Official STAR WARS:THE FORCE AWAKENS discussion thread

[da_monumental_1]

• Star Wars Episode 7: The search for Luke in Hawaii
• The creatures were impressive, none of that overused CGI crap
• Kylo Ren is a Darth Vader fanboy.... with major anger issues
• Luke failed his apprentice just like Obi-wan did.
• Rey had a Dagobah Dark Side cave moment when the light saber called out to her
• Finn was too much of a non conformist for the 1st order? didn't they test for that ?
• Rey just figures out how to do Jedi mind tricks through "magic"?
• Adam Driver is an impressive actor.... Han had to know that bridge was a bad idea
• Supreme Leader Snoke I assume is Darth Plageius whom Palpatine's spoke of in Episode 3
• There can only be balance in the force is all the force sensitive beings die
• Overall 6/10 ....minus the nostalgia the film would get 4/10 (basically a reboot)

That was suspect no trained martial artist would lose to a naturally gifted fighter during their first contest.

I think Plageuis is dead tormented in Chaos (Star War's version of Hell). "The Force can strike back." - (Plagueis' warning to Palpatine). And it struck back hard with the ease Palpatine had in killing him. My money is on Snoke being a former Inquisitor. A dark side adept yes, but he's no Sith. Savage and Maul learned the hard way for claiming those titles.

My money is on them bring back Palpatine in a younger, resurrected clone body.

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This is another misconception most people make when Jedi refer to "bringing balance to the Force:. It doesn't mean balance between the light and dark sides of the Force like some kind of universal Yin and Yang. It's the totally annihilation of the dark side. They (Jedi) viewed the dark side as a corruption of the Force. When there is no Sith and no dark side, the Force is in harmony.

 

[younggiftedandblack]

so why didn't he and bb8 produce the full map when they first met? why was he voluntarily inert only to start working again when convenient for the script without any real explanation?

I have to watch it again, but I believe they said he turned himself off when Luke went away. But he turned himself back on the 1st time Rey should up at the base. A lot of people are speculating that she's Luke's daughter.

 

[ansatsusha_gouki]

any post credit scene?

 

[stretchwallz]

I think Plageuis is dead tormented in Chaos (Star War's version of Hell). "The Force can strike back." - (Plagueis' warning to Palpatine). And it struck back hard with the ease Palpatine had in killing him. My money is on Snoke being a former Inquisitor. A dark side adept yes, but he's no Sith. Savage and Maul learned the hard way for claiming those titles.

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I still think Snoke is Plaegeuis the "WISE" as Palpatine calls him in Episode 3. The Sith greatest ally is deception...Plageuis was already credited with being able to create life and prevent death.

A few hints in The Force Awakens leads me to Plageuis though

• Supreme leader Snokes elongated head is similar to descriptions of Plageuis
• When Han Solo says to Ben "Snoke is using you..." Ben replies "Supreme leader Snoke is WISE"
• The theme music for Snoke scenes and Palpatine and Anakin at opera when discussing Plageuis are identical

 

[geechiedan]

I have to watch it again, but I believe they said he turned himself off when Luke went away. But he turned himself back on the 1st time Rey should up at the base. A lot of people are speculating that she's Luke's daughter.

yeah but that would mean R2D2 can sense a force adept or something like that and thats kinda



the very first time rd meets luke he was very early left behind as luke picked another droid and the ONLY reason he ended up with r2 is because that droid broke.. NOW some 30 years later r2 can sense shit??? even if thats not the case and he's programmed to respond to rey in some other way..she was a little girl when she was abandoned or separated from the people she knew...this is going to have to be a REALLY good explanation in the coming sequels

 

[Darrkman]

Ok I saw the movie last night and I'm taking my son today at 2 pm. Here's my thoughts:

• Kylo Ren was a terrible bad guy. He didn't come across as menacing at all. He started off strong by stopping the blaster bolt in mid air and then just kinda regressed to a petulant spoiled child. Vader was a bad guy. Half the dudes in the First Order would of been dead if Vader was there and there would of been no more fuck ups
• Fin's character pissed me off. He went from trying to get away from the First Order to focusing on doing nothing but saving the white girl. By the middle of the movies all this Black man cared about was saving the white girl
• They played up Fin being force sensitive then moved away from it. Kylo Ren senses Fin in the beginning of the movie. Also when Fin and Ren were talking they both talked about how they'd never done anything like that before (flying the Falcon and firing the gun) but both were able to do it. "Knowing without knowing" is a major part of being Force sensitive and they just let it go.
• How the fuck can a non trained Force sensitive girl like Ray have a lightsaber battle and control others?? Come on!!

All in all it was just an ok movie and the people I was with agreed. It really felt like a updated retelling of the original Star Wars right down to flying down the trench to destroy the new Death Star.

 

[GentlemanJack]

Finn has to be a Jedi the way he was sensed by Kylo Ren in the beginning. That and the fact he went toe to toe for a minute with a light saber and actually got licks in on Ren. That or Ren is the sorriest Sith in the galaxy... which may be true to but so inconsistent when he's stopping lasers with the force.

 

[stretchwallz]

Finn has to be a Jedi the way he was sensed by Kylo Ren in the beginning. That and the fact he went toe to toe for a minute with a light saber and actually got licks in on Ren. That or Ren is the sorriest Sith in the galaxy... which may be true to but so inconsistent when he's stopping lasers with the force.

He's not a Sith or fully trained... he's at best a padawan Jedi that went rouge. He is able to intimidate most with his force abilities but unable to challenge anyone with force sensibilities

Similar to guys who MMA train, who can punk everyone in their cubicle but get owned when they step in a dojo

People forget Darth Vader / Anakin was one of the greatest Jedi knights and then went to the darkside (he was a fully trained warrior) Kylo Ren is basically a fan of his grandfather but hasn't put in the work yet. Kylo Ren is going to complete his training and become a major problem (sometimes that first ass kicking is all the incentive you need)

 

[dawilleyone]

He's not a Sith or fully trained... he's at best a padawan Jedi that went rouge. He is able to intimidate most with his force abilities but unable to challenge anyone with force sensibilities

All true, but I think it was a bad choice to show him as a complete bad ass initially and then slowly break him down to be ultimately ineffective against lesser trained force types. If his lack of commitment to the DArk Side was holding him back, you would think that killing off Pops would seal that deal and make him more effective. Instead, we are prompted with several reminders that he's been shot while he takes on Finn and Rei.

 

[Darrkman]

All true, but I think it was a bad choice to show him as a complete bad ass initially and then slowly break him down to be ultimately ineffective against lesser trained force types. If his lack of commitment to the DArk Side was holding him back, you would think that killing off Pops would seal that deal and make him more effective. Instead, we are prompted with several reminders that he's been shot while he takes on Finn and Rei.

I was laughing cause Chewbacca's crossbow was blowing shit up left and right but just wings Kylo Ren? He should of been a bloody cloud.

 

[lazarus]

More like

yeah but that would mean R2D2 can sense a force adept or something like that and thats kinda



the very first time rd meets luke he was very early left behind as luke picked another droid and the ONLY reason he ended up with r2 is because that droid broke.. NOW some 30 years later r2 can sense shit??? even if thats not the case and he's programmed to respond to rey in some other way..she was a little girl when she was abandoned or separated from the people she knew...this is going to have to be a REALLY good explanation in the coming sequels

more like Luke mentally made the droid alive when his daughter was discovered.

3rd best one. Finn is new han.

 

[BigDaddyBuk]

this is a STAR WARS MOVIE.

by that i mean: the pacing was equal to the original series. the LOOK was the same. the music along with the cinematography created a mood and a tone that mirrored episode 4.

it was SUPPOSED to be reminiscent of episode 4, because it is a passing of the torch to the new cast. who DIDNT want to see that? this is the jumping off point for a whole new generation of fans, and it told them all they needed to get the gist of what made the original movies great to us.

as for Finn: he is a kidnapped kid who never showed any nonconformity UNTIL he reached that planet and refused to slaughter innocents. he and Kylo Ren had a stare down at the beginning of the movie (game recognizing game) they KEPT giving him the damn lightsaber (you've GOT a weapon!) and he fought a force user, with a lightsaber, and was able to block his strikes and WOUND him in return. Finn is a force user.

i love this movie, my WIFE loves this movie. if you dont LIKE it, you probably didnt have any attachment to it in the first place, which isnt a bad thing. but this AINT a bad movie at all.

 

[Darrkman]

this is a STAR WARS MOVIE.

by that i mean: the pacing was equal to the original series. the LOOK was the same. the music along with the cinematography created a mood and a tone that mirrored episode 4.

it was SUPPOSED to be reminiscent of episode 4, because it is a passing of the torch to the new cast. who DIDNT want to see that? this is the jumping off point for a whole new generation of fans, and it told them all they needed to get the gist of what made the original movies great to us.

as for Finn: he is a kidnapped kid who never showed any nonconformity UNTIL he reached that planet and refused to slaughter innocents. he and Kylo Ren had a stare down at the beginning of the movie (game recognizing game) they KEPT giving him the damn lightsaber (you've GOT a weapon!) and he fought a force user, with a lightsaber, and was able to block his strikes and WOUND him in return. Finn is a force user.

i love this movie, my WIFE loves this movie. if you dont LIKE it, you probably didnt have any attachment to it in the first place, which isnt a bad thing. but this AINT a bad movie at all.

I don't know Buk. While I do understand they're introducing Star Wars Tova whole new generation I could of done with a bit less of scene for scene copies of the original.

X wing fighter flying down a trench.....again.

On a side note the poor Falcon was taking a beating in this movie. That's no way to treat my favorite spaceship ever.

 

[EPDC]

All the white folk I spoke with loved it. Most of the Black folks I spoke with found fault, especially with how Finn was portrayed and the bait and switch marketing (came off as a badass but was really a coward janitor in Space)....

I haven't seen it yet, but I'm siding with Black folks on this.

Fuck that where's the link?

 

[geechiedan]

He's not a Sith or fully trained... he's at best a padawan Jedi that went rouge. He is able to intimidate most with his force abilities but unable to challenge anyone with force sensibilities

Similar to guys who MMA train, who can punk everyone in their cubicle but get owned when they step in a dojo

People forget Darth Vader / Anakin was one of the greatest Jedi knights and then went to the darkside (he was a fully trained warrior) Kylo Ren is basically a fan of his grandfather but hasn't put in the work yet. Kylo Ren is going to complete his training and become a major problem (sometimes that first ass kicking is all the incentive you need)

so hes the ronda rousey of the sith??

 

[geechiedan]

this is a STAR WARS MOVIE.

by that i mean: the pacing was equal to the original series. the LOOK was the same. the music along with the cinematography created a mood and a tone that mirrored episode 4.

it was SUPPOSED to be reminiscent of episode 4, because it is a passing of the torch to the new cast. who DIDNT want to see that? this is the jumping off point for a whole new generation of fans, and it told them all they needed to get the gist of what made the original movies great to us.

as for Finn: he is a kidnapped kid who never showed any nonconformity UNTIL he reached that planet and refused to slaughter innocents. he and Kylo Ren had a stare down at the beginning of the movie (game recognizing game) they KEPT giving him the damn lightsaber (you've GOT a weapon!) and he fought a force user, with a lightsaber, and was able to block his strikes and WOUND him in return. Finn is a force user.

i love this movie, my WIFE loves this movie. if you dont LIKE it, you probably didnt have any attachment to it in the first place, which isnt a bad thing. but this AINT a bad movie at all.

reminiscent and damn near shot for shot are two different things..

as I stated earilier



*okay they are starting rei off REALLY HIGH..she has gifted force abilities and was able to use the jedi mind trick (tho no one told her that was even possible considering she thought luke and the force was a myth)... she BESTED a trained force adept in her first dual with NO TRAINING and used force telekinesis to draw a lightsaber away from him. Luke on the other hand had trouble using force techiques even when trained by yoda.. so either kylo ren is super soft or rei is a fucking super saiyan jedi.

The way they set her up I don't see much tension in her battles with ren in the future episodes. It will be interesting to see how other directors play that out.


* An even larger death star??? again?? seriously?? they even lampooned it by coming up with a half assed plan to bring it down much in the SAME WAY...this makes the empire look more and more stupid and the plotting just lazy as we go at this point

* for a franchise called STAR wars not much action happened IN SPACE..all major battles and dog fighting action scenes took place in the skies of a planet. Something just felt off about that. It was like JJ Abrams wasn't really interest or could be bothered to do any actual space battle scenes except that brief one where finn and poe escape.

* So R2 just sat inert all this time for what exactly?? then come to find out this nigga had the map all along?? Was there a reason he kept this info from leia?

Ranking them in terms of best episode...

Empire Strikes Back is STILL the best episode then its
Return of the Jedi
The Force Awakens
A New Hope
prequels (doesn't matter theyre all equally shitty)

 

[geechiedan]

That's the thing, JJ isn't writing or directing 8 or 9

no.

 

[geechiedan]

more observations..

So I take it JJ dropped the rule of two..because vader and palpatine where the only siths we know about in the OT and they both died the same day.

that being the case..WHO THE FUCK TOLD REN ABOUT VADER? AND WHY WOULD LUKE OR ANYONE SAVE HIS BURNED ARMOUR AND ASHES? Ren lays his helmet on Vaders ashes anyone else catch that?

what was look doing spinning yarns about vaders deeds between jedi lessons? "Oh and your granddad force choked these guys back then and did I tell you about the two times he tortured your mother for information..crazy times..old anakin was a bad bad man son."

 

[chops]

any post credit scene?

Nope! He said in an interview... everything thats supposed to be in the movie is in the movie. lol
I always check here: http://aftercredits.com/ or if its down I search before I see the movie.

more observations..

So I take it JJ dropped the rule of two..because vader and palpatine where the only siths we know about in the OT and they both died the same day.

Not necessarily.... there are dark side communities or people who turn to the dark side naturally in the search for power. Other people have found dark side relics and have been seduced by their power and thirst for more.

that being the case..WHO THE FUCK TOLD REN ABOUT VADER? AND WHY WOULD LUKE OR ANYONE SAVE HIS BURNED ARMOUR AND ASHES? Ren lays his helmet on Vaders ashes anyone else catch that?

Luke or his parents or anyone couldve told him about Vader. Vader is a success story in Luke's eyes. Hell, Snope couldve told him. Tons of reasons why Ben Solo wouldve known about his grandfather. Yea, I peeped the ashes thing. Did anyone peep that there are MORE people like Kylo Ren? We caught a glimpse of them during Rey's Force vision when they massacred the Jedis and were standing together in the rain.

what was look doing spinning yarns about vaders deeds between jedi lessons? "Oh and your granddad force choked these guys back then and did I tell you about the two times he tortured your mother for information..crazy times..old anakin was a bad bad man son."

" Ben.... Hear me, the dark side is very tempting, the more power you have the more it seduces. Everyone is tempted by the Dark side. Your Mother, Me, and your Grandfather. It seeks people out who are strong in the force. In each of us, dwells the Light and the Dark. It is true that the Dark side corrupts, but the Light shines in all of us as well. Choose the light, as your grandfather did. No one is 100% Dark or Light."

Or something like that. Basically, the decision to be good or bad buts both ways. Not telling Ben Solo ab out his grandfather and letting him find out on his own would be the worst option.

 

[Darrkman]

All the white folk I spoke with loved it. Most of the Black folks I spoke with found fault, especially with how Finn was portrayed and the bait and switch marketing (came off as a badass but was really a coward janitor in Space)....

I haven't seen it yet, but I'm siding with Black folks on this.

Fuck that where's the link?

So i was one of those people that was pissed about Finn until someone on here mentioned that he's the new Han Solo. When you look at it rom that perspective it gets more interesting. Han Solo was always about needing to get away because he had a price on his head, like how Finn knew the First Order was after him. However Solo came around and was one of the main characters to save everyone's asses. I can see them doing that with Finn however they need to play up more of Finn being a bad ass. If Finn was a Stormtrooper he needs to show whatever training he got as a Stormtrooper. But yeah....stop being a pussy.

 

[geechiedan]

any post credit scene?

Nope! He said in an interview... everything thats supposed to be in the movie is in the movie. lol
I always check here: http://aftercredits.com/ or if its down I search before I see the movie.

Don't look for any of that stuff in the films..Lucas was using the old 1950's matinee adventure style of telling this story. Which consisted of a lot of "wipe" transitions and a story line that was continuously forward moving. There are no flashbacks, jump ahead, voice over narration, or any other devices normally used today to tell a story. The only thing close that could fill in details would be the opening crawl and once that's over its off to the races. I found it a bit confining way to tell a story personally when I did my fanfiction but that's how the saga goes. Telling the story in a different way just isn't "Star Wars".

 

[geechiedan]

So i was one of those people that was pissed about Finn until someone on here mentioned that he's the new Han Solo. When you look at it rom that perspective it gets more interesting. Han Solo was always about needing to get away because he had a price on his head, like how Finn knew the First Order was after him. However Solo came around and was one of the main characters to save everyone's asses. I can see them doing that with Finn however they need to play up more of Finn being a bad ass. If Finn was a Stormtrooper he needs to show whatever training he got as a Stormtrooper. But yeah....stop being a pussy.

well he did...he took on ren in a lightsaber fight..he stepped up and got them into the shield generator facility....it wasn't that he couldn't fight it was that he didn't want to slaughter people anymore.

 

[chops]

So i was one of those people that was pissed about Finn until someone on here mentioned that he's the new Han Solo. When you look at it rom that perspective it gets more interesting. Han Solo was always about needing to get away because he had a price on his head, like how Finn knew the First Order was after him. However Solo came around and was one of the main characters to save everyone's asses. I can see them doing that with Finn however they need to play up more of Finn being a bad ass. If Finn was a Stormtrooper he needs to show whatever training he got as a Stormtrooper. But yeah....stop being a pussy.

I said that, maybe someone else did too. But honestly, its the truth. As far as not being able to fight, he actually does. He held his own against the storm trooper, and Kylo Ren. He was able to adjust quickly to using the guns on multiple ships. When I saw his character, I saw someone who, like Rey, had his own awakening. He was mentally, physically and psychologically conditioned to be a storm trooper. He was able to break all of these things and come into his own. I think we saw him in environments that were foreign to him, hence his awkwardness.


But for real, in the beginning I was like, " Why the brotha have to have panic attacks??!" lol

Finn as a character is finding himself, they showed the most development with him, and they didn't kill him off. All promising things.

 

[ViCiouS]

more observations..

So I take it JJ dropped the rule of two..because vader and palpatine where the only siths we know about in the OT and they both died the same day.

that being the case..WHO THE FUCK TOLD REN ABOUT VADER? AND WHY WOULD LUKE OR ANYONE SAVE HIS BURNED ARMOUR AND ASHES? Ren lays his helmet on Vaders ashes anyone else catch that?

what was look doing spinning yarns about vaders deeds between jedi lessons? "Oh and your granddad force choked these guys back then and did I tell you about the two times he tortured your mother for information..crazy times..old anakin was a bad bad man son."

rule of 2 still in effect but there are always lower apprentices /adepts that compete for a shot at the #2 slot

 

[ansatsusha_gouki]

All the white folk I spoke with loved it. Most of the Black folks I spoke with found fault, especially with how Finn was portrayed and the bait and switch marketing (came off as a badass but was really a coward janitor in Space)....

I haven't seen it yet, but I'm siding with Black folks on this.

Fuck that where's the link?

I just came from watching it and I felt the same way.....

 

[BigDaddyBuk]

Ok I saw the movie last night and I'm taking my son today at 2 pm. Here's my thoughts:

• Kylo Ren was a terrible bad guy. He didn't come across as menacing at all. He started off strong by stopping the blaster bolt in mid air and then just kinda regressed to a petulant spoiled child. Vader was a bad guy. Half the dudes in the First Order would of been dead if Vader was there and there would of been no more fuck ups
• Fin's character pissed me off. He went from trying to get away from the First Order to focusing on doing nothing but saving the white girl. By the middle of the movies all this Black man cared about was saving the white girl
• They played up Fin being force sensitive then moved away from it. Kylo Ren senses Fin in the beginning of the movie. Also when Fin and Ren were talking they both talked about how they'd never done anything like that before (flying the Falcon and firing the gun) but both were able to do it. "Knowing without knowing" is a major part of being Force sensitive and they just let it go.
• How the fuck can a non trained Force sensitive girl like Ray have a lightsaber battle and control others?? Come on!!

All in all it was just an ok movie and the people I was with agreed. It really felt like a updated retelling of the original Star Wars right down to flying down the trench to destroy the new Death Star.

y'all killin' me man.

Kylo Ren isnt even a full sith. the supreme leader said he had to finish Kylo's training, and this is AFTER he killed his dad. he. KILLED. Han Solo. that shit had people CRYING in the theater.

Finn IS force sensitive. HIS awakening will come later, as they cant tell the entire story in ONE MOVIE.

as for Rey, this is something entirely different than what normally occurs. they CAN write that. shit, they never got visions from touching shit either until now.

roll with the story man.

Finn rescued Poe, got the droid back to the resistance, understood how to destroy the Star Killer, and BRAVELY fought against a much superior foe. he absolutely was a bad ass. and dude worked in sanitation, which is why he understood the PUMP SYSTEM to get them into the base unsuspected. thats not the janitorial service, they have DROIDS for that.

 

[LSN]

goddamn I shoulda stayed out this thread lol I read too damn much

 

[LSN]

jurassic world had a lot of scenes/moments that mirrored jurassic park but I still thoroughly enjoyed it...thought it was a great flick for old fans and capturing new ones...if this new star wars can do that for me then it's gonna be a great watch

 

[ansatsusha_gouki]

I understand that Kylo Ren is semi-trained,what I don't understand is why is he getting his ass kicked by a person,who barely know how to use the force...that didn't make no sense to me.

 

[BigDaddyBuk]

I understand that Kylo Ren is semi-trained,what I don't understand is why is he getting his ass kicked by a person,who barely know how to use the force...that didn't make no sense to me.

he was emotionally shaken from killing his dad, he took a laser cross bow blast to the side and was bleeding profusely, he just fought Finn and got stabbed by him, THEN got into a fight with a force genius.

im starting to think folks arent comprehending what they're watching.

 

[geechiedan]

I understand that Kylo Ren is semi-trained,what I don't understand is why is he getting his ass kicked by a person,who barely know how to use the force...that didn't make no sense to me.

I didn't have a problem with her being a force adept and fighting well...we see that she can handle herself earlier in the flick but I DID have a problem with her doing a jedi mindtrick without knowing what the hell that is.

 

[ViCiouS]

I didn't have a problem with her being a force adept and fighting well...we see that she can handle herself earlier in the flick but I DID have a problem with her doing a jedi mindtrick without knowing what the hell that is.

knowing without knowing...

 

[stretchwallz]

I understand that Kylo Ren is semi-trained,what I don't understand is why is he getting his ass kicked by a person,who barely know how to use the force...that didn't make no sense to me.

I think Rey has had some youngling Jedi training, she's forgotten due to someone or some force technique. When she closes her eyes information comes back to her in pieces

Episode 8 will reveal some major history

 

[Darrkman]

he was emotionally shaken from killing his dad, he took a laser cross bow blast to the side and was bleeding profusely, he just fought Finn and got stabbed by him, THEN got into a fight with a force genius.

im starting to think folks arent comprehending what they're watching.

Speaking about the crossbow. I was cracking up at the fact that Han and Chewie been hanging for DECADES and Han only just now realizing Chewie's crossbow will fuck shit up.

 

[JaRonin]

Just watched this today and I'd give the movie a 7 out of 10.

I think Rey might be a Kenobi, if she were Luke's daughter I think they would have just said it.

I think Finn might be a Calrissian. I don't have any evidence to support that though.