Breaking... Warner Bros entire slate of 2021 films to be released same day on HBOMAX .. Holy Shit

Also something I was viewing earlier about big biz in general is that in recent yrs they have fallen in love with the idea of monthly subscription or membership payments.. think Costco..Costco biggest revenue maker is their yearly membership I believe it’s 85 percent of their profit..companies like the fact that they can either convince you to pay a monthly fee or a yrly fee..consistent revenue is the new name of the game and that’s why things like streaming services are gonna be a lot of media vocal point.. theatres fucked up by not seeing the subscription concept sooner to pull in more movie go’ers.. now these companies that create content has and well they bout to push the middle man more to the side and generate more revenue
 
Also something I was viewing earlier about big biz in general is that in recent yrs they have fallen in love with the idea of monthly subscription or membership payments.. think Costco..Costco biggest revenue maker is their yearly membership I believe it’s 85 percent of their profit..companies like the fact that they can either convince you to pay a monthly fee or a yrly fee..consistent revenue is the new name of the game and that’s why things like streaming services are gonna be a lot of media vocal point.. theatres fucked up by not seeing the subscription concept sooner to pull in more movie go’ers.. now these companies that create content has and well they bout to push the middle man more to the side and generate more revenue




Good point about subscription services. Noticed that over the years with many podcasts.

Some of the main sponsors are the likes of Quip, Bevel, Dollar Shave Club, and Manscaped for the likes of toothbrushing, shaving, personal grooming, etc.

Or those clothing and "mystery box"-type programs which were also common over the years.

I remember hearing a radio report years back during the holiday season which stated some stats re: giftcard sales (especially back in the day when many cards had expiry dates). Businesses and retailers loved selling them as it was basically a guaranteed sale of that dollar amount, no matter if that amount was ever fully redeemed during the expiry window or not. It's definitely that prime real estate up near store checkout wherein people are waiting and tempted by stuff like gum, chocolate bars, magazines & GCs. Those quick impulse buys. Thankfully those expiry dates aren't in place anymore, so people can redeem those joints at their leisure way later.
 
This is what I named my TV. Without using Google, guess the reference, October 26, 1985

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Since it's an 80s thing, I'm going to guess "BACK TO THE FUTURE"!

I was just looking at the 4K collection a few days ago. But ended up not buying it. Only like the first film.

I saw the first one opening day.
 
Circuit city ended, mad record stores ended, sports authority no more, modells gone, and so many more in the past 2 decades... you hear any rioting outside cause of it? Blockbuster got killed by Netflix..did the crime rate go up? .. biz is like life there’s a start and there’s an end.. yet things around it still go on..welcome to society
It's called change and we all know some don't like change much.
 
they BEEN down they BEEN WARNED

but REAL TALK?

this CAN be salvaged.

seriously the blueprint exists and is viable its a question of just how COMMITTED they are

and if MAYBE

the government steps in to SAVE the industry.
Government help? Man, they seen Mitch's skinny bill and said :curse: "fuck it". Guess the hollywood lobby ain't hit them pockets right. So they got no money AND a new president who won't rush the reopening process to their liking.


I UNDERSTAND HBO not wanting HBO max content on competitors platforms

but that's WHAT IT IS NOW

they ALREADY releasing DC WB content on THERE

so why do this?

Pennyworth is on EPIX, Sandman gonna be on another service too

So just let these rival platforms PAY YOU

Mavrel did it with Netflix

it only HELPED.

its shortsighted sh*t like this that is a dark foreshadowing on how these streaming apps gonna fail.
In all honestly, these stubborn ass dinosaurs should have been releasing to their own platforms to get people there. Greedy, old fucks just were too fucking stubborn. Keep pushing their bullshit movies back instead of using them to drive customers to the fucking future. :smh:

Anyone who is in a business where Amazon is making a play better start fucking acting like Amazon is making a play. Amazon got loot to straight up shortstop all these fools. Picture them in 2030 when more young people don't think the theater experience is necessary and ecommerce is way bigger than now. Good luck competing.

What Marvel did with Netflix stopped as soon as Netflix realized they were getting pimped. Money ain't worth it if the competition building their own. Why promote them?
 
:lol::lol::lol:

Don't put my content in your movies, I want nothing to do with any of the companies.
 
Also something I was viewing earlier about big biz in general is that in recent yrs they have fallen in love with the idea of monthly subscription or membership payments.. think Costco..Costco biggest revenue maker is their yearly membership I believe it’s 85 percent of their profit..companies like the fact that they can either convince you to pay a monthly fee or a yrly fee..consistent revenue is the new name of the game and that’s why things like streaming services are gonna be a lot of media vocal point.. theatres fucked up by not seeing the subscription concept sooner to pull in more movie go’ers.. now these companies that create content has and well they bout to push the middle man more to the side and generate more revenue

Post of the year nominee

Financial category
 
Across the entire country crime is on the rise in neighborhoods with low income people.

Theaters employ kids that need jobs. Malls employ kids that need jobs.

Is netflix going to hire them?

If these opportunities are completely gone because they have moved to the net.

What is going to replace them?

Nothing. Therefore my assumption is that CRIME will increase.

Robbery, fraud, drugs, prosititution, random acts of violence, you name it.

You guys don't understand when I say shit. Y'all aint looking at the big picture. I am trying to save y'all and y'all don't want to be saved.

Y'all just want free movies. You dont know what else is gonna happen when y'all get it.

Trust that piracy will soon be ended. They FBI is gonna arrest people in the future.

Circuit city ended, mad record stores ended, sports authority no more, modells gone, and so many more in the past 2 decades... you hear any rioting outside cause of it? Blockbuster got killed by Netflix..did the crime rate go up? .. biz is like life there’s a start and there’s an end.. yet things around it still go on..welcome to society
 
600 million is breaking even.

When a movie costs 250m to make and makes 1 billion, the studio is not seeing 750m.

Marketing costs, percentages of profits paid to studios, actors, producers etc aren't mentioned.


from what I can tell rough estimate 100 to 150 seems to be the ceiling price range between netflix and prime (not counting HBO MAX because Warner Bros and HBO are all under ATT, I believe).

COMING TO AMERICA 2--AMAZON PRIME--125 million purchase from Paramount Studios
UNDER GROUND 6--NETFLIX--150 million purchase from Skydance Films
THE IRISHMAN--NETFLIX--159 million--I believe this was a Netflix original. As for the price, the reports about the de-aging effects is what made this movie the most expensive example I could find.

Here is a article I found that talks about a number of films in the 30+ range:

For comparison, No Time to Die the newest 007 movie budget is said to be 250 Million. Box office for the Craig Bond films has been anywhere from 500 million to 1 billion in grosses. With this supposedly being the last of the Craig era (thus the extra hype), the 600 million asking price wasn't too crazy
 
600 million is breaking even.

When a movie costs 250m to make and makes 1 billion, the studio is not seeing 750m.

Marketing costs, percentages of profits paid to studios, actors, producers etc aren't mentioned.
Not disagreeing with any of that. All I was pointing out was gross ticket sales. With what you are bringing up is even more reason it will be hard for certain films to go to a streaming only route.

The only counter point I bring up is maybe marketing costs for the studio will substantially decrease because now it will up to the streaming service to market the movie (or cover a major chunk of it).
 
Included. It is "free". ATT owns WB and HBO and all that.
Your ATT service is SOOOOOO over priced that they can trick you into thinking shit is "free".

The Federal Government should break up these companies and help the American people but they won't.
Corporations pay them to fuck us over.

free with my ATT internet too
 
600 million is breaking even.

When a movie costs 250m to make and makes 1 billion, the studio is not seeing 750m.

Marketing costs, percentages of profits paid to studios, actors, producers etc aren't mentioned.
Its hard to tell the cost of Wonder Woman though being its not going to have ht same roll out....chances are they lose money but the question is do they make up for it with the subscribers they get? Because now that you've straight up told people you going to drop more...these aren't going to be one time subscribers this might be able to holdover some for the whole year.
 
Also something I was viewing earlier about big biz in general is that in recent yrs they have fallen in love with the idea of monthly subscription or membership payments.. think Costco..Costco biggest revenue maker is their yearly membership I believe it’s 85 percent of their profit..companies like the fact that they can either convince you to pay a monthly fee or a yrly fee..consistent revenue is the new name of the game and that’s why things like streaming services are gonna be a lot of media vocal point.. theatres fucked up by not seeing the subscription concept sooner to pull in more movie go’ers.. now these companies that create content has and well they bout to push the middle man more to the side and generate more revenue

Shit WWE peeped that shit by offering a monthly service and throwing in PPV's....they knew damn well more than likely people were going to look to pirate those PPV's...instead offer up vintage nostalgia on the app, some original programing and some free PPV's.....didn't make sense to me at the time but it makes sense in hindsight.
 
Across the entire country crime is on the rise in neighborhoods with low income people.

Theaters employ kids that need jobs. Malls employ kids that need jobs.

Is netflix going to hire them?

If these opportunities are completely gone because they have moved to the net.

What is going to replace them?

Nothing. Therefore my assumption is that CRIME will increase.

Robbery, fraud, drugs, prosititution, random acts of violence, you name it.

You guys don't understand when I say shit. Y'all aint looking at the big picture. I am trying to save y'all and y'all don't want to be saved.

Y'all just want free movies. You dont know what else is gonna happen when y'all get it.

Trust that piracy will soon be ended. They FBI is gonna arrest people in the future.

all of the stuff you mention has been happening. and crime is currently at a decades years low. and the pandemic has made it even lower since people are really supposed to be at home and there are less targets for criminals to perform crime.

pay attention. the world is undergoing a paradigm shift. things will NOT be the same for the people of the world after the pandemic is cured. if that can truly ever happen. what people fail to understand about the vaccines that have been produced is that they lose effectiveness after 3 months. and many people will probably not be taking it, me included on the first few rounds.

watch how commercials, network tv, radio and the news are programming people. they are preparing for a people at home culture. everything from prepared food, groceries, entertainment, schooling, etc is being set to be done from home. infrastructure is being created to support that.

you went from hollywood will not bypass the theaters to now the sky is falling after hollywood decided to bypass the theaters. lol. what is really happening is evolve or die. and that has been the way of the world for people, civilizations and business since the beginning of time.
 
HBO Max isn't on Roku yet? And yeah I'm shocked it hasn't and it LG. HBO never was on there....but I have Showtime and Starz on there...

Nah they still have the HBO Go or whatever the old app was callled....which works I logged in and was able to watch anything it just ain't the official HBO max....It's on the ps4 tho so it doesn't matter foreal.
 
Nah they still have the HBO Go or whatever the old app was callled....which works I logged in and was able to watch anything it just ain't the official HBO max....It's on the ps4 tho so it doesn't matter foreal.
They just brought it to the fire stick which shocked me. Seems like it should be rolling out to Roku not much longer if they are going to do it.
 
Across the entire country crime is on the rise in neighborhoods with low income people.

Theaters employ kids that need jobs. Malls employ kids that need jobs.

Is netflix going to hire them?

If these opportunities are completely gone because they have moved to the net.

What is going to replace them?

Nothing. Therefore my assumption is that CRIME will increase.

Robbery, fraud, drugs, prosititution, random acts of violence, you name it.

You guys don't understand when I say shit. Y'all aint looking at the big picture. I am trying to save y'all and y'all don't want to be saved.

Y'all just want free movies. You dont know what else is gonna happen when y'all get it.

Trust that piracy will soon be ended. They FBI is gonna arrest people in the future.
So not being able to serve popcorn is gonna force girls into prostitution? Bwahaaa how much money do you think movie theatre workers make? You know most prob make less than 10 bucks outside of nyc.. if You think a dude that can’t sweep up crumbs in a seat is gonna all of a sudden become a kingpin due to lack of theatre jobs.. your sky is fallen antics is hilarious..it actually sounds pretty white.. I can imagine a cac going into hysteria and screaming out the theatre jobs are leaving there will be mass riots, killings, etc and him going nuts and than jumping off a bridge.. your chicken little rants are classic.. you go overboard every single time
 
Crime is at a low? Where? Did you read what I wrote? Look at my first sentence.

all of the stuff you mention has been happening. and crime is currently at a decades years low. and the pandemic has made it even lower since people are really supposed to be at home and there are less targets for criminals to perform crime.

pay attention. the world is undergoing a paradigm shift. things will NOT be the same for the people of the world after the pandemic is cured. if that can truly ever happen. what people fail to understand about the vaccines that have been produced is that they lose effectiveness after 3 months. and many people will probably not be taking it, me included on the first few rounds.

watch how commercials, network tv, radio and the news are programming people. they are preparing for a people at home culture. everything from prepared food, groceries, entertainment, schooling, etc is being set to be done from home. infrastructure is being created to support that.

you went from hollywood will not bypass the theaters to now the sky is falling after hollywood decided to bypass the theaters. lol. what is really happening is evolve or die. and that has been the way of the world for people, civilizations and business since the beginning of time.
 
Why are you like this? You want to take shit to the extreme and use the straw man theory and read more into what I say ALL the time.

Did I say anyone is going to be a drug kingpin?

What did I say? Read what I wrote then respond properly and then I will engage you.

I said crime will rise. Crime is rising in low income areas. There is where people have less opportunity.

You can sell weed and pills and make 250/week. Is that a drug kingpin?

Selling crack for the first time will get you 5 years in prison. Is that a drug kingpin?

Taking some bread and eggs from a grocery store will land you in jail. Are you are an international jewel thief?

It is all CRIME.

Lack of opportunities breeds crime. That is a FACT.

You should know that based on all the shit you talk about.

Who said shit about a mass riot?

Man you really be crazy and off sometimes.

So not being able to serve popcorn is gonna force girls into prostitution? Bwahaaa how much money do you think movie theatre workers make? You know most prob make less than 10 bucks outside of nyc.. if You think a dude that can’t sweep up crumbs in a seat is gonna all of a sudden become a kingpin due to lack of theatre jobs.. your sky is fallen antics is hilarious..it actually sounds pretty white.. I can imagine a cac going into hysteria and screaming out the theatre jobs are leaving there will be mass riots, killings, etc and him going nuts and than jumping off a bridge.. your chicken little rants are classic.. you go overboard every single time
 
Why are you like this? You want to take shit to the extreme and use the straw man theory and read more into what I say ALL the time.

Did I say anyone is going to be a drug kingpin?

What did I say? Read what I wrote then respond properly and then I will engage you.

I said crime will rise. Crime is rising in low income areas. There is where people have less opportunity.

You can sell weed and pills and make 250/week. Is that a drug kingpin?

Selling crack for the first time will get you 5 years in prison. Is that a drug kingpin?

Taking some bread and eggs from a grocery store will land you in jail. Are you are an international jewel thief?

It is all CRIME.

Lack of opportunities breeds crime. That is a FACT.

You should know that based on all the shit you talk about.

Who said shit about a mass riot?

Man you really be crazy and off sometimes.
Nig reread what you said in this thread.. the movies over you the only 1 acting like society will be crushed by this and crime rate will rise cause no more movie jobs.. that’s going overboard.. like I said every yr some biz with thousands of workers end and did society go into the dark ages nah.. just time to pull out resume and find a new 1 like every other time a biz ended
 
Only thing I did write was this is the beginning of something that will have a bigger lasting effect that you people are thinking.

Crime will rise in the areas where movie theaters and malls are closing. That is a fact.

If you dont like being scared that is on you. I deal with the reality of life and think in the big picture.

I try not to be a thief especially if it is stealing from something I enjoy and want to see grow.

Y'all niggas a vultures and are eating food but dont even see that you bit your own feet before it is too late.

Nig reread what you said in this thread.. the movies over you the only 1 acting like society will be crushed by this and crime rate will rise cause no more movie jobs.. that’s going overboard.. like I said every yr some biz with thousands of workers end and did society go into the dark ages nah.. just time to pull out resume and find a new 1 like every other time a biz ended
 
Only thing I did write was this is the beginning of something that will have a bigger lasting effect that you people are thinking.

Crime will rise in the areas where movie theaters and malls are closing. That is a fact.

If you dont like being scared that is on you. I deal with the reality of life and think in the big picture.

I try not to be a thief especially if it is stealing from something I enjoy and want to see grow.

Y'all niggas a vultures and are eating food but dont even see that you bit your own feet before it is too late.
Do you pay every artist for the music you listen to? Do you pay every adult star who pic you looked at or vid you watched? Has every sporting event you ever watched received money from you? If not you also are a vulture and don’t pay for everything you view or hear for entertainment.. I hope you don’t look in the basement or view any pic/vid threads cause that would be vulture like to not pay for the content
 
Regal Owner Cineworld Reacts To Warner Bros HBO Max Seismic Shakeup; Believes Studio Will Seek Agreement On “Proper Window And Terms” When U.S. Cinemas Return
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Cineworld Group, owner of Regal Cinemas in the U.S. and the world’s second largest exhibitor, has reacted to Warner Brosbombshell Thursday announcement that its entire 2021 film slate will debut on HBO Max day-and-date with cinemas domestically. In a statement, Cineworld said the company believes that when cinemas make a comeback, Warners “will look to reach an agreement about the proper window and terms that will work for both sides.” I understand Cineworld and WB are not yet in discussions.
Cineworld’s statement (see it in full below) is somewhat more muted than that of AMC boss Adam Aron who slammed the WarnerMedia decision yesterday.











Regal Cinemas are closed in the U.S. and Cineworld CEO Mooky Greidinger believes they will reopen in the first quarter of next year. “We need to see a change in the COVID situation and a clear lineup of movies,” he tells Deadline
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Cineworld’s UK movie theaters are also still closed, and will not be reopening for WB’s Wonder Woman 1984 which releases there on December 16. Given the “current flow of product, it will not make sense to open our cinemas,” says Greidinger.
Here’s the full Cineworld statement:
“Cineworld was aware of WB’s plan to release Wonder Woman directly to its streaming service, which has been announced at a time when our cinemas remain closed in the US (Regal) and UK (Cineworld). We are very encouraged by the giant steps achieved recently with regards to the COVID-19 vaccination process, which is expected to be put in place earlier than previously anticipated. This will generate significant relief for our industry and enable our cinemas to make a great comeback. We believe that at such a time WB will look to reach an agreement about the proper window and terms that will work for both sides. Big movies are made for the big screen and we cannot wait to reopen our cinemas in Q1 in order to offer our customers, as always, the best place to watch a movie.”
Warner Bros is putting its entire 2021 theatrical slate on HBO Max for the films’ respective first month of release, WarnerMedia announced yesterday in a move that has shocked the industry. (HBO Max is currently only available domestically, so WB films will continue to play in cinemas overseas — although a PVOD option under a shortened window is being explored on Wonder Woman 1984 in the UK).



Following the one-month HBO Max access period domestically, each film will leave the platform and continue theatrically in the U.S. and international territories, with all customary distribution windows applying to the title.
 
WarnerMedia’s HBO Max Movie Move Sinks Exhibition Stocks, Throws Down Streaming Gauntlet
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“There is no way to sugarcoat this for the theater operators,” said one Wall Streeter as exhibition stocks plunged Thursday on WarnerMedia’s bombshell – a reimaging of its entire 2021 release slate that hit an exhibition industry already teetering on the brink.
Cinemark shares– up earlier in the session — lost nearly 22% of their value by the close on the news that Warner will put its entire slate next year on HBO Max in a simultaneous, month-long release alongside theatrical. The 17 films will leave the streaming service after that initial month.
AMC Entertainment, the biggest and most financially strapped, was down 16%. Marcus lost 13%, Imax fell 8% and in-theater ad firm National CineMedia pulled back 5%. That was the opposite direction of the overall market, which ended higher.


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“This raises the bar for all streamers… If enough major studios make this change, it could become permanent,” even if it’s the wrong decision for studios long term given the outsized impact of the theatrical window, he said. It’s got investors wondering if Walt Disney may toss out a similar bomb at its hotly anticipated investor day next week.
In an interview with Deadline, WarnerMedia CEO Jason Kilar said he’s committed to exhibition and the decision was purely pandemic related. But several analysts interviewed Thursday saw the move as largely AT&T/HBO Max and Wall Street driven. “It signals that AT&T clearly recognizes investors are going to reward them more for gaining subscribers for HBO Max than any other metric within the company,” said Eric Handler of MKM Partners. (AT&T shares firmed 0.48%.)
HBO Max has been slow out of the gate and at circa 8.6 million activated subscribers hasn’t swapped out all the HBO subs who could jump on for free or attracted a wave of newcomers to the service. At $14.99, it is at the high end of the streaming price range and given its roots in HBO as a premium pay-TV add-on, it hasn’t been able to do any Disney- or Apple-style deep discounting. In a crowded streaming market, high-end titles from Godzilla vs. Kong and Mortal Kombat to In The Heights, Space Jam: A New Legacy, Dune, and Matrix 4 —could drive growth, especially at no extra charge for subscribers.
The telco and media giant AT&T also is loaded with a mountain of debt (about $149 billion) so the gambit is risky. “If you take all of your films in 2021 and do a simultaneous window, it is highly doubtful that they will be able to attract enough subscribers to compensate for the lost theatrical revenue. Are they still going to spend $100 million or $200 million to market the big films? Losses incurred from HBO Max could be massive next year,” Handler said.



But it’s really theaters that are left cold. They will lose the first month of a film, usually around 90% of its theatrical revenue.
“Maybe you see it at home and say it looks like something great to watch on an Imax screen or a big screen. There is still something special about going to the movies. But this is certainly a disincentive,” said one analyst.
It’s true that with the vaccine coming in the first half of the year it will take a while to trickle down to the general population and many moviegoers may still be reluctant. “Everyone we talked to in the medical community suggests that this will persist in terms of consumer behavior and the medical situation for a bit of 2021, if not all of 2021,” Kilar told Deadline.
Still, coronavirus vaccines are coming. The Croods: A New Age had a surprisingly strong theatrical run over Thanksgiving weekend. Warner movies all go to HBO anyway, so the studio didn’t have to worry about windows, this analyst noted asking, “Why couldn’t they do this through June 30, and then revisit things?
“If I was a private [theater] company wondering, do I put a little more cash into my business to make a go out of or close my doors, this would make the decision,” he said.
AMC Entertainment announced several months ago it only had enough cash to stay solvent through late this year or early next. It recently sold 50 million shares and its Baltic theaters. On Thursday morning, it filed with the SEC to sell another 200 million shares with the stock trading at about $4 – a price that might be hard to get now (it closed at $3.63). The highly levered chain, the nation’s largest, has been trying, with the rest of the industry, to outrun the pandemic but keeps getting thrown curveballs.
“I would have liked to hear what Adam Aron screamed out when he read this,” said one Wall Streeter referring to AMC’s chief executive. Publicly, he said, “Clearly, Warner Media intends to sacrifice a considerable portion of the profitability of its movie studio division, and that of its production partners and filmmakers, to subsidize its HBO Max start up.”
One prominent film financier told Deadline he thinks Warner’s move was short-sighted but logical given recent Wall Street trends. “The market is rewarding streaming. These large media companies are trying to be opportunistic and do what will help them get through this period. They’re doing what they feel they have to do.”
And he’s optimistic the picture will change significantly as vaccines roll out and the pandemic starts to subside in 2021.
“There’s nothing to replace the kind of meaningful economic activity that a theatrical release provides as a movie gets established,” he said. “A year from now, conditions will be completely different, so I don’t think we can sit here today and say it’s the end of theaters. There is so much demand from people to get together. You see it every day.”
Talent, he added, will likely compel theatrical releases to return with greater force after the pandemic. Netflix, whose stock dipped 1% Thursday, could find itself in an interesting position when it comes to giant movies like Extraction or The Old Guard. “Could those movies have been bona fide theatrical titles? Absolutely,” one producer told Deadline. “Going forward, you could see more legitimate playtime for those Netflix and Amazon films in the larger circuits.”
Prior to the pandemic, AMC, Cinemark and Regal all declined to make deals for Netflix films after the parties sought to negotiate an exclusive theatrical window shorter than the standard 78 days. Cinemark, which has reached an agreement with Universal allowing films to go to non-theatrical release after three to five weeks depending on their gross level, also set an intriguing test with Netflix. Kurt Russell-Goldie Hawn holiday film Christmas Chronicles 2 hit the streaming service just a week after its November 18 debut on Cinemark screens.
 
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