bird has a better record against mike, is Bird better?
they couldnt have been that bad if they got all the way to the finals.
Where Does Lebron Rank All-Time For You As Of Today?
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they couldnt have been that bad if they got all the way to the finals.
Barkley is one man. The consensus of players around the league is lebron is top 5. I think you have some feelings toward Lebron you haven't resolved.
Bird played Jordan before he had a squad, Kobe had championship squads and was still getting housed by LeBron... So, nope, not a good example...
huh? i was just giving examples on other great players that didnt win fmvp, but played better than the person that did win, throughout the playoffs.
no feelings at all. i dont even know the man. i respect his game. but i am entitled to my opinion. Consensus of players? Did you take this poll? can i see the results?
lebron had championship squads as well. Dont act like he was playing with a bunch of scrubs. but since when has that been the criteria for ranking players?
There are many great players who played Robing in the NBA, just that Jordan and LeBron are one of the few who has never in their career.. Every championship they won they were the best player on the court by far...
Another thing Bird did not beat Jordan in every major statistic known to man kind, nor did he have more MVP's or finals MVP's... At best you can argue that when they played Bird played on better teams, so it would stand to reason that the better team would win...
Nobody in their right mind would say that LeBron played on better teams than Kobe, hopefully you wont go down that road either...
You are being disingenuous. Give me a list of players that say Lebron is not an all-time great. It's not even close.
Nah, you either don't understand basketball at all if you are arguing against people that actually played and are skilled, or you have some pent up emotions about him. If it's the former, you shouldn't have an opinion on something you have no idea about.
Of course he is, LeBron could win 5 championships and 4 more MVP's and clowns like him would knock him out of the top ten due to him missing a few free throws..
of course he is an all-time great. when did i say he wasnt? i dont understand basketball because i dont have lebron in my top 5?
no i wouldn't, that would be quite an accomplishment.
Lets look at that Miami squad, how many playoffs games did they win after LeBron left, and this is after getting all those good ass players to replace him, now how many playoff games did the Cavs win after he left, and this is after they got Irving and Thompson when he left....
they played one on one? when?
The only great players LeBron ever lpayed with was Wade, and he was past his prime, and Irving who led the Cavs to the lottery first pick every year with out LeBron...
Love and Bosh are great roll players but no where the talent that Kobe has played with over the years...
Love and Bosh are great roll players but no where the talent that Kobe has played with over the years...
what good ass players? Deng? he wasnt even the best player on the bulls
Don't play dumb, every time Kobe played LeBron it was a marque match up that always was the regular season game of the year...
Jordan and LeBron never allowed their comp to get the best of them....
aside from shaq, what player that kobe played with, was better than wade? hell bosh and gasol were pretty equal.
Whiteside, Dang, they got that Dargon White Boy form the Suns and Granger....
what? never allowed? dude, who were the fmvp during lebrons last two recent finals losses? his counterpart. now, whats more important, owning someone during the regular season or during the finals?
whiteside just became good. dargon didnt do shit. granger was just coming off an injury, come on man. you really said Granger?
Kobe played with Bynum when he was good, played with Odem when he was a allstar, played with Fisher when he was good, played with Horry, played with Payton, Malone, played with Ariza when he was in his prime, played with Metta World when he was a All Star and even Matt Barnes..
But the same Heat team that went to the finals with LeBron couldn't do shit with out him, and vitually the same CAvs team that was in the lottery four years in a row, wind up going to the finals...
You don't see a pattern?
and while those players were on the lakers, who was better than wade? matt barnes................
oh man you reaching.
yeah, lebron is a great player. never said he wasn't. just not in my top 10.
No it was Wade who played the role of Kobe, Shaq won with Wade but lost with Kobe....and while those players were on the lakers, who was better than wade? matt barnes................
But he destroys some of the players who are on your top ten...
they didnt do shit? they won 2 rings and went to the finals 3 times, while beating teams that lebron lost too.
but thats not what top ten lists are based on. who has ever based a list on head to head match ups? that makes no sense.
Put bird's skills in lbj body then what?
in your top 10, yes
and what happened the year after the heat won with shaq and wade?
