@lazarus
YOU:
address income disparity, job hiring, education, prison sentencing and targeting, and compensation for three centuries of free labor that the white man profited of and the purposely devaluation of houses, illegal drug testing, eradication of successful communities without penalty or compensation, and putting drugs in black communities.
ME:
Ok cool. You believe Trump nem gon do that?
YOU:
nope. we on our own. no saviors coming from politics.
ME:
aiight bet. so what's the move? (aka what is the plan to get to those things?)
YOU:
invest in our own communities
(vague, we do this now)
stop looking for others to save us
(what tf does this even mean? ok we look to ourselves, WHO? HOW? WHAT does "SAVING US" mean?) come up with our own leaders
(what kind of leaders? What are they leading?)
use the leverage we have in entertainment
(to do what boycott? so we want stuff from the people that run entertainment? or do we expect them to tell the government to give us something?)
come up with contigency exit plans and invest in land
(exit plans to exit what? we already own land, how do you mean invest in land?), condemn parties when they reach out to celebrities
(you JUST said use our leverage in entertainment though. how does this work? do the entertainers get legislation done for us? or do our leaders work with the entertainers to apply the leverage? there's a very glaring contradiction here.)
ask for tangible things starting from a local level.
(Ask WHO? Local government? What are some of these tangibles?)
the problem is the majority think someone is going to help them
(you JUST said ask for stuff literally in the last sentence)
sit back and hope, want a pat on the back or pray to a white man
(wut?)
ME:
how will we be able to operate outside of the system of government and the laws of the country and states and cities we live in? this spoke to your statement about investing in land, as it seemed to imply that having our own would somehow create some autonomy. We'd still be in the US, subject to state and federal law and taxation. If that's not what you meant, what did you mean?
what will our leaders be leading? This is a question of structure. What is the role and function of the LEADER in your statement? Elected representatives? To represent us in government? Don't we have those? What's different about how you see this?
what are the exit plans exiting?
you said contingency exit plan, I simply asked what we would be exiting. the country? participation in government?
what would be the reason we enact them?
what would precipitate our need to exit?
the parties we condemn for reaching out to celebs, are these political parties that we create?
you said use our influence in entertainment, so this is confusing on it's face.
does that mean we create our own government? how does that interface with the city and state governments? if we are our own government, who are we asking for tangible things at a local level? ourselves? the cities that we invested in land in?
this is because you were unclear about what we would be exiting.
we shouldn't think anyone should help us but we're asking someone for tangible things at a local level?
this addressed the logical fallacy of the idea you put forth.
what are some examples of actual functional societal systems with this structure?
this was to see if there was a working model of this that you have seen vs just imagining some shit, so that maybe I could look at it and relieve you of the burden of articulation.
YOU:
there is no need to operate outside the system and laws of the country. did I suggest something illegal? My goodness. I know it's scary to actually think and control your own destiny, but it's possible without a master.
this offers no answer, and is where you started getting huffy because you know you don't have them. notice I only asked for clarification on your ideas before now, and you started acting like a bitch here.
our leaders will have our interest and we hold them accountable.
non-answer. i asked what these leaders would be leading.
no more celebrities as role models
how can you say who should be a role model or not? i think Lebron is a great role model. I think Clarence Thomas isn't. This statement is dumb.
They have to be authentic and not out for a quick buck or a book tour.
you starting to sound pretty simple bro
no, I'm talking about the two party system. No, I never mentioned creating our own government. Sheesh. What is wrong with you?
i just asked normal ass questions though lol but you are clearly getting agitated
No one is going to help us at our current state, yes.
So who are our leaders asking for tangibles? you're all over the place.
The Jewish community had a somewhat similar struggle and bonded to build together. We have a unique experience so you can't go around mimicking other attempts.
you cited an example and IMMEDIATELY said we can't use that example as an example. LMFAO
Why so many questions?
nigga! because none of that shit made any sense lol how you got a plan and get mad at niggas wanting to understand what you on? I know why, because you have no idea how to make any of that shit work.
This is what I'm talking about. No attempt to try, just negative assumptions and constant barraging to try to stop something before trying.
again, all i asked for was clarity. if i'm trying to sign up for your program, you can't even give me fucking marching orders. tf nigga, damn lol
You are mind fucked. This is the exact reason black businesses don't support each other because you have been taught and trained to question your own and believe in the white man.
see again, getting agitated and insulting because you don't have any real follow up on your GOALS. notice I haven said shit about biden, no white man, haven't shitted on any black people, none of that. you brought all that shit into this.
I still answered all your questions even though I didn't personally have a complete truly and tested guidebook of instructions I created all by myself without help that is needed for you to try to want to do something different. Bro.
you literally answered no questions lol this shit is crazy Ridiculous.
Hard agree! I have this crazy idea that other people can help brainstorm solutions and ideas and have other thoughts besides my own.
Other people are with actual structured governmental and civic engagement but you reject it because it deals with...and this is the crazy part...the party that has actually tried to get us shit vs the one that actively tries to fuck us over
Now tell me, how is the democratic party going to increase black wealth when they haven't done so the 60 years we have voted for them? What's different this time around? i
t's literally all right here, so not only do I think that you haven't read it but I think that you are more invested in hating these people than getting the shit you are complaining about.
ME:
You did exactly what I knew you would do, which was get defensive and not give any sensible answers.
For the record, I asked questions that spoke directly to the points you made. Just like anyone curious about joining a movement would.
A GOAL IS NOT A PLAN