Yes...I understand that. I assumed everyone who knows about Plaugus realizes he is understood to be dead, but also realizes his character has the potential to cheat death through his knowledge of the force.
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Yes...I understand that. I assumed everyone who knows about Plaugus realizes he is understood to be dead, but also realizes his character has the potential to cheat death through his knowledge of the force.
Well this is interesting.
http://www.ign.com/articles/2015/12...nt page)&utm_content=20&utm_campaign=Blogroll
"The script also emphasizes the fear felt within Ren during his battle with Rey, noting Ridley's character nearly killed him before she realized she was standing "on a greater edge than even the cliff — the edge of the dark side." As such, it's clear Rey also feels the pull of the dark side. In fact, the novelization says she hears an "amorphous" voice telling her kill Ren, which, according to the audio book, appears to be Supreme Leader Snoke"
So Luke at least does know who she is and Skywalkers tend to have a dark side.
http://www.ign.com/articles/2015/12...nt page)&utm_content=20&utm_campaign=Blogroll
"The script also emphasizes the fear felt within Ren during his battle with Rey, noting Ridley's character nearly killed him before she realized she was standing "on a greater edge than even the cliff — the edge of the dark side." As such, it's clear Rey also feels the pull of the dark side. In fact, the novelization says she hears an "amorphous" voice telling her kill Ren, which, according to the audio book, appears to be Supreme Leader Snoke"
So Luke at least does know who she is and Skywalkers tend to have a dark side.
but heres the thing that people are annoyed with and I'm sure the backlash will get bigger once the new smell wears off. The titles of both films alone suggests something new or different.
Anyone familiar with Rocky knows Apollo Creed was a completely different personality therefore his son should be a new or different look as well.
As with TFA..a story that takes place 30 YEARS AFTER ROTJ.
That being the case should we really be seeing Adonis running in philly streets, chasing chickens, getting his face blasted to pulp in the same way Rocky did?
Did Rey really have to come from a desert planet, or there needed to be an even bigger death star, did we need another cantina scene?
For people NEW to star wars these same scenes don't matter but for people very familiar its a bit of a let down that they didn't try to go in another direction while still hitting the same beats and rhythms.
Geechie I look at it as "Those who do not learn history are doomed to repeat it" with TFA. The First Order wanted to be The Empire badly and made the same mistakes. You keep waiting for this backlash but every movie gets backlash before, during and after release. Plus it is not a 1 and done movie. There are 2 more episodes and side stories. No matter what certain people just will not like it. Hell it would be worse if they followed the EU stuff.
Complaints. They are few and far between.
As I have said before, i have seen the same movie over and over again. My only concern is that I enjoyed the hell out of the movie. It is not Citizen Cain, Memento, Alien, Bladerunner, Godfather, Apocalpsye Now, Duel, Inception or any of the other groundbreaking films.
So we can agree to disagree. I hated the prequels when I saw them and I saw them all in the theaters. I even tried to rationalize TPM being a decent movie. It lasted a week. The more I see TFA, the more I enjoy it. I have seen it three times. I did not see the prequels more than once. I saw ESB in the theaters 6 times when it came out. I saw ANH once. I saw ROTJ twice. I am going to peep TFA again, and yes... It is similar, but the characters and store is so much better than ANH. I can find many similarities in films, but TFA did it's job and better than I expected.
Bigdaddybuk spitting that hot fire
Pirate has a slight case, but buk has the reasons!
I only disagree with buk on is the dark knight
He hates batman being a secret agent and only using his arms and elbows to attack enemies
Pirate has a slight case, but buk has the reasons!
I only disagree with buk on is the dark knight
He hates batman being a secret agent and only using his arms and elbows to attack enemies
Bruh, they showed us this:
And this:
And this:
And this:
And this:
Apparently it's my fault thinking we were going to get this:
and this:
or this:
They marketed Finn to People of Color a certain way, but it's my fault for thinking Finn would be much more than what he was....
. I wish they treated his character with more dignity, instead of doing what they did. Cats will fall on their swords (lightsabers) defending the character/film, but I'll still stand by the fact they made that dude drink pig water and get saved in damn near every fight he was in.Hoping they do him some justice come Episode 8.
Lmao ^
The movie was good, not great but solid.
Im disappointed in Finn. Dont understand why they felt the need to pull the bait and switch, it wasnt necessary. But even beyond that, his main attributes are a good heart and resourcefulness. Kinda Meh. I also feel that they weakened him by making him fall in love.
They have got to come up with another model then apprentice guided by shadowy master for bad guys. Theres gotta be something else they can think of. And yes i know Yoda said theres always two. I hope they make the master interesting this time at least.
The final battle made no sense. The script details released recently explains it a little better, but its still too big a leap that someone with no lightsaber training can pull it off.
Lastly, Ren seemed like a worthy opponent at first, but he was revealed to be nothing more then a petulant child.
Im disappointed in Finn. Dont understand why they felt the need to pull the bait and switch, it wasnt necessary. But even beyond that, his main attributes are a good heart and resourcefulness. Kinda Meh. I also feel that they weakened him by making him fall in love.
They have got to come up with another model then apprentice guided by shadowy master for bad guys. Theres gotta be something else they can think of. And yes i know Yoda said theres always two. I hope they make the master interesting this time at least.
The final battle made no sense. The script details released recently explains it a little better, but its still too big a leap that someone with no lightsaber training can pull it off.
Lastly, Ren seemed like a worthy opponent at first, but he was revealed to be nothing more then a petulant child.
Please, this was easily my biggest complaint with the movie. The First Order was shocking weak. Their leadership was weak and their fighters were weak.
How is it possible for Kylo having known the force from his mother and father. Hinted at being trained by Luke and the his current master for years get his ass kicked by a girl that just became aware of the force and from what we know just picked up a light saber for the 1st time?
Ridiculous, Sure he's not a Jedi and more like an apprentice. But with all of his training he can't beat someone like Rea at this early stage? This is the 2nd in command of The First Order?
Weak!
Agreed! But how could he not be strong
If he needs t complete his training after being trained by Luke initially and his Dark master just to be able to keep up with Finn and a girl that just picked up a Sabber and learns to use the force a little bet today. Then he doesn't deserve further training because no triain
reminiscent and damn near shot for shot are two different things..
as I stated earilier
*okay they are starting rei off REALLY HIGH..she has gifted force abilities and was able to use the jedi mind trick (tho no one told her that was even possible considering she thought luke and the force was a myth)... she BESTED a trained force adept in her first dual with NO TRAINING and used force telekinesis to draw a lightsaber away from him. Luke on the other hand had trouble using force techiques even when trained by yoda.. so either kylo ren is super soft or rei is a fucking super saiyan jedi.
The way they set her up I don't see much tension in her battles with ren in the future episodes. It will be interesting to see how other directors play that out.
* An even larger death star??? again?? seriously??they even lampooned it by coming up with a half assed plan to bring it down much in the SAME WAY...this makes the empire look more and more stupid and the plotting just lazy as we go at this point
* for a franchise called STAR wars not much action happened IN SPACE..all major battles and dog fighting action scenes took place in the skies of a planet. Something just felt off about that. It was like JJ Abrams wasn't really interest or could be bothered to do any actual space battle scenes except that brief one where finn and poe escape.
* So R2 just sat inert all this time for what exactly?? then come to find out this nigga had the map all along?? Was there a reason he kept this info from leia?
Ranking them in terms of best episode...
Empire Strikes Back is STILL the best episode then its
Return of the Jedi
The Force Awakens
A New Hope
prequels (doesn't matter theyre all equally shitty)
Thank you!
Thank you!
Reaching!
Too many of you focused on posters and trailers which if you have ever watched a movie before are unreliable. Second, they are designed to whet the appetite and yet for this movie, also obscure what was going on. If you got caught up in your blackness and the idea you needed this to be the Finn story that's your own fault. I never felt baited and switched or anything. I felt like I saw a really good movie and also Finn was just as important as Rey because he moved a lot of the story along. Too often we get one thing in our mind for our own reasons see something it doesn't fit and then we get upset for what we did to ourselves. this thread is crazy to me in that respect.
As far as the story being the same or just like the first 3 put together it makes a lot of sense and I didn't have a problem with it. There are only so many stories that you can tell it's just how can we sort of develop the atmosphere around it to make it feel good. To point out how Creed was like Rocky and criticize the things that were both homages to the original, and the reason that we loved both was ridiculous because in essence both Creed and this movie are 'reboots'. You need to get that original feeling back.
I thought Kylo was a good character because he was what Anakin should have been and wasn't as petulant or whiny as Anakin was in the prequels. This story is all about the parallels between the generations.
As far as the story being the same or just like the first 3 put together it makes a lot of sense and I didn't have a problem with it. There are only so many stories that you can tell it's just how can we sort of develop the atmosphere around it to make it feel good. To point out how Creed was like Rocky and criticize the things that were both homages to the original, and the reason that we loved both was ridiculous because in essence both Creed and this movie are 'reboots'. You need to get that original feeling back.
I thought Kylo was a good character because he was what Anakin should have been and wasn't as petulant or whiny as Anakin was in the prequels. This story is all about the parallels between the generations.
There is a library of original stories that has been created and could have been used as a template that hasn't already been used in a Star Wars film.
Disney chose to play it safe by doing a slight remake/reboot to the franchise. I'll give Lucas credit for trying to do something new with the prequels, even if they were critical failures.
Kylo Ren was hurt As fucked
So what you will about Anakin. But he wasn't losing no fight to NO_DAMN_Rey! As a Scribe/Padawan he handle his shit and like i said ain't losing to someone wheeling a Sabber for the very 1st time.
Ren even had commanders talking shit to him! No one respected or feared him at all! That's not right at all for someone repping the Dark-Side! If Ren wants to make Vader proud he should of ripped Ol' Boy throat out right then and there infront of everyone to set the tone. Im sure they had other commanders that could of taken his place.
Dark-Side is supposed to instill fears the likes of which the universe has never seen. Not sit there and get shit talked to by anyone especially a regular..human!
The Hell!
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I'd agree with you if there wasn't already a precedent regarding posters and Star Wars films.
I can't remember the last Star Wars poster in which dude holding a lightsaber wasn't either going to be a Force sensitive or lightsaber wielder. This is the only film of the Seven (so far) to have done that Bait and switch stuff. They made sure to sucker in People of Color excited to see a Black Jedi/lightsaber wielding badass with the posters they marketed.
That's wack.
You and I don't know that he is or he isn't force sensitive, or will or won't be a force user. Finn's story is still being revealed to us, and I am stating what I hope to see. None of us at this point know how it will turn out. Some of us seem to forget that this is a movie series with (hopefully) character arcs and progression.
I have previously said that I hoped that Finn would end up being a Skywalker and begin training under Luke- but when that didn't happen.... in this movie
I didn't feel "cheated" or that the character as portrayed was wack. I feel Finn is the ONE GUY out of the thousands of stormtroopers, who was able (via force sensitivity or otherwise) break the conditioning/ training that has been so successful on every other trooper, and that as such, he is central to the movie series.
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I know that none of us know where the storyline will go next, but wouldnt you find it silly if he turns out to be a force user after going through the entire movie Rey's powers are "awakening", he is right there with her and not once was it hinted that he has a connection to the force at all.
By the way, i dont find him wack. Im not disappointed because he isnt a jedi. I find him kind of weak as a character because he has no defined skillset on the battlefield.
Fam,
If as an audience you have to *insert here* and derive from *there* and theorize from *here* to "understand" as you put it. Then that's not good story telling.
Well, Finn maybe force sensitive but they haven't told you that yet. It maybe developed in the next story etc...BULLSHIT it's called making up as you go. Well, Rey may have received training when she was young but somehow forgot it which explain why she was able to defeat Ren whom has received training from Luke and his dark master...BULLSHIT it's called bad storytelling!
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the part of my statement that you quoted wasnt inferred or hinted at in the film. it was cleary, blatantly and veru obviously displayed right on the screen. again, if you couldn't understand that, you are the problem.
Word. It's not our job to fill in the blanks about characters and situations. It's the filmmakers job to present the audience with a film devoid of plotholes or questions that make no sense.
When they fail in doing that, it's a clear case of poor writing.
I'll say at least Rey had her little flashback sequence that brought up the possibility that she has some suppressed memories and is a Force user.
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He took it easy on her
Nah, I agree with Buk, he was already injured, that made him weaker, but he still should have defeated Rey. His Force powers were pretty strong, she was just coming to grips with hers.
Kylo is not 2nd in command - like Vader in ANH he is outside of the military command structure but he has authority
no reach - the novel says Kylo Ren was expecting to be feel stronger but instead was weakened by his father's murder...
Kylo is not sith not jedi- he is being fooled in to thinking he is walking the darkside but he hasn't - he was deliberately kept weak
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