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Where Does Lebron Rank All-Time For You As Of Today?
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Im no simply basing it on head to head, to me top five means you had to had dominated your era, being the best player on the planet for at least 6 years, and to me if you have under 2 MVP's you cannot proclaim that you are...
Plus in this era of Espy's NBA player of the year, I think this is a better barameter of who dominated and was the best player, only because they vote after the finals and some players cruse during the regular season then turn in on during the playoffs..
LeBron having more Espy's player of the than anyone, including Jordan speaks volumes how he dominated his era of basketball, while Kobe having two shows he was top dog for only two seasons...
Yeah after the Lakers raped Memphis in that bullshit trade, and after they got a few good players....
But let me dead this Kobe vs LeBron bullshit debate...
Please in your words tell me three things you think Kobe did better than LeBron, and if you cannot provide stats to back your claim your dick riding....
Your on the clock champ...
KingT when he's in his car and he gets an alert on his phone someone posted a LeBron thread, rushing back home to post in that shit! 
That's as silly as saying put Zeke's skills in Jordan's body. Athletic ability is a part of athletics. Asking us to discount an athletics strength, speed, etc is disingenuous at best.
What is Antonio Brown had Randy Moss' speed/height? that's silly...not only is the IF silly, the player wouldn't have the same traits once you completely change their bodies.
Ok cool didn't stop comparing eras because that's silly also..the game is completely different and alot easier to play than it was in the 80s..
Led both teams in ALL categories in finals. Who has ever done that?
Came back from 3-1 deficit to win the finals. Who has ever done that?
Mad a promise then won a ring for his city. Who has ever done that?
Def top 10 great. You can argue about the order until the end of time but he's steady doin shit that's never been done.
Came back from 3-1 deficit to win the finals. Who has ever done that?
Mad a promise then won a ring for his city. Who has ever done that?
Def top 10 great. You can argue about the order until the end of time but he's steady doin shit that's never been done.
Whats crazy, Kobe is a great player, no doubt, on of the all time best... But as great as he is, if you were to post his greatest games ever, I don't think one of them would come in the finals and perhaps two in the playoffs...
But with LeBron almost all of his great big games came on the big stage, what he does in the regular season pales in comparison to what he does in the post season....
Now how many players not named Jordan can make that claim...
this was his list: note there is 12 lol he couldn't even come up with 3 more players
Jordan
Kareem
Magic
Russell
Wilt
Shaq
Duncan
Kobe
Oscar
Hakeem
Bird
Lebron
Top 15 doesn't mean he is the 15th on the list. It means he falls between 11 and 15.
Easy criteria here.
If you don't have 4+ MVPs, you can't get in my top 5.
These 5 DOMINATED during their respective eras.
End of story.
Kareem - 6
Wilt - 4
Russell - 5
Jordan - 5
LeBron - 4
If you don't have 4+ MVPs, you can't get in my top 5.
These 5 DOMINATED during their respective eras.
End of story.
Kareem - 6
Wilt - 4
Russell - 5
Jordan - 5
LeBron - 4
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No one is comparing eras. Lebron is more productive than Bird on the offensive end and league's ahead of him as a defender. Lebron has been more dominant in his era as well. Bird will tell you that.
Comparing eras would be saying "Lebron would have a significant increase in production if he played in the 80s"
Thank You!!!
Don't really like comparing him with Kobe, Jordan, etc., because they are entirely different personalities and styles of play. It's like people say Lebron should "take over" more because he can... The way I see it is he's alway's goin for the right basketball play IQ wise, whether it's to pass to the open man or dish it to someone with the hot hand, etc. Nigga just into elevating his teammates. And then when the ship is about to sink and it looks like no other way he takes over. THen mufuckas say "Why this nigga don't do this all the time???"
Kobe is obsessive, aggressive, could give a fuck about how a teammate feels. Just gimme the ball mufucka. I'm the savior in this bitch. Last shot is mine. If you take the last shot and make it, I'm still cussin you out after the game and you bet not ever do it again. You a rookie don't even talk to me. I don't talk to rookies.
2 entirely different persona's. I think over time people just gon like Lebron for what he do, Kobe for what he do, Curry for what he does, etc.
This is why I challenge anyone to come up with Kobes greatest games ever then compare them with LeBrons greatest games, then compare how many Kobe games came against good teams in big games, then check LeBron big games and tell me how many of them came vs bad teams during meaningless games...Don't really like comparing him with Kobe, Jordan, etc., because they are entirely different personalities and styles of play. It's like people say Lebron should "take over" more because he can... The way I see it is he's alway's goin for the right basketball play IQ wise, whether it's to pass to the open man or dish it to someone with the hot hand, etc. Nigga just into elevating his teammates. And then when the ship is about to sink and it looks like no other way he takes over. THen mufuckas say "Why this nigga don't do this all the time???"
Kobe is obsessive, aggressive, could give a fuck about how a teammate feels. Just gimme the ball mufucka. I'm the savior in this bitch. Last shot is mine. If you take the last shot and make it, I'm still cussin you out after the game and you bet not ever do it again. You a rookie don't even talk to me. I don't talk to rookies.
2 entirely different persona's. I think over time people just gon like Lebron for what he do, Kobe for what he do, Curry for what he does, etc.
My point is that its a lot easier getting big number and padding stats vs scrubs than it is to do on the big stage with all the marbles on the line...
So yes number are great but when you put up those number can sometimes be more important than how many of them you put up...
And say what you want about LeBron from day one he has always been a prime-time big game player..
Wade past his prime? Wade was 28 years old and dropping 27pts a game. Bosh a role player? He was one of the most versatile power forwards in the game
Eras as in players from different eras..you nor i knows what bird or any other player from previous generations would do with these new rules..so it's absurd to compare unless one comes up with a formula that takes everything into account..and i haven't seen that formula..this is what we know..the rules that lbj and others now play by are no where near as tough (from am offensive perspective) as they were when magic bird mj wilt Kareem etc played..so you saying someone of this era is more productive on the offensive end is ridiculous..and since everyone likes to assume, we can all safely assume that those players and other highly skilled players would be able to put up great numbers in this era as well, probably better than we then played..
Today we have pussy rules that punish players that attack the rim hard and reward pussy players who are jump shooters...
The biggest changes I see from then to now is how the defender is now allowed to run into the guys attacking the hole drawing an offensive foul... Today they even go as far as calling a charge even if the defender is still moving.. Back in the days you tried that and you would get your ass run over with no foul...
So take that away from the defense and LeBron would be killing it even more..
What kills me is how fools think it would be one way and not the other, like if he played in the 80's folks would be fucking him up and not the other way around... All I know is that the closest player I can think of to LeBron size was Malone and nobody fucked with him, matter fact no one even fucked with Jordan like that after he got his weight up, I remember the Knicks would go after Pippen punk ass while acting like they wanted to part of Jordan..
So if that's the case imagine those players trying to come up after a big ass player like LeBron who according to the rules then could clap back...
Maybe they would push around players like Dirk and Durant, but LeBron would beat the living shit out of them smaller less athletic players back then...
Back then they knew who to fuck with, show me one video of skinny ass Kareem getting fucked up, or Dr J, or Jordan after he got swole, back then they picked on the punks especially if he didn't have any back up... I remember the NBA allowed the Pacers to get away with a lot of that bullshit, and all was good until they realized that they also allowed the Heat to do the same thing...
Then that plan got scraped real fast...
Same thing with Boston last year, it was all good but when the Cavs started swing back, they folded and started crying like bitches... As far as I can see, that approach has never worked against LeBron..
Then that plan got scraped real fast...
Same thing with Boston last year, it was all good but when the Cavs started swing back, they folded and started crying like bitches... As far as I can see, that approach has never worked against LeBron..
I don't know how lbj would play..ithink he's strong enough physically to play back then but i definitely don't think he's as tough as the older players; but i feel that way about this nba period,not just him..i do know with hand checking mofos who struggle to shoot now couldn't last in the previous eras..and if i guys could shoot back then then the most definitely could shoot now..and at a higher percentage...
u already lost when u listen to that fag queen t.. if u believe any of the horseshit that comes out of his mouth than there's no reason to argue.. kj was good and was overshadowed by hall of famers magic, zeke, stockton.. i said i rather have kj over chris paul and queen t had a hissy fit.. if u go look at their resume there's yrs that kj had better numbers than cp..unfortunately kj's best yrs were overshadowed by zeke, magic, stockton.. that's why he dosen't get the credit he deserves.. as i said some yrs magic was winning mvp's, zeke was winning finals, stockton was getting 13/14 assist per game how can somebody below those achievements get bigtime props... as far as the dumas comment ole boy was dropping like 15 points a game and was a nice piece to the suns offense.. he was an offensive weapon that helped the suns in their offensive scheme.. they went to the finals with him.. i said with him getting suspended from the league the following season is 1 of the reasons why the suns didn't make the finals the next yr and losing him prob had an overall effect why they never went back..throw in sir charles barkley back problems and there u have it..queen t cries like a bitch cause i said if lebron never jumped on the heat squad he would've been dominque 2.0..a guy with nice stats and no rings..if u look at their stats outside of assist they actually look similar..queen t cries like a bitch cause b4 this yrs final i called lebron a bailout ass nig that always need voltron squads to win it all... t-mac did have a great 5 yrs on the magic as far as offensive output b4 he started having back problems.. queen t mad cause i gave another sf props
that yr when he couldn't even average 18 points a game lebron was looking like alfred..than that yr when he was like 37 percent from the field he was looking like cat woman..it's funny how people cover their eyes to lebron 2 extra shitty finals series
I've never used Google to come up with anything. I fell asleep watching x-men with my girl.Dude is googling his ass off looking for Kobe scoring % with in 11 and a half feet between the month of November and mid December..
Tim was typing his ass off, the all of a sudden crickets...
Already posted it. Like I said, it's based on my opinion.
I stopped at Lebron, because someone asked who i had before him. Go back and read.
And why do y'all keep saying Lebron dominated. He dominated games, yes. Not an era. If that were the case, Dirk, Iggy, Duncan wouldn't have rings. Rose and Steph wouldn't have MVPs. You can't dominate an era and only have three rings, two of which you needed to join another team to get.
Now, since dudes need to know my schedule, I'm off to the gym and to do some other stuff, be back in like 3 hours.
Now, since dudes need to know my schedule, I'm off to the gym and to do some other stuff, be back in like 3 hours.
No.
I don't go in Kobe and Jordan threads making 30 posts talking bout LeBron. Meanwhile you, SHE IS WHAT SHE IS, tallblackbay, HEAD_CLINIC, Whore Sinister, etc live in these LeBron threads caping for MJ and Kobe and quantifying Bron. Add in D-Town who's another Jordan groupie that pulls against Bron EVERY Finals and never is bothered by Jordan dickriding for some reason
and these threads it's always the same story. All yall need to quit acting like hoes.
I told you this was gonna happen and Bron coming back to win against a team like Golden State wasn't gonna change the narrative. LeBron could win 2 more rings in a similar fashion and these people will still say Bird, Kobe, and Jordan are way better than him because it's based on perception not facts.
I bag on Jordan ALOT and yet still have him in my top 5 and as the best at his position. These dudes don't consider Bron the best at his position and don't have him top 5. Who's really the maniacal hater?
Dude is a Kobe stan. He was pulling for Golden State last Finals reveling when the Cavs were down. Soon as they come back he claims (like HEAD_CLINIC) he was pulling for the Cavs. He can't admit when he's wrong and is making an utter fool of himself in this thread. Another NY reject.
Offensive + defensive productivity formulas take era into consideration.
Defensively, it's not even close and that's what separate Lebron from Bird.
Bird never made first defensive team. Go look up how many times Lebron has made first defensive team. It's not close. It's no knock on Bird. Lebron is just that good.
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Took you that long to answer? So you don't go in LeBron threads and bring up Kobe and Jordan out the blue, without anyone one else mentioning it?No.
I don't go in Kobe and Jordan threads making 30 posts talking bout LeBron. Meanwhile you, SHE IS WHAT SHE IS, tallblackbay, HEAD_CLINIC, Whore Sinister, etc live in these LeBron threads caping for MJ and Kobe and quantifying Bron. Add in D-Town who's another Jordan groupie that pulls against Bron EVERY Finals and never is bothered by Jordan dickriding for some reason
So is Jordan better than LeBron?
Proof I was pulling for them? Check the poll loser, I never changed my vote. Again, show me those posts. Now you want to surface again cause you got dudes to help you. Where them posts? And explain how Duncan is All Time but not great. You said it, so explain. Time for anther Houdini act huh.
Lebron is obviously a better defender than Bird.
I'm taking Bird over Lebron if I'm able to pick a team. The killer instinct, the rebounding and passing ability, and his extremely high skill level makes me forgive the defensive gap. At the end of the day, the object of the game is to put the ball in the basket, and Bird is just better at doing that shit. The man even averaged a double-double for the career. Lebron has never averaged a double-double for a season.
I've seen Lebron exposed offensively too many times, and while there have been questions about Lebron's heart, Bird arguably had as much heart as anyone that has ever played the game.
...and there is no way Bird, and two other All-Stars lose to Dirk and Tyson Chandler.
I'm taking Bird over Lebron if I'm able to pick a team. The killer instinct, the rebounding and passing ability, and his extremely high skill level makes me forgive the defensive gap. At the end of the day, the object of the game is to put the ball in the basket, and Bird is just better at doing that shit. The man even averaged a double-double for the career. Lebron has never averaged a double-double for a season.
I've seen Lebron exposed offensively too many times, and while there have been questions about Lebron's heart, Bird arguably had as much heart as anyone that has ever played the game.
...and there is no way Bird, and two other All-Stars lose to Dirk and Tyson Chandler.
Lebron James: 27.2 points per game on 49.8% shooting
Larry Bird: 24.3 points per game on 49.6% shooting
