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I can't believe how many people on here and social media are stuck on the “Verinique rode with him until he put his hands on her and then she did what's best for her child“ and “Cissy sacrificed herself to free him because knew the money would ruin him when none of that was even remotely true based on the events of the show and they just block out the part where Franklin wanted the millions so he could get out of the game. In the Veronique case she went behind his back trying to sell the property and when he confronted her and put his hands around her neck for it she took ALL the money he had left and dipped. It's clear as day that Cissy shot Teddy for revenge for killing Alton, if she had killed Teddy after Franklin got the money, Teddy would have been dead, Franklin would have his money, he would have gotten out the game and became a legit businessman


I can dig all that. But in the eyes of the Saint, it was ALL OR NOTHING when it came to this real estate thing. He saw that downtown property as the ONLY WAY to get out from under the influence of 'the game'. Losing the property was a 'sign of weakness' to his 'ENEMIES'. This is the ONLY reason he was trying so hard to get the money. ANY money (just like a crackhead). The reality is that he still could have found his way out of it (as has already been pointed out by D24OHA) with the lesser properties that he ALREADY OWNED and was free and clear of any debts with. It just would take longer than he previously planned. In the drug game, Saint was the King. But in the real estate, they were PARTNERS. She might have been a minority partner but her knowledge was equal to that of Saint.


I contend that Franklin Saint became ADDICTED (as I said in my previous post) to the allure of fast money and that is what drove him completely insane. To the point of every act he committed in the last two episodes. Alcohol was the crutch that actually brought him back to a little reality.

*Evidence that he lost his mind* He wanted Leon to give him ALL THE MONEY he had (3 mil) for the downtown project (even though it wouldn't even be enough) leaving him high and dry in the business that he was already in. If Leon gives all that money, he is DEAD, he has nothing to pay for anything to his people. But Saint ain't give a rat's ass about that. He really would have tried to rob his best friend (his brotha really) if all them cats were not there. CRAZY
 
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I can dig all that. But in the eyes of the Saint, it was ALL OR NOTHING when it came to this real estate thing. He saw that downtown property as the ONLY WAY to get out from under the influence of 'the game'. Losing the property was a 'sign of weakness' to his 'ENEMIES'. This is the ONLY reason he was trying so hard to get the money. ANY money (just like a crackhead). The reality is that he still could have found his way out of it (as has already been pointed out by D24OHA) with the lesser properties that he ALREADY OWNED and was free and clear of any debts with. It just would take longer than he previously planned. In the drug game, Saint was the King. But in the real estate, they were PARTNERS. She might have been a minority partner but her knowledge was equal to that of Saint.


I contend that Franklin Saint became ADDICTED (as I said in my previous post) to the allure of fast money and that is what drove him completely insane. To the point of every act he committed in the last two episodes. Alcohol was the crutch that actually brought him back to a little reality.

*Evidence that he lost his mind* He wanted Leon to give him ALL THE MONEY he had (3 mil) for the downtown project (even though it would be enough) leaving him high and dry in the business that he was already in. If Leon gives all that money, he is DEAD, he has nothing to pay for anything to his people. But Saint ain't give a rat's ass about that. He really would have tried to rob his best friend (his brotha really) if all them cats were not there. CRAZY

Nah he was addicted to getting HIS MONEY back, if he had gotten HIS 37 million back then none of what happened in the last 2 episodes would have happened, even if there had been like a million in Peaches safe things would have been different. Him and Veronique were never equal because she came along and helped build an empire that had already been started so her stealing that money was wrong on all levels. Him asking Leon for his 3 million was when he'd lost his mind but this came after losing 72 million, losing 37 million, losing 800k and then getting back only 12k of 5 million you lost from early on
 
The government broke Alton down for sure. The government didn't break Franklin down his mom did.

In her selfish vengeful act she took her entire legacy with her


Like her son is evil but because Leon reads books to counteract him selling dope hes the son she never had??
Lolololololololllolololollllool


Did the government break him down?
Or did not having 37m dollars break him down?
You do know nobody got that money right? The only person that knew the account and code was teddy he died
That money is still there if the bank exists
Teddy wasn't even in the cia
They were off Franklin once he handed over the kgb agent

And Franklin didn't want to sell drugs anymore he wanted the property and legit business dealings

See how they didn't seize his property? How they didn't seize his house?
They didn't give a fuck about Franklin or any of them. Not a single fuck
Leon is still out here selling drugs and thriving as a known associate and franklin's best friend

The only reason they after Louie is because she "smarter" than everyone and got on the dea radar
Dea didn't even know about Franklin they knew about Teddy lol


The facts as the show laid it out proves that if he had his 37m everything would've been GREAT
He'd be alive out of the game where he tried to be until his family betrayed him and someone stole 73 million dollars from him
She was evil and selfish and they trying to make it seem like she wanted to save Franklin....TOO LATE he was selling crack for the government. Too late to be moral police now. At that stage he wanted the money to fund his real estate. The best case scenario. And this bitch couldn't see that. She got me hot. Her intentions were selfish as fuck because SHE couldn't live with herself.
 
he the one that f up.
they all told him what they will do
all he saw was ego
chick was ridin with him til he put hands on here
start messing up the business
mom did what she needed to do
with htat money franklin was a dead man walkin
Naw I disagree. Everybody was selfish. Everyone. His chic was selfish all she gave a damn about was the money for the real estate. His momma for sure selfish as FUCK. She could've waited until Teddy gave that pin and then killed him. But naw.....she wanted to hurt Franklin and Teddy at the same time because she was fucking but hurt Franklin chose his wife over her bitter ass.

How was he a dead man walking? Shit he a dead man walking now he a whole crackhead drunk who's been broken. And his chic betrayed him so he was hurt. I aint' saying put your hands around his neck but she ain't innocent man y'all tripping. Since the beginning Franklin been putting everyone on even at times putting his happiness to the side. Leon got the nerve to not want to give him the money? He made Leon a millionaire and saved his life. Saved his momma life. Louie was watching soap operas and shit and hanging up under Jerome before Franklin. Disloyal fucks. :lol: I'm mad as hell. :lol:
 
I'm getting the sense that people believe that Teddy took that $70+ mil to fight for democracy. No, I don't believe that. Teddy took that money cause he wanted it. Saint was living lovely off the dope Teddy was selling him. Saint had a girl that was down for him and a baby on the way. What did Teddy have? A failed marriage that produced a son that he hardly ever spent time with because of his dedication to the job. I believe he felt a certain way about that and took the money in order to create a similar life with his old fling. Good old fashion greed, plain and simple. His current girlfriend to him he should give Saint the money back. His ex-wife said the same thing. Saint should have never trusted Teddy. He also should not have put his money in Puerto Rico cause it's too easy for the Gov. to get their hands on it.. Swiss bank account was the move he missed and it cost him. As they say in chess, Saint got mated on the board.
 
I can't believe how many people on here and social media are stuck on the “Verinique rode with him until he put his hands on her and then she did what's best for her child“ and “Cissy sacrificed herself to free him because knew the money would ruin him when none of that was even remotely true based on the events of the show and they just block out the part where Franklin wanted the millions so he could get out of the game. In the Veronique case she went behind his back trying to sell the property and when he confronted her and put his hands around her neck for it she took ALL the money he had left and dipped. It's clear as day that Cissy shot Teddy for revenge for killing Alton, if she had killed Teddy after Franklin got the money, Teddy would have been dead, Franklin would have his money, he would have gotten out the game and became a legit businessman
SIMPLE
it was selfish savior complex bullshit
 
I can dig all that. But in the eyes of the Saint, it was ALL OR NOTHING when it came to this real estate thing. He saw that downtown property as the ONLY WAY to get out from under the influence of 'the game'. Losing the property was a 'sign of weakness' to his 'ENEMIES'. This is the ONLY reason he was trying so hard to get the money. ANY money (just like a crackhead). The reality is that he still could have found his way out of it (as has already been pointed out by D24OHA) with the lesser properties that he ALREADY OWNED and was free and clear of any debts with. It just would take longer than he previously planned. In the drug game, Saint was the King. But in the real estate, they were PARTNERS. She might have been a minority partner but her knowledge was equal to that of Saint.


I contend that Franklin Saint became ADDICTED (as I said in my previous post) to the allure of fast money and that is what drove him completely insane. To the point of every act he committed in the last two episodes. Alcohol was the crutch that actually brought him back to a little reality.

*Evidence that he lost his mind* He wanted Leon to give him ALL THE MONEY he had (3 mil) for the downtown project (even though it wouldn't even be enough) leaving him high and dry in the business that he was already in. If Leon gives all that money, he is DEAD, he has nothing to pay for anything to his people. But Saint ain't give a rat's ass about that. He really would have tried to rob his best friend (his brotha really) if all them cats were not there. CRAZY
Disagree completely

He could have found his way out if his broad wouldn't have went behind his back

She was selfish fucking too.
The man has his family betray him in every way possible you're the only one who hasn't then you go behind his back?

A man who just dealt with the CIA and kgb ??
That same man ?
Sure leave after idgaf about all of that what we not gonna do is not act like he hadn't been betrayed by everyone he ever trusted and her thinking it's a good idea to go behind his back cause she just knows what's best

It don't matter if it was what's best or not
Be a human being. Let him come through. Hey this is what we should do and then we'll get everything back.

Did she do that? Nope she did the opposite and had his opp come to his crib making him look fucking stupid. Didn't even page him to let him know lol

He wasn't addicted to money he made his money
He had his exit he spent an entire season on a swan song.
Lady baby mom good 73 million in the bank setup Leon aunt uncle he's GONE

Then what happened?


It's wild to see how he needed to be more level headed with his entire legacy on the line lol

37m down the drain cause you felt you were the savior and killed the man that could set your grand child up for life

But hey she in jail forever and she said stupid shit at court they didn't even put on the record but at least her conscious is clear
At least she has a new son
 
She was evil and selfish and they trying to make it seem like she wanted to save Franklin....TOO LATE he was selling crack for the government. Too late to be moral police now. At that stage he wanted the money to fund his real estate. The best case scenario. And this bitch couldn't see that. She got me hot. Her intentions were selfish as fuck because SHE couldn't live with herself.
She came back and agreed to burn it all down to avenge her husband's death

AND DID

and people out here talking about saving Franklin
Nothing she did was to save Franklin
 
SIMPLE
it was selfish savior complex bullshit

Who hurt you fam? Hahaha

You've got like 3 or so people who refute this point of yours, but this is your hill.....

I damn near quoted V verbatim with what she told her mother.....she was a rider, until Franklin showed her, that momma was right.....

If she was really just a con artist or waiting for the big score she would've have been siphoning off money instead of letting $73 Mil stack up. She helped Franklin legitimize his business and have the accounts to back it up....she had his back until he showed he didn't have hers.


The $800k she "took" was the last available amount on his line of credit = overleveraged.....

it wasn't even $800K liquid, Franklin was truly trying betting the house on that downtown project with IOUs.....

dude was GOOOOONNNNNNEEEE!
 
Naw I disagree. Everybody was selfish. Everyone. His chic was selfish all she gave a damn about was the money for the real estate. His momma for sure selfish as FUCK. She could've waited until Teddy gave that pin and then killed him. But naw.....she wanted to hurt Franklin and Teddy at the same time because she was fucking but hurt Franklin chose his wife over her bitter ass.

How was he a dead man walking? Shit he a dead man walking now he a whole crackhead drunk who's been broken. And his chic betrayed him so he was hurt. I aint' saying put your hands around his neck but she ain't innocent man y'all tripping. Since the beginning Franklin been putting everyone on even at times putting his happiness to the side. Leon got the nerve to not want to give him the money? He made Leon a millionaire and saved his life. Saved his momma life. Louie was watching soap operas and shit and hanging up under Jerome before Franklin. Disloyal fucks. :lol: I'm mad as hell. :lol:
She only cares about the money scamming hoe

Stole 800k bright and early never to be seen again
It wasn't cause he put hands on her she knows the nigga ain't a woman beater after all he's been through she would've been got her ass beat if he was the type
Took off on the nigga
With his son
Called him later to rub it in his face told him take solace

Oh yea? Cool


Everyone a hoe

Teddy died good all he had was drugs not an empire Franklin built that

Louie was sucking pussy in the back of a night club

Rome was hitting sets on the porch nigga even tried to open a boombox store

Leon was nowhere

Cissy had a stroke collecting rent

Oso would be MURDERED

I'll give the writers credit last scene he said "women, I just don't understand man"
You damn right you could say that man

I know for a fact my momma wouldn't leave me hanging out to dry with 37m on the line for revenge
 
Who hurt you fam? Hahaha

You've got like 3 or so people who refute this point of yours, but this is your hill.....

I damn near quoted V verbatim with what she told her mother.....she was a rider, until Franklin showed her, that momma was right.....

If she was really just a con artist or waiting for the big score she would've have been siphoning off money instead of letting $73 Mil stack up. She helped Franklin legitimize his business and have the accounts to back it up....she had his back until he showed he didn't have hers.


The $800k she "took" was the last available amount on his line of credit = overleveraged.....

it wasn't even $800K liquid, Franklin was truly trying betting the house on that downtown project with IOUs.....

dude was GOOOOONNNNNNEEEE!
Don't do that we having a conversation about a show. Nobody is hurt.

You didn't refute any points though thats the funny part it's not a hill it's what happened in the show

The theory is that he was saved because he didn't have the money

The fact is the CIA gave no fucks about him. Period.
He handed over the kgb agent hands clean
She is a con artist that's what she's doing now 800k ain't lasting 40 years lol
But the v topic isn't saying nor have I said from day 1 she was scamming

It's that she's acting offended and DUMB like she didn't understand what he'd been through and said fuck that I'll do the thing that he definitely doesn't want anyone to do considering what happened.

Leave after the hands that's fine go for it

Why go behind his back in the 1st place there is literally no excuse for it. None. Her paging him and waiting until he came and then trying to plan next steps takes no time at all
None
 
Who hurt you fam? Hahaha

You've got like 3 or so people who refute this point of yours, but this is your hill.....

I damn near quoted V verbatim with what she told her mother.....she was a rider, until Franklin showed her, that momma was right.....

If she was really just a con artist or waiting for the big score she would've have been siphoning off money instead of letting $73 Mil stack up. She helped Franklin legitimize his business and have the accounts to back it up....she had his back until he showed he didn't have hers.


The $800k she "took" was the last available amount on his line of credit = overleveraged.....

it wasn't even $800K liquid, Franklin was truly trying betting the house on that downtown project with IOUs.....

dude was GOOOOONNNNNNEEEE!

How did she have his back when she went behind his back and tried to sell the property, y'all act like he put his hands around her neck for no reason. Even if he was fucking up it was HIS MONEY, she helped him but it was still HIS MONEY so she had no right to try and sell the property and sure as hell didn't have a right to steal the 800k
 
How did she have his back when she went behind his back and tried to sell the property, y'all act like he put his hands around her neck for no reason. Even if he was fucking up it was HIS MONEY, she helped him but it was still HIS MONEY so she had no right to try and sell the property and sure as hell didn't have a right to steal the 800k
He was wrong for putting hands on her
She was wrong for going behind his back
 
I'm getting the sense that people believe that Teddy took that $70+ mil to fight for democracy. No, I don't believe that. Teddy took that money cause he wanted it. Saint was living lovely off the dope Teddy was selling him. Saint had a girl that was down for him and a baby on the way. What did Teddy have? A failed marriage that produced a son that he hardly ever spent time with because of his dedication to the job. I believe he felt a certain way about that and took the money in order to create a similar life with his old fling. Good old fashion greed, plain and simple. His current girlfriend to him he should give Saint the money back. His ex-wife said the same thing. Saint should have never trusted Teddy. He also should not have put his money in Puerto Rico cause it's too easy for the Gov. to get their hands on it.. Swiss bank account was the move he missed and it cost him. As they say in chess, Saint got mated on the board.

Teddy was offered a way back "in" the CIA if he delivered on his side of the "war."

That $73 mil was already earmarked for the CIA hence why the handler was there. They were NEVER going to let Franklin take that money and ride off into the sunset.

Teddy said it himself, "do you know what $73 million can buy? How many...(and begins to list guns and other weapons I believe.)

The CIA n"eeded" the money.....

As soon as Franklin thought about using it for anything it would've been seized again
How did she have his back when she went behind his back and tried to sell the property, y'all act like he put his hands around her neck for no reason. Even if he was fucking up it was HIS MONEY, she helped him but it was still HIS MONEY so she had no right to try and sell the property and sure as hell didn't have a right to steal the 800k

WRONG!

Once you get married and bring a child into this world "the money" became more than his......

Someone had to protect the child's future, because he wasn't even protecting himself
 
Naw I disagree. Everybody was selfish. Everyone. His chic was selfish all she gave a damn about was the money for the real estate. His momma for sure selfish as FUCK. She could've waited until Teddy gave that pin and then killed him. But naw.....she wanted to hurt Franklin and Teddy at the same time because she was fucking but hurt Franklin chose his wife over her bitter ass.

How was he a dead man walking? Shit he a dead man walking now he a whole crackhead drunk who's been broken. And his chic betrayed him so he was hurt. I aint' saying put your hands around his neck but she ain't innocent man y'all tripping. Since the beginning Franklin been putting everyone on even at times putting his happiness to the side. Leon got the nerve to not want to give him the money? He made Leon a millionaire and saved his life. Saved his momma life. Louie was watching soap operas and shit and hanging up under Jerome before Franklin. Disloyal fucks. :lol: I'm mad as hell. :lol:
who is to say teddy was telling the truth
lets even say mom selfish
with that money frank was dead man regardless

again u watch the show every thing was foreshadowed
all the way to him being a drunk
 
Teddy was offered a way back "in" the CIA if he delivered on his side of the "war."

That $73 mil was already earmarked for the CIA hence why the handler was there. They were NEVER going to let Franklin take that money and ride off into the sunset.

Teddy said it himself, "do you know what $73 million can buy? How many...(and begins to list guns and other weapons I believe.)

The CIA n"eeded" the money.....

As soon as Franklin thought about using it for anything it would've been seized again


WRONG!

Once you get married and bring a child into this world "the money" became more than his......

Someone had to protect the child's future, because he wasn't even protecting himself
I don't remember Franklin marrying Veronique so again NO it was his money
 
Teddy was offered a way back "in" the CIA if he delivered on his side of the "war."

That $73 mil was already earmarked for the CIA hence why the handler was there. They were NEVER going to let Franklin take that money and ride off into the sunset.

Teddy said it himself, "do you know what $73 million can buy? How many...(and begins to list guns and other weapons I believe.)

The CIA n"eeded" the money.....

As soon as Franklin thought about using it for anything it would've been seized again


WRONG!

Once you get married and bring a child into this world "the money" became more than his......

Someone had to protect the child's future, because he wasn't even protecting himself



ALL OF THIS!

Want to talk about speculations!! Imagine if Saint hadn't gotten the upper hand. If Oso hadn't turned on Teddy. Teddy making plans with that other chic to elope with that money. They would have had to KILL his handler, then disappear. But I don't think Teddy was in love with that chic anyway. Probably would've ended up killing her too. His wife and child would never be safe. Even in 1986, CIA had damn near UNLIMITED resources (Reagan era, George Bush in charge I think). They had eyes and ears all over the world. Even in countries that weren't 'friendly'


How's THAT for speculations??!!
 
She only cares about the money scamming hoe

Stole 800k bright and early never to be seen again
It wasn't cause he put hands on her she knows the nigga ain't a woman beater after all he's been through she would've been got her ass beat if he was the type
Took off on the nigga
With his son
Called him later to rub it in his face told him take solace

Oh yea? Cool


Everyone a hoe

Teddy died good all he had was drugs not an empire Franklin built that

Louie was sucking pussy in the back of a night club

Rome was hitting sets on the porch nigga even tried to open a boombox store

Leon was nowhere

Cissy had a stroke collecting rent

Oso would be MURDERED

I'll give the writers credit last scene he said "women, I just don't understand man"
You damn right you could say that man

I know for a fact my momma wouldn't leave me hanging out to dry with 37m on the line for revenge
I’m trying to figure out what do people think Franklin was gonna do? Was he not in real estate? He wasn’t gonna use it on drugs….he was on to a more legit shit….im not seeing how it was gonna hurt him to get his 37 million.
 
who is to say teddy was telling the truth
lets even say mom selfish
with that money frank was dead man regardless

again u watch the show every thing was foreshadowed
all the way to him being a drunk
How was he a dead man? That fool dead now shit. Can’t be any worse.
 
who is to say teddy was telling the truth
lets even say mom selfish
with that money frank was dead man regardless

again u watch the show every thing was foreshadowed
all the way to him being a drunk
It's just not true.
They didn't know how much he had or didn't have
Only teddy who was not in the CIA knew
Once teddy gone and kgb agent captured they were done with the entire situation
The results of the show proved that because if they weren't he'd still been murdered they don't leave loose ends period

Either Franklin was a loose end because of all he knew or NOT

Money didn't change shit
 
I’m trying to figure out what do people think Franklin was gonna do? Was he not in real estate? He wasn’t gonna use it on drugs….he was on to a more legit shit….im not seeing how it was gonna hurt him to get his 37 million.
It's so fuckin stupid because his entire quest is to get his damn retirement money
Lol

That's all the shit is. Someone stole my retirement money I need it to retire

His mom said no you don't son you don't need to retire get out of the game literally build the community up and give back

You need to not have anything left


I could see if his plan was to take over avi role and become the arms dealer for the hood lol that's a monster

He wanted the opposite
Could've and would've funded her halfway house and more

But nah
 
ALL OF THIS!

Want to talk about speculations!! Imagine if Saint hadn't gotten the upper hand. If Oso hadn't turned on Teddy. Teddy making plans with that other chic to elope with that money. They would have had to KILL his handler, then disappear. But I don't think Teddy was in love with that chic anyway. Probably would've ended up killing her too. His wife and child would never be safe. Even in 1986, CIA had damn near UNLIMITED resources (Reagan era, George Bush in charge I think). They had eyes and ears all over the world. Even in countries that weren't 'friendly'


How's THAT for speculations??!!
Pretty good for Teddy
It doesn't explain why they didn't kill Franklin 73m dollars doesn't discount the verifiable proof he had of what they did.

Teddy was gone. They weren't tripping after they got the kgb agent
Everything wrapped in a bow


Franklin with money didn't mean anything to them and their games all he was gonna do is own some "ghetto" property as far as they're concerned
 
I’m trying to figure out what do people think Franklin was gonna do? Was he not in real estate? He wasn’t gonna use it on drugs….he was on to a more legit shit….im not seeing how it was gonna hurt him to get his 37 million.

Because saying Franklin was money hungry/greedy was the basis for their whole argument so they're sticking with that. There's a SNOWFALL discussion group on Facebook and somehow they came up with Veronique didn't get all the money she left Franklin a 100k so the fact he didn't use that 100k to start over proves he had gone insane :lol:
 
I'm getting the sense that people believe that Teddy took that $70+ mil to fight for democracy. No, I don't believe that. Teddy took that money cause he wanted it. Saint was living lovely off the dope Teddy was selling him. Saint had a girl that was down for him and a baby on the way. What did Teddy have? A failed marriage that produced a son that he hardly ever spent time with because of his dedication to the job. I believe he felt a certain way about that and took the money in order to create a similar life with his old fling. Good old fashion greed, plain and simple. His current girlfriend to him he should give Saint the money back. His ex-wife said the same thing. Saint should have never trusted Teddy. He also should not have put his money in Puerto Rico cause it's too easy for the Gov. to get their hands on it.. Swiss bank account was the move he missed and it cost him. As they say in chess, Saint got mated on the board.
teddy told franklin the truth when he was tied up. he took because he "felt" he deserved it and not franklin. franklin made most of that money when teddy was kicked out the agency. he hated that the operation was flourishing with the other dude as franklin's handler. once he seen how much saint made he wasn't feeling that. tried to control him like the agency controlled him.
 
If you re-watch season 4, episode 1.. there is a lot of things to notice, again.

1. How happy Cissy was when Alton was around compared to the last 2 seasons in comparison to how miserable of a cunt she became
2. How peaches was looking extra bummy and a bit nervous looking at the addicts when they were walking in the courtyard. The camera man focused on his reactions.
3. How Leon was scared Frankin was gonna kill him and how Leon drew a gun on Franklin

Lots more to notice
 
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Teddy was gone. They weren't tripping after they got the kgb agent
Everything wrapped in a bow


Franklin with money didn't mean anything to them and their games all he was gonna do is own some "ghetto" property as far as they're concerned



Noooooo!! Not the case. Remember your history. The entire Iran-Contra scenario was already playing out in the NATIONAL media at the time and the official SCANDAL dropped the very next year INTERNATIONALLY in 1987!! Worldwide attention on the CIA, the (Nicaraguan) Contras. All those guns all those drugs!! That shit had EVERYBODY'S business on front street. Little ole Drug Kingpin Franklin Saint would have made a VERY good witness (if he hadn't lost his mind). So would Alton. ESPECIALLY him since he was already a highly controversial political figure. Hell, Cissy might have gotten out of prison too. Since Teddy would now officially be classified as a ROGUE agent and killing him could have been argued as self defense. Don't forget all the BODIES Teddy already had. CIA had to answer for all that shit in 87
 
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