A collection of #ADOS Tweets from @KingTahara that no one cares about

It's amazing,how some of us could question a movement that's specifically for us...Time and time again,the Democrats pander us to get our votes yet wont do shit for us....

Folks want to bring up,why ADOS isnt attacking the Republican Party yet know that that racist party wont do anything for black people.

We're the #1 voting block for the Democratic Party yet we don't get shit....Then folks want bring up shit like My Brother's Keeper and Obama Care to make their argument. Both are great for black people but wasn't specifically for us.

You had Obama give reparations for Jews and two executive orders for Hispanics and gays(later rescinded by Orange)but gave every excuse why black people wont get reparations....

I don't understand, why folks throw a fit when someone criticizes the Democratic Party. Are we not suppose to question politicians, who doesn't do their fucking job.How can we progress as a community when we just let one party pander to us for decades but we don't get shit of of it.

The Democrats are suppose to do stuff for us since we vote for them yet folks want to vote for them because the they're the lesser of two evils.

How about holding the Democratic Party accountable for once. I got a better idea, how dropping both parties and start one specifically for us since both parties ain't about shit but that wont happen. Folks rather let the Democrats take advantage of their vote than start a new party.

The Democrats are whats making ADOS explode. After the Joy Reid hitpiece shit really took off. :lol: There more and more non ADOS Democrats shit on ADOS, the tougher they are making the Dems have to campaign. Sad thing is, the Democrats will abandon the non ADOS supporters when they realize they cant bring them the ADOS vote anymore or be mouthpieces. They will serve no purpose.
 
Jesus I quit....

The reparations agreement was paying reparations for France to Jews based upon the shit that happened in 1946 .... it was approved by the state department because it involved foreign affairs... which is what they mainly handle. Holocaust survivors have been pushing for French Reparations since 2000.... because French was held responsible so you know what they did.. they began sueing people.... the only reason why they even got reparations payments starting 2015 is that they sued SnCF. So it’s not like the state department said “oh look we have to pay back the Jews for what they went through” .... the Jews had an organized and agreesive campaign for this...

We... as a people... we just talk about...

Personally I still think that we have a legit argument on the 40 acres and a mule promise but no one has aggressively pushed for it in the modern era.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/loca...7bbd53d2b5d_story.html?utm_term=.7884338150d5

Also the republicans were in charge of the house when this happened and I think the senate when this happened.... but I can see why Obama is blamed.


And again... I point out...

In the last 40 years...... how many democratic presidents have we had and in those years... how many times was the Congress democratic.

But more importantly... How many democratic governors have we had in the last 40 years especially in the southern regions.. how many times have we have democratic controllled state houses and senates..

While I will continue to say that the Democratic Party has had problems..... it it hard to achieve progress when in the state and local level they are rarely in control...


As for reparations...

Has anyone even happened to ask how that would even work out? As much as I would like them... how would you repay this debt? Who would be included? Who would be excluded? Do we include all African Americans? But exclude African Americans with mixed backgrounds? Do we include native Americans? Do they get more because they were here first? To be on the real .... even if you exclude black immigrants...

You will have African Americans divided over the fact that they believe they should get paid more then then the next African Americans because that guy is mixed or half his family is from Nigeria ... or his grandmother is really from Canada so that doesn’t count.. he needs less.

If they do offer reparations... I just don’t see it coming in the form that most blacks people want it to be. Unless Kats start suing the shit out of local states that promoted and endorsed slavery... hit particular families who had slaves... basically create a new type of suit. The first cases would likely lose... but I think there might be a court of equity argument even with the statute of limitations issues.


Anyway.... I think I’m good in this thread. I’m Not going to get sucked in like I did in the flat earth thread.

I’ll be back in 2020....
 
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Rolland is deflecting hard. He's just babbling...

Actually he made great points.

It highlights a big problem in the ADOS movement.

Reparations are owed and should go only to ADOS, i think we all agree on that.

But when ADOS peeps talk about things like the wealth gap and stuff like that, it doesnt JUST include ADOS, it includes all of us.
 
Jesus I quit....

The reparations agreement was paying reparations for France to Jews based upon the shit that happened in 1946 .... it was approved by the state department because it involved foreign affairs... which is what they mainly handle. Holocaust survivors have been pushing for French Reparations since 2000.... because French was held responsible so you know what they did.. they began sueing people.... the only reason why they even got reparations payments starting 2015 is that they sued SnCF. So it’s not like the state department said “oh look we have to pay back the Jews for what they went through” .... the Jews had an organized and agreesive campaign for this...

We... as a people... we just talk about...

Personally I still think that we have a legit argument on the 40 acres and a mule promise but no one has aggressively pushed for it in the modern era.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/loca...7bbd53d2b5d_story.html?utm_term=.7884338150d5

Also the republicans were in charge of the house when this happened and I think the senate when this happened.... but I can see why Obama is blamed.


And again... I point out...

In the last 40 years...... how many democratic presidents have we had and in those years... how many times was the Congress democratic.

But more importantly... How many democratic governors have we had in the last 40 years especially in the southern regions.. how many times have we have democratic controllled state houses and senates..

While I will continue to say that the Democratic Party has had problems..... it it hard to achieve progress when in the state and local level they are rarely in control...


As for reparations...

Has anyone even happened to ask how that would even work out? As much as I would like them... how would you repay this debt? Who would be included? Who would be excluded? Do we include all African Americans? But exclude African Americans with mixed backgrounds? Do we include native Americans? Do they get more because they were here first? To be on the real .... even if you exclude black immigrants...

You will have African Americans divided over the fact that they believe they should get paid more then then the next African Americans because that guy is mixed or half his family is from Nigeria ... or his grandmother is really from Canada so that doesn’t count.. he needs less.

If they do offer reparations... I just don’t see it coming in the form that most blacks people want it to be. Unless Kats start suing the shit out of local states that promoted and endorsed slavery... hit particular families who had slaves... basically create a new type of suit. The first cases would likely lose... but I think there might be a court or equity argument even with the statute of limitations issues.


Anyway.... I think I’m good in this thread. I’m Not going to get sucked in like I did in the flat earth thread.

I’ll be back in 2020....

basically.

just like i said i will be back when this gets aired out. people act like this exact shit just didn't happen within the past couple of years. i provided examples and people refuse to educate themselves.

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RUSSIANS POSING AS BLACK ACTIVISTS ON FACEBOOK IS MORE THAN FAKE NEWS

In late September, CNN reported on a Kremlin-supported plot to invade the online communities of the Black Lives Matter movement, the global network of civil rights organizations and justice-oriented nonprofits launched in the wake of Trayvon Martin’s 2012 death. The pro-Kremlin Russian firm Internet Research Agency had fabricated hundreds of accounts and bought $100,000 in ads during a two-year period; of the 470 groups it created to “exploit tensions” in U.S. elections, Blacktivist had become one its most accessible, signing on more than 500,000 followers and well outpacing the official Black Lives Matters account. That number bears little shock; it's simply a striking indicator of the movement’s unmistakable draw and necessity.

https://www.wired.com/story/russian-black-activist-facebook-accounts/
 
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Actually he made great points.

It highlights a big problem in the ADOS movement.

Reparations are owed and should go only to ADOS, i think we all agree on that.

But when ADOS peeps talk about things like the wealth gap and stuff like that, it doesnt JUST include ADOS, it includes all of us.

Get some morning joe and have a listen. As Joe Madison says "she put it where the goats can get it"

If you can't understand what she's saying here you are just being a tool.

 
https://money.cnn.com/2017/09/28/media/blacktivist-russia-facebook-twitter/index.html

A social media campaign calling itself "Blacktivist" and linked to the Russian government used both Facebook and Twitter in an apparent attempt to amplify racial tensions during the U.S. presidential election.

Both Blacktivist accounts, each of which used the handle Blacktivists, regularly shared content intended to stoke outrage. "Black people should wake up as soon as possible," one post on the Twitter account read. "Black families are divided and destroyed by mass incarceration and death of black men," another read. The accounts also posted videos of police violence against African Americans.

The Blacktivist accounts provide further evidence that Russian-linked social media accounts saw racial tensions as something to be exploited in order to achieve the broader Russian goal of dividing Americans and creating chaos in U.S. politics during a campaign in which race repeatedly became an issue.


 
Get some morning joe and have a listen. As Joe Madison says "she put it where the goats can get it"

If you can't understand what she's saying here you are just being a tool.



joe madison is not a supporter of ADOS. lol

he may support some tenets of the movement. but he does not support stupid shit like "foundational black american." believe that shit.

i listen to madison every morning. i wish you would call him up and get cussed out for this bullshit. he would need a bigger swear jar.
 
joe madison is not a supporter of ADOS. lol

he may support some tenets of the movement. but he does not support stupid shit like "foundational black american." believe that shit.

i listen to madison every morning. i wish you would call him up and get cussed out for this bullshit. he would need a bigger swear jar.

What part of "As Joe Madison says "she put it where the goats can get it" and since you claim to listen everyday you knew exactly what I meant.

NOBODY said shit about Joe madison and him supporting ADOS...what you did right there is a full 1000% deflection because the sister's points were too much for you brain to handle or you chose not to listen to what she was describing.

clearly you are a freaking agent.
 
Get some morning joe and have a listen. As Joe Madison says "she put it where the goats can get it"

If you can't understand what she's saying here you are just being a tool.



Serious question, why do you quote me with stuff thats got absolutely nothing to do with what i wrote?

You even put my quote in bold but your video doesnt address it at all.

And for the record i am supportive of the movement.
 
What part of "As Joe Madison says "she put it where the goats can get it" and since you claim to listen everyday you knew exactly what I meant.

NOBODY said shit about Joe madison and him supporting ADOS...what you did right there is a full 1000% deflection because the sister's points were too much for you brain to handle or you chose not to listen to what she was describing.

clearly you are a freaking agent.

naw, i didn't listen. i readily admit that i didn't listen because supporting tenets of ADOS is not the point.

understanding the timing of the introduction of this organization and the division it is creating among all people of the diaspora is the point. understand that this sort of counterintelligence operation just happened is the point. clearly this is much too nuanced for you to understand.

foundational black american. foh. :lol:
 
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I don’t know much about this Yvette woman but Is it true that she is an out lesbian? Cause if so that is a fascinating discussion


Also on the real.... this really does remind me of the flat earth discussion. All the same beats are here.
She has a white lesbian lover living with her in her mama's basement!!
Bruh !! It never ends :roflmao:
 
naw, i didn't listen. i readily admit that i didn't listen because supporting tenets of ADOS is not the point.

understanding the timing of the introduction of this organization and the division is is creating among all people of the diaspora is the point. understand that this sort of counterintelligence operation just happened is the point. clearly this is much too nuanced for you to understand.

foundational black american. foh. :lol:
Tariq came up with FBA foundational black American once he began to realize the weak links that would sink the movement was Yvette n ToneTalks n as a hustler hes trying to wrestle the drip he foresees could come from the movement, jokers n clowns now
 
I’d had no issue if they left it at redistribution of wealth and reparations.... but you can not ignore the bare fact that the first thing on the Agenda is to change the census to separate ADOS to black immigrants and then to have affirmative action programs to only ADOS..
I'd have no problems if affirmative action went to only ADOS ,if they had kept it there, it would've gotten less pushback n probably more discussions n debates but that would've probably paved the way for some actual gains for ADOS ........
but...u see , the current movements heads r famously known for their anti-afrikan immigrants stance, she belittles ,demonizes n uses categorization that r akin to white supremacists talking point in referring to foreign blacks especially Nigerians,
she skews data to paint them in the worst lights possible and denigrates Pan-afrikanism as If PAN Africanism cant support ADOS ,she allowed her personal foolish uninformed biases to paint her views of the movements and that is the poison that I wanted about that , which has tainted her movement (which is nothing new but reperations /affirmative action corrective restructuring under another name .)
People were mad n tried to call me all sorts of names becos I cautioned them against the xenophobic nature it took becos i said the movement is right but the xenophobia isnt even a needed addition so why r they allowing n defending it. ? It showed me that Deep down alot of folks in this movement really desire xenophobia
 
I'd have no problems if affirmative action went to only ADOS ,if they had kept it there, it would've gotten less pushback n probably more discussions n debates but that would've probably paved the way for some actual gains for ADOS ........
but...u see , the current movements heads r famously known for their anti-afrikan immigrants stance, she belittles ,demonizes n uses categorization that r akin to white supremacists talking point in referring to foreign blacks especially Nigerians,
she skews data to paint them in the worst lights possible and denigrates Pan-afrikanism as If PAN Africanism cant support ADOS ,she allowed her personal foolish uninformed biases to paint her views of the movements and that is the poison that I wanted about that , which has tainted her movement (which is nothing new but reperations /affirmative action corrective restructuring under another name .)
People were mad n tried to call me all sorts of names becos I cautioned them against the xenophobic nature it took becos i said the movement is right but the xenophobia isnt even a needed addition so why r they allowing n defending it. ? It showed me that Deep down alot of folks in this movement really desire xenophobia

And if they did want xenophobia which they dont, what would or could you do about it? ADOS outnumbers non ADOS Democrats by a lot. You dont have the numbers sir or resources ADOS has.
 
I'd have no problems if affirmative action went to only ADOS ,if they had kept it there, it would've gotten less pushback n probably more discussions n debates but that would've probably paved the way for some actual gains for ADOS ........
but...u see , the current movements heads r famously known for their anti-afrikan immigrants stance, she belittles ,demonizes n uses categorization that r akin to white supremacists talking point in referring to foreign blacks especially Nigerians,
she skews data to paint them in the worst lights possible and denigrates Pan-afrikanism as If PAN Africanism cant support ADOS ,she allowed her personal foolish uninformed biases to paint her views of the movements and that is the poison that I wanted about that , which has tainted her movement (which is nothing new but reperations /affirmative action corrective restructuring under another name .)
People were mad n tried to call me all sorts of names becos I cautioned them against the xenophobic nature it took becos i said the movement is right but the xenophobia isnt even a needed addition so why r they allowing n defending it. ? It showed me that Deep down alot of folks in this movement really desire xenophobia

My issue is that I've got no clue how you would Define.. an American Descendant of Slavery.

So is this the reason why we are even having this discussion...

Who is black in America? Ethnic tensions flare between black Americans and black immigrants.

As soon as it was announced that filming would start for a Harriet Tubman biopic with British Nigerian actress Cynthia Erivo as the lead, a social media fury erupted.

An online appeal went up demanding that an African American woman be cast as Tubman, who, after escaping slavery, made more than a dozen trips to lead others to freedom on the Underground Railroad.


In the Change.org petition, which garnered 1,123 signatures by Oct. 17, organizer Tyler Holmes wrote: "We will boycott the film Harriet until you hire an actual black American actress to play the part."


Part of the anger directed at Erivo was that social media users unearthed an old tweet where Erivo had mocked a "ghetto American accent." Critics said she denigrated African Americans on one hand, but sought to portray an iconic African American hero on the other.

This came after a tangle in August when Nigerian-born blogger and author Luvvie Ajayi wrote that Tevin Campbell was too obscure a choice to sing at Aretha Franklin's funeral. "Under what rock did they pull that name from?" Ajayi quipped. The Twitter response was livid.

Such arguments, dubbed by some "the diaspora war," reveal more than preferences over movie roles and pop culture. The rancor provides a peek into a debate about identity in America, raising questions about how a changing black population — increasingly diversewith immigrants and refugees from Africa, the Caribbean, Britain, and elsewhere — sees itself and is seen by the majority.

Who is black in America? Can there be unity based on skin color alone? Who gets to speak for African Americans?

Although there is more nuance to the arguments, the sides often go like this: Black immigrants are respected more than black Americans, all the while benefiting from reparations meant to right evils of America's past. That's led to some black Americans redefining themselves as "American Descendants of Slavery" to spotlight their claim on America's promises. Meanwhile, immigrants discover they're newly identified as "black" in a white nation — an unnecessary distinction in Nigeria, Ghana, or Jamaica — and say that when pulled over by cops, no one cares whether they have a charming accent.


These identity issues are showing up at universities, during marches, and at theaters, and raise questions of whether these diverging groups can, or want to, build coalitions for political change.

We talked to a number of experts — immigrants and Americans — to help explain the origins of the tension and how the issue is playing out.

One source of contention is who benefits from “diversity” efforts.
For decades, researchers have studied how universities are increasing the numbers of black students at majority-white colleges. But some of the current tensions between immigrants and African Americans can be traced to a theory that the nation's most selective universities have shifted away from racial-justice remedies — things like affirmative action that were put in place to right the wrongs of slavery and Jim Crow segregation — by using diversity as a goal instead.

A study published in the American Journal of Education in 2007 found that immigrants or children of immigrants, while making up 13 percent of the nation's black 18- and 19-year-olds — accounted for 41 percent of blacks admitted to Ivy League schools.


"If it's about getting black faces at Harvard, then you're doing fine," Mary C. Waters, the former chair of Harvard's sociology department, told the New York Times about a need for a philosophical discussion on affirmative action. "If it's about making up for 200 to 500 years of slavery in this country and its aftermath, then you're not doing well."

Compounding the tension is a fivefold increase in the black immigrant population in recent decades. There were 4.2 million black immigrants living in the United States in 2016, up from 816,000 in 1980, according to a Pew Research Center report. As more black immigrants experience success, they get what Fordham University professor Christina M. Greer calls "elevated minority status."

"Foreign-born blacks are often perceived by whites and even black Americans as different and 'special' — as harder-working and more productive citizens than their black American counterparts," Greer wrote in her book Black Ethnics: Race, Immigration, and the Pursuit of the American Dream.

It's a phenomenon that academics started noticing decades ago — that immigrants generally are "strivers" who work hard to better their lives.


It's not quite an apples-to-apples comparison, though.

Onoso Imoagene, a University of Pennsylvania sociologist born in Nigeria, who studies African immigrants and how they adapt to discrimination in America, said that although more than half of Nigerians in America are college-educated, just 7 percent of Nigerians living abroad have at least a bachelor's degree. So those who end up in the United States are the most educated — "a hyper-selected group," she said.

Immigrants don’t carry the same racial trauma as Americans, experts say.
Even before immigrants come here, said Amy Yeboah, an assistant professor of African American studies at Howard University and the American-born daughter of Ghanian parents, they have an advantage American blacks often don't.

"If you are educated in Ghana, your level of education will be different from what you get in the Bronx," said Yeboah, who grew up in New York and earned her undergraduate and doctoral degrees from Temple University. "Students who apply from Ghana compared to those who are born here will do better, because they are prepared better."


Harvard professor Lani Guinier told the Washington Post that immigrants have an added benefit.

"In part, it has to do with coming from a country … where blacks were in the majority and did not experience the stigma that black children did in the United States," she said.

Immigrants are not oblivious to discrimination in their home countries, said Imoagene. It's just that those experiences haven't involved skin color.

"We have our own axes of stratification, when you think of ethnic lines [in Nigeria] — whether you are Yoruba or Igbo, or Christian or Muslim," she said. "Then you come here and find out you're [also] black, and have to learn the racial meanings attached to that status."

What’s resulted is a movement to declare who is entitled to what.
Some black Americans want to redefine themselves as an "American Descendant of Slavery," or ADOS, rather than African American.

Antonio Moore, a lawyer in California, and Yvette Carnell, a former journalist and congressional aide, appear to be leading the charge. The two make regular YouTube videos arguing that people whose ancestors were enslaved have a "justice claim" that black immigrants don't.

"We have been doing 'people of color' politics, but if you want to talk about what people who have been identified as African Americans need and what we are owed, then we have to change that definition." Carnell said.

On her videos, she has often criticized former President Barack Obama for saying this is a nation of immigrants. "We were not immigrants. We were property, we were chattel slaves. That's a difference."

Neither Americans nor immigrants are a monolith.
Michelle Saahene's voice was heard around the world when she spoke in April at the Center City Starbucks where a manager called the police on two black American men because they asked to use the bathroom without placing an order.

"They didn't do anything," Saahene, of Philadelphia, said in the viral video of the incident.

Raised in Central Pennsylvania, Saahene, now 32, said it was difficult for her to negotiate her racial identity as the daughter of immigrants growing up in Palmyra, a predominantly white town near Lebanon. Her teachers treated her well because she excelled in school. But at Pennsylvania State University and other places, she felt she got the cold shoulder from African American students.


Earlier this year, Rosita Johnson, a retired Philadelphia teacher, was honored by the South African government for her efforts starting in the '80s to support a school for children who fled to Tanzania after the Soweto protests of white rule.


At her Germantown home, the 86-year-old talked about the tensions between some Americans and Africans. A fractured black population, she said, only helps those in power.

"It's a divide-and-conquer tactic," said Johnson, "because African Americans are Africans. These are our cousins. If you're African American, you're related to somebody over there. Unfortunately, because of slavery and colonization, all people of African descent have suffered from racism. I call it a mental illness."


Since those times, she has traveled back to Ghana. At Elmina Castle, where captured Africans were held before being taken on ships destined for the Americas, she wept.

"I … imagined what it was like to experience the torture, the rape and murder, and I looked out on the ocean and imagined being on a boat, sailing away, and I got sick to my stomach. When I got back to America, it was impossible for me to look at all African Americans and not see them as my possible brothers and sisters, neighbors and family and friends in Africa.

"To me, this feud between Africans and African Americans, it's terrible and it needs to stop."

https://www.philly.com/philly/news/...-american-descendants-of-slaves-20181018.html


So we have a social media campaign against an African woman playing Harriet Tubman.. When Harriet's grandmother was African and her mother was likely half white... But :hmm: whatever..

Man sweet jesus... Social Media is fucking killing us.



 
And if they did want xenophobia which they dont, what would or could you do about it? ADOS outnumbers non ADOS Democrats by a lot. You dont have the numbers sir or resources ADOS has.

That sounds alot like a cac telling you they outnumber you by alot so fuck your reparations. What are you gonna do about it?

Maybe you should cool off your cac talking points and realize that this isnt a Democrat thing for us, its a black family thing.
 
And if they did want xenophobia which they dont, what would or could you do about it? ADOS outnumbers non ADOS Democrats by a lot. You dont have the numbers sir or resources ADOS has.
So u admit there is xenophobia in the movement by trying to deny but saying "So what If we want xenophobia what u gon do about it"? Pretty much admitting it.
But one of the tenents of ur claim is that non ADOS (foreign blacks to be specific r taking things from ADOS ....funny yall ain't attacking or complaining about white women as much who actually outnumber foreign blacks or even Europeans who move here, yall vitriolic mainly reserved for foreign blacks especially Nigerians!!!)

And check this yall !!
U claim
"ADOS outnumbers non ADOS Democrats by a lot. You dont have the numbers sir or resources ADOS has."

So if u outnumber & have more resources than NonADOS democrats what is ur complain about them taking numbers & resources?

Jokers n clowns!!:roflmao::hithead:
 
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That sounds alot like a cac telling you they outnumber you by alot so fuck your reparations. What are you gonna do about it?

Maybe you should cool off your cac talking points and realize that this isnt a Democrat thing for us, its a black family thing.
U noticed that right ?
Bruh?! that guy is saying he is fine with xenophobia !!
Jokers n clowns

Like I said IT ALL COMES OUT IN THE WASH
 
That sounds alot like a cac telling you they outnumber you by alot so fuck your reparations. What are you gonna do about it?

Maybe you should cool off your cac talking points and realize that this isnt a Democrat thing for us, its a black family thing.

No, sounds like in a Democracy, majority rules thing. You simply dont have the numbers to go at ADOS and youre too dependent on ADOS. If i were in Haiti, Itd be the same deal. As a vocal minority I cant dictate policy to the cultural majority. I wouldnt even be arrogant enough to think I could. But I respect the people of Haiti and the culture and systems they put in place before me. Its ADOS turn now brother.
 
U noticed that right ?
Bruh?! that guy is saying he is fine with xenophobia !!
Jokers n clowns

Like I said IT ALL COMES OUT IN THE WASH

And you guys tell us to forget our ancestors for the cracker Democrats. But we "brothers", foh wit that coon shit. How are you gonna survive without ADOS?
 
Also I swear to gawd... I wish they used a different name.

Do they kats even realize that ADOS is the spectrum test for Autism.
https://research.agre.org/program/aboutados.cfm

More importantly it is the name of a Russian Computer Operating system..

Which is why my first comment in both of the ADOS threads that I've been in was "Is this a operating system or Isn't this a operating system"


ADOS is the operating system for the Russian Iskra-1030.

"The computer was shipped with ADOS, a Russian version of MS-DOS/PC-DOS 2.x and 3.x, a BASIC interpreter, the special language and interpreter for accounting calculations YAMB (Russian: ЯМБ, Язык машин бухгалтерских), the text editor R1. The operating system used the main code page, hardwired into the display ROM; it was compatible neither with CP 866 nor CP 855, although partially with ISO/IEC 8859-5."

http://www.popflock.com/learn?s=Iskra-1030


But you know... whatever.. Just another coincidence o_O
 
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My issue is that I've got no clue how you would Define.. an American Descendant of Slavery.

So is this the reason why we are even having this discussion...

Who is black in America? Ethnic tensions flare between black Americans and black immigrants.

As soon as it was announced that filming would start for a Harriet Tubman biopic with British Nigerian actress Cynthia Erivo as the lead, a social media fury erupted.

An online appeal went up demanding that an African American woman be cast as Tubman, who, after escaping slavery, made more than a dozen trips to lead others to freedom on the Underground Railroad.


In the Change.org petition, which garnered 1,123 signatures by Oct. 17, organizer Tyler Holmes wrote: "We will boycott the film Harriet until you hire an actual black American actress to play the part."


Part of the anger directed at Erivo was that social media users unearthed an old tweet where Erivo had mocked a "ghetto American accent." Critics said she denigrated African Americans on one hand, but sought to portray an iconic African American hero on the other.

This came after a tangle in August when Nigerian-born blogger and author Luvvie Ajayi wrote that Tevin Campbell was too obscure a choice to sing at Aretha Franklin's funeral. "Under what rock did they pull that name from?" Ajayi quipped. The Twitter response was livid.

Such arguments, dubbed by some "the diaspora war," reveal more than preferences over movie roles and pop culture. The rancor provides a peek into a debate about identity in America, raising questions about how a changing black population — increasingly diversewith immigrants and refugees from Africa, the Caribbean, Britain, and elsewhere — sees itself and is seen by the majority.

Who is black in America? Can there be unity based on skin color alone? Who gets to speak for African Americans?

Although there is more nuance to the arguments, the sides often go like this: Black immigrants are respected more than black Americans, all the while benefiting from reparations meant to right evils of America's past. That's led to some black Americans redefining themselves as "American Descendants of Slavery" to spotlight their claim on America's promises. Meanwhile, immigrants discover they're newly identified as "black" in a white nation — an unnecessary distinction in Nigeria, Ghana, or Jamaica — and say that when pulled over by cops, no one cares whether they have a charming accent.


These identity issues are showing up at universities, during marches, and at theaters, and raise questions of whether these diverging groups can, or want to, build coalitions for political change.

We talked to a number of experts — immigrants and Americans — to help explain the origins of the tension and how the issue is playing out.

One source of contention is who benefits from “diversity” efforts.
For decades, researchers have studied how universities are increasing the numbers of black students at majority-white colleges. But some of the current tensions between immigrants and African Americans can be traced to a theory that the nation's most selective universities have shifted away from racial-justice remedies — things like affirmative action that were put in place to right the wrongs of slavery and Jim Crow segregation — by using diversity as a goal instead.

A study published in the American Journal of Education in 2007 found that immigrants or children of immigrants, while making up 13 percent of the nation's black 18- and 19-year-olds — accounted for 41 percent of blacks admitted to Ivy League schools.


"If it's about getting black faces at Harvard, then you're doing fine," Mary C. Waters, the former chair of Harvard's sociology department, told the New York Times about a need for a philosophical discussion on affirmative action. "If it's about making up for 200 to 500 years of slavery in this country and its aftermath, then you're not doing well."

Compounding the tension is a fivefold increase in the black immigrant population in recent decades. There were 4.2 million black immigrants living in the United States in 2016, up from 816,000 in 1980, according to a Pew Research Center report. As more black immigrants experience success, they get what Fordham University professor Christina M. Greer calls "elevated minority status."

"Foreign-born blacks are often perceived by whites and even black Americans as different and 'special' — as harder-working and more productive citizens than their black American counterparts," Greer wrote in her book Black Ethnics: Race, Immigration, and the Pursuit of the American Dream.

It's a phenomenon that academics started noticing decades ago — that immigrants generally are "strivers" who work hard to better their lives.


It's not quite an apples-to-apples comparison, though.

Onoso Imoagene, a University of Pennsylvania sociologist born in Nigeria, who studies African immigrants and how they adapt to discrimination in America, said that although more than half of Nigerians in America are college-educated, just 7 percent of Nigerians living abroad have at least a bachelor's degree. So those who end up in the United States are the most educated — "a hyper-selected group," she said.

Immigrants don’t carry the same racial trauma as Americans, experts say.
Even before immigrants come here, said Amy Yeboah, an assistant professor of African American studies at Howard University and the American-born daughter of Ghanian parents, they have an advantage American blacks often don't.

"If you are educated in Ghana, your level of education will be different from what you get in the Bronx," said Yeboah, who grew up in New York and earned her undergraduate and doctoral degrees from Temple University. "Students who apply from Ghana compared to those who are born here will do better, because they are prepared better."


Harvard professor Lani Guinier told the Washington Post that immigrants have an added benefit.

"In part, it has to do with coming from a country … where blacks were in the majority and did not experience the stigma that black children did in the United States," she said.

Immigrants are not oblivious to discrimination in their home countries, said Imoagene. It's just that those experiences haven't involved skin color.

"We have our own axes of stratification, when you think of ethnic lines [in Nigeria] — whether you are Yoruba or Igbo, or Christian or Muslim," she said. "Then you come here and find out you're [also] black, and have to learn the racial meanings attached to that status."

What’s resulted is a movement to declare who is entitled to what.
Some black Americans want to redefine themselves as an "American Descendant of Slavery," or ADOS, rather than African American.

Antonio Moore, a lawyer in California, and Yvette Carnell, a former journalist and congressional aide, appear to be leading the charge. The two make regular YouTube videos arguing that people whose ancestors were enslaved have a "justice claim" that black immigrants don't.

"We have been doing 'people of color' politics, but if you want to talk about what people who have been identified as African Americans need and what we are owed, then we have to change that definition." Carnell said.

On her videos, she has often criticized former President Barack Obama for saying this is a nation of immigrants. "We were not immigrants. We were property, we were chattel slaves. That's a difference."

Neither Americans nor immigrants are a monolith.
Michelle Saahene's voice was heard around the world when she spoke in April at the Center City Starbucks where a manager called the police on two black American men because they asked to use the bathroom without placing an order.

"They didn't do anything," Saahene, of Philadelphia, said in the viral video of the incident.

Raised in Central Pennsylvania, Saahene, now 32, said it was difficult for her to negotiate her racial identity as the daughter of immigrants growing up in Palmyra, a predominantly white town near Lebanon. Her teachers treated her well because she excelled in school. But at Pennsylvania State University and other places, she felt she got the cold shoulder from African American students.


Earlier this year, Rosita Johnson, a retired Philadelphia teacher, was honored by the South African government for her efforts starting in the '80s to support a school for children who fled to Tanzania after the Soweto protests of white rule.


At her Germantown home, the 86-year-old talked about the tensions between some Americans and Africans. A fractured black population, she said, only helps those in power.

"It's a divide-and-conquer tactic," said Johnson, "because African Americans are Africans. These are our cousins. If you're African American, you're related to somebody over there. Unfortunately, because of slavery and colonization, all people of African descent have suffered from racism. I call it a mental illness."


Since those times, she has traveled back to Ghana. At Elmina Castle, where captured Africans were held before being taken on ships destined for the Americas, she wept.

"I … imagined what it was like to experience the torture, the rape and murder, and I looked out on the ocean and imagined being on a boat, sailing away, and I got sick to my stomach. When I got back to America, it was impossible for me to look at all African Americans and not see them as my possible brothers and sisters, neighbors and family and friends in Africa.

"To me, this feud between Africans and African Americans, it's terrible and it needs to stop."

https://www.philly.com/philly/news/...-american-descendants-of-slaves-20181018.html


So we have a social media campaign against an African woman playing Harriet Tubman.. When Harriet's grandmother was African and her mother was likely half white... But :hmm: whatever..

Man sweet jesus... Social Media is fucking killing us.



Good drop bruh , thanks , this sister's piece also touched alot of points I always make , hers is more eloquently put, like I said I still believe ADOS should n could get a specific designation that would be applied to only ADOS aint nothing really wrong with that but the xenophobia n conflating non related items and the bs political posturing n the indirect "dont vote unless u get ALL ADOS specific needs met by DEMOCRATS ALONE in the next year before 2020 elections " which really is just an indirect way to give Republicans more wins . Wonder why Ann Coulter jumped on the bandwagon?They never have smoke for any Republicans
 
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Good drop bruh , thanks , this sister's piece also touched alot of points I always make , hers is more eloquently put, like I said I still believe ADOS should n could get a specific designation that would be applied to only ADOS aint nothing wrong with that but the xenophobia n the bs political posturing n the indirect "dont vote unless u get ALL ADOS specific needs met by DEMOCRATS ALONE in the next year before 2020 elections " which really is just an indirect way to give Republicans more wins . Wonder why Ann Coulter jumped on the bandwagon?They never have smoke for any Republicans

If Republicans and white women was in here telling us to forget our ancestors in favor of some bullshit candidates we would have smoke for them too. But they aint.

Again I ask, how are you a non ADOS Democrat gonna survive without ADOS? Thats 30 million "xenophobes". Are you going to do business and live amongst cacs?
 
Also I swear to gawd... I wish they used a different name.

Do they kats even realize that ADOS is the spectrum test for Autism.


More importantly it is the name of a Russian Computer Operating system..

Which is why my first comment in both of the ADOS threads that I've been in was "Is this a operating system or Isn't this a operating system"


ADOS is the operating system for the Russian Iskra-1030.

"The computer was shipped with ADOS, a Russian version of MS-DOS/PC-DOS 2.x and 3.x, a BASIC interpreter, the special language and interpreter for accounting calculations YAMB (Russian: ЯМБ, Язык машин бухгалтерских), the text editor R1. The operating system used the main code page, hardwired into the display ROM; it was compatible neither with CP 866 nor CP 855, although partially with ISO/IEC 8859-5."

http://www.popflock.com/learn?s=Iskra-1030


But you know... whatever.. Just another coincidence o_O

Aahh sheeeiiiiitttt!! I never got the connection when u first asked it , I thought u was bugging or just being silly !!
Dead !!
:lol::roflmao::roflmao2::roflmao3:
Jokers n clowns I tell ya
 
If Republicans and white women was in here telling us to forget our ancestors in favor of some bullshit candidates we would have smoke for them too. But they aint.

Again I ask, how are you a non ADOS Democrat gonna survive without ADOS? Thats 30 million "xenophobes". Are you going to do business and live amongst cacs?
Waiiitttt.....whaaatt? U mean like ur newfound ally AnnCoulter (white Republican woman)
Republicans don't actually tell u to forget ur ancestors ! REALLY?
oh boy :hithead:
...
There are no 30 million xenophobes, the only ones I see r attached to Yvette&Tonetalks rhetoric movement... huge difference

Dont even know how to unpack all u just TRIED to do
 
Waiiitttt.....whaaatt? U mean like ur newfound ally AnnCoulter (white Republican woman)
Republicans don't actually tell u to forget ur ancestors ! REALLY?
oh boy :hithead:
...
There are no 30 million xenophobes, the only ones I see r attached to Yvette&Tonetalks rhetoric movement... huge difference

Dont even know how to unpack all u just TRIED to do

There are 30 million ADOS in this country. You said ADOS have a propensity for xenophobia. When I ask how do you survive without them you dodge the question. Do you do business with xenophobes? Do you live amongst xenophobes? Are you afraid?

You represent a vocal minority of those opposing ADOS, but you rely too heavily on us as a group to block any change.
 
So u admit there is xenophobia in the movement by trying to deny but saying "So what If we want xenophobia what u gon do about it"? Pretty much admitting it.
But one of the tenents of ur claim is that non ADOS (foreign blacks to be specific r taking things from ADOS ....funny yall ain't attacking or complaining about white women as much who actually outnumber foreign blacks or even Europeans who move here, yall vitriolic mainly reserved for foreign blacks especially Nigerians!!!)

And check this yall !!
U claim
"ADOS outnumbers non ADOS Democrats by a lot. You dont have the numbers sir or resources ADOS has."

So if u outnumber & have more resources than NonADOS democrats what is ur complain about them taking numbers & resources?

Jokers n clowns!!:roflmao::hithead:

better yet if they have the numbers why don't they vote locally to take over and make policy that makes their demands happen.
 
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