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largebillsonlyplease said:
yes you are

the entire difference is the defensive players are going to hit the quarterbacks whether they have the ball or not.

that's the difference.

that's what targeting is, not the plays where he has the ball

not the plays where he's in the pocket and gets sacked

we're talking about the plays where he clearly hands the ball off, and he doesn't have the ball, and the defender coming in and lighting him up with no penalty.

imagine peyton manning handing the ball off to moreno and after he hands the ball off clearly suggs or dumervil came in and took a shot and wiped him out last night.. it wouldn't be what's the big deal... it would be...he's the qb... he handed the ball off, and they hit him and didn't get a penalty...

you can't even take 2 steps and hit the qb once he throws it but if he runs the read option and hands it off, you can still come in well after the play is away from the qb and he's no longer a part of it and hit him like he's a runner?

:confused::confused:
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this
 
from jim

echoing my sentiment

Can you elaborate on that? Why do you feel it's biased?

"Well, we could get into a long discussion about it. But I believe that when a quarterback is handing a ball off or faking a ball, in the read option case he's reading on an option play, he's as defenseless as a quarterback who's in the act of throwing. And I'm not advocating that they don't hit the quarterback if he has the ball, but when he's in the pocket I believe there should be a strike zone. The same strike zone that is given to the quarterback when he's in the pocket and throwing the ball. I feel like you give a license now to players to hit quarterbacks at the knee or in the head, and it just seems to be a flip-flop of what the league's trying to get accomplished. Players safety, I've heard [Falcons President and CEO and Competition Committee Chairman] Rich McKay talking about the Competition Committee looking into ways to reduce chop blocks or a player is getting hit at the knee and now you're really opening up a door and giving a license to defensive players to say, ‘I couldn't tell if he clearly had the ball or not, so now we can hit him in the knee or the head.' It just, it doesn't make sense. Yeah, once the quarterback has indicated that he's going to be a runner, then I believe that he is a runner and should be treated like a runner, but when he's in the pocket in that vulnerable position, in that reading position, then I believe he should have the same protection as a quote unquote ‘throwing quarterback.' And then how do you decide? Who makes that determination that a quarterback is making a fake whether he's under center faking to a tailback or he's in the shotgun faking a running back to a tailback. By definition a fake is a deception, it's a deceptive maneuver. The quarterback that makes a fake and then waggles out on a bootleg, he's a runner or a thrower. Now are they opened up to be hit in the head and the knees, treated like a running back? So, that's how I feel about it. It seems simple, it seems like they would have more of an appetite to look at that and they've said they don't have an appetite to look at it any further. So, that's where we're at."
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I don't remember many plays last year with Kap doing that, where he got hit or was susceptible to it. Were there some evidence on film?

"No, he was getting hit in the strike zone, because that's where quarterbacks were intended. That's been the rule that there's a strike zone for quarterbacks in the pocket, but it's just this new language where they keep saying treat him like a running back, we don't know who's got the ball. You're opening up a license to hit him outside the strike zone. I guess I'm entitled to my opinion, that's why I answered the question. I think it's flawed and I think it's biased. Really probably nothing more to be said about it at this time."
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it's almost here
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I'm gonna check out some of the Seahawks/Panthers game right now.
I wanna see if the Panthers can slow down Russell Wilson & Lynch.
Panthers front 7 is pretty good.
I think losing Michael Robinson will hurt the Seahawks this season.
He was a good fullback for Lynch.

:cool::cool::cool:

The Saints/Falcons game should be good also.

:cool::cool::cool:
 
Man the Seahawks don't look good at all so far
Going cross country & playing an early game
Seahawks defense still can't stop the run & their O-line is still crap
Russell Wilson is running for his life every other play & Lynch has not done much so far
Lets see what adjustments Pete the Cheat makes after halftime
:hmm::hmm::hmm:
Come on Panthers
:D:D:D
 
LargeBills.. Exactly what we talked about happened. Read-Option wasn't the focal point of the plays and KAEP picked them apart.

Just think, we missed opportunities also.
 
AwwSchitt said:
LargeBills.. Exactly what we talked about happened. Read-Option wasn't the focal point of the plays and KAEP picked them apart.

Just think, we missed opportunities also.
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we said it. we could see it. people wanted to discredit him

and every pass he makes i think will be completed and at least not errant.. it's an amazing feeling to feel like that after so long.

we missed 5 td's today he could have had passing.

and green bay can't say shit... matthews didn't get ejected so fuck the dumb shit about any type of call.
and it happened so early in the game and they actually took the lead after it.

take the l and eat some cheese
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p><a href="https://twitter.com/search?q=%2349ers&amp;src=hash">#49ers</a> QB Colin Kaepernick: &quot;If intimidation is your game plan, I hope you have a better one.&quot;</p>&mdash; Matt Maiocco (@MaioccoCSN) <a href="https://twitter.com/MaioccoCSN/statuses/376861616240734209">September 9, 2013</a></blockquote>
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largebillsonlyplease said:
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p><a href="https://twitter.com/search?q=%2349ers&amp;src=hash">#49ers</a> QB Colin Kaepernick: &quot;If intimidation is your game plan, I hope you have a better one.&quot;</p>&mdash; Matt Maiocco (@MaioccoCSN) <a href="https://twitter.com/MaioccoCSN/statuses/376861616240734209">September 9, 2013</a></blockquote>
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Well said KAEP!
 
starting to feel like the great old days where we expected to win and the season doesnt start until January :D
 
It's really pissing me off that all the talk on the double penalty play is about how the refs messed up the call.

Talk about Matthews cheap shot on the QB. Such bullshit! :angry:
 
Good to see the pocket presence of Kap... Seabirds.

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man nfl gameday just spent the entire time praising the pakcers defense as they gave up 500 yards AGAIN and praised rogers for throwing for 300 yards

and didn't say shit about kap throwing for 400 yards and 3td with no picks

they said they didn't let him run today

ignoring that he threw for 400 fucking yards and 3tds

this is what im talking about.

they stopped the read option...

and he threw for 400 motherfucking yards

smh
 
largebillsonlyplease said:
man nfl gameday just spent the entire time praising the pakcers defense as they gave up 500 yards AGAIN and praised rogers for throwing for 300 yards

and didn't say shit about kap throwing for 400 yards and 3td with no picks

they said they didn't let him run today

ignoring that he threw for 400 fucking yards and 3tds

this is what im talking about.

they stopped the read option...

and he threw for 400 motherfucking yards

smh
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Aaron Rodgers gets the praise... in a losing effort :lol: Gotta love it!
 
transcripts

Jim
You've seen the chemistry develop over training camp, was this more than you expected out of both of them together?

"It's the way they've been practicing. It's the way they've been playing. Anquan's been making those kinds of catches all camp long. And [TE] Vernon Davis, as well. Big plays out of Vernon, the great threat that he is. [RB] Frank Gore, [RB] Kendall Hunter, fine job. Talked about the offensive line, I thought it was outstanding. The pass rush on defense was big, especially when we needed it there at the end. And getting the two turnovers. It's hard, Green Bay is a heck of an offense. They got a great quarterback, and tremendous offensive personnel and I thought our guys did a great job. We got to get better in some areas. We got to tackle better. I thought Eric Reid showed he belongs out there. Some great plays, [LB] NaVorro Bowman on a third down to get us off the field, a lot of players to spotlight."

When they called the offsetting on when T Joe Staley pushed Matthews, you obviously seemed to take exception on it. Did you think that that's common just to kind of retaliate and protect your quarterback?

"Joe, I watched it, Joe did exactly what we coach him to do. When somebody's taking a cheap shot or trying to do something after the whistle we teach him to lock up. He did that and then Matthews throws two punches at him. The officials had their explanation, and maybe saw some other things that I didn't see, but yeah I thought that for it to even be offsetting, I didn't see it that way from my vantage point."

What'd you like most about Eric Reid's performance? An interception in his first game and he made some physical tackles as well.

"Yeah, he did. He made some fine tackles, some open-field tackles, some physical tackles and missed a few as well and that's something that we need to improve on as an entire defense. A couple times we went low and didn't get the tackle made, but it will get better."
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Kap

Did you brace yourself for that a little bit more based on some of the things Clay said earlier in the week?

"No, I'm not worried about what people are saying. If intimidation is your game plan, I hope you have a better one."

How do you feel about your performance today?

"I feel like there were more throws that I should have made out there. There were plenty of times I feel like I should have completed passes that I didn't. That's something I have to get better at."

You are smiling a lot right now, looks like you had a lot of fun out there.

"I like playing football."
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Nnamdi

Green Bay's a very good team, started right into the fire and you beat them. 1 - 0 against a good team, how are you feeling generally about the team moving forward?

"Really good, really good. Obviously, there are some things, like I said, that we need to shore up on defense. But I think we did well considering the team we were playing against. I think you always have to factor that in. But it's positive right now and I just love that the environment and the energy is positive after week one. Obviously, getting a win helps that energy, but that stuff is infectious and it's good to see on a team like this."
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Anquan Boldin

You practiced a lot in this offense, but until you actually get out on this field in a regular season game, did you envision having this big game that you had today?

"Not the type of memories that I have today. I expected to come out and play well. We practiced well over the last couple of weeks, getting prepared for Green Bay. I thought our coach did a great job game planning. This entire off season, we knew they were going to come in ready to play because of what happened in the playoffs, so we had to come in ready to match their intensity. I thought we did that as a team."

What was your strategy to stay open so much?

"Strategy? I don't know if there is a strategy. You know, for me, it's my job to catch the ball and anytime [QB Colin] Kaepernick throws the ball my way, I want to make sure it's a completion. I want to make a completion. Just to build that confidence, and that was my mind set going into the game."

Out of the thirteen catches you had today, were you the primary receiver or were you checked down in the open?

"On a couple, I was the primary, there were a couple where I was the second or third option and then we hit a couple scramble plays. I'm not the number one option on all of them. I know every receiver would love to be, but that's just not how it works."

On the fourth down play, it was covered early. What was going through your mind as the play was developing?

"Just stay alive. Whenever you have a quarterback like [Colin] Kaepernick, he can get outside the pocket and make plays happen. So if a play does break down initially, you need to stay alive with him because he is great at getting outside the pocket and throwing the ball accurately, even if it's across his body."

Did you watch the 49ers vs. Packers playoff game last year?

"Yes."

Even though you were in a different conference, was there something you saw in that game that helped you today?

"I think it was, as I said, just watching them over there in the off season. Like I said, the coaches did a great job game planning for them. There were some plays in there that we schemed up just for them, that we thought would be there and they were."

You obviously have some great chemistry with your quarterback last year, how do you feel about what you have with [QB Colin] Kaepernick compares with what you had with [QB] Joe [Flacco]?

"We are getting there, we are going. I think the more we play together the better we will be. The great thing that me and Kap have, is communication. We've been able to communicate throughout the entire camp, on every play. I'm coming to the sideline, he's asking me what I'm saying and I'm asking him the same thing. ‘Is there anything you want me to do different?' He's asking me if I want him to place the ball in a certain place. There's a lot of communication between us and I think that whenever you have that communication, it bodes well for corp receiver and quarterback."

When you were growing up, were you a fan of Jerry Rice? I'm wondering if wearing a 49er jersey means anything to you.

"I was a 49ers fan growing up. Yeah, although I wasn't a receiver growing up. I was a quarterback so I never specifically looked at Jerry Rice, but I was a 49er fan growing up."

Were you a Joe Montana Fan?

"Ronnie Lott was my favorite player."

So you ran off the field, even with a PR guy trailing you, were you not trying to do interviews? What did you do that?

"No, that's just how I am. I don't go out for the coin toss, I go to the locker room. For me this is a business. I come out here to do a job and hopefully I do my job well."
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Eric Reid

How tough is a team like Green Bay to prepare for with the different things they can throw at you?

"I think it is great for me personally because it sets the tone for the whole season by going up against one of the best quarterbacks in the entire world. It is great to come out with the victory. I am looking forward to next week and continuing to get better."

Is that first pick something you are never going to forget?

"Yeah, I did not keep the ball. I don't know what I was thinking, but I wish I kept the ball. I am glad I got my first one."

Tell me about that play.

"It was one of those covers where I read the quarterback and I broke on the throw to the receiver and the ball fell right into my hands. I got up and started running but unfortunately I got tagged down before."

Eric, big shoes to fill, but you stepped in and made a statement today. How good did that game feel?

"It felt good. I put high expectations on myself and that was a goal of mine to get a pick. The ultimate goal is to help the team and do my job every week."
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Donte Whitner

How did the rookie beside you do today in your estimation?

"He did well. He made some plays, got his first interception, didn't kick the football, missed a couple tackles but he had a couple big hits out there. We expect that. He'll work on the missed tackles, but he did a great job for his first game going against one of the best quarterbacks in the National Football League. The stage wasn't too big for him. He's just going to continue to get better and better and I'm glad he's back there."

Obviously not ready to compare him to an All-Pro just yet, but the way he comes up, is it reminiscent of what Buccaneers S Dashon Goldson did?

"Yeah it is. He's actually a bigger guy than Dashon is. Dashon is about 200 pounds, he's about 220. Once he gets out there, gets more comfortable being out there and laying hits, taking angles and knowing where guys are going to be, you're going to see more and more of that. He's one of those big safeties that can make plays, hit and get to the football."
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Patrick Willis

What did you think about the physicality of this game?

"It was a physical game in a sense that they passed the ball a lot. They got the ball out really quickly and we had to tackle them. There were a couple of plays out there today where we didn't tackle so well but I think for the most part we did alright."

Earlier in the week Packers LB Clay Matthews talked about hitting QB Colin Kaepernick and talked about physicality. Did that get your defense pumped for what you were doing today?

"No. Honestly, we don't care what other people talk about. We know what we have to do as a defense and as a team and we just want to go out there and show it. We let the other teams do the talking and we just want to go out there and put it on display."

What did the Packers do today that they didn't do in the playoff loss last year?

"I don't want to take anything away from them but at the same time I don't think we played our best defense. With that being said, I don't want to take anything away from them, but us not playing our best defense I felt kind of contributed to them having some of the success they had. We missed some tackles out there and gave them some first downs. They scrambled a little bit and threw it up and caught some passes. I think that's more our fault than them dominating."

It's so uncharacteristic for the 49ers to have an off-day defensively. Can you put your finger on why it may have happened?

"It's the first game. We don't condone having mistakes but we know that they're part of the game. Some of them are ones that we can't allow to happen. But it's the first game and we got a W. What we didn't do so well we'll come in and watch it, critique it and get better for the next game."

What were your impressions of S Eric Reid stepping in, getting his first start today, how he played and how he fit in with the defense?

"Eric played well. He did exactly what I thought he would do. He can hit and run to the ball. He covered my tail on that one play where he got the interception. I kind of got too high and [Packers TE Jermichael] Finley cut underneath me. I didn't know if Eric caught the ball, dropped it or what but he was there to make the play. He just played tremendously and I know he's going to help the team get better as well."

How long will you enjoy this win before you start thinking about Seattle?

"Until tomorrow morning. I'll enjoy it tonight with my family, hang out with them and then tomorrow when I get to the facility it's about working out and getting my mind ready for Seattle."

Do you like having two big games right out of the gate?

"To me I think every football game is big. There is no football game that I look at where I say, ‘This game doesn't mean anything.' I don't care who we're playing, winning record or losing record, I just want to win. I spent my first four seasons losing so to me every game is valuable."
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Joe Staley shouldn't have been penalized, NFL says
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap10...-staley-shouldnt-have-been-penalized-nfl-says

The NFL is admitting yet another mistake in the aftermath of the most emotional moment in Sunday's showdown between the Green Bay Packers and San Francisco 49ers.

NFL Media Insider Ian Rapoport reports that NFL VP of officiating Dean Blandino reviewed the fracas between the two teams following Clay Matthews' late hit, and determined that 49ers tackle Joe Staley should not have been penalized for unsportsmanlike conduct. In other words, there never should have been offsetting penalties on Matthews and Staley in the first place. It should have been first-and-goal from the three-yard line.


Head referee Bill Leavy also admitted after the game that he made a mistake in applying the offsetting penalties, which gave the 49ers an extra down. Blandino said on Monday's "NFL-AM" that a mistake like that will not happen again. And now Blandino is saying that Staley's penalty should have never been called. 49ers coach Jim Harbaugh agrees:

"Joe did exactly what we coach him to do," Harbaugh said. "When somebody's taking a cheap shot or trying to do something after the whistle, we teach them just to lock up. He did that, and then Matthews throws two punches at him."

We agree with Harbaugh. Staley didn't appear to do anything wrong. So even though the 49ers were lucky to get an extra down after the offsetting penalties, the 49ers should never have been put in that spot.

Blandino can only hope that his officials' mistakes aren't such a weekly Monday morning talking point.
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This is why Jim is always yelling at the refs. Mofos blow more calls against us than anyone else.
 
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There have been three 10-catch, 200-yard receiving games in NFL history on the season’s opening weekend. Boldin has two of them.
 
AwwSchitt said:
There have been three 10-catch, 200-yard receiving games in NFL history on the season’s opening weekend. Boldin has two of them.
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and kyle started cause he's been here

but we need to keep it real. we need to get marlon moore in and we need to get patton in so they can make plays. they've proven they can

and get mcdonald more involved too out of a double te set where vernon does a deep cross and mcdonald does a shallow cross.. .can't guard both

and hunter in limited action showed some EXCELLENT explosion im encouraged after watching that

i realize now the game plan was that was because of the packers intent on stopping the pistol
 
largebillsonlyplease said:
but we need to keep it real. we need to get marlon moore in and we need to get patton in so they can make plays. they've proven they can
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I agree with you here. I expected to see a lot more of Patton. He has displayed good route running and good hands. It will be interesting to see how we attack Seattle.
 
AwwSchitt said:
I agree with you here. I expected to see a lot more of Patton. He has displayed good route running and good hands. It will be interesting to see how we attack Seattle.
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It will be different than anything they've seen. I think Mangini has already paid off. That Game plan was great, just needed to get the plays in quicker so kap could make his adjustments. but that game did so much because NOW you cannot plan for us.
If you plan to take away the read option, you leave EVERYTHING else open in the passing game and he will torch you

If you play traditional, then we run the pistol and kill you that way.


All we have to do is stay focused and show up and I like our chances. Also we need to tackle wilson, don't let him slip away from grasp none of those almost sacks, we need to force him into mistakes. the wr's aren't nearly as dynamic as green bay's

so its up to game plan and heart. I think we'll have both
 
If any Packers fans want to argue that Staley was in the wrong just show them this. He grabbed and yelled.. How in the hell is yelling at someone who just clotheslines your QB a penalty?
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AwwSchitt said:
If any Packers fans want to argue that Staley was in the wrong just show them this. He grabbed and yelled.. How in the hell is yelling at someone who just clotheslines your QB a penalty?
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there's nothing they can say. we actually got robbed in the situation. should have been 1st and goal from the 3 yard line that ends anything they can say about anything. officially from the nfl the same people that said the offsetting penalties were mishandled, so was the fact that there were offsetting penalties

i like it

we knew they wanted us we knew that they were determined but we showed resolve
 
Here is my 2 cents on the Packers game....
Overall I think we were pretty damn solid on both sides of the ball.
We just need to clean up a few things like, penalties, timeouts/game clock management, missed tackles.
I think the missed tackles were b/c of rust being the 1st game of the season.
Timeouts/Getting the plays in on time will be a problem again next week though.
All that noise in Seattle will be an issue.
Every single year IN SEATTLE, we ALWAYS have O-Line false starts, delay of game penalties & wasted timeouts.
Hopefully they get it cleaned up after the Seahawks game.


Back to the Packers....
Mannnn, the Packers spent all offseason game planning on how to stop us & they still lost!!!
These fools even went & asked college coaches how to stop the read option.
They even switched up their defensive coverage.
In the playoffs they used man coverage, but yesterday they mostly used zone coverage.
They got embarrassed in the playoffs.
Their whole game plan was
1. Stop the run (Gore & Hunter)
2. Don't let Kaepernick run/scramble
3. Double Vernon
That just shows how good our team is, b/c the Packers are a strong playoff team & with all that.... we still won!


They had BJ Raji & John Jolly to stop runs up the middle.
Clay Mathews & the other LB protecting the ends so we could not run outside.
And they had a spy watching Kaep most of the game.
The Packers dedicated like 8 men just to try & stop THE THREAT of the run/pistol/read option!
They left the middle of the field wide open & we killed them in the passing game.


Soooo question....
How do teams stop our run game with Gore/Hunter/Kaep & the pistol formation/read option + Boldin & Vernon running wild in the secondary???
Answer.....
THEY CAN'T !!!


Unless a team has a top 10 D-Line/front seven, AND pro-bowl corners
And I don't know too many teams in the NFL like that..... maybe Seattle.... maybe.


:dance2::dance2::dance2:
 
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