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uh oh lol...who are your top 10?
I'll do you and mainman a favor and not even include anything before 1985...
Native tongue
Hitsquad
Wu
Bad Boy
Roc
NWA
Luke Records
Rap ALot
So So Def
Organized Noise
Death Row
Dre (post NWA Aftermath etc)
Cash Money
No Limit

i stand behind it 1000% and don't even consider myself a huge dipset fan currently.

im speaking strictly to influence on culture... influence that grows to be larger than the individuals who started things...

dips is there. top 5 maybe.
This is what i call doubling down on stupid.
 
I'll do you and mainman a favor and not even include anything before 1985...
Native tongue
Hitsquad
Wu
Bad Boy
Roc
NWA
Luke Records
Rap ALot
So So Def
Organized Noise
Death Row
Dre (post NWA Aftermath etc)
Cash Money
No Limit

damn niggas really like so so def :smh: great list otherwise...except dre on aftermath tho I don't see how that's a movement
 
both...I don't see why the words have to be mutually exclusive...it takes a crew/click to start a movement...but they were definitely a movement tho more than anything else

honorable mention = boot camp clik...nowhere near bigger than dipset tho...and I fuck w/ BCC music all the way...but I gotta be truthful about it

Bootcamp birthed a lot of movements on the low by being completely underground and independent which showed how it could be done.
 
damn niggas really like so so def :smh: great list otherwise...except dre on aftermath tho I don't see how that's a movement
JD is Atlanta music bro.. HIGHLY underrated in that regard.

Aftermath brought you these guys......
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ehh I think this is where the definition of movement gets muddled...I totally see where you're coming from tho

JD is Atlanta music bro.. HIGHLY underrated in that regard.

Aftermath brought you these guys......
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I wasn't in those streets - thats where all movements start
and from what I do know about how both labels started - I'm not sure it would be much different than Rush DefJam or Violator or Ruthless
What you mean you wasn't in those streets? No Limit and Cash Money? Their shit was worldwide.
 
SUC too...that's what I liked about dipset...NYC had its movements before but dipset imo brought that down south hustling style to NYC...I'd argue that rocafella was a movement but it felt manufactured whereas the no limits the cash moneys etc felt "organic"...that's how dipset came across to me...like it was birthed in the streets and not in an exec's office or a studio

Catania forget how big Dipset was even before the mainstream love. They was everywhere. Dipset was rocking with Chicago rappers, west coast rappers, Texas rappers, Atlanta.....and they was all NY dudes. Impressive.
 
the addition of soso def and the omission of g unit is a problem here... outside of the dipset issue.

somebody explain how soso def was a movement.

niggas in atlanta didn even like soso def. it was like "ah this spoiled ass nigga jermaine is getting a few checks :yawn:"
G Unit is under Aftermmath.. I consolidated as a favor to you nigga. Show some appreciation.. And So So Def essentially but an entire region (region which now OWNS hip hop) on the map bro... Please stop..

ehh I think this is where the definition of movement gets muddled...I totally see where you're coming from tho
GUnit wasnt a movement? Surely you jest.
 
Ask Black folks what they know Cam'ron for and see what they all answer with. We all know he is a rapper but folks gone say he played Rico. Cam is a meme that is viral from that movie.

I disagree. I never said I don't see your point or why you'd say that, I just disagree.... especially since I know people who just told they'd only recently even SEEN Paid In Full :dunno:
 
from the bits and pieces of both sides...sounds like cam and jim got cool...cam brought the music...jim brought the muscle (not himself but niggas he knew)...jim got in on the music and started smelling himself...cam removed himself from the bullshit
jim jones=starscream

he wanted to be more than a hypeman and pushed himself by any means neccessary..even if it was gonna effect their friendship
 
Speaking of movements. People forget how big Blackwatch was.

Both albums>>>>>>Cam's best album.
Including solo albums from group members.

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This whole thread got me trying to figure angles out now, because everyone has an angle it's just who's is closer to the truth
 
Yo, @ViCiouS don't you think a clique has to get the community involved first, like the BPP?
yeah- and maybe my pov on it is stuck in 1983-82
some do organize and get the community behind them - both should happen without commercial assistance
others organically grow out of the community - I'm biased to the underground and the street


If you cant "call" them as a movement or not you kinda lose credibility on the topic bro.
:dunno: maybe - but imo based on your quote below - you are confusing commercial campaigns, push and hype or getting hot with what a movement is...

I'll do you and mainman a favor and not even include anything before 1985...
Native tongue
Hitsquad
Wu
Bad Boy
Roc
NWA
Luke Records
Rap ALot
So So Def
Organized Noise
Death Row
Dre (post NWA Aftermath etc)
Cash Money
No Limit


This is what i call doubling down on stupid.
Bad Boy? Death Row? Dre? SoSo? NWA? HitSquad? Roc? these are labelmates groups and clicks - thats like claiming Violator is same as Wu

JD is Atlanta music bro.. HIGHLY underrated in that regard.

Aftermath brought you these guys......
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its still a label nothing more.
GUnit could have grown into a movement - it existed underground and in the streets prior to Aftermath signing 50
can you say the same for any SoSo def artist? Now if you had used Goodie Mob? - HUGE difference

What you mean you wasn't in those streets? No Limit and Cash Money? Their shit was worldwide.
popularity or commercial success of a label or management by its self doesn't equal a movement... but I'm not saying they aren't a movement - I'm saying I couldn't see their roots - cause I know NOTHING about NOLA
 
impact on hiphop culture globally
hmm; thats kinda pushing it fam; I dont know about that one; what would you say the impact from dipset was?? and if thats the qualifications, I would think there would be more than 10 hiphop artist and/or groups that had bigger impacts; and does this include all things hip hop, in terms of record labels, clothing lines, etc??? I think you need to be a little more specific...
 
Top 10 in what way?
having the streets love you so much that ur popularity forced the industry to take notice and push u.. they(well duke the god) made a shitload of bread off them og dipset mixtapes, they made a shitload of bread off them stop snitching shirts and other clothing items, they got heavy rotation in a lot of clubs in ny, had a huge street fanbase in ny and other places...they eventually all had hits.. even lil wayne took notice and formed a friendship with juelz which many believe that elevated lil wayne skills..than they had hood movies that moved a lil something/something... it's pretty much an underground situation that elevated into a bigger project.. crazy thing is it could've gotten bigger but ego's, juelz bad habits and laziness, and a few other things got in the way of it
 
having the streets love you so much that ur popularity forced the industry to take notice and push u.. they(well duke the god) made a shitload of bread off them og dipset mixtapes, they made a shitload of bread off them stop snitching shirts and other clothing items, they got heavy rotation in a lot of clubs in ny, had a huge street fanbase in ny and other places...they eventually all had hits.. even lil wayne took notice and formed a friendship with juelz which many believe that elevated lil wayne skills..than they had hood movies that moved a lil something/something... it's pretty much an underground situation that elevated into a bigger project
I can feel that; but I think we need to qualify top 10; because do we throw in clothing designers or record labels; or are we talking about groups only?? I mean there are alot of different aspects to it; but I do think they had a substantial mark; im not sure top 10 though...
 
GUnit didnt start out under aftermath. In fact, Aftermath may mark the END of Gunit as a movement now that I think about it.

G Unit had the world buzzing w/ those mixtapes.

Gucci influenced Atlanta hiphop more than Jermaine Dupri ever did. What?
And yes Gucci has influenced atl hip hop more; but Outcast had way of a bigger impact on ATL then anyone or anything in the south; to me...
 
I never said that...I don't agree that aftermath is a movement tho just bcuz 50 signed to dre under that imprint...I understand your premise...just don't agree w/ it...you're doing some "by proxy" type shit
No. Im consolidating movements.. If it makes you feel better remove Aftermath and insert GUnit.. But then you'd have to add Eminem as he was a movement in and of himself... Enjoy your sunday dinner.
 
No. Im consolidating movements.. If it makes you feel better remove Aftermath and insert GUnit.. But then you'd have to add Eminem as he was a movement in and of himself... Enjoy your sunday dinner.

I hope you choke on yours...you mentioned some great ones but your outliers are fucking up the discussion
 
I think The Dungeon Family... was super influential. So much talent but something I can't really describe makes that different than DipSet and WuTang MOVEMENTS.

Let me be clear. More talent came out of Dungeon Family than came out of DipSet. But a movement... is something else...

I think NYC had the advantage because its the birthplace of hiphop so a place people naturally looked to follow for a long time.

ya the conversation is about to be all over the place now...dungeon family is a "movement"...other dude said eminem is a one man "movement"
 
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