Kevin Love Traded for Wiggins, Bennett, and future pick

[Spectrum]

Bullshit.

Davis is better at finishing down low, driving the ball and moving without the ball. Thats where his advantages end offensively

Love actually has better low post, back to the basket moves

Let's not talk about what he can do. Let's talk about what he does. Love shot 500 three pointers last season. We're not talking about his rookie season. We're talking about this most recent play. He's rarely in the low post. Love has turned into a stretch four that likes to shoot 3 pointers. I even posted an article today with his shot chart. GTFOH! You can't be a better low post player when you're never in the damn paint. Davis scores way more points in the paint from the post than Love.

. Davis likes to face up his opponents and drive the ball. He has no low post moves.

He has the same amount of low post moves as Love and he actually shoots in the post. Love shot 800 of his 1300 shots outside of the paint. He's a perimeter player now. Did you watch him this season? You're confusing the player he was with the player he's become. Love is rarely in the paint now. I also posted a long article just today about that very issue.

Davis and Love are equal in the mid-range game.

That's a lie. Go to http://vorped.com/ and looked it up. Davis shoots at higher clip in the midrange by multiple percentage points. He also takes more attempts. Higher percentage while also taking more attempts >>>>>>>

He also shoots 10 percent higher in the paint because he's a better offensive player in the paint. He's faster, handles the ball better, and shoots better with both hands.

You conveniently forgot that basketball players pass the ball to each other. Thats an offensive skill, by the way.

I didn't forget shit. I named the areas where Davis was better. I've already stated multiple times on this board that Love is one of the better passing big man in the league.

Davis gets a lot of his points in transition. Love is alot more useful in the half court.

Love is more useful if your team explicitly lack outside shooting. It depends on what your needs are.. mid-range.. pick and roll..points in the paint, offensive efficiency, it's not close. I posted analytics a couple of months ago that illustrated how Davis was one of the top pick and roll players in the league and that was only rookie season analysis http://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on...ony-davis-offense-is-what-makes-him-promising

Love is a better passer and shoots the long ball better. That's it. Offensively, it's a wash at best.

Defensively.. Love is a bum and Davis is top 5 defensive players in the league.

You muthafuckas always confusing low percentage volume shooters as "better" offensive players solely because they score more points.

 

[RoadRage]

Bosh sure did impact the heat and their 2 championships.. it sure was him with the crucial shots and rebounds lol.

just because you don't like bosh doesn't mean what im saying isn't true.

Love is a notch below bosh they are not on the same level.

You are assuming Love would have missed those wide ass shots and not contribute and prosper if he played on those heat teams..
Look the primary job of a PF is to box out , rebound and keep the ball alive on the board, the Heat was worst in the league and Love was the bust over the past three seasons. Give me the guy who knows how to play his position over a guy who got shut out in a game 7 close out game.

 

[LSN]

could you keep putting your texts in bold? thanks lol

You are assuming Love would have missed those wide ass shots and not contribute and prosper if he played on those heat teams..
Look the primary job of a PF is to box out , rebound and keep the ball alive on the board, the Heat was worst in the league and Love was the bust over the past three seasons. Give me the guy who knows how to play his position over a guy who got shut out in a game 7 close out game.

 

[Smoke Van Gundy]

Minnesota was my sleeper team in the West a couple seasons ago but Love got hurt. Love gets hurt every year. Just like Kyrie. Would have made sense to keep Wiggins who look like a young Pip to me but ehh

Im interested to see how this Minnesota team with Levine and Wiggins plays out. They got some young pieces with Rubio running the point its Lob City

 

[Amajorfucup]

could you keep putting your texts in bold? thanks lol

Meds wore off.

 

[RoadRage]

Bosh sure did impact the heat and their 2 championships.. it sure was him with the crucial shots and rebounds lol.

just because you don't like bosh doesn't mean what im saying isn't true.

Love is a notch below bosh they are not on the same level.

You are assuming Love would have missed those wide ass shots and not contribute and prosper if he played on those heat teams..
Look the primary job of a PF is to box out , rebound and keep the ball alive on the board, the Heat was worst in the league and Love was the bust over the past three seasons. Give me the guy who knows how to play his position over a guy who got shut out in a game 7 close out game.

 

[Spectrum]

With LeBron And Love, The Cavs Have About 65 Wins On Their Roster

http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/cleveland-cavaliers-lebron-james-kevin-love-trade-wins/

 

[LordSinister]

I'm finna turn the "heat" up in here and watch Road Rage cramp up.

Sup man? You riding LeBron back to Cleveland? I wasn't bullshitting about them 24 hour bans. You need to fill out an official BGOL bandwagon application and send it with $20 to the HNIC

 

[RoadRage]

I'm finna turn the "heat" up in here and watch Road Rage cramp up.

Sup man? You riding LeBron back to Cleveland? I wasn't bullshitting about them 24 hour bans. You need to fill out an official BGOL bandwagon application and send it with $20 to the HNIC

I understand his move to the Cavs just like I understood his move to the Heat.
As a fan, I find it harder rooting for this version of the Cavs as opposed to the earlier version and the Heat club. But they do have talent and it will be fun watching them try to get it together with so many immature players and so many different styles.
Can they win it all, your guess as good as mine , cause you need talent, execution as well as proper strategy, and so far all I see is talent.

 

[LSN]

I gotta put this nigga on ignore...his posts are starting to blend in now

 

[RoadRage]

Still got love for the Heat, just like I always still had love for the Cavs…

 

[LordSinister]

Still got love for the Heat, just like I always still had love for the Cavs…

We don't allow Mormonism here. You can't have multiple teams and shit. Pic one!

 

[RoadRage]

We don't allow Mormonism here. You can't have multiple teams and shit. Pic one!

Man half of you folks went from Bobcats fans, to Nets cheerleaders, to Pacers Stans to Bromance lovers over the span of a week and yet ysll get on me for rooting fo two teams in 16 years.. Lol its all good, thats what sports is about..

 

[KingTaharqa]

We don't allow Mormonism here. You can't have multiple teams and shit. Pic one!

Unless its the Lakers and Bulls.

Never seen you talk to that 24 hour ban mess to the Kobe by day, Jordan by night, I-rooted-for-both "its ok to bite the GOAT blah, blah, blah" dickriders.

 

[RoadRage]

Minnesota was my sleeper team in the West a couple seasons ago but Love got hurt. Love gets hurt every year. Just like Kyrie. Would have made sense to keep Wiggins who look like a young Pip to me but ehh

Im interested to see how this Minnesota team with Levine and Wiggins plays out. They got some young pieces with Rubio running the point its Lob City

Love suffered from the superman trying to do too much syndrome.. Best way to injured in the NBA is by trying to do too much on a sack team.. This is what often kill bad teams, meanwhile it seems like stacked teams never get those types of injuries, well at least not as much..

 

[Day_Carver]

AGREE Man I know Love is good and all that..........BUT Bennett is only 2 years outta HS abd Wiggins only 1. Both of these dudes COULD be better than Love. Wiggins SHOULD be better than Love. Wiggins projects as a generational player. I woulda let them play with James and Kyrie....imagine how good Wiggins woulda been with that lineup!!!!!! Each year better and better, Wiggins woulda been All-Star second year in Cleveland. Bennett woulda been great there also. To me, Cleveland Fucked up. Since his rookie year, Love has missed time to injury every year.......Also...white players tend to break down more and faster than black players....remember that

Tell me what have u seen in Bennett that makes u think that hes going to be good?? or a true NBA Player?? You said Wiggins would be an AllStar in his 2nd year Based off what??? That dude has no jumper yet, and his handles aint that good; His mentality is wishy/washy right now; The only thing that this kid has thats exceptional is his athleticism...Please tell me what else does he have right now??

Lots of woulda coulda in this post. You know for certain love gonna give you 20-10. No idea what Wiggins gonna give you

Exactly

Detriment? Those dudes won like 3 games last year. I think they'll be ok. Why are people so hung up on some passive aggressive kid that hasn't proven anything? I don't get it....he wouldn't have even been the 1st pick if Joel Embiid wasn't hurt.

I have asked this question alot and no one has answered it yet

I wish Inkosi the best but IMO he's fuckin up tryna be GM/coach/star player. I cant imagine him winning a title tryna handle all those roles. And despite what BGOL thinks this supporting cast IS a downgrade from Wade and Bosh. Inkosi doesnt seem pressed to win titles anymore and thats a lil dissapointing.

They will be in the NBA finals the next 2 years at least; I just dont think they can beat the spurs; maybe another western team, but not the spurs...

Love is not that good man. He isn't worth two overal #1s and another 1st rder.

That's insanity.

Love is the most empty numbers player in the game.

Cavs should have given that deal for Boogie Cousins or something.

LOL; yep Love isnt that good, but all these NBA GMs was trying to get him; Look at was on record as to what was offered for him; So I guess those basketball folks dont know either...

Most good teams play good defense... Look at the Lakers when they won with Gasol and Bynum, both meh individual defenders but in their scheme they were gangbusters..
It was a great trade for both teams, and all players involved (its rare you find a trade that is a win win for everybody).
Folks are trying to call it a bad trade just because it wasn't highway robbery, or because of some dumb ass logic, saying because the team didn't make the playoffs Love sucks... Well that may be the case if he was scoring 30pts while putting up 33 shots per game, but anytime you consistently grab those many rebounds, for that long, you must be doing something right... Oh as far as the no playoffs logic, I guess Demarcus Cousins sucks also and if the Pelicans don't make the playoffs this year Anthony Davis would all of a sudden suck also , hmmmm what do they both have in common with Love, lets see, both good big guys playing in the west with a team full of scrubs...
Now if you don't want Love or the Cavs to succeed, I can dig it, fans will do what fans do, but to stick you head in your ass just to make your mental gymnastics fit what you want, totally ignoring the stats and what Love has done over the past four years, then you are bugging...
I only have one question to ask folks, if its so easy to put up those numbers on a losing team, why don't more folks on losing teams do it..

YOU ARE CORRECT SIR...

I will say this from a fans point of view, in case those are wondering....
I find this Cav team harder for me to like than the old Cavs team and the Heat...
In my opinion both of those teams were greatly flawed and were almost over achieving underdogs.
We know how the old Cavs were, but the Heat were so weak, with out any rebounding or big man, it was amazing watching them play that style of play and win..
With this Cav roster, they almost remind me of the Lakers with Bynum and Gasol... They have a lot of big guys in the paint who can rebound, allowing their shooters to shoot all day with out worrying about being efficient.
I will root for them because I would love for Cleveland to finally win it all (their state is a big underdog) but it remains to be seen if this team can have the charm that both the old Cavs and the Heat had..

I dont think they are close to those lakers teams in terms of defense; Love doesnt play any, neither does Irving; So mabye from an offensive standpoint but nowhere close on defense...

 

[wiZe]

Unless its the Lakers and Bulls.

Never seen you talk to that 24 hour ban mess to the Kobe by day, Jordan by night, I-rooted-for-both "its ok to bite the GOAT blah, blah, blah" dickriders.

hmm...

 

[shaddyvillethug]

That nigga wiggins. Gonna be a smaller stromile Swift

 

[LordSinister]

Unless its the Lakers and Bulls.

Never seen you talk to that 24 hour ban mess to the Kobe by day, Jordan by night, I-rooted-for-both "its ok to bite the GOAT blah, blah, blah" dickriders.

Who?

And we are talking about band waggoners, not Jordan and Kobe stans.

Plus, no Jordan dick riders started sporting Wizards jerseys and shit.

 

[shaddyvillethug]

Wish I woulda got a jordan wizards jersey

Fuck outta here

 

[LordSinister]

Man half of you folks went from Bobcats fans, to Nets cheerleaders, to Pacers Stans to Bromance lovers over the span of a week and yet ysll get on me for rooting fo two teams in 16 years.. Lol its all good, thats what sports is about..

I can't speak for these other cats, but I've been a Laker fan since the days of Wilt, through Sweet Lou Hudson and Adrian Dantley, To showtime to the Doug Christie era til now.

Now I have to root for This Lego Haired Boozer and Lin's bitch ass.

Sometimes it sucks to be a "real fan".

Some of you cat's went to rooting for the Alliance, to the Empire and back to the alliance during star wars first trilogy.

 

[shaddyvillethug]

Doug Christie was on the lakers????

 

[AllState17]

Let's not talk about what he can do. Let's talk about what he does. Love shot 500 three pointers last season. We're not talking about his rookie season. We're talking about this most recent play. He's rarely in the low post. Love has turned into a stretch four that likes to shoot 3 pointers. I even posted an article today with his shot chart. GTFOH! You can't be a better low post player when you're never in the damn paint. Davis scores way more points in the paint from the post than Love.




He has the same amount of low post moves as Love and he actually shoots in the post. Love shot 800 of his 1300 shots outside of the paint. He's a perimeter player now. Did you watch him this season? You're confusing the player he was with the player he's become. Love is rarely in the paint now. I also posted a long article just today about that very issue.




That's a lie. Go to http://vorped.com/ and looked it up. Davis shoots at higher clip in the midrange by multiple percentage points. He also takes more attempts. Higher percentage while also taking more attempts >>>>>>>

He also shoots 10 percent higher in the paint because he's a better offensive player in the paint. He's faster, handles the ball better, and shoots better with both hands.



I didn't forget shit. I named the areas where Davis was better. I've already stated multiple times on this board that Love is one of the better passing big man in the league.



Love is more useful if your team explicitly lack outside shooting. It depends on what your needs are.. mid-range.. pick and roll..points in the paint, offensive efficiency, it's not close. I posted analytics a couple of months ago that illustrated how Davis was one of the top pick and roll players in the league and that was only rookie season analysis http://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on...ony-davis-offense-is-what-makes-him-promising

Love is a better passer and shoots the long ball better. That's it. Offensively, it's a wash at best.

Defensively.. Love is a bum and Davis is top 5 defensive players in the league.

You muthafuckas always confusing low percentage volume shooters as "better" offensive players solely because they score more points.

I never lie.

Take your own advice and look up the stats.

On 2pt shots outside of the paint Love is 39.7% on 345 shots. Davis is 39.6% on 376 shots.

So its exactly how I called it, they are equal in the mid-range game.

What you brought up about the amount of 3s Love shot like year is like saying Bosh has no post game, he is just a jump shooter. Its completely false. Bosh was used that way, or Id say mis-used but if last year is all you watched than you dont know what other skills he has.

Yes this whole comparison is more about fit then anything else, Ive already said that. But keep in mind that Love has the chance to go from a volume shooter to an efficient one with a superior cast now. We will see how he handles it.

 

[(0_0)..l.. finger]

Lebron will be the best in the league for 3 maybe 4 more years before he starts to break down. Wiggins will take 2-3 years or so to become as good as Kevin Love, if he ever gets that good.

Cleveland is trying to win now not build for the future. Good trade.

This is what these dudes don't understand...

 

[Spectrum]

What you brought up about the amount of 3s Love shot like year is like saying Bosh has no post game, he is just a jump shooter

Bosh had a system and coach keeping him out of the post so that he could spread the floor. Love had no such thing. He just decided to play out on the perimeter as he fell in love with the long-ball. Bosh did what the coaching staff asked of him. It's a huge difference. Now taking out circumstances: Bosh had a much better post game than Love.

Love scores 12.4 percent of his points on mid-range shots. That's one out of every 10! That means your mid-range game is practically non-existent.

Let me make a comparison for you. Carmelo Anthony scored 30 percent of his points from mid-range.

All Love did in the mid-range was face up and shoot. Bosh, Anthony, and Davis did much more in the mid-range. Off the dribble shoot and pull, pick and roll mid-range, etc. So he shot a higher percentage on more shots and scored in more ways from the mid-range. He was a better mid-range player than Love this season.

Yes this whole comparison is more about fit then anything else, Ive already said that. But keep in mind that Love has the chance to go from a volume shooter to an efficient one with a superior cast now. We will see how he handles it.

That wasn't the argument. You jumped in the argument late and completely missed the point of what I specifically quoted an argued against.

I've made long posts about how Love is going to fit into the Cavs OFFENSE and Ive stated before how much of an impact Lebron has on his teams' shooting percentage. That's not the issue.

While acknowledging that, I then illustrated that saying Love was "the best PF in the game" is absurd because it is. You can't only score 4 more points while taking 5 more shots and then rank at the bottom of the league in defense vs being top 5 and be a better PF than Davis. It's crazy to even argue that. I wasn't arguing with the other poster about whether or not Davis of Love would be a better fit for the Cavs.

No legitimate analyst is ranking Love over Davis and even several GMs are on the record saying so..and that's only after his second season.

 

[MonkeyBizness]

Bennett probably had the worst rookie season of a first overall pick ever. The fuck the TWolves doing accepting him and NOT shipping off at least one of their bad contracts in exchange. Glen Taylor stay losing.

 

[KingTaharqa]

Plus, no Jordan dick riders started sporting Wizards jerseys and shit.

Yes they did. His Wizards jerseys were top sellers.

And most Laker fans I know hopped on the Bulls bandwagon in the 90s, its why yall were so happy to get Phil, and why yall give Kobe so much props for "mimicking" Jordan instead of Magic.

 

[Spectrum]

Bennett probably had the worst rookie season of a first overall pick ever. The fuck the TWolves doing accepting him and NOT shipping off at least one of their bad contracts in exchange. Glen Taylor stay losing.

Yeah. Dude shot like 35 percent from the field. I guess they're just banking on Coach Brown completely botching his development and him being out of shape were the real issues.

 

[AllState17]

Bosh had a system and coach keeping him out of the post so that he could spread the floor. Love had no such thing. He just decided to play out on the perimeter as he fell in love with the long-ball. Bosh did what the coaching staff asked of him. It's a huge difference. Now taking out circumstances: Bosh had a much better post game than Love.

Love scores 12.4 percent of his points on mid-range shots. That's one out of every 10! That means your mid-range game is practically non-existent.

Let me make a comparison for you. Carmelo Anthony scored 30 percent of his points from mid-range.

All Love did in the mid-range was face up and shoot. Bosh, Anthony, and Davis did much more in the mid-range. Off the dribble shoot and pull, pick and roll mid-range, etc. So he shot a higher percentage on more shots and scored in more ways from the mid-range. He was a better mid-range player than Love this season.



That wasn't the argument. You jumped in the argument late and completely missed the point of what I specifically quoted an argued against.

I've made long posts about how Love is going to fit into the Cavs OFFENSE and Ive stated before how much of an impact Lebron has on his teams' shooting percentage. That's not the issue.

While acknowledging that, I then illustrated that saying Love was "the best PF in the game" is absurd because it is. You can't only score 4 more points while taking 5 more shots and then rank at the bottom of the league in defense vs being top 5 and be a better PF than Davis. It's crazy to even argue that. I wasn't arguing with the other poster about whether or not Davis of Love would be a better fit for the Cavs.

No legitimate analyst is ranking Love over Davis and even several GMs are on the record saying so..and that's only after his second season.

Fair enough. I would never argue picking for Love over Davis straight up. And Ive never called Love the best PF at any point ever.

 

[DeadGiveAway]

Kevin Love is a great addition to the Cavs, I see Lebron is truly running things in Cleveland

 

[ApexV]

Y'all said that same shit about Lebron and Dirk. How can you see an eye of the tiger in a 19 year old who just got out of college let alone high school?

Exactly the same thing have saying to people.

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

You are assuming Love would have missed those wide ass shots and not contribute and prosper if he played on those heat teams..
Look the primary job of a PF is to box out , rebound and keep the ball alive on the board, the Heat was worst in the league and Love was the bust over the past three seasons. Give me the guy who knows how to play his position over a guy who got shut out in a game 7 close out game.

give me a coach that knows how to actually use players and doesn't put bosh out on the wing so that wade can have room to go to the rim. how bout that? lol

always trying to play bosh but the team didn't rebound.. the team never got a big man that can operate down low and that was on purpose.. because they didn't want anyone down low taking up lebron and wade's area.

all they wanted were shooters around those 2 that's it and it forced bosh to become one of them.. he's just so good he could actually change his entire game for the sake of the team and still be an all star.

get a new coach

 

[Fuzzy_McNut]

Let's not talk about what he can do. Let's talk about what he does. Love shot 500 three pointers last season. We're not talking about his rookie season. We're talking about this most recent play. He's rarely in the low post. Love has turned into a stretch four that likes to shoot 3 pointers. I even posted an article today with his shot chart. GTFOH! You can't be a better low post player when you're never in the damn paint. Davis scores way more points in the paint from the post than Love.




He has the same amount of low post moves as Love and he actually shoots in the post. Love shot 800 of his 1300 shots outside of the paint. He's a perimeter player now. Did you watch him this season? You're confusing the player he was with the player he's become. Love is rarely in the paint now. I also posted a long article just today about that very issue.




That's a lie. Go to http://vorped.com/ and looked it up. Davis shoots at higher clip in the midrange by multiple percentage points. He also takes more attempts. Higher percentage while also taking more attempts >>>>>>>

He also shoots 10 percent higher in the paint because he's a better offensive player in the paint. He's faster, handles the ball better, and shoots better with both hands.



I didn't forget shit. I named the areas where Davis was better. I've already stated multiple times on this board that Love is one of the better passing big man in the league.



Love is more useful if your team explicitly lack outside shooting. It depends on what your needs are.. mid-range.. pick and roll..points in the paint, offensive efficiency, it's not close. I posted analytics a couple of months ago that illustrated how Davis was one of the top pick and roll players in the league and that was only rookie season analysis http://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on...ony-davis-offense-is-what-makes-him-promising

Love is a better passer and shoots the long ball better. That's it. Offensively, it's a wash at best.

Defensively.. Love is a bum and Davis is top 5 defensive players in the league.

You muthafuckas always confusing low percentage volume shooters as "better" offensive players solely because they score more points.

If you know the habbits of small market team super stars you need to seriously consider getting a life

 

[Spectrum]

Fair enough. I would never argue picking for Love over Davis straight up. And Ive never called Love the best PF at any point ever.

You didn't. However, the person I originally quoted did. You probably missed that and missed the context of my reply.

Even though I would have liked to see the Cavs with depth and defense, Love is going to fit in because of his passing, rebounding, and perimeter play. Cavs are going to end up the #1 defensive rebounding team in the league, easily...which is also going to lead to a ton of easy transition baskets. The offense is going to be killer.

 

[RoadRage]

give me a coach that knows how to actually use players and doesn't put bosh out on the wing so that wade can have room to go to the rim. how bout that? lol

always trying to play bosh but the team didn't rebound.. the team never got a big man that can operate down low and that was on purpose.. because they didn't want anyone down low taking up lebron and wade's area.

all they wanted were shooters around those 2 that's it and it forced bosh to become one of them.. he's just so good he could actually change his entire game for the sake of the team and still be an all star.

get a new coach

Ive watched 90% of the Heat games with the big three and I witnessed Bosh get murdered in the paint.. Shit I remember that whiteboy from the Magic single handedly destroying Bosh, similar to the way Shaq in his prime used to do to folks. Shit look at the finals and how the Spurs set the tone early, what did they do, go right at Bosh with Duncan and everytime Bosh tried to establish positioning in the post he got out muscled.
Bosh problem in the paint is that he is too weak, dosen't know how to box, is a poor dribbler, with below average hops.. Now he is a streaky jump shooter who can get hot from the outside, but he does tend to fall in love with that shot, and plays so finesse that he is often unwilling to bang in the paint and get in proper positioning.
You can't blame the coach because other than that Portland game, Bosh usually becomes ghost without LeBron on the floor.
Love also has a jumper , but he is able step back and nail it , as opposed to catch and shoot ,like Bush. As a result, Love don't have to camp at a spot, plus he doesn't abandon his PF duties of rebounding and playing tough.. Love does everything from protect the ball with his body and arms, pass, and absorb contact on a shot, light years better than Bosh.
Some people love Bosh game, but to me that style, with out a center is giving up way too much.