Transgenders in society: What’s your take?

Do you know the percentage who detransition or regret transitioning?

Nope. Nor do I care. But there is a growing number of video confessionals online of people coming out regretting their decision. I won't post any (cause I don't want to get banned) but if you go on youtube there are literally hundreds including documentaries about people who have.

The point is, not how many, the point is its happening more and more
 
It’s the era of inclusion which has been blown wide open. All these kids are growing up with pronouns and it’s dinosaurs like myself that’s struggling to adapt to the change.

My question is where does this end? What are the defining markers if we no longer have them? Men can be women and women can be men. Is race next? Can white people now be black? It all feels problematic but it’s no longer my world to inherit so maybe it doesn’t matter for us old timers.

Yeah, the flood gates are wide open. I don’t think it’s going to change anytime soon. It will evolve, but it’s going to be so wild that some shit will not be accepted.
 
so a young lady I was speaking with thought little of this. These young’s fight so hard for change that they complete disregarded how other folk that struggles with understanding. I broke it down to the young lady like this because this is a first hand experience that I have witnessed.

A mother raises a daughter for over 18 years thinking that this daughter will have give her grandchildren and they’ll have baby showers and shit. However, the daughter no longer feels like a girl and goes through a transition. The daughter, now a trans man, is living her life and gets married to a woman. Now, they have a baby together, and the mother who now has a trans man for a daughter has to watch “him” at a baby shower with “his” wife who happens to be a very traditional woman that is gay.

Exactly how is the mother suppose to take all that in? They think folk is just suppose to accept it and move on. That’s a lot.
It’s a massive shock to the system for sure but these kids also don’t know, or care much about sacrifice and family. Much of what they’re taught is entitlement and self absorption via social media. To go outta their way and put someone else in front of them isn’t on their radar cause it seems counterproductive to the image of being seen on social media.
 
Nope. Nor do I care. But there is a growing number of video confessionals online of people coming out regretting their decision. I won't post any (cause I don't want to get banned) but if you go on youtube there are literally hundreds including documentaries about people who have.

The point is, not how many, the point is its happening more and more

I think many made these decisions to fit in some where, and now that desire to fit in is no longer there.
 
It’s a massive shock to the system for sure but these kids also don’t know, or care much about sacrifice and family. Much of what they’re taught is entitlement and self absorption via social media. To go outta their way and put someone else in front of them isn’t on their radar cause it seems counterproductive to the image of being seen on social media.

That’s EXACTLY what I told my wife this morning. That simply do not care how their decisions affects others. I appreciate their ability to force change, but they lack perspective of other older than them and they don’t give a shit.
 
so a young lady I was speaking with thought little of this. These young’s fight so hard for change that they complete disregarded how other folk that struggles with understanding. I broke it down to the young lady like this because this is a first hand experience that I have witnessed.

A mother raises a daughter for over 18 years thinking that this daughter will have give her grandchildren and they’ll have baby showers and shit. However, the daughter no longer feels like a girl and goes through a transition. The daughter, now a trans man, is living her life and gets married to a woman. Now, they have a baby together, and the mother who now has a trans man for a daughter has to watch “him” at a baby shower with “his” wife who happens to be a very traditional woman that is gay.

Exactly how is the mother suppose to take all that in? They think folk is just suppose to accept it and move on. That’s a lot.
You accept and love your kid for whoever they are.

I mean...Im in my early 30's and that seems easy to me? Your kids arent your toys or pets to follow the exact path you want of them. They are their own people who will grow and do things you like and dislike. its what makes them human. Your job is to raise them to the best of your abilities and to love them.
 
That's the thing. This is manufactured outrage. Since when does less then 1% of anything get the most attention. Clorox doesn't kill 100% of bacteria, but no one is running around yelling about the 1% of things it can't eliminate. A 1% owner in a company doesn't really have a say in the boardroom. The people pushing all they anti-trans shit knows the grifting boogeyman game is profitable because Americans are dumb as fuck. Most of the hate for trans people, comes from people that have never met a trans person. Vermont is 90% white. If a Vermont person is saying they hate black people, they're basing their opinion solely off of what they've heard. It could be true, it could be a lie, but they're believing someone telling them something that most likely has an agenda.
My feel exactly. Most people "outraged" about the trannies are either in the closet homos or people outraged about the "inclusion" part, not the trannies themselves.
 
You accept and love your kid for whoever they are.

I mean...Im in my early 30's and that seems easy to me? Your kids arent your toys or pets to follow the exact path you want of them. They are their own people who will grow and do things you like and dislike. its what makes them human. Your job is to raise them to the best of your abilities and to love them.

I agree, but see some parents have ideas and legacies from their children.

Some folks have a challenging time just letting that go. Doesn’t mean they don’t love their kids less. I just means whatever dream they thought they was going to get from their kids, isnt going to be true.
 
In the 90s some of you know I was a super homophobe. I wanted beat the gay out of some of these men you hear me that’s how bad it was. But as I got older, I learn to deal with people who are different sexual. Listen if these people are adults, they have a choice in their own lives now I do not want that shit directly in my face, but if they are across the street doing their thing and not in my face then more power to them.
 
Are only people in the majority “regular”? Are disabled people irregular? Are gay people or racial and religious minorities?

It seems disrespectful to start a conversation by declaring a community separate from “regular people.”
Biological and natural men and women, regardless of race, sexual preference or religious affiliation, are what most people around the world would consider regular.

That usually is the majority.


The term “regular people” implies there is a default human being — who just happens to look, think, and behave like Archie Bunker — and everyone else is a deviation from that (the “anti-woke” mob now use the phrase “real Americans,” which basically means the same thing).​
But how often have the rest of us pointed out someone in a crowd or onscreen, or told a story about an encounter, and identified that person by their skin color, disability, or some other immutable characteristic, rather than another visible marker, such as their clothing? When we draw attention to those things, are we not unthinkingly suggesting that they’re not “regular?”​
The “regular people” mentality, even when expressed benignly and thoughtlessly, indicates the degree to which white supremacy, in particular, has infected our culture. I pray we can eventually purge it from our minds and speech.​
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“Oh, don't pay
no attention to him.

He's one of them colored guys

who's always trying

to make fun of us
regular people.”
 
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The term “regular people” implies there is a default human being — who just happens to look, think, and behave like Archie Bunker — and everyone else is a deviation from that (the “anti-woke” mob now use the phrase “real Americans,” which basically means the same thing).​
But how often have the rest of us pointed out someone in a crowd or onscreen, or told a story about an encounter, and identified that person by their skin color, disability, or some other immutable characteristic, rather than another visible marker, such as their clothing? When we draw attention to those things, are we not unthinkingly suggesting that they’re not “regular?”​
The “regular people” mentality, even when expressed benignly and thoughtlessly, indicates the degree to which white supremacy, in particular, has infected our culture. I pray we can eventually purge it from our minds and speech.​
———————​
“Oh, don't pay
no attention to him.

He's one of them colored guys

who's always trying

to make fun of us
regular people.”
It’s one thing to use the term to separate oneself from a skin color, political or religious affiliation, or a cultural norm, but quite another to use the term separate from one’s true self. There are some things that are staples in this world, and are consistent such as air, the sun, water, food, etc and most will agree that those consistencies include what we have always considered natural born, biological men & women. These are regular things we use and know the world as & shouldn’t have to come under attack simply to include a small group of people into a space lead by insecure white men.

Fair that the writer is entitled to his perspective, as I’m entitled to mine.
 
I agree, but see some parents have ideas and legacies from their children.

Some folks have a challenging time just letting that go. Doesn’t mean they don’t love their kids less. I just means whatever dream they thought they was going to get from their kids, isnt going to be true.
Then your kid grows to resent you or you forced them into some career they aren't passionate about.
 
so a young lady I was speaking with thought little of this. These young’s fight so hard for change that they complete disregarded how other folk that struggles with understanding. I broke it down to the young lady like this because this is a first hand experience that I have witnessed.

A mother raises a daughter for over 18 years thinking that this daughter will have give her grandchildren and they’ll have baby showers and shit. However, the daughter no longer feels like a girl and goes through a transition. The daughter, now a trans man, is living her life and gets married to a woman. Now, they have a baby together, and the mother who now has a trans man for a daughter has to watch “him” at a baby shower with “his” wife who happens to be a very traditional woman that is gay.

Exactly how is the mother suppose to take all that in? They think folk is just suppose to accept it and move on. That’s a lot.
What are you arguing for? People should live their lives for the comfort of others? A parent's duty is to raise their kid to be a responsible adult, not to fulfill some bucket list of dreams and fantasies.
 
What are you arguing for? People should live their lives for the comfort of others? A parent's duty is to raise their kid to be a responsible adult, not to fulfill some bucket list of dreams and fantasies.

I’m not arguing for anything. People will live and do as they please regardless how it effect others around them. They don’t have to care. Whether it be transitioning genders or being a drug addict. Doesn’t matter. People will do as they please and they don’t have to think about how it effects other people.

But as an observer, I get to watch the suffering and the insanity of people’s decisions.
 
Nope. Nor do I care. But there is a growing number of video confessionals online of people coming out regretting their decision. I won't post any (cause I don't want to get banned) but if you go on youtube there are literally hundreds including documentaries about people who have.

The point is, not how many, the point is its happening more and more
You believe something purely by anecdotal evidence pushed by an algorithm. You don't know if it's happening more without data. There is a reason why Fox News viewers are less informed than someone that watches no news at all. They're being pushed propaganda. You're being pushed propaganda because none of the proof comes with data. Step back and ask yourself why they aren't presenting data, and who is funding those video segments. It surely won't be an advocacy group, but most likely some right wing think tank or PAC.
 
include what we have always considered natural born, biological men & women
They're still regular. They have the same organs, need water, have friends...yadda yadda. Now if we are saying they aren't normal because they made a different life decision, then no person is normal. A Sherpa lives a completely different lifestyle than most of the people on the planet. Are they normal?
 
They're still regular. They have the same organs, need water, have friends...yadda yadda. Now if we are saying they aren't normal because they made a different life decision, then no person is normal. A Sherpa lives a completely different lifestyle than most of the people on the planet. Are they normal?
I don’t think lifestyle means you’re not a man or a woman. You are.

But going to such length to chop off your penis to create a vagina? I’m sorry but that’s different to me.

To each their own.
 
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I’m not arguing for anything. People will live and do as they please regardless how it effect others around them. They don’t have to care. Whether it be transitioning genders or being a drug addict. Doesn’t matter. People will do as they please and they don’t have to think about how it effects other people.

But as an observer, I get to watch the suffering and the insanity of people’s decisions.
By argue, I meant what point were you trying to get across. That people don't consider others? Yes. That's true for texting and driving, because that literally puts others in danger. If my coworker Ed came to work in a dress, he's not harming anyone. If anyone's feelings are hurt because a family member or friend didn't abide by some standard...fuck em.
 
You believe something purely by anecdotal evidence pushed by an algorithm. You don't know if it's happening more without data. There is a reason why Fox News viewers are less informed than someone that watches no news at all. They're being pushed propaganda. You're being pushed propaganda because none of the proof comes with data. Step back and ask yourself why they aren't presenting data, and who is funding those video segments. It surely won't be an advocacy group, but most likely some right wing think tank or PAC.
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They aren't video segments. They are personal youtube videos by de-transitioners

These are their personal stories. You can go and type in 'detransition' on youtube yourself and see hundreds of their personal videos yourself. Go on with that "Fox news" bullshit.
 
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They aren't video segments. They are personal youtube videos by de-transitioners

These are their personal stories. You can go and type in 'detransition' on youtube yourself and see hundreds of their personal videos yourself. Go on with that "Fox news" bullshit.
There’s plenty of them like you said and as I stated throughout this thread, social media was/is at the forefront for many of them.

 
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They aren't video segments. They are personal youtube videos by de-transitioners

These are their personal stories. You can go and type in 'detransition' on youtube yourself and see hundreds of their personal videos yourself. Go on with that "Fox news" bullshit.
Brah, listen to me for a second. If you're searching for these things, it's going to seem like it is everywhere because the algorithm will keep feeding you things to soothe your bias. That's why I mentioned Fox News.
 
Brah, listen to me for a second. If you're searching for these things, it's going to seem like it is everywhere because the algorithm will keep feeding you things to soothe your bias. That's why I mentioned Fox News.
That's not the point. The point is that people are detransitioning and telling their stories. A lot of trans people were trying to have their videos and channels removed until Google started to allow their channels.

Your trying to explain to me how algorithms work - AGAIN... that's not THE POINT.
 
I do not care what you do with who you do it with inside your home as long as they are consenting to what you are doing with them or them to you
 
The 10s those guys were running where high 10s tho...look at the times of this race

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The SLOWEST male there is running 10.30...FloJo's record is 10.49...Elaine Thompson is 10.54....Sharcarri and Sherika can run 10.60s. If a trans sprinter can be on the field with them in the first place then its likely they can realistically break those times. I'll put it this way it wouldnt be shocking to see the first "woman" hit 10.50...just one tick below FloJo. And if that were to happen it would make every ones case for why trans women shouldn't be competing with biological females. Her record has stood for over 30 YEARS...and in all that time only one woman has come within the ballpark of touching it. And mind you over all that time there were women busted for PEDs and actively cheating and still couldnt do it.

You gonna tell me a trans woman doing it wouldnt raise eyebrows??
I see what you are saying, but them male times is the top of the top. That means a trans person with hormone therapy gonna eclipse that fine as woman's record. It is not going to happen. Again, if a trans person is doing times like that why would he change sex. He could be trans and still compete as a man. It's just my thoughts on it.
 
That's not the point. The point is that people are detransitioning and telling their stories. A lot of trans people were trying to have their videos and channels removed until Google started to allow their channels.

Your trying to explain to me how algorithms work - AGAIN... that's not THE POINT.
That's why we need the data. I'm sure some people regret it. It's not like buying a chinchilla coat. It'd be nice to have the data of how many people, out of X amount of trans people, regretted their transition. I'm not denying it happened or happens, but I we can't say it happens a lot, if we don't know the percentage of people facing regret.
 
Ok then. They're 0.2% of the

I see what you are saying, but them male times is the top of the top. That means a trans person with hormone therapy gonna eclipse that fine as woman's record. It is not going to happen. Again, if a trans person is doing times like that why would he change sex. He could be trans and still compete as a man. It's just my thoughts on it.
Youre assuming that the trans person is switching for competition reasons when the two things aren't necessarily connected.
 
so a young lady I was speaking with thought little of this. These young’s fight so hard for change that they complete disregarded how other folk that struggles with understanding. I broke it down to the young lady like this because this is a first hand experience that I have witnessed.

A mother raises a daughter for over 18 years thinking that this daughter will have give her grandchildren and they’ll have baby showers and shit. However, the daughter no longer feels like a girl and goes through a transition. The daughter, now a trans man, is living her life and gets married to a woman. Now, they have a baby together, and the mother who now has a trans man for a daughter has to watch “him” at a baby shower with “his” wife who happens to be a very traditional woman that is gay.

Exactly how is the mother suppose to take all that in? They think folk is just suppose to accept it and move on. That’s a lot.

That was simply brilliant

Post of the year nomination
 
It’s the era of inclusion which has been blown wide open. All these kids are growing up with pronouns and it’s dinosaurs like myself that’s struggling to adapt to the change.

My question is where does this end? What are the defining markers if we no longer have them? Men can be women and women can be men. Is race next? Can white people now be black? It all feels problematic but it’s no longer my world to inherit so maybe it doesn’t matter for us old timers.

^^^^^
 
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