*** Super Fight: Manny Pacquiao vs. 'Sugar' Shane Mosley OFFICIAL thread ***

[grownazzblakman]

I mean HOW IN THE FUCK you supposed to be this elite boxer, brilliant tactical fighter, greater than Duran and you can't cut a nicca off who's CIRCLING THE SAME DIRECTION THE WHOLE FIGHT?!?!?!? The only time Shane got caught was when he went straight back. Man Floyd would straight tutor and homeschool this dude. I wasn't that sure before but I am now.

So it's Pac Man's fault...
that SHANE WAS RUNNING AWAY.... FOR 5 or 6 ROUNDS STRAIGHT?????



Pac Man WAS pressing him. As best he could.
But Shane took off like NWA - "100 miles and running"

Is he suppose to tire himself out chasing him around the ring?

 

[slewdem100]

It is easy to look bad against a fighter who is just trying to survive. Pacman devastated Shane so badly in the third round that he did not even attempt to mount any offense after that. As a big time Floyd fan, there was nothing in this fight that made me any more confident about Floyd's chances.

 

[Alaskanredman]

Humiliated.

3 times in a row.

 

[Spectrum]

ricky fatton needs to shut his pale ass up

yo man.. ricky looks like he is pushing 55...got damn

 

[Devilstrider]

Just trying to get through the fight. You Know we fam, I got you if you ever come to the D. As in Dirty, Destroyed, Decimated, Detroit. Drinks on me.

 

[Hellfish]

Got Pacman by unanimous decision. I think it will be a clinic with at least one knock down for Pac. Shane will win 3 rounds at most. People are gonna expect a war but I believe Pac is gonna stick and move all night. One thing Floyd exposed in Shane is that you can beat the will out of him. I wanna be wrong

Damn You Hellfish

 

[Alaskanredman]

So it's Pac Man's fault...
that SHANE WAS RUNNING AWAY.... FOR 5 or 6 ROUNDS STRAIGHT?????



Pac Man WAS pressing him. As best he could.
But Shane took off like NWA - "100 miles and running"

Is he suppose to tire himself out chasing him around the ring?

yes and yes.

 

[jbug76]

Man....I saw times where Shane could have countered and quite possibly put Manny on his ass.

Shane had turrets this fight same shit every fight with him some how he will be in the mix around the end of the year.

 

[Spectrum]

Floyd is too smart for Pacman...Pacman gets frustrated too easily and when he gets frustrated he starts getting sloppy...the stuff Pacman was doing in this fight would not work against Floyd

Counterpunched to death

 

[X-Man26]

I initially thought that floyd would beat pacman. after pacman started whooping ass, I wouldnt dare to give floydd a chance. now seeing that manny counldnt really hit shane, I am starting to believe that floyd will have he defense to go 12 and maybe win by decision.

 

[merce77]

Co sign,
No wonder the Marquez fight was already signed before this fight even started. Arum can smell a old no threat fighter.

Marquez is far from done fam. Marquez has been beating up all the much younger contenders at lightweight but they're gonna pull a Floyd and make his ass come up 12 pounds. Juan is till THE champ at 135 but he doesn't belong at 147, shit 140 is a stretch for dude.....You know them cats ain't fighting him without every advantage. This proves my point that Manny hasn't improved as a fighter, he's just been fighting old burned up or beat up fighters that make him look that way. Even at 147 Marquez gives him hell, Freddie recently said Marquez knows how to fight Manny. It's all about boxing IQ and Marquez is up there with the elite as far as that goes.

 

[Spectrum]

I mean HOW IN THE FUCK you supposed to be this elite boxer, brilliant tactical fighter, greater than Duran and you can't cut a nicca off who's CIRCLING THE SAME DIRECTION THE WHOLE FIGHT?!?!?!? The only time Shane got caught was when he went straight back. Man Floyd would straight tutor and homeschool this dude. I wasn't that sure before but I am now. Duran would have had Pacman swole up and ready to go out on a stretcher by round 9. Duran never took a step back in his youth.

Most casual fans dont really see it. That was a HORRIBLE fight for Pacman. Yes, he beat Mosely badly... but he couldnt figure out a fighter who was gassed, hurt, and just circling in the middle of the ring Shane sit in the middle of the ring from rounds 4-10 and Pacman couldnt figure out what to do..

 

[Spectrum]

Floyd bitch ass needs to stay of court and make the fight happen...

 

[X-Man26]

Mayweather has all the leverage in the world not. No one will pay to see another pacman fight unless its versus floyd. Mayweather will get everything he wants. A larger slice of the pie or drug testing or they both will retire, take breaks until a new challenger emerges.

 

[Spectrum]

It is easy to look bad against a fighter who is just trying to survive. Pacman devastated Shane so badly in the third round that he did not even attempt to mount any offense after that. As a big time Floyd fan, there was nothing in this fight that made me any more confident about Floyd's chances.

Not true at all. Shane did the same shit against Mayweather and Floyd took Shane to fucking school from round 3 out.

 

[Helico-pterFunk]

Shane's broad is gonna leave him and join Team Pacman. Keep an eye out for the 3some. Congressman's gonna upload that shit to the HGOL board in the days to come.

 

[merce77]

So it's Pac Man's fault...
that SHANE WAS RUNNING AWAY.... FOR 5 or 6 ROUNDS STRAIGHT?????



Pac Man WAS pressing him. As best he could.
But Shane took off like NWA - "100 miles and running"

Is he suppose to tire himself out chasing him around the ring?

Funny how when Floyd is moving tactically and not letting ninjas hit him, it's called boxing but when Oscar or Mosley does it, ya'll call it running. So Shane was supposed to stand there and let Pacman hit him? C'mon fam, this ain't that sloppy stand up in MMA, this is science. If Pac couldn't get to Shane that's on HIM, not Shane. I'll tell you what. You put a 33 year old Duran in there with that version of Shane and he would have done Sugar like Davey Moore. Pac is mad sloppy when he can't do what he wants. He's been able to do what he wants fighting weak ass dummy fights set up by Arum. Damn shame that Pac couldn't even look good against Mosley's shadow. He loses to young Mosley, ESPECIALLY if he couldn't hit him and made that many mistakes.

 

[grownazzblakman]

yes and yes.

Cmon' man.

The crowd was 'booing' shane. For not fighting.
And all the commentators were disappointed in Shane. For not fighting.

But Manny supposed get 'tired out' while chasing him around?

Big difference between this fight and his fight with PBF.

I did not hear the crowd 'booing' him for not putting up a fight.

 

[Spectrum]

Freddie recently said Marquez knows how to fight Manny. It's all about boxing IQ and Marquez is up there with the elite as far as that goes.

 

[merce77]

Most casual fans dont really see it. That was a HORRIBLE fight for Pacman. Yes, he beat Mosely badly... but he couldnt figure out a fighter who was gassed, hurt, and just circling in the middle of the ring Shane sit in the middle of the ring from rounds 4-10 and Pacman couldnt figure out what to do..

Pac is a kamikaze brawler, been saying it, dude is NOT any type of boxer, he's either gonna smash into you and take you out or get taken out while rushing in and outboxed like he did the majority of rounds against Marquez. This is clear evidence why they don't want Mayweather and why they never wanted the third fight with Marquez. That 3rd fight ain't happening in October now, trust.

 

[Spectrum]

You put a 33 year old Duran in there with that version of Shane and he would have done Sugar like Davey Moore. Pac is mad sloppy when he can't do what he wants. He's been able to do what he wants fighting weak ass dummy fights set up by Arum.

yep. Duran would have cut that ring in half. Very bad fight for Pacman... he still doesnt world-class boxing IQ. He is the type of fighter that will be DONE once his quickness goes...another RJJ...but he wont be stupid enough to fight that long.

 

[YounGunnCam9395]

Manny tried to fight cautious and defensive for the majority of the fight until he realized that Shane couldn't hurt him with those love taps. It's kind of boring when you have to chase after someone who doesn't even try to hit you back but instead wants to give you high 5's after every exchange. On top of that, they was hugging it out in every prefight press conference so there was no animosity at all between the fighters. Trust me Manny will not be so nice to Floyd and it will be a completely different fight than the love fest we saw tonight.

 

[grownazzblakman]

Funny how when Floyd is moving tactically and not letting ninjas hit him, it's called boxing but when Oscar or Mosley does it, ya'll call it running. So Shane was supposed to stand there and let Pacman hit him? C'mon fam, this ain't that sloppy stand up in MMA, this is science. If Pac couldn't get to Shane that's on HIM, not Shane. I'll tell you what. You put a 33 year old Duran in there with that version of Shane and he would have done Sugar like Davey Moore. Pac is mad sloppy when he can't do what he wants. He's been able to do what he wants fighting weak ass dummy fights set up by Arum. Damn shame that Pac couldn't even look good against Mosley's shadow. He loses to young Mosley, ESPECIALLY if he couldn't hit him and made that many mistakes.

see my post above.

Yes. it IS tactical when Floyd does it. Know why?

The big DIFFERENCE is that Mayweather throws 'counter punches'. While moving backward.
He also dodges punches.

Shane just RAN tonite. Period.
And he got 'booed' almost the entire last round, for doing that.

No counter punches. No standing toe-to-toe while slipping jabs and uppercuts, like Mayweather.

THAT's BOXING!!

 

[slewdem100]

Not true at all. Shane did the same shit against Mayweather and Floyd took Shane to fucking school from round 3 out.

The fundamental difference between me and you on the mythical matchup is that we have different opinions on Floyd's chin. I just don't think he can take Pacman's power. Rumor is they don't think it either which is why they (Pac, Arum and Freddie) tried to force a fight after Floyd - Shane. I have no doubt that there will be stretches where Floyd will make Pacman look like a clown ass amateur. But to stay away from that power, speed and energy for 12 rounds and actually try to win the fight??? I don't see it.

 

[da_monumental_1]

There's a lot of casual fans in here. This happens to EVERY fighter (Ali,Robinson,Leonard,Duran,etc.) if they stay around too long. This is just the current in a long list of a fighters that just can pull the trigger any more. Shane is already visibly slurring his speech. Looking back in hindsight, he should have went out with a bang after the Margarito fight.

Shane, you had a great career. It's time to hang them up. See you at the Hall in five. I'll be there front row.

Hopefully, Brother Naazim will tell "Shane, you're packing it in." - Miles Davis (Sugar Ray Robinson: The Bright Lights and Dark Shadows of a Champion)

But, I have a feeling he's going to hang around too long.

"As happens with people who love a thing too much, it destroys them.
Oscar Wilde said, 'You destroy the thing that you love.' It's the other way around. What you love destroys you." — George Plimpton (When We Were Kings)

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

 

[yardy]

Styles make fights and Margarito was always overrated in my opinion. He was the perfect fighter for shane to look good against... Shane would be much faster than Margarito when Shane hits 45...

Shane is one of my favorite fighters...i would rather see him just retire...

Nah fam, I am not giving cheating ass Margarito any props at all. I'm just saying that was the last fight we saw Shane look like he still had anything left. At this point he's just fighting for them checks. I've been watching Shane for a long time when he was fighting on USA network, so trust me I am a fan. However it's time for him to retire.

 

[Spectrum]

The fundamental difference between me and you on the mythical matchup is that we have different opinions on Floyd's chin. I just don't think he can take Pacman's power.

No. I am way beyond that. I am not even worried about his chin. Pacman will be forced to BOX..not FIGHT. I am not convinced that he can actually box. Pacman is a brawler. Floyd is a world-class boxer. He would have a puncher`s chance just like Shane did..and after that, it would be a clinic...

Rumor is they don't think it either which is why they (Pac, Arum and Freddie) tried to force a fight after Floyd - Shane. I have no doubt that there will be stretches where Floyd will make Pacman look like a clown ass amateur. But to stay away from that power, speed and energy for 12 rounds and actually try to win the fight??? I don't see it.

Floyd doesnt get hit consistently enough for Pacman to be effective over 12 rounds. Floyd does struggle early with soutpaws, but he, like always, figures out his opponents and rolls punches and counterpunches too well for pacman.

Im convinced now as well that Floyd is actually quicker than Pacman too...

 

[Devilstrider]

There's a lot of casual fans in here. This happens to EVERY fighter (Ali,Robinson,Leonard,Duran,etc.) if they stay around too long. This is just the current in a long list of a fighters that just can pull the trigger any more. Shane is already visibly slurring his speech. Looking back in hindsight, he should have went out with a bang after the Margarito fight.

Shane, you had a great career. It's time to hang them up. See you at the Hall in five. I'll be there front row.

Hopefully, Brother Naazim will tell "Shane, you're packing it in." - Miles Davis (Sugar Ray Robinson: The Bright Lights and Dark Shadows of a Champion)

But, I have a feeling he's going to hang around too long.

"As happens with people who love a thing too much, it destroys them.
Oscar Wilde said, 'You destroy the thing that you love.' It's the other way around. What you love destroys you." — George Plimpton (When We Were Kings)

Damn that was deep. But you are right. Cats need to know when to call it quits. These dudes stay in the shit until they are brain dead.

 

[Spectrum]

Nah fam, I am not giving cheating ass Margarito any props at all. I'm just saying that was the last fight we saw Shane look like he still had anything left. At this point he's just fighting for them checks. I've been watching Shane for a long time when he was fighting on USA network, so trust me I am a fan. However it's time for him to retire.

I agree. Shane is one of my favorite fighters...dude is just a shadow of his former self man... like you said...fighting for checks..

 

[merce77]

Cmon' man.

The crowd was 'booing' shane. For not fighting.
And all the commentators were disappointed in Shane. For not fighting.

But Manny supposed get 'tired out' while chasing him around?

Big difference between this fight and his fight with PBF.

I did not hear the crowd 'booing' him for not putting up a fight.

There was no difference in what Shane did in his fight against Floyd and what he did tonight, fought almost the same exact fight. Floyd looked great and pretty much hit him at will, Manny struggled to land anything clean for about 8 rounds. No fighter is gonna stand still and let you hit him, that's what them Filipino's in the crowd who were booing wanted, just to see Manny look good. And if he couldn't do that with a totally shot Mosley then you have your answer as to why the fight with Floyd hasn't happened or even a 3rd fight with Marquez. Look, Oscar had one foot in the grave practically when they fought, Hatton is head first club fighter with no chin, Cotto was a beaten down fighter physically and mentally, Clottey wouldn't throw any punches but still landed over 50% when he did throw, and Margarito plain sucks as a boxer without them plaster hands so....not that hard to look like a universe conqueror against comp like that. Mosley WAS once a great fighter who could box and brawl, mad experience there, but he's physically gone. Manny couldn't even really do anything with Shane's experience. What does he hope to do against floyd who's still in his prime, just as fast, best defensive fighter of his era and very underrated power, he'll be embarassed fam, that's all this fight showed me tonight.

 

[Alaskanredman]

Cmon' man.

The crowd was 'booing' shane. For not fighting.
And all the commentators were disappointed in Shane. For not fighting.

But Manny supposed get 'tired out' while chasing him around?

Big difference between this fight and his fight with PBF.

I did not hear the crowd 'booing' him for not putting up a fight.

And...

No one is going to stand there for the brain damage.

Its a fight generally one guy is the aggressor and the other is defense. Manny as the aggressor shouldn't be afraid of getting tired if he want to hurt his opponent.

Big different between the two fights is Floyd kept landing clean shots.

 

[TJervey]

It is easy to look bad against a fighter who is just trying to survive. Pacman devastated Shane so badly in the third round that he did not even attempt to mount any offense after that. As a big time Floyd fan, there was nothing in this fight that made me any more confident about Floyd's chances.

Truth is, Pac is a unique type of fighter that a straight counter puncher will not do well against him. Floyd is very versatile from a defensive perspective, but he will lose on the score cards due to the sheer volume of punches Manny throws... and he WILL get caught by some of them! Floyd will definitely need to take a few chances an not just sit in the pocket and throw counters.... that is where I believe his downfall might be...

As for Shane, I like what you said, every wants to point out what Manny didn't do, etc. but, Floyd didn't know Shane out either, and it was Manny's arsenal which made Shane haul ass... I have never seen Shane run like he did tonight... Manny's power and strength did that to him... He basically admitted that himself....

 

[Spectrum]

Damn that was deep. But you are right. Cats need to know when to call it quits. These dudes stay in the shit until they are brain dead.

RJJ... Jones is still trying to fight

 

[Spectrum]

Truth is, Pac is a unique type of fighter that a straight counter puncher will not do well against him. :

What are you casual fans talking about... JMM counterpunched Pacman to death and was robbed of a decision.. a defensive-minded counterpuncher is EXACTLY the type of fighter that Pacman has always struggled against... even Freddie Roach has admitted that much.