Manny Pacquiao vs. Juan Manuel Marquez..Predictions and Streams

This is why Floyd will NEVER be like Ali--even though he'll have the make-it-rain era fooled.

Ali sought out challenges like Sonny, Frazier, Norton, Lyle, Shavers, Foreman, Al Lewis and he fought in other countries when he did not have to.

I hope Floyd did not let fear get the best of him, if he ever was afraid.

And he fought Liston a second time even after Liston likely cheated against him in the first fight. I'm sure the BGOL sex boxing historians on here know about Liston having illegal shit on his gloves which had Ali fighting temporarily blind during the first fight. This happened and he STILL fought Liston again AND Liston had mafia connections. And Floyd wants to hide behind some fake PED tales before even fighting?:smh:
 
Bro, you make no sense and nothing you have said is in line with common sense or logic. You just saw a fighter get robbed after dismantling Pac, yet you say a guy who whipped that fighters ass and merely requests olympic style testing is "scared"?

Floyds basic premise is that Manny may be a cheat. We just watched a Manny opponent get "cheated", and your immediate conclusion is that Floyd is "scared"?:confused:


Do you watch boxing? When has Floyd ever been a KO artist and when has Manny ever been a get KO'ed artist? You make less sense than Gene Cisco.

These niggaz fight for a living my man. This shit is life threatening battle. WHy would he enter a battle with one he KNOWS receives preferential treatment from the judges and who he suspects may be on PEDs? Its easy for you to sit on your couch and call someone a coward for requesting drug testing while suggesting that he instead knock his opponent out as if it were routine or commonplace to do so.

How does a fight where a man is soundly defeated, yet GIVEN a victory, inspire confidence in a potential future opponent:confused:? Thats ass backwards logic.

co sign on both points. The more then niggas talk the less they look like fools.

ninjas don't know shit about boxing. But I truly hope Money get in the ring with Pac and whoop Pac's ass.. then you will see these same niggas avoid bgol like the plague.
 
This is why Floyd will NEVER be like Ali--even though he'll have the make-it-rain era fooled.

Ali sought out challenges like Sonny, Frazier, Norton, Lyle, Shavers, Foreman, Al Lewis and he fought in other countries when he did not have to.

I hope Floyd did not let fear get the best of him, if he ever was afraid.

You fuckin cocksuckers w/ ya non-stop bullshit...this fuckin fight and the fucked up decision is fuckin evidence of the Pac Mayweather fight...it's not about fear or drugs or any of the bullshit you fuck niggas is tryna argue about...it's about milkin the anticipation of the fight for as long as they can...they fucked up tho cuz Marquez even tho he lost threw a monkey wrench in the plans now that he showed the chink in Packiow's armor...Packiow will fight Mayweather in the next 1-2 fights...my guess is his next fight will be w/ Mayweather...any talks of fear w/ this fake ass shit is fuckin bullshit...only thing Mayweather probably fear is how the fight will be scripted to justify the powers that be scripting a sequel and then a final fight in the tirlogy
 
You fuckin cocksuckers w/ ya non-stop bullshit...this fuckin fight and the fucked up decision is fuckin evidence of the Pac Mayweather fight...it's not about fear or drugs or any of the bullshit you fuck niggas is tryna argue about...it's about milkin the anticipation of the fight for as long as they can...they fucked up tho cuz Marquez even tho he lost threw a monkey wrench in the plans now that he showed the chink in Packiow's armor...Packiow will fight Mayweather in the next 1-2 fights...my guess is his next fight will be w/ Mayweather...any talks of fear w/ this fake ass shit is fuckin bullshit...only thing Mayweather probably fear is how the fight will be scripted to justify the powers that be scripting a sequel and then a final fight in the tirlogy

Now, now tough guy, you know words hurt my feelings:)

Anticipation? This fight was called out BY THE FANS years ago, but instead Floyd retired and got into legal problems.

Don't let your like for a fighter blind you of the facts. They could have been on fight no. 2 or 3 by now. O yea, fucke 'em both. I've been saying that for years. BTW, what I posted above were the facts. You mad?
 
Bruh several boxers have tested positive for Peds in recent years. Off the top of my head Roy jones, Shane mosley and Fernando vargas. If there was no advantage to using them why would they be using them. Further more there is no precedence for what Pac is doing, moving from 106 to 145 and getting stronger and faster as you pass the age of 30..:hmm: add all that up with his shady reasons for test dodging.

So if PAC can do it, why hasn't anyone else? Not one cat on this board has answered that basic question. Do you know how fucked up the higher weight divisions would be if they ran what PAC is supposedly running? He is the only one in the universe to figure out the cycle? Come on man.

The PEDs that those fighters were caught running don't do what Manny is accused of doing(and avoid normal testing). That is why cats can't argue PEDs unless they know WTF they are talking about.

Fear? That is a whole different story.

I have yet to see one Mayweather supporter say....

:D " Manny is running this for(amount of weeks), then running this(for amount of weeks), then tapering with this or introducing this."

Not one BGOL member, or cats outside of here has made one fucking bit of sense.
 
I feel you, and I've been a relatively vocal supporter of Manny, but at this point, what has to now happen is, the boxing writers, commentators, etc. have to put a good face on this, write things which will subliminally sway public opinion, because Manny's inability to dominate in this fight against a 38 year old Marquez who was dominated two years ago by Floyd has fucked up the perception of their potential 'Super' fight, and a lot of people who stand to make a lot of money need to do a lot of PR work to get this fight back to where it should be in terms of the court of public opinion, after Manny fucked up tonight and fought like a damn amateur. And punch stats don't tell the whole story, break that shit out by rounds or whatever, but there are many fights where guys have lost badly after having 'dominated' punch stats. That is only one dynamic of overall fight judging Dude...

Hey, I'm not going off of punch stats. I'm going off of what I saw on my crystal clear 60 inch HDTV tonight which is great for watching porn by the way. Anyway, I was not happy with the fight. I wanted to see something definitive. I thought the ending was just as mysterious and inconclusive as the first two. I thought it was a poor performance for Manny and I thought the fight should have been either a draw or a close win for Manny. Marquez's corner was acting like he was just dominating the shit out of Pacquiao and I didn't see that. Marquez makes Pacquiao's lefty stance work against him and is just a stylistic nightmare for Pac. On paper, I think Mayweather would beat Pac but the fact that he has essentially delayed this fight with Pac because of trumped up PED charges makes me think there is fear and Mayweather might not be able to win this fight because of the mental factor.

People say it's not fear but of course it's fear because if Mayweather could fight Paulie Malignaggi for 50 million dollars he would do it in a heartbeat without any of this PED claim nonsense. So there definitely is a mental factor to consider when thinking of a fight between Mayweather and Pacquiao. Mayweather obviously respects something about Pacquiao and does not think the fight will be as easy as his fans say it will.
 
Still an open BGOL challenge. Name the PEDs Manny is taking our STFU about it. Not one member has been able to do so.

Still waiting for anyone to answer this question. Don't answer it on the main board. Shoot me a pm so I can start mapping out cycles for boxers and get rich...
 
So if PAC can do it, why hasn't anyone else? Not one cat on this board has answered that basic question. Do you know how fucked up the higher weight divisions would be if they ran what PAC is supposedly running? He is the only one in the universe to figure out the cycle? Come on man.

The PEDs that those fighters were caught running don't do what Manny is accused of doing(and avoid normal testing). That is why cats can't argue PEDs unless they know WTF they are talking about.

Fear? That is a whole different story.

I have yet to see one Mayweather supporter say....

:D " Manny is running this for(amount of weeks), then running this(for amount of weeks), then tapering with this or introducing this."

Not one BGOL member, or cats outside of here has made one fucking bit of sense.

Dog. real simple. No one knows what peds if any Manny is taking. The reason why no one knows this is because he wont take a damn test. Do we have to be ped experts to see manny wont take a random test..:confused:

Further.. You say PBF asked pacman to take the test as a means of ducking pac. How the hell could PBF have anticipated pac would not have taken the test?
 
Hey, I'm not going off of punch stats. I'm going off of what I saw on my crystal clear 60 inch HDTV tonight which is great for watching porn by the way. Anyway, I was not happy with the fight. I wanted to see something definitive. I thought the ending was just as mysterious and inconclusive as the first two. I thought it was a poor performance for Manny and I thought the fight should have been either a draw or a close win for Manny. Marquez's corner was acting like he was just dominating the shit out of Pacquiao and I didn't see that. Marquez makes Pacquiao's lefty stance work against him and is just a stylistic nightmare for Pac. On paper, I think Mayweather would beat Pac but the fact that he has essentially delayed this fight with Pac because of trumped up PED charges makes me think there is fear and Mayweather might not be able to win this fight because of the mental factor.

People say it's not fear but of course it's fear because if Mayweather could fight Paulie Malignaggi for 50 million dollars he would do it in a heartbeat without any of this PED claim nonsense. So there definitely is a mental factor to consider when thinking of a fight between Mayweather and Pacquiao. Mayweather obviously respects something about Pacquiao and does not think the fight will be as easy as his fans say it will.
Have tried to make this point on BGOL on 3 occasions and nobody paid the posts any mind. Floyd Sr. said "I do not want my son to fight that man". In addition, what does it mean when you think a guy is so amazing that he must be on PED's? Has to be a fear factor some where. Not a fear of Manny as much as a fear of losing that undefeated record.
U saw the fight on TV and your version of the fight is matching up with Boxingtalk's. Looks like another controversy for this trilogy. What I saw on the feed was JMM winning and frustrating Manny.
 
:yes: bernard speaking the truth
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FLOYD AINT AND IN MY OPINION SHOULDN'T FIGHT PACQUIAO ! HE SHOULD GIVE MARQUEZ ANOTHER SHOT FUCK BOB ARUM AND MANNY PUSSYAO :lol: MARQUEZ DESERVE A BIG PAYDAY!
 
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The sad shit is I was watching the UK feed (very clear) that Amir Khan (Manny's stable mate) was commentating on and he and his partner were dickriding Manny the entire fight and even they broke down and admitted Pac got his ass beat.

The other commentator called it a virtuoso performance :lol::smh:

I don't care what anyone says I know what I saw and Manny got schooled tonight, he looked like a confused fighter who had only been fighting for a couple of years

That's the link I watched.. It was so fugging clear that Marquez won.. Hbo telecast must have did a hellava job fooling cats.. I have no fukn idea how anyone could have pac winning
 
I can't front, I hope they fight, WITHOUT the test, and Floyd Fucks Manny's big headed ass up!!! I know why this happened, too much money left on the table but these assholes didn't plan on Marquez fighting his ass off like this!?!?!?! This shit wasn't even close, and I've been a HUGE Manny supporter up to this point!! Politics and all... I really hope they fight in May, and I don't want to see Floyd knock him out early, I want to see Floyd punish the shit out of him first!!! This is some bullshit!!!! :angry:

Totally disagree!!! Marquez dominated his ass in a similar style Floyd would use, and is less talented and was dominated by Floyd! Floyd will dominate Manny after what I've seen tonight... No doubt at all!!!! Manny is tailor made for Floyd, a brawler with no plan B!!!! :smh:

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
What happen to all the hate you had for Floyd?:confused:
Just last week Floyd was a bitch, Manny was the best thing since slice bread.
Singing a different tune now huh?
 
pbf is quicker than jmm and has a better overall defense, and he's younger.....

So yeah Manny & roach should be worried about a pbf matchup.

The 2 real secret of this fight is that pbf needs to fight manny at a smaller weight so he can't juice up and use that added strength to have an unfair advantage. Also PBF would have to be active early on to discourage the judges from just giving it to manny.
 
Dog. real simple. No one knows what peds if any Manny is taking. The reason why no one knows this is because he wont take a damn test. Do we have to be ped experts to see manny wont take a random test..:confused:

Further.. You say PBF asked pacman to take the test as a means of ducking pac. How the hell could PBF have anticipated pac would not have taken the test?

I think so. Since Manny is doing something so unheard of.

Why ask for the test not knowing he would decline? He had to have known Manny hated the accusations.
 
pbf is quicker than jmm and has a better overall defense, and he's younger.....

So yeah Manny & roach should be worried about a pbf matchup.

The 2 real secret of this fight is that pbf needs to fight manny at a smaller weight so he can't juice up and use that added strength to have an unfair advantage. Also PBF would have to be active early on to discourage the judges from just giving it to manny.
And he's much faster than JMM and at least as fast as Manny if not faster.

A better defensive fighter, longer reach than Manny, two inches height advantage.

Floyd has some difficulty with southpaws, but Manny has difficulty with active fighters who don't stay in front of him too long.
 
So if PAC can do it, why hasn't anyone else? Not one cat on this board has answered that basic question. Do you know how fucked up the higher weight divisions would be if they ran what PAC is supposedly running? He is the only one in the universe to figure out the cycle? Come on man.

The PEDs that those fighters were caught running don't do what Manny is accused of doing(and avoid normal testing). That is why cats can't argue PEDs unless they know WTF they are talking about.

Fear? That is a whole different story.

I have yet to see one Mayweather supporter say....

:D " Manny is running this for(amount of weeks), then running this(for amount of weeks), then tapering with this or introducing this."

Not one BGOL member, or cats outside of here has made one fucking bit of sense.

I notice you keep changing the goalpost on this issue.

1st, to your question about why hasnt anyone else been able to do it. PEDs will never be the "only" or "main" reason someone is on top. Doesnt mean they dont help. Look at Lance Armstrong. God knows he wasnt the only cyclist on juice, but no one else could match him right? One would assume he took them or a reason no?

2nd, though you maintain that PEDs cannot help boxers, there have now been many boxers caught using them. Allegations made against many many more. The guys who sell em boast about long lists of boxers as customers. So which is it? Have they all been duped into thinking it helps?

To me, plainly, any PEDs that help with endurance will help a boxer. How could it not?
 
I watched the fight with no sound on (had a Mexican feed) and scored the fight round by round and i had it a draw.

I think sometimes we get caught up in the announcers opinions of the fight combined with our pre-fight expectations. When you expect A to blow out B but they don't you tend to think B is winning even if they aren't.

Manny didn't dominate because he fought a poor fight plan. He fought basically the same fight as he did the first two fights. He failed to move to his right, didn't anticipate counters, didn't start making adjustments with his movement (in and out) to neutralize Marquez's counterpunching until the last four rounds or so.

If he had fought the same game plan against Marquez as he did against De La Hoya he would have won more easily.
 
That's the link I watched.. It was so fugging clear that Marquez won.. Hbo telecast must have did a hellava job fooling cats.. I have no fukn idea how anyone could have pac winning

Wow, so you don't think the fight was even close? Marquez just beat Pacquiao all over the ring in a wipe out?
 
I watched the fight with no sound on (had a Mexican feed) and scored the fight round by round and i had it a draw.

I think sometimes we get caught up in the announcers opinions of the fight combined with our pre-fight expectations. When you expect A to blow out B but they don't you tend to think B is winning even if they aren't.

Manny didn't dominate because he fought a poor fight plan. He fought basically the same fight as he did the first two fights. He failed to move to his right, didn't anticipate counters, didn't start making adjustments with his movement (in and out) to neutralize Marquez's counterpunching until the last four rounds or so.

If he had fought the same game plan against Marquez as he did against De La Hoya he would have won more easily.

Most objective post yet. A draw was probably the most appropriate possible result.
 
I think so. Since Manny is doing something so unheard of.

Why ask for the test not knowing he would decline? He had to have known Manny hated the accusations.

Exactly, its possible that he is doing something unheard of. Therfore we cant be experts on what he is doing. Thats why you take the test.

Yeah, PBF would have known that manny would hate the accusations so much that he would walk away from the test that could prove how just how clean he is..:hmm:
 
Manny can't beat Floyd for one main reason, he can't fight you when you circle himleft in the middle of the ring and stay away from his straight left hand. Shane exposed this in the beginning 4 rounds, but couldn't keep it up because of his age and marquez try to continue what shane couldn't do, which I thought he did:hmm:. Anyways, floyd is in better shape than Shane and quicker and better counterpuncher than Marquez....FINGER
 
I watched the fight with no sound on (had a Mexican feed) and scored the fight round by round and i had it a draw.

I think sometimes we get caught up in the announcers opinions of the fight combined with our pre-fight expectations. When you expect A to blow out B but they don't you tend to think B is winning even if they aren't.

Manny didn't dominate because he fought a poor fight plan. He fought basically the same fight as he did the first two fights. He failed to move to his right, didn't anticipate counters, didn't start making adjustments with his movement (in and out) to neutralize Marquez's counterpunching until the last four rounds or so.

If he had fought the same game plan against Marquez as he did against De La Hoya he would have won more easily.

Fuck all that... My nigga was at the fight and said the Filipinos around him in the crowd were crying after the 11th round... dude lost and Marquez was robbed.
 
Still waiting for anyone to answer this question. Don't answer it on the main board. Shoot me a pm so I can start mapping out cycles for boxers and get rich...

I remember Roger saying, it was the same stuff they gave to vietnamese soldiers.
He said that why he able to withstand so much punishment. :dunno: He can take a punch better now, from bigger fighter too.
 
Exactly, its possible that he is doing something unheard of. Therfore we cant be experts on what he is doing. Thats why you take the test.

Yeah, PBF would have known that manny would hate the accusations so much that he would walk away from the test that could prove how just how clean he is..:hmm:

Bruh, too much money in it. Trainers worldwide would be giving his stack to MMA fighters and boxers. No way has it been a secret this long in this age.

All I know is the cat got his ass beat tonight. The fix is in. Fuck PEDs, boxers should be more concerned finding a way to get the judges right.


 
I remember Roger saying, it was the same stuff they gave to vietnamese soldiers.
He said that why he able to withstand so much punishment. :dunno: He can take a punch better now, from bigger fighter too.

And bullets too apparently :lol::lol::lol:
 
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