aspartame used to do that to me.
stopped messing with it as a result
gotta do research before consuming anything these days
can't trust these companies for shit.
Zero calorie sweetener linked to heart attack and stroke
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stopped messing with it as a result
gotta do research before consuming anything these days
can't trust these companies for shit.
I remember going on a strict diet for 2 months. I lost 30lbs. I was drinking diet coke every day. One thing I notice is that I had a problem talking. It was like I'm talking good but mid sentence I stumbled. I also felt my liver readjust, but that what it do when you change your diet.
erythritol which is the sweetener in question is usually added to monk fruit so read your labels
Stevia is a natural sweetener. Erythritol and stevia aren’t the same. So now stevia is bad for you?
just the Erythritol
Stick to honey
Cause that’s what they do.. after they test run diff ingredients on the Guinea pigs uhh I mean the public after a decade or 2 they than admit they fucked up after a shitload of casualties.. only a select few hear the info than they bury the story , choose whether or not they gonna keep the ingredient on the market and rinse repeat.. every yr or a few some ingredient is exposed as toxic most of the time the info goes under the radar.. when people want to know why nigs die so early, why it’s mad cancer/diabetes/ etc, why the youth got so many mental and physical problems, why mental illness is up, why humans are fatter, it goes back to all the poison that’s in the food.. but people won’t blame the poison they will blame it on the individual.. feed an animal diff poison everyday let’s see if that animal life expectancy shortens, they don’t grow to their full potential, they won’t lose certain capabilities, they won’t be more sickly.. now take the animal out and do that with humans well that’s what big bizz is doing to mankind
Stevia on its own is fine. It's only bad when it's paired with a bulking agent like erythritol that it becomes toxic. Go with the organic stevia extract (CHECK THE INGREDIENT LIST!) and you'll be good. This other shit though...
Yeah I only fuck with organic stevia myself...
Another good sweetner no one talkes about is Organic, Grade A maple syrup.....
now this is funny....it's some more shit that they need to add to this list...that no one believes yet...lmao..
You think artificial sweeteners being setup as a fallguy? While the real keiser soze
Making the getaway?
You think artificial sweeteners being setup as a fallguy? While the real keiser soze
Making the getaway?
They tryna get niggaz back on that sugar.
More diabetes.
Don't fuck wit none of that shit & stay away from excess sugar
More diabetes.
Don't fuck wit none of that shit & stay away from excess sugar
I use organic stevia all the time for my tea. Pure undiluted Stevia is an extract from a plant where erythritol is artificially man made. Stevia comes from the earth specifically a plant where erythritol is a synthetic substance produced in a factory.
You can't compare the two in that context cause all sweetners are synthetic so yes it is no surprise that there might be complications in long term use. Stevia is the only exception cause it's an extract from a plant. Anything from the earth will always be more healthy for your body than anything that is man made. So I always take my chances with food sources that are derived or come from the earth.
I don’t think any of the major players use this sweetener in there diet and zero drinks across the board. I think the only one that really use it is Zevia.
Most other diet and zero drinks opt for Aspartame.
I know the sugar free ice creams lean on it heavy tho.
Minor blow to the Keto/Low carb community.
Most other diet and zero drinks opt for Aspartame.
I know the sugar free ice creams lean on it heavy tho.
Minor blow to the Keto/Low carb community.
Addictive actually.
Granulated sugar in the store is processed as fuck. Mufuckas been cookin up & refining sugar and salt like cheap coke & crack.
Excess sugar and salt is the #1 killer of black people.
Stick wit honey & pure maple syrup.
Even those,not in excess though.
Granulated sugar in the store is processed as fuck. Mufuckas been cookin up & refining sugar and salt like cheap coke & crack.
Excess sugar and salt is the #1 killer of black people.
Stick wit honey & pure maple syrup.
Even those,not in excess though.
The one that I know people use has the Erythritol in it.. I literally contacted my brother and right on the label in semi big letters Erythritol was a main ingredient..like I said I know what I’m talking about when I say I know individuals who use the stevia with that ingredient in it
Everything and their mama is being blamed for heart attacks and strokes, especially in young people, when no one is addressing the real elephant in the room.
They now blame, spicy foods, climate change, masks, running, deep breathing and the list goes on and on, for causes of heart attacks and strokes.
They now blame, spicy foods, climate change, masks, running, deep breathing and the list goes on and on, for causes of heart attacks and strokes.
Also about Stevia, news flash, when it was first discovered, it was touted as a way to control the population because it causes male and female infertility. It can stop women from becoming fertile by 50-80%.
This was first discovered back in the 1970's and published
www.jstor.org
This was first discovered back in the 1970's and published
Plants Used as Means of Abortion, Contraception, Sterilization and Fecundation by Paraguayan Indigenous People on JSTOR
P. Arenas, R. Moreno Azorero, Plants Used as Means of Abortion, Contraception, Sterilization and Fecundation by Paraguayan Indigenous People, Economic Botany, Vol. 31, No. 3 (Jul. - Sep., 1977), pp. 302-306
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What's the elephant in the room?Also about Stevia, news flash, when it was first discovered, it was touted as a way to control the population because it causes male and female infertility. It can stop women from becoming fertile by 50-80%.
This was first discovered back in the 1970's and published
Plants Used as Means of Abortion, Contraception, Sterilization and Fecundation by Paraguayan Indigenous People on JSTOR
P. Arenas, R. Moreno Azorero, Plants Used as Means of Abortion, Contraception, Sterilization and Fecundation by Paraguayan Indigenous People, Economic Botany, Vol. 31, No. 3 (Jul. - Sep., 1977), pp. 302-306
Zero calorie sweetener linked to heart attack and stroke, study finds
BY SANDEE LAMOTTE
FEBRUARY 27, 2023 / 10:16 AM / CNN
A sugar replacement called erythritol — used to add bulk or sweeten stevia, monk-fruit, and keto reduced-sugar products — has been linked to blood clotting, stroke, heart attack and death, according to a new study.
"The degree of risk was not modest," said lead author Dr. Stanley Hazen, director of the center for cardiovascular diagnostics and prevention at the Cleveland Clinic Lerner Research Institute.
People with existing risk factors for heart disease, such as diabetes, were twice as likely to experience a heart attack or stroke if they had the highest levels of erythritol in their blood, according to the study published Monday in the journal Nature Medicine.
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"If your blood level of erythritol was in the top 25% compared to the bottom 25%, there was about a two-fold higher risk for heart attack and stroke. It's on par with the strongest of cardiac risk factors, like diabetes," Hazen said.
Additional lab and animal research presented in the paper revealed erythritol appeared to be causing blood platelets to clot more readily. Clots can break off and travel to the heart, triggering a heart attack, or to the brain, triggering a stroke.
"This certainly sounds an alarm," said Dr. Andrew Freeman, director of cardiovascular prevention and wellness at National Jewish Health, a hospital in Denver, Colorado, who was not involved in the research.
"There appears to be a clotting risk from using erythritol," Freeman said. "Obviously, more research is needed, but in an abundance of caution, it might make sense to limit erythritol in your diet for now."
In response to the study, the Calorie Control Council, an industry association, told CNN that "the results of this study are contrary to decades of scientific research showing reduced-calorie sweeteners like erythritol are safe, as evidenced by global regulatory permissions for their use in foods and beverages," said Robert Rankin, the council's executive director, in an email.
The results "should not be extrapolated to the general population, as the participants in the intervention were already at increased risk for cardiovascular events," Rankin said.
The European Association of Polyol Producers declined to comment, saying it had not yet reviewed the study.
What is erythritol?
Like sorbitol and xylitol, erythritol is a sugar alcohol — a carb found naturally in many fruits and vegetables. It has about 70% of the sweetness of sugar and is considered zero calorie, according to experts.
Artificially manufactured in massive quantities, erythritol has no lingering aftertaste, doesn't spike blood sugar and has less of a laxative effect than some other sugar alcohols.
"Erythritol looks like sugar, it tastes like sugar and you can bake with it," said Hazen, who also directs the Cleveland Clinic's Center for Microbiome and Human Health.
"It's become the sweetheart of the food industry, an extremely popular additive to keto and other low-carb products and foods marketed to people with diabetes," he added. "Some of the diabetes-labeled foods we looked at had more erythritol than any other item by weight."
Erythritol is also the largest ingredient by weight in many "natural" stevia and monk-fruit products, Hazen said. Because stevia and monkfruit are about 200 to 400 times sweeter than sugar, just a small amount is needed in any product. The bulk of the product is erythritol, which adds the sugar-like crystalline appearance and texture consumers expect.
An unexpected discovery
The discovery of the connection between erythritol and cardiovascular issues was purely accidental, Hazen said: "We never expected this. We weren't even looking for it."
Hazen's research had a simple goal — find unknown chemicals or compounds in a person's blood that might predict their risk for a heart attack, stroke or death in the next three years. To do so, the team began analyzing 1,157 blood samples in people at risk for heart disease collected between 2004 and 2011.
"We found this substance that seemed to play a big role, but we didn't know what it was," Hazen said. "Then we discovered it was erythritol, a sweetener."
The human body naturally creates erythritol, but in very low amounts that would not account for the levels they measured, Hazen said.
To confirm the findings, Hazen's team tested another batch of blood samples from over 2,100 patients in the United States and an additional 833 samples gathered by colleagues in Europe through 2018. About three quarters of the participants in all three populations had coronary disease or high blood pressure and about a fifth had diabetes, Hazen said. Over half were male and in their 60s and 70s.
In all three populations researchers found higher levels of erythritol were connected to a greater risk of heart attack, stroke or death within three years.
But why? To find out, researchers did further animal and lab tests and discovered erythritol was "provoking enhanced thrombosis," or clotting in the blood, Hazen said.
Clotting is necessary in the human body or we would bleed to death from cuts and injuries. The same process is constantly happening internally, as well.
"Our blood vessels are always under pressure and we spring leaks, and blood platelets are constantly plugging these holes all the time," Hazen said.
However, the size of the clot made by platelets depends on the size of the trigger that stimulates the cells, he explained. For example, if the trigger is only 10%, then you only get 10% of a clot.
"But what we're seeing with erythritol is the platelets become super responsive — a mere 10% stimulant produces 90 to 100% of a clot formation," Hazen said.
"For people who are at risk for clotting, heart attack and stroke — like people with existing cardiac disease or people with diabetes — I think that there's sufficient data here to say stay away from erythritol until more studies are done," Hazen said.
Oliver Jones, a professor of chemistry at RMIT University in Victoria, Australia, who was not involved in the research, noted that the study had only revealed a correlation, not causation.
"As the authors themselves note, they found an association between erythritol and clotting risk, not definitive proof such a link exists," said Jones in a statement.
"Any possible (and, as yet unproven) risks of excess erythritol would also need to be balanced against the very real health risks of excess glucose consumption," Jones said.
Healthy volunteers
In a final part of the study, eight healthy volunteers drank a beverage that contained 30 grams of erythritol, the amount many people in the US consume, Hazen said, according to the National Health and Nutrition Examination Survey, which examines American nutrition each year.
Blood tests over the next three days tracked erythritol levels and clotting risk.
"Thirty grams was enough to make blood levels of erythritol go up a thousandfold," Hazen said. "It remained elevated above the threshold necessary to trigger and heighten clotting risk for the following two to three days."
Just how much is 30 grams of erythritol? The equivalent of eating a pint of keto ice cream, Hazen said.
"If you look at nutrition labels on many keto ice creams, you'll see 'reducing sugar,' or 'sugar alcohol,' which are terms for erythritol. You'll find a typical pint has somewhere between 26 and 45 grams in it," he said.
"My co-author and I have been going to grocery stores and looking at labels," Hazen said. "He found a 'confectionery' marketed to people with diabetes that had about 75 grams of erythritol."
There is no firm "accepted daily intake," or ADI, set by the European Food Safety Authority or the US Food and Drug Administration, which considers erythritol generally recognized as safe (GRAS).
"Science needs to take a deeper dive into erythritol and in a hurry, because this substance is widely available right now. If it's harmful, we should know about it," said National Jewish Health's Freeman.
Hazen agreed: "I normally don't get up on a pedestal and sound the alarm," he said. "But this is something that I think we need to be looking at carefully."
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Zero calorie sweetener linked to heart attack and stroke, study finds
A sugar replacement called erythritol — used to add bulk or sweeten stevia, monk-fruit, and keto reduced-sugar products — has been linked to blood clotting, stroke, heart attack and death, according to a new study.www.cbsnews.com
This doesn't appear to be an ingredient in Splenda.
Check what I posted or look up how stevia was discovered back in the 70's. I first learned about this about a year ago. I took stevia for years in my coffee and wife used it for smoothies. We both not having anymore kids but shocking to find out it was first used for decades in South America as a contraceptive.
All of a sudden years later, globally becomes the great sugar alternative. Of course, put it in everything.
equal is way worse than stevia
agave syrup , honey , maple syrup , even molasses at times(iron rich)
Zero calorie sweetener linked to heart attack and stroke, study finds
BY SANDEE LAMOTTE
FEBRUARY 27, 2023 / 10:16 AM / CNN
A sugar replacement called erythritol — used to add bulk or sweeten stevia, monk-fruit, and keto reduced-sugar products — has been linked to blood clotting, stroke, heart attack and death, according to a new study.
"The degree of risk was not modest," said lead author Dr. Stanley Hazen, director of the center for cardiovascular diagnostics and prevention at the Cleveland Clinic Lerner Research Institute.
People with existing risk factors for heart disease, such as diabetes, were twice as likely to experience a heart attack or stroke if they had the highest levels of erythritol in their blood, according to the study published Monday in the journal Nature Medicine.
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"If your blood level of erythritol was in the top 25% compared to the bottom 25%, there was about a two-fold higher risk for heart attack and stroke. It's on par with the strongest of cardiac risk factors, like diabetes," Hazen said.
Additional lab and animal research presented in the paper revealed erythritol appeared to be causing blood platelets to clot more readily. Clots can break off and travel to the heart, triggering a heart attack, or to the brain, triggering a stroke.
"This certainly sounds an alarm," said Dr. Andrew Freeman, director of cardiovascular prevention and wellness at National Jewish Health, a hospital in Denver, Colorado, who was not involved in the research.
"There appears to be a clotting risk from using erythritol," Freeman said. "Obviously, more research is needed, but in an abundance of caution, it might make sense to limit erythritol in your diet for now."
In response to the study, the Calorie Control Council, an industry association, told CNN that "the results of this study are contrary to decades of scientific research showing reduced-calorie sweeteners like erythritol are safe, as evidenced by global regulatory permissions for their use in foods and beverages," said Robert Rankin, the council's executive director, in an email.
The results "should not be extrapolated to the general population, as the participants in the intervention were already at increased risk for cardiovascular events," Rankin said.
The European Association of Polyol Producers declined to comment, saying it had not yet reviewed the study.
What is erythritol?
Like sorbitol and xylitol, erythritol is a sugar alcohol — a carb found naturally in many fruits and vegetables. It has about 70% of the sweetness of sugar and is considered zero calorie, according to experts.
Artificially manufactured in massive quantities, erythritol has no lingering aftertaste, doesn't spike blood sugar and has less of a laxative effect than some other sugar alcohols.
"Erythritol looks like sugar, it tastes like sugar and you can bake with it," said Hazen, who also directs the Cleveland Clinic's Center for Microbiome and Human Health.
"It's become the sweetheart of the food industry, an extremely popular additive to keto and other low-carb products and foods marketed to people with diabetes," he added. "Some of the diabetes-labeled foods we looked at had more erythritol than any other item by weight."
Erythritol is also the largest ingredient by weight in many "natural" stevia and monk-fruit products, Hazen said. Because stevia and monkfruit are about 200 to 400 times sweeter than sugar, just a small amount is needed in any product. The bulk of the product is erythritol, which adds the sugar-like crystalline appearance and texture consumers expect.
An unexpected discovery
The discovery of the connection between erythritol and cardiovascular issues was purely accidental, Hazen said: "We never expected this. We weren't even looking for it."
Hazen's research had a simple goal — find unknown chemicals or compounds in a person's blood that might predict their risk for a heart attack, stroke or death in the next three years. To do so, the team began analyzing 1,157 blood samples in people at risk for heart disease collected between 2004 and 2011.
"We found this substance that seemed to play a big role, but we didn't know what it was," Hazen said. "Then we discovered it was erythritol, a sweetener."
The human body naturally creates erythritol, but in very low amounts that would not account for the levels they measured, Hazen said.
To confirm the findings, Hazen's team tested another batch of blood samples from over 2,100 patients in the United States and an additional 833 samples gathered by colleagues in Europe through 2018. About three quarters of the participants in all three populations had coronary disease or high blood pressure and about a fifth had diabetes, Hazen said. Over half were male and in their 60s and 70s.
In all three populations researchers found higher levels of erythritol were connected to a greater risk of heart attack, stroke or death within three years.
But why? To find out, researchers did further animal and lab tests and discovered erythritol was "provoking enhanced thrombosis," or clotting in the blood, Hazen said.
Clotting is necessary in the human body or we would bleed to death from cuts and injuries. The same process is constantly happening internally, as well.
"Our blood vessels are always under pressure and we spring leaks, and blood platelets are constantly plugging these holes all the time," Hazen said.
However, the size of the clot made by platelets depends on the size of the trigger that stimulates the cells, he explained. For example, if the trigger is only 10%, then you only get 10% of a clot.
"But what we're seeing with erythritol is the platelets become super responsive — a mere 10% stimulant produces 90 to 100% of a clot formation," Hazen said.
"For people who are at risk for clotting, heart attack and stroke — like people with existing cardiac disease or people with diabetes — I think that there's sufficient data here to say stay away from erythritol until more studies are done," Hazen said.
Oliver Jones, a professor of chemistry at RMIT University in Victoria, Australia, who was not involved in the research, noted that the study had only revealed a correlation, not causation.
"As the authors themselves note, they found an association between erythritol and clotting risk, not definitive proof such a link exists," said Jones in a statement.
"Any possible (and, as yet unproven) risks of excess erythritol would also need to be balanced against the very real health risks of excess glucose consumption," Jones said.
Healthy volunteers
In a final part of the study, eight healthy volunteers drank a beverage that contained 30 grams of erythritol, the amount many people in the US consume, Hazen said, according to the National Health and Nutrition Examination Survey, which examines American nutrition each year.
Blood tests over the next three days tracked erythritol levels and clotting risk.
"Thirty grams was enough to make blood levels of erythritol go up a thousandfold," Hazen said. "It remained elevated above the threshold necessary to trigger and heighten clotting risk for the following two to three days."
Just how much is 30 grams of erythritol? The equivalent of eating a pint of keto ice cream, Hazen said.
"If you look at nutrition labels on many keto ice creams, you'll see 'reducing sugar,' or 'sugar alcohol,' which are terms for erythritol. You'll find a typical pint has somewhere between 26 and 45 grams in it," he said.
"My co-author and I have been going to grocery stores and looking at labels," Hazen said. "He found a 'confectionery' marketed to people with diabetes that had about 75 grams of erythritol."
There is no firm "accepted daily intake," or ADI, set by the European Food Safety Authority or the US Food and Drug Administration, which considers erythritol generally recognized as safe (GRAS).
"Science needs to take a deeper dive into erythritol and in a hurry, because this substance is widely available right now. If it's harmful, we should know about it," said National Jewish Health's Freeman.
Hazen agreed: "I normally don't get up on a pedestal and sound the alarm," he said. "But this is something that I think we need to be looking at carefully."
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Zero calorie sweetener linked to heart attack and stroke, study finds
A sugar replacement called erythritol — used to add bulk or sweeten stevia, monk-fruit, and keto reduced-sugar products — has been linked to blood clotting, stroke, heart attack and death, according to a new study.
At one point I was eating two pounds a month of this poison.
I would put that shit on everything including my fruit like watermelon. Another reason why I eat the way I do because I feel blessed to still be alive. I don't know how I'm still alive. At one point they thought I had bone cancer. Amazing what a health scare did for me.
Real talk
One of the best things I found for that sugar craving and gut health.
One of the best things I found for that sugar craving and gut health.
Maaaan, I love HALO and I didn't feel guilty about eating a whole carton because it was "Good" for you
Maaaan, I love HALO and I didn't feel guilty about eating a whole carton because it was "Good" for you
I bought breyers no sugar a couple times and liked it..oh well.i think it's better to just enjoy the regular stuff but not excessively.
Like I said Bob, more than two decades..... no problems.... since 1998 to be more accurate
Yes sir! Remember they never promoted how bad diet pop ingredients was but most people already knew the ingredients was worst than the regular stuff in pop... bad enough the things in some of our regular foods are not that good now but then you add a vegan hot dog...yeah buddy your bound 5o have some bad times ahead of you...unfortunately
I stopped fucking with pure Erythritol years ago.
When I went Keto, I was using it to make sweet tea and fruit smoothies so I was drinking a lot of it because it was zero calories and zero additional sugar.
I had to stop tho because that shit was fucking me up. It would produce hella liquid in my organs. I would walk around literally feeling like a half-filled jug of water, like I could feel liquid inside my body in places where it ain't supposed to be. I would piss a lot and I would shit straight liquid like a colon cleanse.
I got off that shit and started fucking with the Monkfruit, which they still cut with Erythritol, but it's not enough Erythritol to fuck me up, so it was cool. But now I barely even use that. Just a little bit for my protein shakes.
When I went Keto, I was using it to make sweet tea and fruit smoothies so I was drinking a lot of it because it was zero calories and zero additional sugar.
I had to stop tho because that shit was fucking me up. It would produce hella liquid in my organs. I would walk around literally feeling like a half-filled jug of water, like I could feel liquid inside my body in places where it ain't supposed to be. I would piss a lot and I would shit straight liquid like a colon cleanse.
I got off that shit and started fucking with the Monkfruit, which they still cut with Erythritol, but it's not enough Erythritol to fuck me up, so it was cool. But now I barely even use that. Just a little bit for my protein shakes.
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