Same thing for me. Funny enough I started watching real Football and its so much better than American version.
Jermain Dupri was trying to make the same deal with NFL and Jay Z talked him out of it
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Same thing for me. Funny enough I started watching real Football and its so much better than American version.
Honestly thanks for this, I think this guy iaddressed the major issue I have with this deal which Kaep and his silence.
Now the only issue is a Eric Reid, and if he has an issue it should be a cause of concern cuz he's been very vocal about what the fuck is going on unlike Kaepernick
Out of curiosity was that before the settlement
Man Skip, Shannon, and Eric Dickerson said dude sold out.
You really think LiveNation gave up less control? He works for LiveNation, he didn't take the deal against his will he acting as an employee doing what his bosses tell him to do.
Complex and Footloose be like did yall say Jay Z giving away Turkeys????
......I sho nuff looooove me some Jay Z turkey.....
..clean ya self up kid then maybe I'll give you a job so you can buy 2 million dollar Picassos instead crack ya pipe sucker!!!
There is a difference between being an employee and being contractually obligated to satisfy mutually agreed upon terms. He is not an employee of Live Nation.
He doesn't have to render any service outside of the scope of the contract he signed.
If the contract that he signed had nothing about the NFL situation in it, then he is not obligated to oblige Live Nation.
Example: If you had a lawn care service and signed a contract to cut grass at an apartment complex, do you think they can make you wash the windows at the complex if it was not in the terms of agreement? No, because you are not an employee and that was not in the contract.
Yeah I mean I haven't really seen many details out there regarding the contract Jay signed but the moves he's made thus far doesn't really indicate that he's being "controlled" by LiveNation. Shit many all them niggas that hate him would've been exposed that shit if true.
So Jay got a deal with control and ownership. What was Jermaine offered? 
It seems to me that if JD wasn't offered EXACTLY what Jay just got then Jay was looking out for him.
I know what they are offering me over here and I know they didn't give you that JD....don't fuck yourself bruh they shafting you!
It seems to me that if JD wasn't offered EXACTLY what Jay just got then Jay was looking out for him.
I know what they are offering me over here and I know they didn't give you that JD....don't fuck yourself bruh they shafting you!
Let's see how this plays out
with every post you demonstrate that you have never read an entertainment contract,
have no clue about how a subsidiary company functions within the majority ownership of a parent company
So why do you keep arguing when you are clueless about the details around Jays contract
worse than that you imagine its a single 360 contract not understanding it is really multiple contracts and operating agreements he is now working under -
The difference between being Shawn Carter vs being Wayne Carter
not understanding half of these fancy entertainment terms and function are why 99% of recording artists go broke
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Live Nation = Disney
Roc Nation = Marvel Studios / Lucas Films etc
Imagine Kevin Feige not doing the bidding of Disney's board and still keeping his job....
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then you really never paid attention....Yeah I mean I haven't really seen many details out there regarding the contract Jay signed but the moves he's made thus far doesn't really indicate that he's being "controlled" by LiveNation. Shit many all them niggas that hate him would've been exposed that shit if true.
how is an entertainer going to expose Jay -
when EVERY live entertainer across every genre except maybe opera NEEDs to go through Live Nation or AEG to book shows at 95% of venues nationwide
and sell tickets at 99% of venues?
Do not ignore Live Nations sister company Clear Channel / I Heart
ask yourself: What rapper or rnb artist or label exec that wants to do shows or promotions in North America is going to survive pissing off Live Nation?
I realize you are some kind of entertainment expert/guru but you have yet to disprove what I said.
Let me simplify what I said to be clear. Live Nation CANNOT FORCE JAY Z to do deals with other company's he did not agree to originally. A CONTRACT IS A CONTRACT, no matter how smart you want to try and sound.
Unless the contract said "Live Nation can make Shawn Carter do whatever we want him to do" then what you are saying is hot nonsense covered in creamy entertainment jargon mumbo jumbo sauce.
I've given you proof repeatedly-
simple break down
1. Live Nation is the legal owner / parent company of RocNation (subsidiary LLC)
Roc Nation
Private - Limited liability company
Industry Entertainment
Founded 2008; 11 years ago
Founder Jay-Z
Headquarters New York City, New York City
Parent Live Nation Entertainment
2. Legally we know that Jay Z does not have a 50% or greater ownership steak in RocNation
how? why?
because legally - if Live Nation had minority or even parity ownership of Roc Nation, The company would be registered as an affiliate - Explaining Affiliate, Associate And Subsidiary
As a subsidiary company Roc Nation and its management team has to do what ever business Live Nation's board dictates
You keep focusing on an JayZ contract (parameters of which only exists in your imagination) - instead of talking about or looking at RocNation
Why is it that every other major NFL (or any league) deal or partnership had a formal announcement?
Execs wearing suits, podiums, full press presence
But for RocNation its select journalists and the only video of the announcment and followup q&a is from NFL films....
vs
I dont disagree with the facts of who owns what. Though all of that may be true, he cannot be forced to do anything he doesn't want to do if it's not contractually binding.
You act as if though entertainment contracts do not operate like any other contract. Entertainment contract or any other contract is just that, a contract.
We can agree to disagree because you will never make me believe Jay Z has to do whatever Live Nation tells him to do just because they do business together.
"Shawn Carter" doesn't.... but Roc Nation does have to do what Live Nation says and to a lesser extent so does "JayZ"
What I've been trying to tell /show is that entertainment contracts are much much more onerous... than you can imagine.
The company investing in IP / content needs to own "everything" in every possible or imaginable way
"in this universe and any universe yet to be discovered" *
When entering a business partnership in entertainment without matching with your own capital -
In reality the price you pay to be trusted to "play" with the counter party's money... is that they legally bond everything that is "yours"
*quoted from an existing contract
If you dont like how the NFL treated Kap are you in for a surprise when you find out how racist soccer fans are.
I think that’s the part high as are missing, he wasn’t talked out of ANYTHING, the nigga did the deal (he took a lot of shit for it, but he did it)
I don’t even know what the point of bringing this up was, we all know ownership wasn’t apart of his deal and (like I said) son did his deal with them anyway