Cam'ron Explains where things went wrong with Jim Jones on Instagram Live + Max B, Chrissy, Jay Z

[tallblacknyc]

GUnit didnt start out under aftermath. In fact, Aftermath may mark the END of Gunit as a movement now that I think about it.

Agreed. Definitely a movement. G Unit had the world buzzing w/ those mixtapes.

Gucci influenced Atlanta hiphop more than Jermaine Dupri ever did. Yall gonna have to sell this soso def movement to me better. I'm not from there so I won't front like I know.

yeah..like cam said they was the pioneers of the mixtape movement, g-unit also benefitted hugely off the mixtape movement... some people don't understand nigs were buying mixtapes like they was albulms at 1 point and groups were making serious money off of it..so much that lets juss say the feds was watching..that quietly slow down the mixtape movement especially dipsets

 

[Amajorfucup]

Come on man you know they movement wasn't shit man. Jd had a good run but I don't know about the whole brand.

Atlanta is their movement you dam fool!!! What was the first national act out of Atlanta? I'll wait...

ya dude is using the word 'movement' very liberally in a few instances

No. You're being obtuse.

Bad Boy? Death Row? Dre? SoSo? NWA? HitSquad? Roc? these are labelmates groups and clicks - thats like claiming Violator is same as Wu

Those wernt movements?? Yea, like i said... you have zero credibility.. Just lurk this one out famo.

its still a label nothing more.
GUnit could have grown into a movement - it existed underground and in the streets prior to Aftermath signing 50

Wait, GUnit wasnt a movement either?? Yo, get this nigga off the stage!!

Gucci influenced Atlanta hiphop more than Jermaine Dupri ever did. Yall gonna have to sell this soso def movement to me better. I'm not from there so I won't front like I know.

You're a moron. Sincerely...

Heres a taste of the cultural impact of Jermaine Dupree DIRECTLY...
Kriss Kross, Bow Wow, Brat, Usher, Jagged Edge, Xscape, BoneCrusher, YoungBloodz, Snap Music..

So So Def movement produced frist female emmcee platinum artist, first hip=hop/r&b diamond artist, put the current heart of Hip Hop on the fucking map...And you have the fucking audacity to compare what hes done to the god father of mumble rap!!? Nigga fuck you!!

 

[tallblacknyc]

yea when gramps said eminem is a hiphop movement, it's bout time to check out.

a movement is different from just having alot of fans or being influential in a city.

but because none of us have done a great job of describing it exactly.. it's tough... we are left with a thread that goes all over the place.

the fact that some 21 yr old in japan has a dipset flag in his room that he ordered off ebay is what im talking bout when i say movement.

yeah they don't get it.. hell the closes i can even semi describe the situation better to them is tyler perry..he started in his car, got tapes out on his plays, did plays, had a cult following in the streets, eventually got so big that the industry recognized and signed him..that's pretty much a movement..cult following, influences, word of mouth, end game that contract..when talking about the music it's the group version of those

 

[LSN]

...none of us have done a great job of describing it exactly...

well by definition eminem cannot be a movement lol...

"...a group of people working together to advance their shared political, social, or artistic ideas."

 

[Chitownheadbusa]

im not done yet...but the comment about how Mase use to make old shoes look new/different got me rolling!!

"restoration wasnt out then. I dont know what type of toothbrush this nigga had!"




Edit:

first time hearing him say what he was somewhat doing in Chicago.

 

[Amajorfucup]

ya the conversation is about to be all over the place now...dungeon family is a "movement"...other dude said eminem is a one man "movement"

yea when gramps said eminem is a hiphop movement, it's bout time to check out.

Hey assholes, my initial list had Em, Dre, 50 grouped under one umbrella. If you dont consider the collection or any part of the camp a "movement" then fuck off... YOU ho's were reluctant to take the L and started splitting hairs so i obliged.. That shits on YOU..

 

[LSN]

"restoration wasnt out then. I dont know what type of toothbrush this nigga had!"

 

[Amajorfucup]

im not done yet...but the comment about how Mase use to make old shoes look new/different got me rolling!!

"restoration wasnt out then. I dont know what type of toothbrush this nigga had!"

Foh bro... we been hijacked this shit.. We talking movements.. catch up or stab out.. The choice is yours.

 

[thundercat]

Listened to the entire thing. Wasn't the biggest fan of The Diplomats, but Cam tells great stories.

 

[LSN]

...my initial list had Em, Dre, 50 grouped under one umbrella. If you dont consider the collection or any part of the camp a "movement" then fuck off...

...you'd have to add Eminem as he was a movement in and of himself...

now you're just looking to argue for the sake of it...completely fucking up the discussion smh...you had some great points...it's you tho who are being "obtuse" and tryna to force/consolidate label mates/label heads as being "movements"

 

[Amajorfucup]

zzzz gramps...
a movement this does not make.

You're a moron..

But lets not lose sight of the original idiotic point that started the discussion... "Dipset is top 5 movement".. You can dissect all the lists in the world and it wont make that shit possible...

You sir, should kill yourself..

 

[Day_Carver]

ya the conversation is about to be all over the place now...dungeon family is a "movement"...other dude said eminem is a one man "movement"

Im not saying dungeon family was or was not a movement; im just trying to get clarification on what cats are saying movements are; also I was trying to get clarification on who and/or what are we listing as movements; I think there have been a lot of "movements" in hip hop; but I think for this conversation, Im looking for clarity so that why I can better understand what bro was talking about....

 

[Amajorfucup]

now you're just looking to argue for the sake of it...completely fucking up the discussion smh...you had some great points...it's you tho who are being "obtuse" and tryna to force/consolidate label mates/label heads as being "movements"

That was a response to you questioning the validity of Dre/Aftermath.. I provided a list of his contributions which included Em. But again, Initially it was one line including them all. Period.

So if you dont like or agree with Em being singled out... replace with G Unit. List the same size.

 

[LSN]

zzzz gramps...
a movement this does not make.

he has something w/ so so def...I'll give him that...but you can't recognize so so def sincerely and be completely dismissive of dipset...that's disingenuous...which was my point to mr. met...the aftermath thing is bonkers tho

 

[LSN]

So if you dont like or agree with Em being singled out... replace with G Unit.

g-unit doesn't need to replace anything...they were already mentioned/acknowledged several pages back...

...at least 2 of the list of 8 could b disputed. and he left off g unit.

 

[Amajorfucup]

he has something w/ so so def...I'll give him that...but you can't recognize so so def sincerely and be completely dismissive of dipset...that's disingenuous...which was my point to mr. met...the aftermath thing is bonkers tho

I def recognize dipset.. But Jay Electronica retarded son called them top ten all time.. Hes a moron.

g-unit doesn't need to replace anything...they were already mentioned/acknowledged several pages back...

I was talking about my list bro.

my original comment was dips = top 10 movements. i stand by it.

You can stand by a pile of shit. That dont make it a bed of roses...

I gave you a list of about 15 that were absolutely more impactful.. Even YOU only countered 3. At best Dip falls outside top dozen or so... and this is Ignoring hip hop pre 1985... Shame on you nigga.

 

[OFF-BALANCED]

This is a situation I actually want to know about

 

[ViCiouS]

Those wernt movements?? Yea, like i said... you have zero credibility.. Just lurk this one out famo.

I see you a pop fan - if its popping its a movement to you -low exposure to the culture is the only reason

Wait, GUnit wasnt a movement either?? Yo, get this nigga off the stage!!

I should have written that better - gunit was in the streets and touring with a strong base before Aftermath- they authentically were able to grow into a movement - vs - SoSo Def a label with artists groomed in a studio and started and fronted by the son of a music exec ... yeah, thats a movement
popular or hot doesn't equal a movement
"Em is a movement by himself" could only be said by a pop fan but its ok man, you are a hip pop fan - just with very little insight on hip hop

 

[ViCiouS]

he has something w/ so so def...I'll give him that...but you can't recognize so so def sincerely and be completely dismissive of dipset...that's disingenuous...which was my point to mr. met...the aftermath thing is bonkers tho

fuck that
so so def was plugged into and sponsored by the industry from day one!
every artist was packaged and groomed before anyone ever heard of them and there is no culture behind or derived from it
compare that to the culture and fight to break through that EVERY real movement incorporated and supported

 

[LSN]

fuck that
so so def was plugged into and sponsored by the industry from day one!
every artist was packaged and groomed before anyone ever heard of them and there is no culture behind or derived from it
compare that to the culture and fight to break through that EVERY real movement incorporated and supported

granted it is more fabricated...but I'd consider it a movement nonetheless

 

[8/11Streetz]

movement LOL man none of this shit is a movement its just a fucking rap collective who had their moment in the lime light. Nothing more nothing less. I hate them word "movement" lets not water it down what these niggas were was a hot group at the moment not a fucking movement.

 

[tallblacknyc]

movement LOL man none of this shit is a movement its just a fucking rap collective who had their moment in the lime light. Nothing more nothing less. I hate them word "movement" lets not water it down what these niggas were was a hot group at the moment not a fucking movement.

if you were in ny at the time u'd understand it was a movement.. the stop snitching t-shirts, some of their slang, the blood hype, dvd's, nigs rocking pink, it was a lot of block parties, events, cd's, club scene/strip club scene... truss they had influence..that's why their presence can't be denied, that's why the industry took notice cause they had ny on smash

 

[militantmidget]

mendeecees sonned jim though

talking about jim crying and running from that beef...
why do i care about any of this shit tho? i dont know...

damn.

btw cam is a great actor. no idea why he hasnt done more movies. must be getting heavy bread in some other ways.

I read online Cam got into some good real estate investments in Harlem while housing was still relatively affordable. He also owns a gas station, carwash, and some corner stores/restaurants as well.

 

[8/11Streetz]

if you were in ny at the time u'd understand it was a movement.. the stop snitching t-shirts, some of their slang, the blood hype, dvd's, nigs rocking pink, it was a lot of block parties, events, cd's, club scene/strip club scene... truss they had influence..that's why their presence can't be denied, that's why the industry took notice cause they had ny on smash

Yeah its funny you say that because i swear my NY homies use to tell me the same thing and they all was from varies boroughs and would say that DIPSET was everything back then. I remember when i was in the military and all the NY niggaz use to hang together it seem like they put all them niggaz in the same dorms it was around the peek of the dipset era and dudes literally had big ass diplomat flags in their window. Muthafuckaz had Dipset tats and rocking pink tall tee's like it was normal. I never really fucked with none of their music but i cant front like niggaz wasnt reppin. Shit this one NY nigga use to swear to us one of them niggaz was his cousin cant remember who exactly but he rep that shit hard banana tied to car antenna and all it got to the point where it was rumored around base that all them niggaz was under investigation for gang activated. I remember the higher ups was like what the fuck is a Dipset it was strange times.

i dont know whether to be proud of this or shake my head. I know we all cant be righteous but i just wish we knew how much influence have and use some of it to better our people.

 

[shaddyvillethug]

Cam'Ron was the movement

Rest of them niggas rode a wave

Max b was the only nigga who has his own entire lane.

I'd argue that Max B and Cam'Ron each deserve a slot in Top 10 movements

 

[shaddyvillethug]

Yo is this old Fart dust nigga saying dipset(Cam'Ron) wasn't top ten was so so def was?

Nigga please u old piece of dog shit


YOU ARE WRONG

I hope u die on valentines day at the senior citizens motel party u bingo only on Thursdays piece of shit

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

i don't know why anyone would want to disqualify a movement based on the fact that it turned out to be major. lol
Def Jam was a movement. Simmons didn't just get def jam he had to go underground and build it up and it became a part of life and then he parlayed it into what it is today. a movement can't be penalized because they achieved their goals.
A movement
Did they bring in a culture into music?
Did they have their own colloquials?
Did they inspire a change?
Did they control the game for a period of time?
Were they in the "Streets" to begin with and then either flame out at a point or kept it going reaching new heights?

That's a movement.

Wu-Tang is a movement
Def Jam was a movement that became bigger than life and signed OTHER movements
Roc was a movement
Dungeon Family was a movement
Luke had a movement
Death Row was a movement
Aftermath was a movement
G-Unit was a movement
No Limit was a movement
Cash Money is a movement
The Movement of NWA just came out with a 4 star movie.
Bad Boy was a movement

Now which one of these should be removed so that Dipset can get in?
Movement we can just limit it to impact- Far reaching impact that started in 1 place and extended everywhere.

 

[tallblacknyc]

i don't know why anyone would want to disqualify a movement based on the fact that it turned out to be major. lol
Def Jam was a movement. Simmons didn't just get def jam he had to go underground and build it up and it became a part of life and then he parlayed it into what it is today. a movement can't be penalized because they achieved their goals.
A movement
Did they bring in a culture into music?
Did they have their own colloquials?
Did they inspire a change?
Did they control the game for a period of time?
Were they in the "Streets" to begin with and then either flame out at a point or kept it going reaching new heights?

That's a movement.

Wu-Tang is a movement
Def Jam was a movement that became bigger than life and signed OTHER movements
Roc was a movement
Dungeon Family was a movement
Luke had a movement
Death Row was a movement
Aftermath was a movement
G-Unit was a movement
No Limit was a movement
Cash Money is a movement
The Movement of NWA just came out with a 4 star movie.
Bad Boy was a movement

Now which one of these should be removed so that Dipset can get in?
Movement we can just limit it to impact- Far reaching impact that started in 1 place and extended everywhere.

lil wayne got influenced by that movement and his name and presence got bigger dealing with dipset and that helps pushes cash money movement even further..so technically their movement spawn and impacted other entities..i keep saying jim jones was 1 of the pioneers of love and hip hop now how many yrs has that series been on, didn't that spawn spin offs, sex tapes, etc.. paid in full is part of the hood/drug dealer movie classics...that whole koch situation spawn certain big names to move to independant/smaller record labels, their whole mixtape movement, spawn others like g-unit to go the full underground route and get pushed bigtime to the point of majors taking a look at people..even to this day lot of ny cats try to use the street wave to get put on.. max b is part of the dipset spinoff which ended up pushing french montana and the cokeboys and his coke dvd's...lot of shit spun off of dipset quiet as kept..plus as many have said their presence played a lil bit into the roc seperation which for the music is big...love them or hate them u got to respect the impact they played in the game than and now... if u wanna keep it a lil funky dave east is actually inspired by them also

 

[tallblacknyc]

Yeah its funny you say that because i swear my NY homies use to tell me the same thing and they all was from varies boroughs and would say that DIPSET was everything back then. I remember when i was in the military and all the NY niggaz use to hang together it seem like they put all them niggaz in the same dorms it was around the peek of the dipset era and dudes literally had big ass diplomat flags in their window. Muthafuckaz had Dipset tats and rocking pink tall tee's like it was normal. I never really fucked with none of their music but i cant front like niggaz wasnt reppin. Shit this one NY nigga use to swear to us one of them niggaz was his cousin cant remember who exactly but he rep that shit hard banana tied to car antenna and all it got to the point where it was rumored around base that all them niggaz was under investigation for gang activated. I remember the higher ups was like what the fuck is a Dipset it was strange times.

i dont know whether to be proud of this or shake my head. I know we all cant be righteous but i just wish we knew how much influence have and use some of it to better our people.

yeah shit was more crazy than people kno..lets juss say i kno important parts of some of their pieces of their puzzle as well as some of them.. cause of that i use to get a lot of free shit from them..cd's, clothes, sizzurp, etc.. anyway i remember i had a s.d.e(sports, drug, and entertainment) headband back in 2000..1 day i wore it around my neck for a whole day..i was in bk, bx, and harlem.. everywhere i went diff bloods would salute me or do blood calls, or people would look at me kinda in fear..the whole day i'm like wtf is this weird shit goin on, than i found out eventually dipset for whatever reason had a lot of bloods inspired or kinda hype whenever you seemed associated with them or u played their music... i had various situations throughout the yrs with either playing their music, wearing certain dipset shit, or seeming like i was connected to them where i'd get saluted by either mad bloods or their fans.. i use to be like ok not wearing this shit no more don't like all this attention..or i remember i had like the first allout dipset instrumental mix cd that nobody had and i 4get where i was playing that shit in a whip for hrs straight parked i think at the beach or somewhere that had mad traffic..all day all i heard was nigs screaming out blood calls, throwing it up, or coming over giving me dap like yo that's the shit.. i was juss smh like really i can't even play certain tracks outside now without to much attention..shit was real

 

[ViCiouS]

i don't know why anyone would want to disqualify a movement based on the fact that it turned out to be major. lol
Def Jam was a movement. Simmons didn't just get def jam he had to go underground and build it up and it became a part of life and then he parlayed it into what it is today. a movement can't be penalized because they achieved their goals.
A movement
Did they bring in a culture into music?
Did they have their own colloquials?
Did they inspire a change?
Did they control the game for a period of time?
Were they in the "Streets" to begin with and then either flame out at a point or kept it going reaching new heights?

That's a movement.

Wu-Tang is a movement
Def Jam was a movement that became bigger than life and signed OTHER movements
Roc was a movement
Dungeon Family was a movement
Luke had a movement
Death Row was a movement
Aftermath was a movement
G-Unit was a movement
No Limit was a movement
Cash Money is a movement
The Movement of NWA just came out with a 4 star movie.
Bad Boy was a movement

Now which one of these should be removed so that Dipset can get in?
Movement we can just limit it to impact- Far reaching impact that started in 1 place and extended everywhere.

you confusing it too... scope of success has nothing to do with it.
I'm shocked y'all can't see the difference between a marketing creation, a team catching fire, and an organic movement!
A label isn't a movement - neither is the management
I'll kinda limit this to NYC -every REAL movement existed outside of the commercial- never aligned to a label or management - artists that grew out of a movement would be signed to different labels and different management agents etc
It starts in the culture in the clubs in the streets in the schools - never in a boardroom

Compare every one of the commercial pushed label mates and clicks you listed like Aftermath badboy death row roc etc to the culture of zulu wu dipset ruff riders g-unit native etc

Ruthless/ NWA was organic - Bad Boy not so much

 

[tallblacknyc]

as i said b4 they could've been bigger if juss a few things happened

jay agreeing to make this vid


juelz and lil wayne coming out to do that collabo mixtape or real albulm


if juelz would've stayed on track 4get about it

 

[shaddyvillethug]

lil wayne got influenced by that movement and his name and presence got bigger dealing with dipset and that helps pushes cash money movement even further..so technically their movement spawn and impacted other entities..i keep saying jim jones was 1 of the pioneers of love and hip hop now how many yrs has that series been on, didn't that spawn spin offs, sex tapes, etc.. paid in full is part of the hood/drug dealer movie classics...that whole koch situation spawn certain big names to move to independant/smaller record labels, their whole mixtape movement, spawn others like g-unit to go the full underground route and get pushed bigtime to the point of majors taking a look at people..even to this day lot of ny cats try to use the street wave to get put on.. max b is part of the dipset spinoff which ended up pushing french montana and the cokeboys and his coke dvd's...lot of shit spun off of dipset quiet as kept..plus as many have said their presence played a lil bit into the roc seperation which for the music is big...love them or hate them u got to respect the impact they played in the game than and now... if u wanna keep it a lil funky dave east is actually inspired by them also

Man tell these niggas

 

[Day_Carver]

So who shot him or at him?

 

[OutlawR.O.C.]

who knows. maybe it was jays people. wasnt there. point was... why was cam telling on records?

Probably just some weird/jealous fans who watched them partying and took exception to the attention they were getting in another town with their chicks.

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

lil wayne got influenced by that movement and his name and presence got bigger dealing with dipset and that helps pushes cash money movement even further..so technically their movement spawn and impacted other entities..i keep saying jim jones was 1 of the pioneers of love and hip hop now how many yrs has that series been on, didn't that spawn spin offs, sex tapes, etc.. paid in full is part of the hood/drug dealer movie classics...that whole koch situation spawn certain big names to move to independant/smaller record labels, their whole mixtape movement, spawn others like g-unit to go the full underground route and get pushed bigtime to the point of majors taking a look at people..even to this day lot of ny cats try to use the street wave to get put on.. max b is part of the dipset spinoff which ended up pushing french montana and the cokeboys and his coke dvd's...lot of shit spun off of dipset quiet as kept..plus as many have said their presence played a lil bit into the roc seperation which for the music is big...love them or hate them u got to respect the impact they played in the game than and now... if u wanna keep it a lil funky dave east is actually inspired by them also

But what does that have to do with my statement on movements tho?

And we can find several ways to connect ppl to give them credit for stuff if we want to
I could tie dipset to someone else which in turn means every movement you attributed to them being a part of would defer to the movement that inspired theirs....

 

[Day_Carver]

who knows. maybe it was jays people. wasnt there. point was... why was cam telling on records?

Because he's a ny nigga