T-Pain Exposed! Dude can't sing

[Andeyhollawho]

You just contradicted yourself. How can you not co-sign him as a vocalist but do co-sign him as a simger? That makes no sense.

They are one and the same, just different terminology. You like that he is one of the many people with no skill in the game? No wonder music is so fucked up. You like what he's doing for the game.

Music is not a hustle, well at least it wasn't. Now you got people who don't care for music or have a passion for it but they got FL Studio so now they are producers with no musical training. I hate those people.

I like talent and ability, period. I don't care where you come from if you have skills I will support you. As it should be. These artists don't have to prove themselves anymore because of idiot fans not demanding more from them.

How is that a contradiction?

Vocalists are professional singers with vocal training or unbelievable raw talent. Did you not read the post?

Singers are just what it sounds like...novice. Hell I "sing" in the shower. Don't mean I am the best at it. "Singers" can carry a tune.

You know the damn difference man!

Just like producer is to beatmaker. Like hip-hop artist is to rapper. B-boy/breaker is to novice dancer. DJ is to pause tape dude.

What I am saying is that sometimes a beatmaker can make a hot ass beat.

T-Pain is a novice singer who can write a hell of a hook and melody.

I appreciate what he is bringing to the game from the writing standpoint. He kind of underground and raw with his writing. I like that. Kind of why I like R. Kelly's writing. Just something fresh to bring to the game.

 

[DV8ed]

Cameo Live:
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[FLASH]http://www.youtube.com/v/u37vi8d2_BM[/FLASH]
[FLASH]http://www.youtube.com/v/X1HZzVnQHYw[/FLASH]

Roger Troutman & Zapp
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[FLASH]http://www.youtube.com/v/o_MtlFGpzgo[/FLASH]
[FLASH]http://www.youtube.com/v/ARVWndtOk00[/FLASH]

Check the 1:40 mark of this performance.
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Let's see T-Pain grab a guitar and start ripping.

Check starting @ 2:45
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[FLASH]http://www.youtube.com/v/M-Bcq658Ba4[/FLASH]

Now let's talk about "talent".

 

[BrownTurd]

DV8ED

You are comparing apples to oranges. T Pain and Zapp are in to different genres of music. T Pain is a hip hop/R&B singer. He is like Cee-Lo, Andre 3000 or Nate Dogg. They are not traditional R&B singers. Zapp is what you would call a traditional R&B singer.

 

[DV8ed]

DV8ED

You are comparing apples to oranges. T Pain and Zapp are in to different genres of music. T Pain is a hip hop/R&B singer. He is like Cee-Lo, Andre 3000 or Nate Dogg. They are not traditional R&B singers. Zapp is what you would call a traditional R&B singer.

No, I'm comparing shit to toothpaste. Roger was THE SHIT, but T-Pain is pure shit.

And Ceelo can sing, Nate Dogg CAN'T.

 

[freaky_1]

Brownturd has to be dlow. He is reaching his moronic level.

He's going on ignore.

I can't take his idiocy and lack of knowledge of music. Saying Prince had ghostwriters, is beyong ridiculous and saying Paul McCartney wrote most of MJ's music WTF is wrong with you?

My GOD!

You can't seriously say T-Pain is better than Cameo, Roger & Zapp, Prince and Michael Jackson.

I thought Lil Wayne fans were stupid. Damn.

 

[Andeyhollawho]

No, I'm comparing shit to toothpaste. Roger was THE SHIT, but T-Pain is pure shit.

And Ceelo can sing, Nate Dogg CAN'T.

Nate Dogg legendary at this point though. Not a better hook man ever from the west coast. Can't knock that.

T-Pain/Akon is the same for the new generation of the south. Just hook masters with a little more success on the album side.

It takes more talent than you think to write a catchy tune.

But I'll step the hell out of ya'll conversation...I can't be in here co-signing nobody who dissed Prince, MJ AND Stevie Wonder in the same post.

 

[Andeyhollawho]

DV8ED

You are comparing apples to oranges. T Pain and Zapp are in to different genres of music. T Pain is a hip hop/R&B singer. He is like Cee-Lo, Andre 3000 or Nate Dogg. They are not traditional R&B singers. Zapp is what you would call a traditional R&B singer.

I lied...co-sign.

Same thing I have been saying.

You have those who are legendary and then you have those who just go with the groove.

Old heads would call this hip-hop/r&b hybrid the equivalent of disco in the 80's.

Everybody hated that shit...but it moved in the clubs. If you were in the club you were moving to disco.

Shit was just fun music. Kids with synthesizers fucking up music. Sound familiar?

 

[Lady-Wiz]

wow

 

[FJP]

Damn never thought this thread would be this big. "Discovering" T-Pain cant sing without that effect is like finding out Christopher Reeve couldnt fly without the strings on the movie set. If anybody actually believed a persons voice could naturally sound like that, you need to be examined. I dont care WHO you are, your voice cant sound like that naturally.

At the same time thats not what people buy albums for. An album is a studio recording. The purpose of the studio is to enhance the overall recording as much as possible. Technology has advanced to the point where a cat with a writing talent and minimal vocal talent can make a successful track. To me its no different from a person with great vocal talent who cant write a song so they need writers. Unless you are completing the entire track like a Babyface or R.Kelly...then you need help anyway.

99 Percent of RnB is Studio enhanced in some way. And to be honest people dont buy RnB for what the artist can do live. People buy CD's for the studio sound. If they didnt they'd buy Unplugged CD's. Do people really care that Mary J Blige cant sing live for shit? No they dont care, cause she damn sure can kill a track in studio. Me personally from being around the music I respect the writers more anyway. Man its a million people I seen hold a nice note. Its the writers that are scarce. For all the mainstream RnB you see its about 10 Writers writing all the shit. Neyo,R.Kelly,Sean Garrett, Forgot dudes name that wrote for Dave Hollister...and a few others. If you dont write your shit you are nothing more than a Britney Spears musically. You may sound better but in the end you are just a mouthpiece for someone elses words

 

[freaky_1]

Damn never thought this thread would be this big. "Discovering" T-Pain cant sing without that effect is like finding out Christopher Reeve couldnt fly without the strings on the movie set. If anybody actually believed a persons voice could naturally sound like that, you need to be examined. I dont care WHO you are, your voice cant sound like that naturally.

At the same time thats not what people buy albums for. An album is a studio recording. The purpose of the studio is to enhance the overall recording as much as possible. Technology has advanced to the point where a cat with a writing talent and minimal vocal talent can make a successful track. To me its no different from a person with great vocal talent who cant write a song so they need writers. Unless you are completing the entire track like a Babyface or R.Kelly...then you need help anyway.

99 Percent of RnB is Studio enhanced in some way. And to be honest people dont buy RnB for what the artist can do live. People buy CD's for the studio sound. If they didnt they'd buy Unplugged CD's. Do people really care that Mary J Blige cant sing live for shit? No they dont care, cause she damn sure can kill a track in studio. Me personally from being around the music I respect the writers more anyway. Man its a million people I seen hold a nice note. Its the writers that are scarce. For all the mainstream RnB you see its about 10 Writers writing all the shit. Neyo,R.Kelly,Sean Garrett, Forgot dudes name that wrote for Dave Hollister...and a few others. If you dont write your shit you are nothing more than a Britney Spears musically. You may sound better but in the end you are just a mouthpiece for someone elses words

Good way to tout the company line and stick up for the corporate folks fucking up music. I buy music for their skill and ability. I guess you don't need that anymore.

It's so many people who have real talent but can't get in because of people lik you who just want to market bullshit artists. I know it's a business and being a person who is in the business I understand the need to have a marketable product. But where it ends with me is I market talent.

You guys just go with what's "hot", which is stupid.

For the record I never thought he could sing but damn hearing him Live is brutal and you got people dissing musical legends for this fraud and you're basically co-signing them? What little respect I had for you opinion is gone.

 

[dean25]

i love this board it funny to see people get so angry over petty topics.

 

[freaky_1]

i love this board it funny to see people get so angry over petty topics.

It was a joke. Really, then the T-Pain defense force came in and tried to ruin the humor. Like I said I don't listen to his music so I don't like or dislike him.

 

[shanebp1978]

Oh my. And I might have to see this ninja perform on Saturday!!!

 

[Andeyhollawho]

Good way to tout the company line and stick up for the corporate folks fucking up music. I buy music for their skill and ability. I guess you don't need that anymore.

It's so many people who have real talent but can't get in because of people lik you who just want to market bullshit artists. I know it's a business and being a person who is in the business I understand the need to have a marketable product. But where it ends with me is I market talent.

You guys just go with what's "hot", which is stupid.

For the record I never thought he could sing but damn hearing him Live is brutal and you got people dissing musical legends for this fraud and you're basically co-signing them? What little respect I had for you opinion is gone.

Let me get this straight...if you can't sing like Whitney or Mariah you shouldn't record a song?

Fuck Ne-yo, Babyface, Tank, Sean Garrett (he was in Playa), Robin Thicke, R. Kelly, Donell Jones, Missy, Case, Montell Jordan, Sleepy Brown and any other "songwriter" who has ever stepped they ass from behind the pen and came to the mic.

I'm sorry they are not classically trained. I'm sorry they don't have that wow factor with the vocals. Who the hell do you like?

Fuck 112, Carl Thomas, Mario Winans, Keith Sweat, New Edition (except Johnny Gill...he had a powerful enough voice I guess), Maxwell, Jodeci, Ginuwine.

I don't know about ya'll, but I enjoyed some songs by some of these people.

I mean is vocal talent everything? This shit is the cycle in music. You bank on the best of the best, but 90% of music is made up of people with average skill. Always has been.

The man write songs and decided to try and sing some of them. Sorry if you disapprove. Maybe the next songwriter with a so-so voice should check with you before they decide to pick up a mic.

 

[freaky_1]

Let me get this straight...if you can't sing like Whitney or Mariah you shouldn't record a song?

Fuck Ne-yo, Babyface, Tank, Sean Garrett (he was in Playa), Robin Thicke, R. Kelly, Donell Jones, Missy, Case, Montell Jordan, Sleepy Brown and any other "songwriter" who has ever stepped they ass from behind the pen and came to the mic.

I'm sorry they are not classically trained. I'm sorry they don't have that wow factor with the vocals. Who the hell do you like?

Fuck 112, Carl Thomas, Mario Winans, Keith Sweat, New Edition (except Johnny Gill...he had a powerful enough voice I guess), Maxwell, Jodeci, Ginuwine.

I don't know about ya'll, but I enjoyed some songs by some of these people.

I mean is vocal talent everything? This shit is the cycle in music. You bank on the best of the best, but 90% of music is made up of people with average skill. Always has been.

The man write songs and decided to try and sing some of them. Sorry if you disapprove. Maybe the next songwriter with a so-so voice should check with you before they decide to pick up a mic.

The question is. Why can't I express my opinion? If you like this no singing hack, fine. You can say so until your hearts content, but if I don't like it I have to be quiet?

Please. Music is meant to be criticized.

I didn't say that at all and don't put words in my mouth. The artists you named have way better than average singing voices. I like mostly all of those guys. This dude is nowhere near that level and HE CAN"T SING AT ALL!

So comparing him to people who can sing is dumb.

The man should stick to writing songs. I do the same thing as he does but I ouldn't dare get on the mic and sing. He needs to sit down. People like you co-signing him just says that you'll accept anything as long as you can do some stupid snap dance and look at some nasty bitches on the dance floor.

Am I supposed to like everything? No. Some things appeal to me and people who can't sing a lick like Cassie, Ashanti, and T-Pain, don't.

 

[Andeyhollawho]

The question is. Why can't I express my opinion? If you like this no singing hack, fine. You can say so until your hearts content, but if I don't like it I have to be quiet?

Please. Music is meant to be criticized.

The man should stick to writing songs. I do the same thing as he does but I ouldn't dare get on the mic and sing. He needs to sit down. People like you co-signing him just says that you'll accept anything as long as you can do some stupid snap dance and look at some nasty bitches on the dance floor.

Please feel free to express your opinion. All I'm saying is your opinion is not justified. You picked out a single incident where a so-so singer had a bad night. I'm sure if you listen to any of those singers up there you would catch them on nights where shit ain't clicking. He's a studio enhanced singer. Wow...never had them before in pop music.

You contradict the hell out yourself though...You say you write songs, but you not T-Pain. Is that the problem? You mad because he write "bullshit" while talented people like yourself and people you know can't get burn? Is that not the def of a hater?

I produce. I write. I know that the music I make is not viable to the south right now. So what? Don't mean I'm gonna stop. I'm not mad that a fucker with a Casio just made a number one hit. It's music damn it. Shit happens sometimes.

Saying that man should not sing is like saying DJ Shockley shouldn't play football. I mean he ain't Vick. He not even good enough to be secure in his spot on the team. But he love football. He contribute. YOU tell that man to quit.

Music is for everybody. Pro or not. Good or not. Don't like, don't critcize if some people do. Don't insult if an amateur came in and wrote some songs that shook the climate for a minute. That climate is what determines if he is viable or not anyway right? We ain't the only ones knocking the single. It's in a lot of stations playlists. I'm betting Chi-town's too. Ain't it?

If he so talentless like you said we won't be bothered by him in a minute right? The man been here since 2002 or so (as a writer). Don't look like he slowing down anytime soon. Just my opinion.

 

[PEACE1]

I'm starting to believe five percenters now, 85% of the world is brainwashed!!!!!!!!

T-pain is a temporary gimmick that's popular for the time being ala "disco". Years from now we will laugh at the stupid shit, we say, listen to, and wear now.

 

[freaky_1]

Please feel free to express your opinion. All I'm saying is your opinion is not justified. You picked out a single incident where a so-so singer had a bad night. I'm sure if you listen to any of those singers up there you would catch them on nights where shit ain't clicking. He's a studio enhanced singer. Wow...never had them before in pop music.

This is true that there have been studio enhanced singers, but I wouldn't call this man a singer. He sucks at that. He might be a good songwriter, but I don't listen to his garbage music or mostly anything from the south these days as it all sucks monkey balls.

You contradict the hell out yourself though...You say you write songs, but you not T-Pain. Is that the problem? You mad because he write "bullshit" while talented people like yourself and people you know can't get burn? Is that not the def of a hater?

Why should I be jealous of him? I'm closer to the industry than you think so I don't have to worry about anything. I don't hate him. Since I don't listen to his music I could really care less. You T-Pain Defense Force people are the one's who kept this going. You guys got your thongs up your asses because I posted this. Laugh and move on, this should not have gotten to 7 pages.

I produce. I write. I know that the music I make is not viable to the south right now. So what? Don't mean I'm gonna stop. I'm not mad that a fucker with a Casio just made a number one hit. It's music damn it. Shit happens sometimes.

I would love to her some of your stuff. Just because we have a difference of opinion on one thing does not mean we can't work together on some shit.

Saying that man should not sing is like saying DJ Shockley shouldn't play football. I mean he ain't Vick. He not even good enough to be secure in his spot on the team. But he love football. He contribute. YOU tell that man to quit.

I was raised to respect quality, not just accept anything.

Music is for everybody. Pro or not. Good or not. Don't like, don't critcize if some people do. Don't insult if an amateur came in and wrote some songs that shook the climate for a minute. That climate is what determines if he is viable or not anyway right? We ain't the only ones knocking the single. It's in a lot of stations playlists. I'm betting Chi-town's too. Ain't it?

Yeah it's playing up here as far as I know. I turned off the radio years ago, but I know Chicago loves to play wack shit so it wouldn't surprise me. Clear Channel won't play artists that put out real good shit they are only playing the ignorant club bullshit music. So that's not saying much at all. Radio is controlled by major corporations that don't have the people enjoyment at heart and are dictating the hits instead of letting the people decide by not giving airplay to all the artists who make music. Ever heard of Payola, I'm quite sure you have. I talk to PD's (Program Directors) and they say the shit is wack but they have to play it because the labels paid for that spot. That's not just T-Pain. So if something is on the radio don't mean it's good. Cassie got spins to you know and her shit was worse than T-Pain.

If he so talentless like you said we won't be bothered by him in a minute right? The man been here since 2002 or so (as a writer). Don't look like he slowing down anytime soon. Just my opinion.

Talentless people make it all the time in the industry, nothing new. Look at Britney Spears or Cassie or Ashanti. I hope you don't take things as is and think the business is 100% legit man, come on you can't be that blind, can you?

 

[freaky_1]

I'm starting to believe five percenters now, 85% of the world is brainwashed!!!!!!!!

T-pain is a temporary gimmick that's popular for the time being ala "disco". Years from now we will laugh at the stupid shit, we say, listen to, and wear now.

True.

 

[freaky_1]

If a million people believe in a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing. This analogy pretty much sums up how I feel about today's music consumer. These zombies just hop on what's hot. No one cares about skill and talent. No one cares if they make shit that is dated and not classical(meaning years from now people will still be say "that's that jam"). No one cares about the genius that came before them or the sacrifices that they made.

This thread proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that money = quality to these braindead idiots. The fact that an industry that is not controlled by the musicians themselves. Ofays and Yehudis on the record label board of directors are calling all the shots and they are selling you a musical culture which has become stagnant/repetitive/uncreative and some of the shit they peddle is pure mind mush and self-destructive.

No MONEY IS GOD!!!!!!!!, but you re 100% correct man. Glad IL. people have sense.

 

[freaky_1]

I will say this though. The T-Pain Defense Force is just as relentless as the Lil Wayne Tranny Squad.

 

[oatsuzn]

wow T-PAIN exposed...as if nobody knew

 

[freaky_1]

wow T-PAIN exposed...as if nobody knew

Tell that to the T-Pain Defense Force

 

[Andeyhollawho]

You T-Pain Defense Force people are the one's who kept this going. You guys got your thongs up your asses because I posted this. Laugh and move on, this should not have gotten to 7 pages.

I was raised to respect quality, not just accept anything.

I hope you don't take things as is and think the business is 100% legit man, come on you can't be that blind, can you?

I am NOT the T-Pain Defense Force!

If you got that through your head then maybe you could see that what I am saying is true.

I know about payola. I know about favors. I know that the most talented don't win...it's the most connected. I know a lot more than what you are giving me credit for.

I'm pretty well versed in the industry too.

What I am defending is that man's right to make music. Can't take that away from him and you can't sit here and nit-pick every damn thing the man do that you don't like as proof he shouldn't make it. That's my point.

So he can't sing THAT well. He can't sing at all according to you. But he didn't brainwash millions of people into liking that shit. Neither did the program directors or a little white jewish man behind a desk. I LIKED THAT GODDAMN SONG!!! Period. First time I heard it. If it were up to you I never would have heard it. That's fucked up homeboi.

That "Shawty" for Plies is a raw ass hook and melody. Sue me for liking the shit. The man is catchy. It's music. It's not rocket science. It's not an elite country club. It's a FEELING! Music should evoke feelings. T-Pain does that pretty good and he got a right too. If I won't the feeling he giving I roll with him. He's not my FAVORITE singer.

So many of these "talented" muthafuckers lose sight of this simple rule for sucess...ENTERTAIN YO FUCKING FANS PLEASE!!!!

I don't want to hear that murder, death, kill, homicide shit all the time.
I don't want to hear about depressing ass stories about how the ghetto is a place we will never escape.
Fuck the police...I get it. Damn it.

Nobody has solutions for this shit right now. It's been 20 fucking years of that shit. Stop damn talking about it if you don't have a fresh take on it. It's hot outside here too. Damn.

I'm not saying dance and go dumb all the time, but DAMN!!!! Do it every once in a while. Knock that T-Pain if you at the club. Knock that Common when you by yourself chiling. Knock that NWA when the cops fucking with you. Knock that Nas when you need to be challenged mentally.

But don't tell me T-Pain ain't got no space in music or the world.

 

[Andeyhollawho]

And we can connect on that music shit for real.

I think we are more alike than you think.

 

[bigdaddy2927]

He's actually not nearly as bad as I expected him to be.

 

[Snyckerbar-1]

T-Pain can't sing..

So what?

I had questions about his singing ability when I heard him use what I naively referred to as the "Computer Love" sound effect when he first came out. He took an old technique and pimped it so that he could make millions. It's not like he's the only one guilty of it. Most members of the music biz are cookie cutter these days.. we've all heard "gun" rhymed with every word in the English language (and some Ebonics, too!). Talent is NOT a prerequisite to be big in the modern music industry, and neither is integrity. Most radio stations are owned by one major conglomerate or the other, and they're all playing what they think we want to hear. As a result, there is no variation in style, no variation in the typical performance, and no chance of cats with real musical talent getting the mainstream exposure they deserve. At this point, I'm convinced that R. Kelly could make a recording of himself taking a dump, and it would be in the top ten the week after it dropped (no pun intended...). The bottom line: Nothing is going to change until we stop supporting mindless music. Period.

I'm gonna get off the soapbox now (ain't nobody listening anyway...)

 

[FJP]

Good way to tout the company line and stick up for the corporate folks fucking up music. I buy music for their skill and ability. I guess you don't need that anymore.

It's so many people who have real talent but can't get in because of people lik you who just want to market bullshit artists. I know it's a business and being a person who is in the business I understand the need to have a marketable product. But where it ends with me is I market talent.

You guys just go with what's "hot", which is stupid.

For the record I never thought he could sing but damn hearing him Live is brutal and you got people dissing musical legends for this fraud and you're basically co-signing them? What little respect I had for you opinion is gone.

Did you even read what I typed? You can talk that skill and ability shit all you want but everybody you name and tout needed help to be successful. You make it seem like if have the vocal talent thats all you need, you are being naive..Cosigning T-Pain? Did you hear me say one good word about T Pain in that post? No you didnt. Man grow up you have one-sided agendas and you stick to them.

A fraud is something that is trying to be passed off as authentic. When has T Pain ever claimed that his voice sounded like that? When did he EVER claim to be a true vocalist at all? When did he ever say he was a traditional singer? How can you be a fraud of something you never claimed to be?...


Dont get your wife beater turned around Music Man, nobody dissed legends. I simply said they needed help too. As great as Marvin Gaye is...he didnt write shit..And Corporate Control? Man you think the shit on dreamgirls was fake? Ask an old head man Music for the most part has ALWAYS been controlled by the corporate heads. Berry Gordy made people make the music he wanted them to make. The went with what was hot. Which is the Supremes started making disco and what not. Look at the Temptations, same thing. Black/White/Blue no matter what, they always went with the hot thing. The difference is back then what was hot happened to be good music too.

You apparently live in a dream world. You think music is all about talent. Music is about the culmination of the track. Lenny Williams sung the shit out of I love you, but the track aint shit without the writer making the words and the producer making that perfect classic beat. Lets Get it On aint as great without that "Whom Whom Whom" at the beginning. Man remember that. Theres a huge difference between great talent and great music...

My Example is always my favorite MC: Canibus. Lyrically man he'll run circles around anybody, its damn near even close. But he cant put together a total track anymore. Instead he goes 100-1,000 bar tangents and overloads your brain, not trying to necessarily interest but to overwhelm and amaze you.

 

[LSN]

T-Pain is better than Canibus?!?! Man I can't believe you said that...

Did you even read what I typed? You can talk that skill and ability shit all you want but everybody you name and tout needed help to be successful. You make it seem like if have the vocal talent thats all you need, you are being naive..Cosigning T-Pain? Did you hear me say one good word about T Pain in that post? No you didnt. Man grow up you have one-sided agendas and you stick to them.

A fraud is something that is trying to be passed off as authentic. When has T Pain ever claimed that his voice sounded like that? When did he EVER claim to be a true vocalist at all? When did he ever say he was a traditional singer? How can you be a fraud of something you never claimed to be?...


Dont get your wife beater turned around Music Man, nobody dissed legends. I simply said they needed help too. As great as Marvin Gaye is...he didnt write shit..And Corporate Control? Man you think the shit on dreamgirls was fake? Ask an old head man Music for the most part has ALWAYS been controlled by the corporate heads. Berry Gordy made people make the music he wanted them to make. The went with what was hot. Which is the Supremes started making disco and what not. Look at the Temptations, same thing. Black/White/Blue no matter what, they always went with the hot thing. The difference is back then what was hot happened to be good music too.

You apparently live in a dream world. You think music is all about talent. Music is about the culmination of the track. Lenny Williams sung the shit out of I love you, but the track aint shit without the writer making the words and the producer making that perfect classic beat. Lets Get it On aint as great without that "Whom Whom Whom" at the beginning. Man remember that. Theres a huge difference between great talent and great music...

My Example is always my favorite MC: Canibus. Lyrically man he'll run circles around anybody, its damn near even close. But he cant put together a total track anymore. Instead he goes 100-1,000 bar tangents and overloads your brain, not trying to necessarily interest but to overwhelm and amaze you.

 

[FJP]

Leroy are you retarded? How could I be saying Pain is better than Canibus when I start the paragraph off with "MY example is always my FAVORITE MC" If someone is my favorite how can anybody be above them in my opinion? Man make sense.

 

[freaky_1]

I am NOT the T-Pain Defense Force!

If you got that through your head then maybe you could see that what I am saying is true.

To me it's not true. Let's just agree to disagree.

I know about payola. I know about favors. I know that the most talented don't win...it's the most connected. I know a lot more than what you are giving me credit for.

Then you should know that radio spins today don't mean as much as they used to.

I'm pretty well versed in the industry too.

Good, because then we can talk as fans of music and people who are involved in the business

What I am defending is that man's right to make music. Can't take that away from him and you can't sit here and nit-pick every damn thing the man do that you don't like as proof he shouldn't make it. That's my point.

If he is as good of a songwriter as you say he is and you admit he's not a good singer, then he should just stick to writing, he'd make more money then being an artist, and he would have more income streams than just singing or trying to his stuff himself. What I am talking about is there are real singers who can entertain the crowd but are not given the chance because the industry wants to promote this crunk/snap bullshit.

So he can't sing THAT well. He can't sing at all according to you. But he didn't brainwash millions of people into liking that shit. Neither did the program directors or a little white jewish man behind a desk. I LIKED THAT GODDAMN SONG!!! Period. First time I heard it. If it were up to you I never would have heard it. That's fucked up homeboi.

Would you like that song had there been a wider variety of music to choose from instead of the narrow form of music being broadcast today? You're wrong on that brainwashed thing man. Millions (I don't thinks it's that many_ have been buying into this because they have been told what to like over the last ten years by radio and videos only playing certain kind of music and at the same time pushing more talented better artists to the back. Not giving them the respect they desreve by putting out people who have no dignity and will make whatever the industry tells them to, because they "getting money"

That "Shawty" for Plies is a raw ass hook and melody. Sue me for liking the shit. The man is catchy. It's music. It's not rocket science. It's not an elite country club. It's a FEELING! Music should evoke feelings. T-Pain does that pretty good and he got a right too. If I won't the feeling he giving I roll with him. He's not my FAVORITE singer.

I can't tell. I never heard "that song I don't listen to the radio. If it's another snap music song then you can miss me with it also.

So many of these "talented" muthafuckers lose sight of this simple rule for success...ENTERTAIN YO FUCKING FANS PLEASE!!!!

I know plenty of artists that do just that but they never get the chance to do it on the major level because the industry is full of people who don't respect music and were never trained in music and it is suffering because of it. People get FL Studio and all of a sudden they are producers, bullshit.

I don't want to hear that murder, death, kill, homicide shit all the time.
I don't want to hear about depressing ass stories about how the ghetto is a place we will never escape.
Fuck the police...I get it. Damn it.

You're generalizing. But I get what you're saying. But isn't this true about most of this crunk bullshit? I got Ice, I got money, I'm in the club, I got hoes, you a tip drill, look at my grill? See i can do it too.

Nobody has solutions for this shit right now. It's been 20 fucking years of that shit. Stop damn talking about it if you don't have a fresh take on it. It's hot outside here too. Damn.

Yeah that's the solution, let's get drunk in the club, party and bullshit our life away. Let's not address issues in our music and other forms, let's get crunk and do some stupid snap dances looking like fags and sht.

I'm not saying dance and go dumb all the time, but DAMN!!!! Do it every once in a while. Knock that T-Pain if you at the club. Knock that Common when you by yourself chiling. Knock that NWA when the cops fucking with you. Knock that Nas when you need to be challenged mentally.

I would rather hear Common in the club than T=Pain or that snap bullshit.

But don't tell me T-Pain ain't got no space in music or the world.

He probably does have space in the music world, just not where he is currently occupying it.

 

[LSN]

Leroy are you retarded? How could I be saying Pain is better than Canibus when I start the paragraph off with "MY example is always my FAVORITE MC" If someone is my favorite how can anybody be above them in my opinion? Man make sense.

Man I'm just fukkin with you...

 

[freaky_1]

And we can connect on that music shit for real.

I think we are more alike than you think.

ok that's what's up

 

[Mo Pizorn]

I challenge the notion that T-pain is a good writer. Show me examples of this. Its not in his own singles. Case and point; lets take Roger, of whom he was compared to

I Wanna Be Your Man:
Hey Lady....
Let me tell u why
I can't live my life without u (Awww baby)
Everytime i see u walkin by i can not breathe
U don't understand but in time you will
I must make u understand

Chorus-
I wanna be your man (I gonna be Your Man)
I wanna be your man ( Yes I do baby )
I wanna be your man ( I wanna be your man)
I wanna be your man (I wanna be your man)

U better not pass me by...
Cuz if you do, u'll loose a good thing (oooooh Baby)
Cuz what i've got to say is sealed with a kiss
and a wedding ring (wedding ring)
My mind is blind at times i can't see anyone but you
Those other girls don't matter no they can't spoil my view
I must make u understand...........

(Chorusx2)

Words can never say what i feel Its too intense
Oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh ohhhhhh
I tried I tried I tried I tried to tell u how i feel
But i get mixed up (soooooo mixed up)
My mind is blind at times i can't see anyone but u
Those other girls don't matter no they can't spoil my view
I must make u understand........

(Chorus until songs fades out)



Now T-Pain - "Buy You a Drink"

[Verse 1:]
Baby Girl
Whats Your Name
Let Me Talk To You
Let Me Buy You A Drink
I'm T-Pain, You Know Me
Konvict Music Have Every Boy Like Ohh Wee
I Know The Club Close At 3
Whats The Chance A You Rollin Wit Me
Back To The Crib
Show You How I Live
Lets Get Drunk Forget What We Did

[Chorus:]
Imma Buy You A Drank
Then Imma Take You Home With Me
I Got Money In The Bank
Shawty Whachu Think Bout That
Find Me In The Grey Cadillac
We In The Bed Like
Ooh Ooh Ohh, Ooh Ooh
We In The Bed Like
Ooh Ooh Ooh, Ooh Ooh

[Verse 2:]
Talk To Me, I Talk Back
Lets Talk Money, I Top That
Crunk Juice Bottle
Oakly Shades
Shawty Got Class
Oh Behave
Lets Get Gone
Walk It Out (Walk It Out)
Just Like That
That's What I'm Talkin' Bout
We Gone Have Fun
You Gone See
On That Patron
You Should Get Like Me

[Chorus:]
Imma Buy You A Drank
Then Imma Take You Home With Me
I Got Money In The Bank

Shawty Whachu Think Bout That
Find Me In The Grey Cadillac
We In The Bed Like
Ooh Ooh Ohh, Ooh Ooh
We In The Bed Like
Ooh Ooh Ooh, Ooh Ooh


That's enough right there.
You call that songwriting? Get the FUCK outta here! That's bullshit.
There has been a huge downgrade in quality these days. People believe the hype machine. That T-Pain shit is not an example of good songwriting. Look at the concepts - similar. Now examine the eloquence that Roger uses. T-Pain wants to fuck. Roger wants to "be her man" which of course comes with fucking privledges. Roger is saying exactly what women would rather hear "My mind is blind at times I can't see anyone but you
Those other girls don't matter no they can't spoil my view" - That's MACK SHIT right there! T-Pain is basically calling the woman a drinkwhore. I'mma buy you a drink and we gonna fuck, right? That's not clever, eloquent or even creative. "Bitch, get drunk" is his message.
To further make my point, take Roger's lyrics and vocal arrangement and picture a strong vocalist like Maxwell or Johnny Gill or Jaheim singing it. It fits with other vocalists. Its a good song. Now do the same with T-Pain. Not happening. He's not of the caliber of the songwriters in the industry who sell hits that have cover potential. The greatest thing for a sogwriter is to have lots of people cover the song they wrote. "Bartender" ain't gonna cut it.
This thread is ridiculous. I'm out.

 

[holiday112284]

As if we didn't know.

Now there's proof, if this has been posted please disregard, but if you want a good laugh check this out.




Here's a demonstration of the software he uses to get the effect on his voice.

[FLASH]http://www.youtube.com/v/RYiN2N_JADg[/FLASH]

Now as further proof, here he is "singing" on Jimmy Kimmel Live without the effect.

Honestly I don't know who's worse, him or his back ups. Oh and the comments on the You Tube page are hilarious.

[FLASH]http://www.youtube.com/v/YCDWLaFc9u4[/FLASH]

BUSTED!!!!!!!!!!!



Where have the real singer gone?

Who gives a damn if he can sing or not why yall hating on that man the fact that still remain is hes rich and your are broke as hell so stfu & let that man do his thing you act like if u couldn't sing & got offered a record deal u wouldn't take advantage of the opportunity CUZ I DAMN SHORE WOULD SO until yall get rich as the man WHICH WILL BE NEVER STFU & LET HIM MAKE HIS MONEY....BE THE SAME TYPE OF MOFoS clowning the dude then go out and cop his album