Martinez targets Pacman, Floyd

In a sense yes - he's coming down AND putting his titles on the line. He's a small middleweight who started at 147, if he can still compete at 154, so be it. I mean cats would have been heaping praise on Williams for dropping down to 147 and beating...say, Floyd. Why not Sergio when he's smaller than Williams? I can see him knocking Manny's ass out, Manny jumps in and throws a lot of wild shots and leaves himself wide open for counters. It would be a much tougher fight for Sergio with Floyd but I can see him getting a narrow points victory there too. He's a southpaw, skilled, very mobile, good footwork, quick hands, and has one punch ko power. The only viable fights for Martinez are at 154-160. 168 is a big stretch like middleweight is for Floyd, even at a catchweight.


This shit gets on my Nerve..why aint this mofo calling out ANYONE from the Super SIX Tournament? they are 160 plus? Hell that dude Froch might even whoop his ass..he's closer to THOSE fights in weight than he is to Pacman. Manny went UP in weight to kick ass and you know why? Cuz he aint a Bitch ass figher only looking to make the fastest BIG PAYDAY. There's Arthur Abraham OR Carl Froch (both i feel can beat Sergio or at least give him a hard fight) and a few others out there i haven't mentioned.
 
Sergio sounds very willing to drop weight to fight @ 154. Then he could fight at 147. Manny keeps creating new weight classes running from competition somebodies gotta catch him at one of them.



You so quick to say Manny RUNNING from compitition..if MANNY is running the what da FUCK is FLOYD doing? that mofo been running for soo long it's sickning. Talk about HIM fighting to fights you want Manny to fight for a gawd damn Change.
 
How the fuck can Sergio be number 1 in boxing? what are you smoking? He knocked out williams on a night WILLIAMS got sloppy..now im not saying if they fought the rubber match that williams is a sure WIN but C'mon people it's ONE WIN EACH...i wanna see WHO wins the rubber match..who knows maybe williams KO's THIS mofo next time..

Who said Sergio is number one in the world you non-reading muthafucka. I didnt.

Williams arguably lost the first fight and then he got KOd. No need to see another fight now. I would rather those two fight someone else and maybe meet again in the future depending on how PW performs in his next fights.
 
Who said Sergio is number one in the world you non-reading muthafucka. I didnt.

Williams arguably lost the first fight and then he got KOd. No need to see another fight now. I would rather those two fight someone else and maybe meet again in the future depending on how PW performs in his next fights.
What did you mean when you said


Yes, i know he has a lost. [But I think sergio is the number boxing in the world.] i read what i thought you were trying to say unless when you said "sergio is the number boxing in the world" was a TYPO...or is your English that fucked up? who talks like that? was that an incomplete sentence or what? I know my grammar isn't the best but geez dude.:hmm:
 
What did you mean when you said


Yes, i know he has a lost. [But I think sergio is the number boxing in the world.] i read what i thought you were trying to say unless when you said "sergio is the number boxing in the world" was a TYPO...or is your English that fucked up? who talks like that? was that an incomplete sentence or what? I know my grammar isn't the best but geez dude.:hmm:

I didnt write that you non-reading muthafucka.

The OP did.

Yes, i know he has a lost. But I think sergio is the number boxing in the world. Him versus manny would be insane. Both guys like to attack and that makes for entertaining fights. Granted i know that is frowned on around here, but matchups like this are rare. I hope they make this fight. I think it is an awesome fight. I expect manny to lose, butit would be dope. .
 
You so quick to say Manny RUNNING from compitition..if MANNY is running the what da FUCK is FLOYD doing? that mofo been running for soo long it's sickning. Talk about HIM fighting to fights you want Manny to fight for a gawd damn Change.

First he ran from JMM and he may not be running from Floyd but he is running from that drug testing.
 
This shit gets on my Nerve..why aint this mofo calling out ANYONE from the Super SIX Tournament? they are 160 plus? Hell that dude Froch might even whoop his ass..he's closer to THOSE fights in weight than he is to Pacman. Manny went UP in weight to kick ass and you know why? Cuz he aint a Bitch ass figher only looking to make the fastest BIG PAYDAY. There's Arthur Abraham OR Carl Froch (both i feel can beat Sergio or at least give him a hard fight) and a few others out there i haven't mentioned.

He moved up to fight a bummy cheater (at a catch weight) that had very little options and works for the same promoter. Arum wanted an easy payday so why not give his main fighter a big punching bag.
 
How the fuck can Sergio be number 1 in boxing? what are you smoking? He knocked out williams on a night WILLIAMS got sloppy..now im not saying if they fought the rubber match that williams is a sure WIN but C'mon people it's ONE WIN EACH...i wanna see WHO wins the rubber match..who knows maybe williams KO's THIS mofo next time..

Wow... delusional. I like Williams but dude has been looking real sloppy for a while.
 
It would be a much tougher fight for Sergio with Floyd but I can see him getting a narrow points victory there too. He's a southpaw, skilled, very mobile, good footwork, quick hands, and has one punch ko power. The only viable fights for Martinez are at 154-160. 168 is a big stretch like middleweight is for Floyd, even at a catchweight.

I think a Sergio-Floyd fight would be a lot closer than a Sergio-Manny fight but I dispute the idea that Sergio has one punch ko power, at least anymore than any other fighter at 154/160. I know, I know, he just dropped a usually ironchinned Paul Williams but Williams has two recent 1st rd kos and nobody thinks of him as having one punch ko power. He caught Paul at the right time and got him out.

Manny does create weight classes, lmao. Damn you guys are funny. The stuff people make up and believe. 154 is doable, but manny still will come in under 150.

How do you say this and then say...

Pbf would. He was close to that against jmm and his fight against oscar.

this? There was no unofficial weigh in the night of the JMM fight and he only weighed 150 for the DLH fight and said he weighed 148 after the fight was over. Even more so than Shane, Floyd tops out at roughly 147 to 150, he's not fighting the middleweight champion.

Yup and he's lucky Erik Morales wasn't in his prime still or he would have lost twice to him and seen no 3rd fight.

Fuck fighting Erik at his prime, go up to lightweight and fight him like Zahir Raheem did and see if he wins that second fight. I'm doubting it.


I think that fight would NOT interest me for style matchup reasons...for that matter i'd rather see him fight Shane Mosley. I can't STAND when people always run to throw in a BIGGER TALLER fighter with a little fighter...then that little fighter has to punch UP all night making it harder to keep up the pace. Punching up tiers a fighter..Match Sergio with a fighter closer to his size..someone at LEAST his weight...none of that i'll come down to your weight BS. I'd rather see Pacman fight smaller fighters so he gets back to KO'ing MoFo na mean.

If Shane has one more good performance in him, his best bet is to fight Sergio Martinez. I got Sergio but that's a better fight than either of them trying to fight Floyd or Manny with a bunch of stips added on.


He moved up to fight a bummy cheater (at a catch weight) that had very little options and works for the same promoter. Arum wanted an easy payday so why not give his main fighter a big punching bag.

And he wanted to cash out on Margarito before someone else beat him up and destroyed all vestiges of his drawing ability. The fact that he drew fewer fans for a fight with a Mexican "star" in Dallas than he did with Clottey is telling and mean Arum made the right move.

Wow... delusional. I like Williams but dude has been looking real sloppy for a while.


PW's my boy but his vulnerabilities caught up to him. He should work on his weaknesses and get some more fights and wins under hsi belt and build back up to a 3rd Martinez fight. Fortunately, the jr. middleweight division is rife with diverse and good (or at least notable) opponents for him.
 
Is Manny ever going to give JMM the third fight? If he won't fight Floyd at least give me that shit. I thought Marquez got him both times and the way that whole shit was handled left me with a lot of unanswered questions.

There is no reason for them to fight. JMM had two chances to get a win. There is no fighting that would consider giving a guy a third fight to beat him. Unless there was tons off money to make.
 
I have no interest in seeing Mosley fight after that Mora bullshit. Pac is better off fighting Marquez to close that chapter.

To bring it back to the main topic I would like to see Collazo v Martinez. I know Cotto is the next big fight for him but Cotto don't want it yet and Collazo is still hungry. I think a real slickster could show the versatility of Martinez and I think Collazo's style might make it a tougher fight then Cotto could.

Good point. collazo is a very slick and tough dude.
 
I think a Sergio-Floyd fight would be a lot closer than a Sergio-Manny fight but I dispute the idea that Sergio has one punch ko power, at least anymore than any other fighter at 154/160. I know, I know, he just dropped a usually ironchinned Paul Williams but Williams has two recent 1st rd kos and nobody thinks of him as having one punch ko power. He caught Paul at the right time and got him out.

Yet he owns ko wins over Cintron(we know the real, he ko'd that mufucca) and Williams. Cintrons 2 ko losses to Margarito are highly suspect because a slightly better Margarito clone in Angulo couldn't hurt Kermit and Paul had never been even down until the first fight with Sergio and got put out in the 2nd fight. Some dudes grow into their power and skills later than others. I think Sergio has really come into his own right now. This is all a moot point since Manny and floyd would rather fight Williams than Sergio.
 
2001
Feb. 17 -- Guty Espadas, Las Vegas, W 12
(Captured WBC featherweight title)
July 28 -- Injin Chi, Los Angeles, California, W 12
(Retained WBC featherweight title)
2002
June 22 -- Marco Antonio Barrera, Las Vegas, L 12
Nov. 16 -- Paulie Ayala, Las Vegas, W 12
(Captured WBC featherweight title)
2003
Feb. 22 -- Eddie Croft, Mexico City, Mexico, TKO 3
(Retained WBC featherweight title)
May 3 -- Bobby Velardez, Las Vegas, TKO 5
(Retained WBC featherweight title)
Oct. 4 -- Guty Espadas, Los Angeles, California, TKO 3
2004
Feb. 28 -- Jesus Chavez, Las Vegas, Nevada, W 12
(Captured WBC super featherweight title)
July 31 -- Carlos Hernandez, Las Vegas, Nevada, W 12
(Retained WBC super featherweight title)
(Won IBF super featherweight title)
Nov. 27 -- Marco Antonio Barrera, Las Vegas, L 12
(Lost WBC super featherweight title)
2005
Mar. 19 -- Manny Pacquiao, Las Vegas, Nevada, W 12 *RECAP*
Sept. 10 -- Zahir Raheem, Los Angeles, CA, L 12 *RECAP*
2006
Jan. 21 -- Manny Pacquiao, Las Vegas, NV, TKO by 10 *RECAP*
Nov. 18 -- Manny Pacquiao, Las Vegas, NV, KO by 3 *RECAP*


If anything it shows the opposite. I always felt manny ended his career. Erik and MAB fights were a pick em and loses in that trilogy were fine. His lost to zahir was one of those things. Erik was maybe not in his prime but he wasnt at the end of his bottom part of his career.
 
Buddy, Erik couldn't make super feather anymore yet Freddie and Manny flat out refused to fight him at lightweight or anywhere in between. Erik destroyed himself physically to get down to weight in the 2 rematches and those were the results, pretty telling that Manny couldn't do it to him in the first fight or even knock him down, yet he dstroys him in the 2 subsequent fights, and then moves to lightweight? GTFOH, Freddie's been calculating that niccas shit since the jump. Barrera though, is a guy that Manny could always beat, prime or not.
 
Buddy, Erik couldn't make super feather anymore yet Freddie and Manny flat out refused to fight him at lightweight or anywhere in between. Erik destroyed himself physically to get down to weight in the 2 rematches and those were the results, pretty telling that Manny couldn't do it to him in the first fight or even knock him down, yet he dstroys him in the 2 subsequent fights, and then moves to lightweight? GTFOH, Freddie's been calculating that niccas shit since the jump. Barrera though, is a guy that Manny could always beat, prime or not.

Him not making weight has nothing do with my point his skills were not declining. But i am not disputing what you are saying about the weight.
 
Him not making weight has nothing do with my point his skills were not declining. But i am not disputing what you are saying about the weight.

You can't take the weight out of the equation. It doesn't matter what skills a fighter has if he can't mentally/physically pull the trigger.
 
Yet he owns ko wins over Cintron(we know the real, he ko'd that mufucca) and Williams. Cintrons 2 ko losses to Margarito are highly suspect because a slightly better Margarito clone in Angulo couldn't hurt Kermit and Paul had never been even down until the first fight with Sergio and got put out in the 2nd fight. Some dudes grow into their power and skills later than others. I think Sergio has really come into his own right now. This is all a moot point since Manny and floyd would rather fight Williams than Sergio.

I still don't see either of them fighting Williams, even now. There's even less money in it than before. Between the two I think Floyd is the worse match up for Williams and he should have fought him before he moved up but Williams didn't put himself in position for that big money fight by losing to Quintana just as he was the hottest guy in the sport.
 
I still don't see either of them fighting Williams, even now. There's even less money in it than before. Between the two I think Floyd is the worse match up for Williams and he should have fought him before he moved up but Williams didn't put himself in position for that big money fight by losing to Quintana just as he was the hottest guy in the sport.

This is true. Then Floyd probably won't fight anyone unless it's Manny.
 
This is true. Then Floyd probably won't fight anyone unless it's Manny.

That's why I'm surprised that guys like Berto aren't being more aggressive in making higher profile fights to be in position that this fight, for whatever reason, doesn't come off.
I still have a hard time believing Floyd and Manny (and all parties involved) will walk away from the biggest payday in the history of the business.
 
I think a Sergio-Floyd fight would be a lot closer than a Sergio-Manny fight but I dispute the idea that Sergio has one punch ko power, at least anymore than any other fighter at 154/160. I know, I know, he just dropped a usually ironchinned Paul Williams but Williams has two recent 1st rd kos and nobody thinks of him as having one punch ko power. He caught Paul at the right time and got him out.



How do you say this and then say...



this? There was no unofficial weigh in the night of the JMM fight and he only weighed 150 for the DLH fight and said he weighed 148 after the fight was over. Even more so than Shane, Floyd tops out at roughly 147 to 150, he's not fighting the middleweight champion.



Fuck fighting Erik at his prime, go up to lightweight and fight him like Zahir Raheem did and see if he wins that second fight. I'm doubting it.




If Shane has one more good performance in him, his best bet is to fight Sergio Martinez. I got Sergio but that's a better fight than either of them trying to fight Floyd or Manny with a bunch of stips added on.




And he wanted to cash out on Margarito before someone else beat him up and destroyed all vestiges of his drawing ability. The fact that he drew fewer fans for a fight with a Mexican "star" in Dallas than he did with Clottey is telling and mean Arum made the right move.




PW's my boy but his vulnerabilities caught up to him. He should work on his weaknesses and get some more fights and wins under hsi belt and build back up to a 3rd Martinez fight. Fortunately, the jr. middleweight division is rife with diverse and good (or at least notable) opponents for him.

I C/S most of what your saying especially the part about Sergio and Shane Mosley getting it on
 
Shane is done.
Shane is FAR from his prime yes but washed up? Hell's naw..how can he be when he beat collaso or whatever the fuck his name is..yet you have people like merce77 saying he'd be a good fight cuz he's slick and tough..mosley beat him easily did he not?
 
Shane is FAR from his prime yes but washed up? Hell's naw..how can he be when he beat collaso or whatever the fuck his name is..yet you have people like merce77 saying he'd be a good fight cuz he's slick and tough..mosley beat him easily did he not?

There is no top fighter that shane can beat right now. He is only good for a name fight for now on.
 
There is no reason for them to fight. JMM had two chances to get a win. There is no fighting that would consider giving a guy a third fight to beat him. Unless there was tons off money to make.

One fight was judged as a tie. The other fight even if you gave it to Manny, you have to admit that Manny barely made it out that fight with the win. When you barely win you are suppose to go back and make it clear for people that you won. Especially if you are claiming to be the best.
 
Shane is FAR from his prime yes but washed up? Hell's naw..how can he be when he beat collaso or whatever the fuck his name is..yet you have people like merce77 saying he'd be a good fight cuz he's slick and tough..mosley beat him easily did he not?

:confused:Dude in a couple of months...that will have been 4 years ago.:lol::lol::lol:
 
There is no top fighter that shane can beat right now. He is only good for a name fight for now on.

Then why is Manny even considering fighting dude? None of the guys that Manny has fought since lightweight are as good as Marquez yet the public doesn't want to see a 3rd fight? C'mon man.
 
Nice article concerning Pacman/Marquez III

By Ron Borges



Who next for Manny Pacquiao?

That is the biggest question in boxing because he is the biggest name in boxing. Some might argue he is the only name in boxing. At least he is the only name capable of drawing fan interest outside of the sport’s tight inner circle of faithful fanatics and aficionados.

While boxing is on the rise once again around the world, no one would argue that it is what it used to be in the United States but Pacquiao is a phenomenon almost beyond understanding. A cult hero to Filipinos around the world, he has somehow managed to transcend the sport itself to become what boxing desperately needs but has little of – a personality.

In the weeks and months leading up to his one-sided victory over three-time welterweight champion Antonio Margarito, Pacquiao was profiled in such decidedly non-boxing venues as National Public Radio, The Wall Street Journal, Esquire, GQ, TIME, American Airlines flight magazine (with a trapped in an airplane audience of an estimated 3 million readers), Atlantic Monthly (ATLANTIC MONTHLY?) and on CBS’ 60 Minutes in a segment that followed one on President Barack Obama.


Because of that the world larger than boxing wants to know two things: when will he fight undefeated Floyd Mayweather, Jr. and if he’s not going to fight him who will he square off with next spring?

The prevailing assumption is that a fight with Mayweather, which would be a megabout likely to break the all-time pay-per-view record set by Mayweather and Oscar De La Hoya two years ago of 2.4 million buys, is unlikely because both Mayweather and his trainer, his uncle Roger, both are facing serious legal charges in Las Vegas that could carry with them jail terms and because there is no love lost between Mayweather and Pacquiao’s promoter, Bob Arum.
Only in a world as oddly upside down as boxing would the latter be a factor in whether or not the sport’s No. 1 event would be held but it is a real dilemma and so other names are being floated around if Mayweather remains unavailable for what is being projected as a bout that would pay each man at least $25 million.

Because of the way Pacquiao (52-3-2 38 KO) handily destroyed Margarito at a catch weight of 150 pounds, many are urging him to push his body even farther and challenge middleweight champion Sergio Martinez, who just knocked out Paul Williams with one punch a week ago.
That, to me, is absurd. There are weight limits in boxing for a reason. Pacquiao, who began his career fighting at 106 pounds and has since won legitimate world title all the way up to 147 pounds (the super welterweight title the WBC awarded him for defeating Margarito was, in fact, not at the 154-pound limit and hence a charade not a championship.

If Pacquiao and trainer Freddie Roach felt the need to limit Margarito to 150 pounds why would they agree to face the 160-pound champion? It would make no sense and frankly be foolhardy, especially when one considers the fact Pacquiao admitted to having his share of difficulties with Margarito’s strength at a weight 10 pounds below the middleweight limit.

While many may call for such a fight they will not be the onest having to take the punches or the one trying to do enough damage to win against a man better able simply by size to absorb the punishment Pacquiao tends to deal out.

Arum at first tried to sell the idea of a rematch with Miguel Cotto or fistic free agent Shane Mosley but both are a sham. Though still able to beat most second tier fighters, Mosley is past his prime and, as he proved in a lopsided loss to Mayweather, is no longer in the elite class of a guy like Pacquiao. As for Cotto, Pacquiao already undressed him once in an utterly one-sided victory that requires no replay.

One possibility is undefeated welterweight champion Andre Berto, although the argument against that will be that Berto is not yet a big enough draw to be even the B side of a Pacquiao fight. The only problem with that argument is he’s a bigger draw than Joshua Clottey and Pacquiao-Clottey drew 50,000 at Cowboys Stadium in Texas.

Another possibility is the winner of the Tim Bradley (26-0, 11 KO) vs. Devon Alexander (21-0, 13 KO) super lightweight unification (140 pound) fight, a match that would allow Pacquiao to drop back to a more comfortable fighting weight since he normally boxes at no higher than 145 pounds regardless of the size of his opponent.

The problem there is the same as the Berto situation in that neither Bradley or Alexander are recognizable names to anyone but the most astute boxing fan.

Which brings me to the man Pacquiao really should fight next. If a fight with Mayweather (41-0, 25 KO) is not possible the next man in line should be a fighter who has faced Pacquiao twice and many believe has not yet lost to him – Juan Manuel Marquez.

Marquez fought a draw with Pacquiao in 2004 and lost a split decision to him four years later. Both decisions were loudly protested by many who felt Marquez did enough to win both fights and in each case Pacquiao struggled against an opponent many consider one of the most highly skilled boxers in the world.

This weekend Marquez will defend his WBA and WBO lightweight (135 pound) titles from the challenge of the new Arturo Gatti – Michael Katsidis – and if he comes out of that fight victorious a fight with Pacquiao would be easily promotable. All one would need to do is show their first two fights on HBO a few times and who wouldn’t want to see a third?

Pacquiao conceded earlier this week in Manila that he is willing to face Marquez a third time despite the hell he gave him in their first two fights, oddly arguing that while he’s willing he doesn’t believe the fight would sell because “I would not watch Pacquiao vs. Marquez.’’

Would he not watch it or does he simply not want to go through a third war with the feisty Mexican?
Only Pacquiao knows the answer to that but the fact is Marquez has a style that gives him fits. He has proven able to take his best shots and get off the canvas and fight his way back into close matches with Pacquioa. He’s also shown the skill to attack him where he’s most vulnerable and has never had a problem either hitting Pacquiao or keeping up with his volume of punches.

The only real question marks are Marquez’s age (he’s 37 and has begun to show signs of slippage, even though he’s still in the top four in most pound-for-pound ratings) and the fact that Pacquiao is now a bigger man than he was when they fought at featherweight (126) and super featherweight (130).

Yet Pacquiao could make 140 pounds if he wants, having to shave off only five pounds from the weight he carried when he beat up Margarito. That would seem to be a fair compromise, Marquez having to move up five pounds from the lightweight limit and Pacquiao come down the same amount from his last fight.

Yet the fact is Pacquiao doesn’t have to do that because he is the new king of pay-per-view revenue and hence can dictate – and quite often has – whatever terms he wants. It would seem more likely he’d try to force Marquez to fight him at 145, a weight that was clearly uncomfortable for Marquez and counterproductive.

Would Juan Manuel Marquez accept a third fight with Pacquiao at 145 pounds? Probably so but if Manny Pacquiao wants to give his sport another shot in the arm he should face his old Mexican nemesis at 140 pounds. Who knows? Considering how the first two ended, they might very well be able to do it a fourth time as well, a throwback to the Golden Age of boxing in America when closely competitive guys like this faced off regularly without any dropoff in fan interest.

In the end, Manny Pacquiao will fight who he wants at whatever terms he wants but if he can’t convince Floyd Mayweather, Jr. to settle the difference between them for one of the biggest paydays in boxing history he should welcome the chance to face a man many in boxing don’t yet fully believe he’s beaten yet – Juan Manuel Marquez.
 
There is no top fighter that shane can beat right now. He is only good for a name fight for now on.

Agreed. Yet, I would like to see Pac fight Mosley just to see the beatdown. Pac is good at doing what a young fighter is supposed to do to an old fighter-beat that ass into retirement. Mayweather could have done it but we all know it's not his style or personality. It has nothing to do with his punching power.

Regarding JMM, I am interested in seeing Pac fight him because I think Pac has become a two fisted fighter and has evolved boxistically while JMM has pretty much stayed at the same level over the years. I don't think a third fight between the two would be close and I actually pick Pac to drop JMM several times much like in the first fight they had.

Also, JMM may not even get past Katsidis this weekend. JMM was life and death against Juan DIaz in their first fight even though he eventually pulled off the KO. I think JMM is as good as he's gonna get and I think he's probably going down hill. Mayweather could have pressed the issue and retired him with all of the advantages he had but again, that's not his temperament.
 
Then why is Manny even considering fighting dude? None of the guys that Manny has fought since lightweight are as good as Marquez yet the public doesn't want to see a 3rd fight? C'mon man.
Same reason pbf and Mora fought him. The same reason why he will get another shot at some title. His name and career gives a promoter something to sell. From the looks of it lots of people want to see shane fight againt. Yet, none of the people they have him matchup against would be expected to lose to him.
 
Then why is Manny even considering fighting dude? None of the guys that Manny has fought since lightweight are as good as Marquez yet the public doesn't want to see a 3rd fight? C'mon man.

All of this talk may be premature as Marquez still has to get by Katsidis this weekend. If Marquez loses, I'm not sure how attractive a 3rd fight with Pac might be. If Marquez loses a decision, I'd still like to see it but if he gets KTFO maybe not.
 
All of this talk may be premature as Marquez still has to get by Katsidis this weekend. If Marquez loses, I'm not sure how attractive a 3rd fight with Pac might be. If Marquez loses a decision, I'd still like to see it but if he gets KTFO maybe not.

Katsidis has ZERO defense and comes straight in throwing wide winging punches. He was ko'd by an ancient Casamayor for fucks sake. Marquez is a precise counterpuncher STILL at the top of his game who is most effective when people attack him. Comparing Diaz and Katsidis is horseshit as Diaz actually has some boxing skills. Marquez by ko in about the 6th or 7th round, it won't even be a close fight. BTW Manny has not evolved in 2 years. For the last 2 years he's been fighting guys that make it look that way, he was fighting way better comp at the lighter weights which is why he didn't look like a world beater then. Manny still makes a slew of mistakes, the same mistakes MArquez will expose yet again. A 3rd fight with them would look basically the same, with Marquez getting the short end of the stick because Manny is Manny.
 
One fight was judged as a tie. The other fight even if you gave it to Manny, you have to admit that Manny barely made it out that fight with the win. When you barely win you are suppose to go back and make it clear for people that you won. Especially if you are claiming to be the best.

Doesnt matter that manny barely won. He won that last fight. Lol, he is supposed to go back and fight jmm because the fight was close. Did pbf go back and fight oscar? Did calzaghe fight bhop? Did oscar fight sweet pea? Come on dude. JMM lost and he had his chance. JMM looked like shit against pbf. And he probably will lose his next fight. Move to a fight like the one in the opening post. Forget this JMM talk.
 
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