Official STAR WARS:THE FORCE AWAKENS discussion thread
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man....even when Vader was "recruiting" Luke he was swinging the light saber with bad intentions.
the books and expanded universe are no longer canon as far as I know..and the OT does not mention it. If thats true then it would be ridiculous for them to continue using it whether they mention it in the films or not.
Okay,lets get into the Force and being a Jedi for a second. In episode 4 this is what Obi-Wan Kenobi had to say about it:
"The Force is what gives a Jedi his power. It's an energy field created by all living things. It surrounds us and penetrates us. It binds the galaxy together."
That was said in 1977. That explanation is open to all kinds of interpretation . I was a kid when I saw it and the only thing I could relate that to was martial arts and spirituality. The Force was God or the Holy Spirit if you will. And since the Holy Spirit is available to all and flows through all (if you're inclined to believe that) then anyone can access it. All you had to do was just learn how to.
I equated learning to use the Force with learning martial arts or a musical instrument. Anyone can learn how to play a guitar or piano but there's only one Jimi Hendrix or Mozart. There will always be talented and gifted individuals whose skill is on a completely different level but anyone can wield a light saber or levitate stuff or do a force push IF they dedicated themselves enough. In 1999, George Lucas destroyed all of that with one word..midi-chlorian. Now you need a certain level of bacteria in your blood or something in order to be able to use the force. When I heard that word, my 10 year old inner child, the kid who watched episode 4 and was enrapt, said "Does that mean I can't be a Jedi?" And adult me looked down and had to reply, "I think so...it means you have limited potential."
which is what Lucas told a whole generation who fell in love with his creation. Thats why people hate the prequels among other things.JJ Abrams and anyone else would do well to steer clear of that for this trilogy.
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Fuck YEA! LOL...dude talking about he want me to work on Hidden Colors. Shit I'm down...
call up, drayonis.
You see I took the challenge right?
Naw but I've talked to Tariq before, he knows who I am mildly.
Interesting, but she got generational force blood, so that would only leave Leia as the mother.
On the real, that "unnecessary" part of the story played out like some low key, CaC-only Jim Crow water fountain bs.
And Everyone is saying that it is unrealistic for Rei to develop all those powers so quickly, but I think the fight she had with the droid thieves hinted that she had received some type of training at some point in her life. What other purpose did that scene serve?
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the books and expanded universe are no longer canon as far as I know..and the OT does not mention it. If thats true then it would be ridiculous for them to continue using it whether they mention it in the films or not.
Okay,lets get into the Force and being a Jedi for a second. In episode 4 this is what Obi-Wan Kenobi had to say about it:
"The Force is what gives a Jedi his power. It's an energy field created by all living things. It surrounds us and penetrates us. It binds the galaxy together."
That was said in 1977. That explanation is open to all kinds of interpretation . I was a kid when I saw it and the only thing I could relate that to was martial arts and spirituality. The Force was God or the Holy Spirit if you will. And since the Holy Spirit is available to all and flows through all (if you're inclined to believe that) then anyone can access it. All you had to do was just learn how to.
I equated learning to use the Force with learning martial arts or a musical instrument. Anyone can learn how to play a guitar or piano but there's only one Jimi Hendrix or Mozart. There will always be talented and gifted individuals whose skill is on a completely different level but anyone can wield a light saber or levitate stuff or do a force push IF they dedicated themselves enough. In 1999, George Lucas destroyed all of that with one word..midi-chlorian. Now you need a certain level of bacteria in your blood or something in order to be able to use the force. When I heard that word, my 10 year old inner child, the kid who watched episode 4 and was enrapt, said "Does that mean I can't be a Jedi?" And adult me looked down and had to reply, "I don't think...it means you have limited potential."
JJ Abrams and anyone else would do well to steer clear of that for this trilogy.
Yeah,when Disney acquired Star Wars they basically said the EU and the books/comics that was out around that time doesn't count...They only thing that was canon was Star Wars:The Clone Wars,Rebels and the books and comics that came out after the acquisition
Fuck YEA! LOL...dude talking about he want me to work on Hidden Colors. Shit I'm down...
I wasn't paying attention to the live stream,until you brought up your comic...It would be dope,if you can do some work for Hidden Colors
I don't think she is a sky walker. Ain't No way u having kids and nobody knows about them.
Unless in Star Wars it only takes a week to have a baby or some shit
that she's brave or has a sense of nobleness to stick up for the helpless..that she wanted the droid for herself...that in a harsh world you have to know how to fight to survive..it could have illustrated a dozen other things other than she had youngling training as a child.
same thing with finn...regardless of his position and rank he's still a trained soldier meaning he has some of kind of basic training with hand weapons and hand to hand combat.
I was just saying that would be an interesting plot twist but I don't think she is a Sky either.
Nigga was breathing hard and sweating throughout the whole movie.
So was she. She was running most of the movie as well.
It was already obvious that the girl knew how to take care of herself. It was clear that she was living alone in a predatory climate. She was used to dealing with aliens like the exchange owner to live. But I for one did not expect her to dominate the thieves. It became clear at that point that her skills were advanced. Not that she was some type of noble crusader. She already proved that when she took in the droid.
Man every promo/trailer that nigga was in was on some rehashed runaway slave bs. Wet face, mouth open, breathing hard. This shit ain't new. Just low key now.
Cosign
Now I see why the Empire needed to use clones.
The Republic aka the Resistance destroyed this in ANH....
Destroyed this in ROTJ......
and destroyed this in TFA....
How many troops and gear does the Empire keep losing movie after movie?
How so? In the movie Luke and his sister were made in secret. I think she's Skywalker's kid. Hidden on sand planet like he was to keep her safe.
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but heres the thing and this is another point of disappointment...
Anyone else notice this was the first Star Wars where there was barely any stars?? I mean the majority of the battles took place in the skies of a planet rather than space. Talk about harkening back to the old series that was one of the biggest draws..the SPACE battles. No one ever saw spaceships dog fighting like that ever. In this flick they may as well have been airplanes because thats how abrams treated them for the most part.
Also the down side of rebooting ANH was that there was edge of your seat action with the war itself.
I don't know how it was for people new to the stories but TFA didn't really have too many exciting war moments. For all the harkening back to how the OT FELT..in the OT there were REAL exciting moments..
In ANH, the Battle of Yavin, we see X-Wings and TIE fighters going at it in the trenches of the Death Star...we were witnessing literal trench warfare IN SPACE! The action was dynamic and fast paced and original.
In ROTJ, the Battle of Endor, they kicked it up 10 notches by getting claustrophobic by going IN the motherfucking Death Star!! The action here was dynamic, fast paced and original
In TFA they just flew around the skies of Death Star 3.0 waiting for the shields to go down so they can drop enough bombs to make it explode..and while it was action and fast paced..it wasn't really dynamic and certainly NOT original by this time.
In the planning of the assault there was something missing...
In ANH the breifing to assault the Death Star was tension filled as this was unprecedented and no one there knew how it was going to go.
In ROTJ its the same plan of assault but this time ITS A TRAP! and the empire is willingly allowing the rebels to assault the base so they can wipe them out!
In TFA the planning for the assault is almost played for laughs. This is supposed to be the penultimate moment of the story where tensions should be high but instead all of that is undercut by the lax attitude of Han and the ease in which they do everything.
It was almost as if JJ Abrams could care less about the war side of the story in favor of focusing on the jedi side of the story. As I said in an eariler post the OT had a better balance of Jedi side and Rebel/Empire conflict side and the two ran parallel more than being intertwined. Case in point in ROTJ once the shields were down the Death Star was vulnerble so even if the emperor wasn't killed by vader he would have been blown up in any case so it didn't matter..they were playing for keeps and luke would have been a casualty. None of that has anything to do with the Jedi/Sith conflict.
So for TFA to put so much emphasis on finding luke to help save the galaxy is kind like huh???
more like how many fuckin times are they going to rehash the same strategy??Now I see why the Empire needed to use clones.
The Republic aka the Resistance destroyed this in ANH....
Destroyed this in ROTJ......
and destroyed this in TFA....
How many troops and gear does the Empire keep losing movie after movie?
but heres the thing and this is another point of disappointment...
Anyone else notice this was the first Star Wars where there was barely any stars?? I mean the majority of the battles took place in the skies of a planet rather than space. Talk about harkening back to the old series that was one of the biggest draws..the SPACE battles. No one ever saw spaceships dog fighting like that ever. In this flick they may as well have been airplanes because thats how abrams treated them for the most part.
Also the down side of rebooting ANH was that there was edge of your seat action with the war itself.
I don't know how it was for people new to the stories but TFA didn't really have too many exciting war moments. For all the harkening back to how the OT FELT..in the OT there were REAL exciting moments..
In ANH, the Battle of Yavin, we see X-Wings and TIE fighters going at it in the trenches of the Death Star...we were witnessing literal trench warfare IN SPACE! The action was dynamic and fast paced and original.
In ROTJ, the Battle of Endor, they kicked it up 10 notches by getting claustrophobic by going IN the motherfucking Death Star!! The action here was dynamic, fast paced and original
In TFA they just flew around the skies of Death Star 3.0 waiting for the shields to go down so they can drop enough bombs to make it explode..and while it was action and fast paced..it wasn't really dynamic and certainly NOT original by this time.
In the planning of the assault there was something missing...
In ANH the breifing to assault the Death Star was tension filled as this was unprecedented and no one there knew how it was going to go.
In ROTJ its the same plan of assault but this time ITS A TRAP! and the empire is willingly allowing the rebels to assault the base so they can wipe them out!
In TFA the planning for the assault is almost played for laughs. This is supposed to be the penultimate moment of the story where tensions should be high but instead all of that is undercut by the lax attitude of Han and the ease in which they do everything.
It was almost as if JJ Abrams could care less about the war side of the story in favor of focusing on the jedi side of the story. As I said in an eariler post the OT had a better balance of Jedi side and Rebel/Empire conflict side and the two ran parallel more than being intertwined. Case in point in ROTJ once the shields were down the Death Star was vulnerble so even if the emperor wasn't killed by vader he would have been blown up in any case so it didn't matter..they were playing for keeps and luke would have been a casualty. None of that has anything to do with the Jedi/Sith conflict.
So for TFA to put so much emphasis on finding luke to help save the galaxy is kind like huh???
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I think the sweating was alluding to his nerves and the sense that he did not belong there. Once he settled down and accepted his role then it all stopped.
For the first two thirds of the movie they were both running. She was sweating too on Jakku, but she is white. It doesn't show as much on film.
Basically, they were running away from their destiny and Finn accepted his before she accepted hers. Her capture by the 1st order is the turning point for him.
I think our culture has warped us so much that the first thing many of us thought about is that he is a runaway slave. If he were white then no one would think anything of it.
Finn (John Boyega) was great in the film,got alot of screen time How many characters thanked him in the film over
and over again...he had fear but in these films there is always a greater calling that brings you back to the fight
I truly believe Rey is Luke's daughter she is so strong with the force ,the lightsaber calling to her,able to take on
her cousin Kylo Ren,how great was that scene when he said he could teach her? Or when he attempted to read her mind?
The lightsaber coming to her instead of her cousin
Look at the the similarities Han offering her a job,the same he did with Luke in a New Hope
I wasnt shocked by Solo's death because it has been talked about since the mid 80's but i was shocked by how it happened
What happened to the Knights of Ren? Did Luke destroy them and spare his nephew before going into self exile?
How was Ben Solo/Kylo Ren seduced by the dark side? At what age?
and over again...he had fear but in these films there is always a greater calling that brings you back to the fight
I truly believe Rey is Luke's daughter she is so strong with the force ,the lightsaber calling to her,able to take on
her cousin Kylo Ren,how great was that scene when he said he could teach her? Or when he attempted to read her mind?
The lightsaber coming to her instead of her cousin
Look at the the similarities Han offering her a job,the same he did with Luke in a New Hope
I wasnt shocked by Solo's death because it has been talked about since the mid 80's but i was shocked by how it happened
What happened to the Knights of Ren? Did Luke destroy them and spare his nephew before going into self exile?
How was Ben Solo/Kylo Ren seduced by the dark side? At what age?
Palpatine killed Darth Plageius, he said so himself in Episode III, and
it is also detailed in a book. Hego Damask, or Darth Plagueis, schemed
with Palpatine for Palpatine become chancellor, and on the day this
happened, the two held a celebration in Palpatine's chambers, where
Palpatine fed Damask with more liquor than he could hold, and then
killed him....
it is also detailed in a book. Hego Damask, or Darth Plagueis, schemed
with Palpatine for Palpatine become chancellor, and on the day this
happened, the two held a celebration in Palpatine's chambers, where
Palpatine fed Damask with more liquor than he could hold, and then
killed him....
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Its more of a waqy of cutting yorself off from the light side of the force which is his entire family.
Darth Plagueis
Biographical information
Homeworld
Mygeeto[1]
Born
Between 147 and 120 BBY,[2] Mygeeto[1]
Died
32 BBY (3:4), Coruscant, killed by Darth Sidious[1]
Physical description
Species
Muun[3]
Gender
Male[4]
Hair color
None[1]
Eye color
Yellow[1]
Skin color
Pale[1]
Cybernetics
Transpirator mask (52–32 BBY)[1]
Chronological and political information
Era(s)
Rise of the Empire era[3]
Affiliation(s)
- Order of the Sith Lords(As Darth Plagueis)[4]
- Damask Holdings (As Hego Damask II)[1]
- InterGalactic Banking Clan (As Hego Damask II)[1]
- Hutt Cartel (As Hego Damask II)[1]
- Galactic Republic (As Hego Damask II)[1]
- Galactic Senate (As Hego Damask II)[1]
- Republic Reserve Administration (As Hego Damask II)[1]
Darth Tenebrous[1]
Apprentices
Darth Sidious[1]
[Source]
"Darth Plagueis was a Dark Lord of the Sith so powerful and so
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Okay Im a lil Lost...I thought all the Storm Troopers were clones of Bobo Fette.....
The only way that Snoke can be Darth Plagueis is by Plagueis resurrecting himself
from the dead. While master of Palpatine, Plagueis studied and acquired the ability
to kill and resurrect beings, by manipulating mid-chlorians. So if he somehow
resurrected himself from the dead, he might be Snoke. Also, Plagueis was
a extremely rich man, who expanded from the Muun banking expertise into
other industries, by swindling, and destroying rivals...The extent of his
wealth would enable him to finance the 1st Order as he had the scheming of
Palpatine before.
from the dead. While master of Palpatine, Plagueis studied and acquired the ability
to kill and resurrect beings, by manipulating mid-chlorians. So if he somehow
resurrected himself from the dead, he might be Snoke. Also, Plagueis was
a extremely rich man, who expanded from the Muun banking expertise into
other industries, by swindling, and destroying rivals...The extent of his
wealth would enable him to finance the 1st Order as he had the scheming of
Palpatine before.
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Originally yes, and they were cloned on the watery planet of Kamino.
In the year BBY12 (12 years Before the Battle of Yarvin), or 20 years
after the anscension of Palpatine to the chancellorship, there was
rebellion on Kamino that destroyed the cloning facilities. In the
latter years, storm trooper were stolen, kidnapped from everywhere,
which accounted for FM2187 or Fin being a storm trooper...I wonder
if there was a Nigeria then, because that is where the Empire would
have found the parents of John Boyega
*BBY refers to the Battle of the moon Yarvin, which housed the
shield generator to the second death star that was destroyed by
Lando Calrissian, as Luke was defeating Darth Vader- his father,
and Palpatine was being thrown in to the reactor of the death star.
...It is very much a seminal reference point like BC (before Christ)
is for Christians.
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Who did he have a baby with?
How did leia not know she looking at her Neice?
She might be a kanobi or a Jin
She got strong force
You k ow how Kylo was being pulled by the light side....I bet Episode VIII has a twist, where its revealed he's being pulled to the light side by Anakin himself, since he's always going full Hamlet with Vader's mask. That might set Ren off to go full Sith and completely lose himself to the Dark side.
Leia knew....the look she gave Rey before she left was telling. She wanted Rey to find out her lineage herself.
Who was that evil man that grabbed Rey when that ship left and said "come on" in a creepy droid voice.
Kylo Ren knew something also. He told his troops "she doesn't know but the longer she is living she is getting stronger" or something like that.
Ima check it out again
Which part?
In Rey vision when she was a little girl and said come back to that ship that flew off.
Some voice said "come on girl"
She might have lost her memory or something
And Kylo Ren prolly read her mind and figured out who she really is.
He was scared shitless when he found out.
Ah her vision, I dunno. Pretty sure we'll learn in the next film. It could have been Max Von Sydows character that was killed by Kylo Ren in the beginning.
I bet Luke used some force amnesia trick on her to keep her protected.
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