And why are you MIA when the legalistic discussions concerning reparations and the racial wealth gap are brought up?
A Blueprint for Reparations
That fag is really touched huh? Bitch ass niggas I swear. I wanna slap the shit out of him!www.bgol.us
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A Practical and Constitutional Proposal for Reparations for African-Americans
Responding to the discussions on Reparations are replete while the appalling reality on the ground is not in doubt, to be of assistance and subject to the wisdom of people who have been working on thi...www.jurist.org
These are my posts in this same thread from 2019
Dude......
I’ve said repeatedly Obama was not perfect...
I can point to several serious issues with his administration..... Mainly local spying ...
I can be neutral ... this website though is pro-republican..
The issues with Flints water somehow been linked to Obama since it became a news story becauase for some reason... people think it’s a federal concern. When it’s the state... but people always bring it up to say “hey look how the democrats didn’t do anything for Flint”
The website goes out of it way to not point out a single instance of the republicans contributing to the issue...
It doesn’t nightlight a neutral stance... even though the one of the reasons we are where we are is because the republicans have been in control for decades... yet somehow and for some reason... now is the time to talk about this... now is the time bring up this website... not even a month after the democrats took control of the house.
Are you telling me that theses two people, who have been supposedly talking about this movement for awhile... have waited all this time to finally reveal their master Wordpress website... why not reveal this last year... prior to the midterms..
Cause then it would have hung focus on the republicans who had complete control of the house, senate, and Supreme Court and the most they did for blacks is pay 20 million more to HBCU then Obama did. They did nothing else... yet somehow now is the time create a division amongst black people...
I’d had no issue if they left it at redistribution of wealth and reparations.... but you can not ignore the bare fact that the first thing on the Agenda is to change the census to separate ADOS to black immigrants and then to have affirmative action programs to only ADOS..
How the hell would that even work? Also it’s fucked up....
Fam again,..
How are you going to prove lineage?
Are you asking everyone that looks black “did you come from a ship?”
Then how do you even define ADOs... you have your interpretation, but how would the government interpret it. The logical way would be to say those whose family could be traced to slavery without any impunity... but then what if one side of the family never was free and the other never was a slave.
What if you family immigrated here right after slavery and then mixed...with out blacks..
So you are going to have to ask people to pull out family trees to the US government.... in order to seek reparations??
I don’t understand how there are members that don’t see the problems with this?
Why not just talk about redistribution of wealth or highlight the need for African American programs?
Why specifically go to the level of separation amongst blacks? Cause that’s kind of what they are saying...
Jesus I quit....
The reparations agreement was paying reparations for France to Jews based upon the shit that happened in 1946 .... it was approved by the state department because it involved foreign affairs... which is what they mainly handle. Holocaust survivors have been pushing for French Reparations since 2000.... because French was held responsible so you know what they did.. they began sueing people.... the only reason why they even got reparations payments starting 2015 is that they sued SnCF. So it’s not like the state department said “oh look we have to pay back the Jews for what they went through” .... the Jews had an organized and agreesive campaign for this...
We... as a people... we just talk about...
Personally I still think that we have a legit argument on the 40 acres and a mule promise but no one has aggressively pushed for it in the modern era.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/loca...7bbd53d2b5d_story.html?utm_term=.7884338150d5
Also the republicans were in charge of the house when this happened and I think the senate when this happened.... but I can see why Obama is blamed.
And again... I point out...
In the last 40 years...... how many democratic presidents have we had and in those years... how many times was the Congress democratic.
But more importantly... How many democratic governors have we had in the last 40 years especially in the southern regions.. how many times have we have democratic controllled state houses and senates..
While I will continue to say that the Democratic Party has had problems..... it it hard to achieve progress when in the state and local level they are rarely in control...
As for reparations...
Has anyone even happened to ask how that would even work out? As much as I would like them... how would you repay this debt? Who would be included? Who would be excluded? Do we include all African Americans? But exclude African Americans with mixed backgrounds? Do we include native Americans? Do they get more because they were here first? To be on the real .... even if you exclude black immigrants...
You will have African Americans divided over the fact that they believe they should get paid more then then the next African Americans because that guy is mixed or half his family is from Nigeria ... or his grandmother is really from Canada so that doesn’t count.. he needs less.
If they do offer reparations... I just don’t see it coming in the form that most blacks people want it to be. Unless Kats start suing the shit out of local states that promoted and endorsed slavery... hit particular families who had slaves... basically create a new type of suit. The first cases would likely lose... but I think there might be a court of equity argument even with the statute of limitations issues.
Anyway.... I think I’m good in this thread. I’m Not going to get sucked in like I did in the flat earth thread.
I’ll be back in 2020....
My issue is that I've got no clue how you would Define.. an American Descendant of Slavery.
So is this the reason why we are even having this discussion...
Who is black in America? Ethnic tensions flare between black Americans and black immigrants.
As soon as it was announced that filming would start for a Harriet Tubman biopic with British Nigerian actress Cynthia Erivo as the lead, a social media fury erupted.
An online appeal went up demanding that an African American woman be cast as Tubman, who, after escaping slavery, made more than a dozen trips to lead others to freedom on the Underground Railroad.
In the Change.org petition, which garnered 1,123 signatures by Oct. 17, organizer Tyler Holmes wrote: "We will boycott the film Harriet until you hire an actual black American actress to play the part."
Part of the anger directed at Erivo was that social media users unearthed an old tweet where Erivo had mocked a "ghetto American accent." Critics said she denigrated African Americans on one hand, but sought to portray an iconic African American hero on the other.
This came after a tangle in August when Nigerian-born blogger and author Luvvie Ajayi wrote that Tevin Campbell was too obscure a choice to sing at Aretha Franklin's funeral. "Under what rock did they pull that name from?" Ajayi quipped. The Twitter response was livid.
Such arguments, dubbed by some "the diaspora war," reveal more than preferences over movie roles and pop culture. The rancor provides a peek into a debate about identity in America, raising questions about how a changing black population — increasingly diversewith immigrants and refugees from Africa, the Caribbean, Britain, and elsewhere — sees itself and is seen by the majority.
Who is black in America? Can there be unity based on skin color alone? Who gets to speak for African Americans?
Although there is more nuance to the arguments, the sides often go like this: Black immigrants are respected more than black Americans, all the while benefiting from reparations meant to right evils of America's past. That's led to some black Americans redefining themselves as "American Descendants of Slavery" to spotlight their claim on America's promises. Meanwhile, immigrants discover they're newly identified as "black" in a white nation — an unnecessary distinction in Nigeria, Ghana, or Jamaica — and say that when pulled over by cops, no one cares whether they have a charming accent.
These identity issues are showing up at universities, during marches, and at theaters, and raise questions of whether these diverging groups can, or want to, build coalitions for political change.
We talked to a number of experts — immigrants and Americans — to help explain the origins of the tension and how the issue is playing out.
One source of contention is who benefits from “diversity” efforts.
For decades, researchers have studied how universities are increasing the numbers of black students at majority-white colleges. But some of the current tensions between immigrants and African Americans can be traced to a theory that the nation's most selective universities have shifted away from racial-justice remedies — things like affirmative action that were put in place to right the wrongs of slavery and Jim Crow segregation — by using diversity as a goal instead.
A study published in the American Journal of Education in 2007 found that immigrants or children of immigrants, while making up 13 percent of the nation's black 18- and 19-year-olds — accounted for 41 percent of blacks admitted to Ivy League schools.
"If it's about getting black faces at Harvard, then you're doing fine," Mary C. Waters, the former chair of Harvard's sociology department, told the New York Times about a need for a philosophical discussion on affirmative action. "If it's about making up for 200 to 500 years of slavery in this country and its aftermath, then you're not doing well."
Compounding the tension is a fivefold increase in the black immigrant population in recent decades. There were 4.2 million black immigrants living in the United States in 2016, up from 816,000 in 1980, according to a Pew Research Center report. As more black immigrants experience success, they get what Fordham University professor Christina M. Greer calls "elevated minority status."
"Foreign-born blacks are often perceived by whites and even black Americans as different and 'special' — as harder-working and more productive citizens than their black American counterparts," Greer wrote in her book Black Ethnics: Race, Immigration, and the Pursuit of the American Dream.
It's a phenomenon that academics started noticing decades ago — that immigrants generally are "strivers" who work hard to better their lives.
It's not quite an apples-to-apples comparison, though.
Onoso Imoagene, a University of Pennsylvania sociologist born in Nigeria, who studies African immigrants and how they adapt to discrimination in America, said that although more than half of Nigerians in America are college-educated, just 7 percent of Nigerians living abroad have at least a bachelor's degree. So those who end up in the United States are the most educated — "a hyper-selected group," she said.
Immigrants don’t carry the same racial trauma as Americans, experts say.
Even before immigrants come here, said Amy Yeboah, an assistant professor of African American studies at Howard University and the American-born daughter of Ghanian parents, they have an advantage American blacks often don't.
"If you are educated in Ghana, your level of education will be different from what you get in the Bronx," said Yeboah, who grew up in New York and earned her undergraduate and doctoral degrees from Temple University. "Students who apply from Ghana compared to those who are born here will do better, because they are prepared better."
Harvard professor Lani Guinier told the Washington Post that immigrants have an added benefit.
"In part, it has to do with coming from a country … where blacks were in the majority and did not experience the stigma that black children did in the United States," she said.
Immigrants are not oblivious to discrimination in their home countries, said Imoagene. It's just that those experiences haven't involved skin color.
"We have our own axes of stratification, when you think of ethnic lines [in Nigeria] — whether you are Yoruba or Igbo, or Christian or Muslim," she said. "Then you come here and find out you're [also] black, and have to learn the racial meanings attached to that status."
What’s resulted is a movement to declare who is entitled to what.
Some black Americans want to redefine themselves as an "American Descendant of Slavery," or ADOS, rather than African American.
Antonio Moore, a lawyer in California, and Yvette Carnell, a former journalist and congressional aide, appear to be leading the charge. The two make regular YouTube videos arguing that people whose ancestors were enslaved have a "justice claim" that black immigrants don't.
"We have been doing 'people of color' politics, but if you want to talk about what people who have been identified as African Americans need and what we are owed, then we have to change that definition." Carnell said.
On her videos, she has often criticized former President Barack Obama for saying this is a nation of immigrants. "We were not immigrants. We were property, we were chattel slaves. That's a difference."
Neither Americans nor immigrants are a monolith.
Michelle Saahene's voice was heard around the world when she spoke in April at the Center City Starbucks where a manager called the police on two black American men because they asked to use the bathroom without placing an order.
"They didn't do anything," Saahene, of Philadelphia, said in the viral video of the incident.
Raised in Central Pennsylvania, Saahene, now 32, said it was difficult for her to negotiate her racial identity as the daughter of immigrants growing up in Palmyra, a predominantly white town near Lebanon. Her teachers treated her well because she excelled in school. But at Pennsylvania State University and other places, she felt she got the cold shoulder from African American students.
Earlier this year, Rosita Johnson, a retired Philadelphia teacher, was honored by the South African government for her efforts starting in the '80s to support a school for children who fled to Tanzania after the Soweto protests of white rule.
At her Germantown home, the 86-year-old talked about the tensions between some Americans and Africans. A fractured black population, she said, only helps those in power.
"It's a divide-and-conquer tactic," said Johnson, "because African Americans are Africans. These are our cousins. If you're African American, you're related to somebody over there. Unfortunately, because of slavery and colonization, all people of African descent have suffered from racism. I call it a mental illness."
Since those times, she has traveled back to Ghana. At Elmina Castle, where captured Africans were held before being taken on ships destined for the Americas, she wept.
"I … imagined what it was like to experience the torture, the rape and murder, and I looked out on the ocean and imagined being on a boat, sailing away, and I got sick to my stomach. When I got back to America, it was impossible for me to look at all African Americans and not see them as my possible brothers and sisters, neighbors and family and friends in Africa.
"To me, this feud between Africans and African Americans, it's terrible and it needs to stop."
https://www.philly.com/philly/news/...-american-descendants-of-slaves-20181018.html
So we have a social media campaign against an African woman playing Harriet Tubman.. When Harriet's grandmother was African and her mother was likely half white... Butwhatever..
Man sweet jesus... Social Media is fucking killing us.
I'm just trying to figure out..... How you define.... an American Descendant of Slavery. Like I watched the video........ and I get what she was trying to say about the movement.
The focus is on Blacks that were taken from Africa and put into Slavery.
But how the hell do you even define that........... It's not like they kept the best records back then. Also does it matter if your bloodline/lineage was mixed at some time. Take me for example... My maternal great grand mother on my mothers side was Native american. Her husband was a freed slave. My grandfather's father somehow has some Asian in his lineage. I don't even know what's on my father's side... I don't know dude, but I take it that has to be some European cause my last name is Romanic. So I'm a descendant of slavery, but I've got other shit in me. So should I receive the same amount of services as African Americans who can trace their lineage on both sides back to Slavery.
Personally I'd have ZERO problem with the country doing the right thing and Paying the debt specifically to those that were freed as Slaves.. Like say for example.... I don't get the reparations to me per se, but I would receive it as a family member of my Grandmother's Father. The Debt is owed to him.
That would be the easiest way to do this...
So of course it's the way that no one is talking about... We are sitting up here trying to claim reparations for the blood and sacrifice that our forefathers endured.......... but we wouldn't want to give anything to them directly.
Also.... What about the African Americans that lived through Segregation or is this just for those who can trace their lineage to slaves.
Ok now for real.. I'm out... I've got to work.
I dipped out of this thread cause it wasn't going anywhere.