Lesnar / Overe
Uhhh...what do you mean by that. I try to get people to watch MMA..as soon as a couple of chicks I know see the blood on the mat from the previous match they are grossed out. Shit I know a dude that loves boxing more than anybody on this board and probably in the history of the world..a real boxing fan, geek,..and he actually told me MMA is too brutal. Trust me..knees to the face and broken bones like Mir just gave to Nog are too much for some.
Uhhh...what do you mean by that. I try to get people to watch MMA..as soon as a couple of chicks I know see the blood on the mat from the previous match they are grossed out. Shit I know a dude that loves boxing more than anybody on this board and probably in the history of the world..a real boxing fan, geek,..and he actually told me MMA is too brutal. Trust me..knees to the face and broken bones like Mir just gave to Nog are too much for some.
Re: [[[[ OFFICIAL UFC 141 hype thread ]]]]] ----- Friday, Dec. 30th - Lesnar / Overe
Why he will get beasted on soon enough
Why he will get beasted on soon enough
Re: [[[[ OFFICIAL UFC 141 hype thread ]]]]] ----- Friday, Dec. 30th - Lesnar / Overe
Insecure? Not at all. I want to see us dominate the superior art -- which uses BOXING. Our athletes have been limiting themselves with boxing.
Just as the NBA and NFL has taken from the boxing talent pool, MMA will too. I love boxing. I still train it.
You can't deny that boxing talent in the heavier divisions is being taken by the NBA and NFL. I see the same thing happening with MMA(in lighter divisions). It's not hate. Why train solely at a boxing gym when I can learn boxing and other arts down the street. If Jones stays dominant, it will change the fucking game.....
Arum speaks for all boxing fans....
are you insecure MMA fan bruh....?
you like MMA who gives a fuck about what others think...?
why does it matter?
Insecure? Not at all. I want to see us dominate the superior art -- which uses BOXING. Our athletes have been limiting themselves with boxing.
Just as the NBA and NFL has taken from the boxing talent pool, MMA will too. I love boxing. I still train it.
You can't deny that boxing talent in the heavier divisions is being taken by the NBA and NFL. I see the same thing happening with MMA(in lighter divisions). It's not hate. Why train solely at a boxing gym when I can learn boxing and other arts down the street. If Jones stays dominant, it will change the fucking game.....
Re: [[[[ OFFICIAL UFC 141 hype thread ]]]]] ----- Friday, Dec. 30th - Lesnar / Overe
Look Kimbo had no business in there either. The fact that Kimbo became famous by street fighting, with no gloves. You never saw him doing cart-wheels in the cage, or taking knees and giving up.
Not a better fighter, but definitely more heart.
Brilliant marketing...
I am not disagreeing on that part but Kimbo having more heart than Lesnar, eh
Look Kimbo had no business in there either. The fact that Kimbo became famous by street fighting, with no gloves. You never saw him doing cart-wheels in the cage, or taking knees and giving up.
Not a better fighter, but definitely more heart.
Brilliant marketing...
Re: [[[[ OFFICIAL UFC 141 hype thread ]]]]] ----- Friday, Dec. 30th - Lesnar / Overe
and the UFC is gonna have a lot of trouble with their HW div still..people see a poster or commercial with those two big animals tonight..and tune in and see that awkward shit...and basically a couple of knees and Brock looks like it was his first fight, that kind of shit will be hard to sell in the future especially on the heels of JDS one punch in a few seconds over Cain on free t.v. There big matches are just not delivering.
and the UFC is gonna have a lot of trouble with their HW div still..people see a poster or commercial with those two big animals tonight..and tune in and see that awkward shit...and basically a couple of knees and Brock looks like it was his first fight, that kind of shit will be hard to sell in the future especially on the heels of JDS one punch in a few seconds over Cain on free t.v. There big matches are just not delivering.
Re: [[[[ OFFICIAL UFC 141 hype thread ]]]]] ----- Friday, Dec. 30th - Lesnar / Overe
I've had the opposite experience. I go out to BW3 and the place is packed. I have been with chicks who have never seen a MMA fight and when they see it they are like
...." Where they do that at?"
MMA is still new. Folks that will truly turn the tide are still in grade school. Watching boxing to me is like watching a wrestling match or a BJJ match. It just seems so limited.
I've had the opposite experience. I go out to BW3 and the place is packed. I have been with chicks who have never seen a MMA fight and when they see it they are like
...." Where they do that at?"MMA is still new. Folks that will truly turn the tide are still in grade school. Watching boxing to me is like watching a wrestling match or a BJJ match. It just seems so limited.
Re: [[[[ OFFICIAL UFC 141 hype thread ]]]]] ----- Friday, Dec. 30th - Lesnar / Overe
I see what you're thinking..but one reason that is many years away is that MMA is still an expensive ass sport and to get the dudes from the ghetto will be a tougher task. That shit ain't gonna just pop up in the hood because there is no money in the hood. Jones has the color to attract attention, but if you hear him talk it will be a turn off to certain types. Blacks may dominate, but it will be more of the same like Jones. College wrestlers coming into MMA. Most boxers are not the college type if you know the history of it. I train MMA, black dudes have been showing up since Jones got popular, but they come and they go once they get in there and get rode on and choked by a big musty white dude for two hours.It is still catching on in the black community. Old heads were fighting it hard. Still are. But now we have Bones Jones.
Furthermore, people don't know what they have the stomach for. A true FIGHT fan wants to see the best fighters. There was a time when the heavyweight boxer was the toughest man on the planet. We now know the cat in MMA is.
Grappling has been cut down to bring in the casual fan, but it still is a big part.
Just wait until more mma gyms pop up in the hood. No doubt in the street the mma cat is more than likely going to stomp the boxing cat -- all other things being equal. Cats will be in a boxing gym like
Re: [[[[ OFFICIAL UFC 141 hype thread ]]]]] ----- Friday, Dec. 30th - Lesnar / Overe
Statistically, the heavier weight classes (in real fighting), finish early. Majority of folks, including me, tuned in to see exactly what happened (Brock getting his ass beat). That's delivering.
Statistically, the heavier weight classes (in real fighting), finish early. Majority of folks, including me, tuned in to see exactly what happened (Brock getting his ass beat). That's delivering.
Re: [[[[ OFFICIAL UFC 141 hype thread ]]]]] ----- Friday, Dec. 30th - Lesnar / Overe
I feel you
a 6'5 250 lb man does not want to get hit in the face...they are other sports money can be made...look at all the legendary Heavy weights all fucked up from Boxing...
the youth see that & they turn to Basketball or Football...
imagine Bron, Julius Peppers, Cam Newton as boxers...the sport will never be America's top sport again...
its far more dangerous than MMA...you are force to trade with no options like MMA...which means continuous punching to the head
Boxing is part of American History literally...thats why cats need to chill bashing the sport...
even B-Hop & the Mayweathers have been training MMA fighters...everyone have changed their view...they can both be sucessful....
I feel you
a 6'5 250 lb man does not want to get hit in the face...they are other sports money can be made
...look at all the legendary Heavy weights all fucked up from Boxing...the youth see that & they turn to Basketball or Football...
imagine Bron, Julius Peppers, Cam Newton as boxers...the sport will never be America's top sport again...
its far more dangerous than MMA...you are force to trade with no options like MMA...which means continuous punching to the head
Boxing is part of American History literally...thats why cats need to chill bashing the sport...
even B-Hop & the Mayweathers have been training MMA fighters...everyone have changed their view...they can both be sucessful....
Re: [[[[ OFFICIAL UFC 141 hype thread ]]]]] ----- Friday, Dec. 30th - Lesnar / Overe
I agree, it's new. I just think if MMA is taken over by Black guys, it will not be by people like Tyson or Hopkins, in other words, people the hood looks up to because they can relate and know people like that. It will be the Jones and Evans of the world. College boys.
I've had the opposite experience. I go out to BW3 and the place is packed. I have been with chicks who have never seen a MMA fight and when they see it they are like
MMA is still new. Folks that will truly turn the tide are still in grade school. Watching boxing to me is like watching a wrestling match or a BJJ match. It just seems so limited.
I agree, it's new. I just think if MMA is taken over by Black guys, it will not be by people like Tyson or Hopkins, in other words, people the hood looks up to because they can relate and know people like that. It will be the Jones and Evans of the world. College boys.
Re: [[[[ OFFICIAL UFC 141 hype thread ]]]]] ----- Friday, Dec. 30th - Lesnar / Overe
No disrespect but this post is complete bullshit.
MMA fighters learn boxing true but how much of their time is spent on boxing, maybe a quarter of their training if that?
Also boxers, particularly the great ones, study boxing generally from the ages of 5-10 and do it regularly. You can't do that in MMA its impossible since you have so much other shit to learn.
The boxing thats used and utilized in the MMA is completely different than what world class boxers use. The boxing I see in MMA by the top guys would get them their asses handed to them by mid card boxing guys. To become a Floyd Mayweather or Roy Jones you have to learn and train at boxing exclusively almost daily to reach that level. IF your training at MMA you can't do that.
As far as what a 14 should choose it depends. If your speaking regular guys like you and I who aren't either sports as professionals and may just be looking to learn self defense then I would absolutely agree that MMA is the way to go as its the closest to a street fight you can get in an organized safe setting.
However if we're speaking in terms of pursuing a profession I would disagree. Boxers can make far more money, and eventually have far more control over their careers, with much less damage to their body than MMA cats can.
Think about this: by most accounts boxing is in somewhat of a rut, most all people would agree with this. Hell Light Heavy to Heavyweight is virtually non-existent right now. Yet even at this moment boxing makes more money all together than MMA does and boxers with fame make way more money than their MMA peers. All of this while MMA is receiving maximum exposure and is riding a high. So imaging if boxing were to go through a boom period (which it will at some point).
Fighters like Amir Khan who is only somewhat known and famous make more than their MMA counterparts who are more famous and fight more often. So as far as career I would give boxing the advantage at this point.
In the future who knows.
As far as your last statement that boxing gyms are going to be filled with guys who couldn't cut it in MMA the exact opposite is true right now. If an MMA guy could make it in boxing there is no way he'd be taking less money, have less control of his career, have to take more physical damage, and have to fight way more often if he could cut it in boxing and make way more if he makes it.
Damn that was quick good looking out playboy
No disrespect but this post is complete bullshit.
MMA fighters learn boxing true but how much of their time is spent on boxing, maybe a quarter of their training if that?
Also boxers, particularly the great ones, study boxing generally from the ages of 5-10 and do it regularly. You can't do that in MMA its impossible since you have so much other shit to learn.
The boxing thats used and utilized in the MMA is completely different than what world class boxers use. The boxing I see in MMA by the top guys would get them their asses handed to them by mid card boxing guys. To become a Floyd Mayweather or Roy Jones you have to learn and train at boxing exclusively almost daily to reach that level. IF your training at MMA you can't do that.
As far as what a 14 should choose it depends. If your speaking regular guys like you and I who aren't either sports as professionals and may just be looking to learn self defense then I would absolutely agree that MMA is the way to go as its the closest to a street fight you can get in an organized safe setting.
However if we're speaking in terms of pursuing a profession I would disagree. Boxers can make far more money, and eventually have far more control over their careers, with much less damage to their body than MMA cats can.
Think about this: by most accounts boxing is in somewhat of a rut, most all people would agree with this. Hell Light Heavy to Heavyweight is virtually non-existent right now. Yet even at this moment boxing makes more money all together than MMA does and boxers with fame make way more money than their MMA peers. All of this while MMA is receiving maximum exposure and is riding a high. So imaging if boxing were to go through a boom period (which it will at some point).
Fighters like Amir Khan who is only somewhat known and famous make more than their MMA counterparts who are more famous and fight more often. So as far as career I would give boxing the advantage at this point.
In the future who knows.
As far as your last statement that boxing gyms are going to be filled with guys who couldn't cut it in MMA the exact opposite is true right now. If an MMA guy could make it in boxing there is no way he'd be taking less money, have less control of his career, have to take more physical damage, and have to fight way more often if he could cut it in boxing and make way more if he makes it.
Damn that was quick good looking out playboy
Re: [[[[ OFFICIAL UFC 141 hype thread ]]]]] ----- Friday, Dec. 30th - Lesnar / Overe
honestly Boxing takes much more skill to master because your so limited...its a much more difficult sport...less options...you have a small window to attack...you must stand & trade at all times....sweet science for real
its much more dangerous...Boxers not only take punishment in the ring but sparring regularly...
MMA is great...I've been watching since Pride...I've been into the sport for a long time...
I've had the opposite experience. I go out to BW3 and the place is packed. I have been with chicks who have never seen a MMA fight and when they see it they are like
MMA is still new. Folks that will truly turn the tide are still in grade school. Watching boxing to me is like watching a wrestling match or a BJJ match. It just seems so limited.
honestly Boxing takes much more skill to master because your so limited...its a much more difficult sport...less options...you have a small window to attack...you must stand & trade at all times....sweet science for real
its much more dangerous...Boxers not only take punishment in the ring but sparring regularly...
MMA is great...I've been watching since Pride...I've been into the sport for a long time...
Re: [[[[ OFFICIAL UFC 141 hype thread ]]]]] ----- Friday, Dec. 30th - Lesnar / Overe
I'm re-watching the diaz-cerrone fight and Diaz was on point tonight. Career performance right here.
I'm re-watching the diaz-cerrone fight and Diaz was on point tonight. Career performance right here.
