Kevin Love Traded for Wiggins, Bennett, and future pick

[RoadRage]

I will say this from a fans point of view, in case those are wondering....
I find this Cav team harder for me to like than the old Cavs team and the Heat...
In my opinion both of those teams were greatly flawed and were almost over achieving underdogs.
We know how the old Cavs were, but the Heat were so weak, with out any rebounding or big man, it was amazing watching them play that style of play and win..
With this Cav roster, they almost remind me of the Lakers with Bynum and Gasol... They have a lot of big guys in the paint who can rebound, allowing their shooters to shoot all day with out worrying about being efficient.
I will root for them because I would love for Cleveland to finally win it all (their state is a big underdog) but it remains to be seen if this team can have the charm that both the old Cavs and the Heat had..

 

[RoadRage]

okay we'll play that game what I am asking is will you be speaking from my objective point of view that tends to favor more of LeBron current team than the previous

From a non fan point, I feel the Heat are fucked, in actuality, they were fucked last year as soon as Wade and Chalmers fell off, (the reason why they call them guards is because they are supposed to guard). But if they can get thier legs back, the Heat should a decant team, they just need some shooters to free up the paint..
As for the Cavs they have a shit load of talent, the question is can all of these personalities gel together the way great teams do...
Plus lets not forget, they have a rookie coach and who knows what type of style they will play... It will be interesting seeing how they come together, and I will say this much, LeBron will have his hand full, and will have to work 3 times as hard as he did with the Heat, not on the floor but in the locker room...

 

[incogneg]

So what's the rush? Why not FIND OUT first and then go and trade for Love or get him in free agency?

Drown. You've got the greatest player on the planet, the greatest since Michael Jordan, and you're going to waste his prime and ability to win a chip on a guy out of college? You want to waste his prime while a player develops?

Just think about that for a second. Just think on it.

 

[RoadRage]

Drown. You've got the greatest player on the planet, the greatest since Michael Jordan, and you're going to waste his prime and ability to win a chip on a guy out of college? You want to waste his prime while a player develops?

Just think about that for a second. Just think on it.

Especially when he is going to have his hands full trying to get Irving, Thompson, and Waiters head in order and them up to speed..

 

[Mello Mello]

Two #1's and a future...Is Kevin Love really that good? I barely started hearing about him last year.

I wanted to see how Wiggins looked on the Cav's. Sucks he'll be stranded in Minni.

Hope the Cav's know what they doing.

 

[digital530]

I wonder why the Cavs didn't just play the season out? Love already said he wanted to play there. Could of still kept Wiggins for another trade or to see how the young fella would play out.

 

[RoadRage]

Two #1's and a future...Is Kevin Love really that good? I barely started hearing about him last year.

I wanted to see how Wiggins looked on the Cav's. Sucks he'll be stranded in Minni.

Hope the Cav's know what they doing.

No Love isn't that good, but this is not what the trade is about... The trade is about the Cavs having way too many players and pics, and trading from their strength to help fill a big void..
As far as Wiggins goes, its much better seeing him on a team where he can be groomed to be the next big star, instead of trying to fit in a system where he is the fourth option..

 

[killa kadafi191]

I have a question for everyone who think the Cavs gave up too much let's look at it from this point of view look at Minnesota's history and developingthis is why Minnesota wanted klay Thompson so bad I don't think Anthony Bennett will develop into the type of player they expect toand hopefully Wiggins can salvage a career in Minnesota history is not on his side.

and also you can pencil in 7 years automatically he will spin with the Minnesota Timberwolves

 

[4 Dimensional]

No way I would have traded wiggins. The was no rush. Love ain't that damn good.

Reminds me when OKC picked up that kat after Harden left. Shit, plus the cavs are paying love a grip. Dude gets hurt every year anyway.

 

[RoadRage]

I wonder why the Cavs didn't just play the season out? Love already said he wanted to play there. Could of still kept Wiggins for another trade or to see how the young fella would play out.

To be honest... I think LeBron was scared that they could lose the locker room with all those young players..
With out Love, Miller and players like Marion and or , the Cavs might be run by a bunch of big egotistical dick heads like Irving and exposing such a young player like Wiggins in that locker room, well put it this way, I could easily see them showboating, having dunk contest, trying to break each other legs, instead of looking at film, learning how to defend the pick and roll, and learning set plays...
You can just look at this video and see that Irving really needs to be surrounded by Vets who can keep him focussed as opposed to free spirited young players who would laugh and egg him on with the bullshit..

 

[Ninja05]

Two #1's and a future...Is Kevin Love really that good? I barely started hearing about him last year.

I wanted to see how Wiggins looked on the Cav's. Sucks he'll be stranded in Minni.

Hope the Cav's know what they doing.

Well - Anthony Bennett might be one of the worst #1 draft picks ever. This is essentially a Love and a reduction of 4.5 million in salary (Anthony Bennett's 4.5 million a year K) for Wiggins and the 28 - 30th pick of the draft trade. If you look at it that way, they aren't really losing man. They had 2 1st round draft picks (including the more valuable one they received from the Grizzlies).

I wanted them to keep Wiggins cause he could have been Pip Jr. But they just need a Steven Adams Center who blocks shots and defends the Center or best big man on the other squad. Anderson V is getting older and they need a long big man coming off the bench. Is Thompson that guy?

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

You don't see how that first statement is actually more fitting for a player who is one year out of high school, and a player who (sure showed promise) but did not live up to the hype in his only year in college..

No, because Love has been putting up numbers and had no impact on a team. None.. the kind of numbers he puts up the team should be competitive past november and they are not. we've seen him do this every year of his career that he's actually been healthy enough to play.

WE KNOW what love's impact is right now already.. he cannot lead a team he is a not a max player is a great sidekick possibly...

we don't know what wiggins will be but knowing what love already is, it would have made more sense to keep wiggins and see. instead of trading him for love

ESPECIALLY

when minessota had no leverage and you could see what wiggins could do this season and then add love for absolutely nothing at the end of it...

 

[gene cisco]

Fuck it. After fighting this shit for damn near a month, I'm done. I give the fuck in. Our new GM is making the move. Fuck it. Time to start with the 'why this is a great trade' propaganda.

The team definitely has enough offense to survive when James has to run around defending every player on the opposing team. I doubt Love, Irving, and Waiters will be off all at the same time. Good luck shutting down this team offensively. It isn't going to happen.

Even if they aren't stellar defensively, who is going to burn the Cavs' lineup worse than the Cavs can burn them????

Love is an American-born white player. He will get the push and help the Cavs with the refs. We all know how WWE-like the NBA is when it comes to calls. NBA is looking to hype him as this generation's Bird. If a team is hanging with the Cavs in the playoffs, look for some Heat/Mavs 06 shit or some Kings/Lakers fuckery.

Gilbert will spend.He also has that Hayword contract to work with next summer. Could bring in more pieces to help keep the team growing. Plenty of cheap owners who don't care about winning for Gilbert to trade with.

 

[RoadRage]

Lets face it, this trade and other moves the Cavs made, is just as much as harnessing and unlocking the talents of Irving, Thompson and Waiters as it is just getting Love alone...
Yall have to look at the big picture instead of looking at the trade from a video point of view..

 

[Spectrum]

The team definitely has enough offense to survive when James has to run around defending every player on the opposing team. I doubt Love, Irving, and Waiters will be off all at the same time. Good luck shutting down this team offensively. It isn't going to happen.

Yeah. It's gonna be like a high-powered western conference team. They're scoring points even on a bad night...but man.. when Lebron goes to the bench, teams are going to go on mad runs.

 

[RoadRage]

Fuck it. After fighting this shit for damn near a month, I'm done. I give the fuck in. Our new GM is making the move. Fuck it. Time to start with the 'why this is a great trade' propaganda.

The team definitely has enough offense to survive when James has to run around defending every player on the opposing team. I doubt Love, Irving, and Waiters will be off all at the same time. Good luck shutting down this team offensively. It isn't going to happen.

Even if they aren't stellar defensively, who is going to burn the Cavs' lineup worse than the Cavs can burn them????

Love is an American-born white player. He will get the push and help the Cavs with the refs. We all know how WWE-like the NBA is when it comes to calls. NBA is looking to hype him as this generation's Bird. If a team is hanging with the Cavs in the playoffs, look for some Heat/Mavs 06 shit or some Kings/Lakers fuckery.

Gilbert will spend.He also has that Hayword contract to work with next summer. Could bring in more pieces to help keep the team growing. Plenty of cheap owners who don't care about winning for Gilbert to trade with.

Its a great trade for both clubs, now lets see how it plays out in the real world.

 

[dtownsfinest]

Drown. You've got the greatest player on the planet, the greatest since Michael Jordan, and you're going to waste his prime and ability to win a chip on a guy out of college? You want to waste his prime while a player develops?

Just think about that for a second. Just think on it.

If he's truly the greatest player on the planet(no argument from me) than he should take that boo boo ass East. How many times has the greatest player on the planet in the NBA not made it to the finals?

 

[dtownsfinest]

Its a great trade for both clubs, now lets see how it plays out in the real world.

It wouldn't shock me if it plays out well for the Cavs and shitty for the T-Wolves. T-Wolves can't develop talent. Sad thing is, we may never know how good Wiggins and Bennett could've been getting buried in Minnie.

 

[RoadRage]

Yeah. It's gonna be like a high-powered western conference team. They're scoring points even on a bad night...but man.. when Lebron goes to the bench, teams are going to go on mad runs.

Even with LeBron on the bench they have things the Heat never had, they have Irving a player who can create his own shot, very athletic and get to the rim, they have Waiters who should really come in to his own this year, Thompson is ready to blossom and take it to the next level, you still have Love a player who was 4th behind James in points per game, and Marion a player who can play the 3 and do some of the things LeBron can do, for a short period of time..

 

[RoadRage]

It wouldn't shock me if it plays out well for the Cavs and shitty for the T-Wolves. T-Wolves can't develop talent. Sad thing is, we may never know how good Wiggins and Bennett could've been getting buried in Minnie.

Well the Wolves better start learning to develop talent, because in my opinion both Bennett and Wiggins need a lot of development but the good thing about the Wolves is that they have time and don't have to screw up the kids heads by trying to rush them or have them feel the pressure of having to win now..

 

[4 Dimensional]

Yeah. It's gonna be like a high-powered western conference team. They're scoring points even on a bad night...but man.. when Lebron goes to the bench, teams are going to go on mad runs.

Yep.

I got no beef with Love, but I'd be damn to give up wiggins.

And the Cavs still have weak interior defense.

 

[xxironxx]

Two #1's and a future...Is Kevin Love really that good? I barely started hearing about him last year.

I wanted to see how Wiggins looked on the Cav's. Sucks he'll be stranded in Minni.

Hope the Cav's know what they doing.

Bennett doesn't count as a #1. Dude was a bust last year. Grant it he has a long time to develop but if last year was any indication of what's to come the Cavs did good to ship him out

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

rage, you gotta fill out an application bro, you cannot just slide into the cavs discussion like this without proper credentials. you need to get with gene asap, deadline for final cav roster is sometime in october so there's still time but you need to get on the bus early.

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

Bennett doesn't count as a #1. Dude was a bust last year. Grant it he has a long time to develop but if last year was any indication of what's to come the Cavs did good to ship him out

he was playing under mike brown. im willing to give him a pass.

 

[KunningLinguist]

To me the Cavs fucked up by trading Wiggins. It reminds me of when Charlotte trade Kobe and when the Magic traded Webber...and kinda like when the Magic traded Shaquille.

breh...stop....you didnt know who the hell kobe even was...and you damn sure didnt know he would turn out like he did

 

[gene cisco]

Yeah. It's gonna be like a high-powered western conference team. They're scoring points even on a bad night...but man.. when Lebron goes to the bench, teams are going to go on mad runs.

True, but the other teams have to rest their stars too. And the bad thing is other teams have to guard all the players to the fucking 3-point line. The opposing team will be tired as fuck.

 

[RoadRage]

Yep.

I got no beef with Love, but I'd be damn to give up wiggins.

And the Cavs still have weak interior defense.

If you can't sure up that interior team defense with Varejão, Thompson, Love and Haywood, then the coach needs to be fired... Shit the old Cavs was able to play great defense with much less talent..

 

[gene cisco]

he was playing under mike brown. im willing to give him a pass.

He definitely deserves a pass for playing under the incompetent Mike Brown.

 

[RoadRage]

rage, you gotta fill out an application bro, you cannot just slide into the cavs discussion like this without proper credentials. you need to get with gene asap, deadline for final cav roster is sometime in october so there's still time but you need to get on the bus early.

Look I rooted for two teams in the last 16 years, as opposed to folks popping shit who root for who every LeBron is playing against..
Now you tell me who is the real band wagon fan...
But jokes aside I am a fan of the sport first...

 

[BlackArsenic]

No, because Love has been putting up numbers and had no impact on a team. None.. the kind of numbers he puts up the team should be competitive past november and they are not. we've seen him do this every year of his career that he's actually been healthy enough to play.

WE KNOW what love's impact is right now already.. he cannot lead a team he is a not a max player is a great sidekick possibly...

we don't know what wiggins will be but knowing what love already is, it would have made more sense to keep wiggins and see. instead of trading him for love

ESPECIALLY

when minessota had no leverage and you could see what wiggins could do this season and then add love for absolutely nothing at the end of it...

People just ate not understanding there is no wait and see. If love didn't come in a trade he wasn't coming at all. The Cavs don't have the money. Also Cleveland is trying to win now. Waiting till the trade deadline almost assures this team wouldn't gel in time. What if Wiggins sucks or gets hurt between now and then? Then you're stuck with players with unpredictable futures. Love is great now, he'll be better with LeBron.

 

[Spectrum]

Even with LeBron on the bench they have things the Heat never had, they have Irving a player who can create his own shot, very athletic and get to the rim, they have Waiters who should really come in to his own this year, .

You're talking about offense. I'm talking about the ability to produce stops.

 

[BlackArsenic]

No Love isn't that good, but this is not what the trade is about... The trade is about the Cavs having way too many players and pics, and trading from their strength to help fill a big void..
As far as Wiggins goes, its much better seeing him on a team where he can be groomed to be the next big star, instead of trying to fit in a system where he is the fourth option..

You're bugging. Love is probably the best power forward the game now. You cannot take into account his career in Minnesota and make it his Achilles heel. Name me one great coach Minnesota had since he's been there? Name me their second best star? He played in the western conference what could he possibly do by himself? Shit Garnett was there for years before making the playoffs, did that mean he wasn't that? That place was is Hell hole.

 

[Spectrum]

You're bugging. Love is probably the best power forward the game now.

I bet you if they were both available in an NBA draft right now, you wouldn't have one GM that would take Love over Anthony Davis....not even one.

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

People just ate not understanding there is no wait and see. If love didn't come in a trade he wasn't coming at all. The Cavs don't have the money. Also Cleveland is trying to win now. Waiting till the trade deadline almost assures this team wouldn't gel in time. What if Wiggins sucks or gets hurt between now and then? Then you're stuck with players with unpredictable futures. Love is great now, he'll be better with LeBron.

The cavs have the money what are you talking about?

Gilbert has no problem going over the luxury tax and would do so and is going to do so and will continue to do so....

Love isn't great
he's really good
great players have an impact on their teams.. he had NONE not 1 impact on the timberwolves they were still in the lottery every year.

lot of kool aid being slurped.

 

[RoadRage]

You're talking about offense. I'm talking about the ability to produce stops.

I am not worried about Love defense like some of you guys are... Often when you see a PF with poor defensive skills, it usually speaks more about the teams guards and the centers inability to play D..
At least I know Love can do the basics, box out and knows where the ball is, at all times..
The problem and the thing Cavs fans have to worry about the most is Irving...
Now before I kill him, let me say this, Kyle has great foot speed and very quick hands and has the basic skills to be a great defender, but in reality he needs to learn how to play defense instead of wining it out there..
Good defending guards are key to every good defense, they are the ones playing the most one on one defense, and often get the least amount of help.. But there are things that are key to a good guard defense...
1- They must know how to overplay a, this comes from knowing the tendencies of the guy they are defending..
2- they must be aware of the teeth of the defense and know how to guide their man into help not into free lanes..
3- The must know how to defend the pick and roll
4- they must know when, who and how to trap..

To me Irving has the skills to be a good defender, but its up to him to learn how to play the position.. Waiters has problems also, but his build gives him advantages and in my opinion has less to learn..