Why Black Men ARE REFUSING to Play Step DADDY!

[ZuluSam]

I am 53. I have an advanced degree. I know women who went to law school or college with me who got divorced at some point. They ain't now and have never been bum ass bitches; and the niggas they got divorced from ain't now and have never been bum ass niggas. Hey, but that's just the environment I live in.

I also know women who didn't marry the father, but aren't bum ass bitches either. Some women kill fetuses and some women don't. Some of you speak like it is a foregone conclusion that every woman will have an abortion. It is not.

If the example that you know is based on bum ass niggas and irresponsible women, then you probably need to step up to another level of living and knowledge because many of the issues being described have as much to do with ignorance and poverty as with anything else. Every 'single' woman with kids ain't broke.....

Everyone has a right to choose what works for them.

As for the Eagle story and it's application to present times......if truly considered, it would have niccas pissed off just as much. Females do line niccas up and measure their ability to care for her and her young......and JUDGE them on that....but the first time a young nicca gets his feelings hurt because she dropped him and moved on to another nicca with more promise.....she is all of a sudden a bitch ass gold digger .....nah young'n...you just need more practice catching sticks..

 

[Naha-Nago]

I am 53. I have an advanced degree. I know women who went to law school or college with me who got divorced at some point. They ain't now and have never been bum ass bitches; and the niggas they got divorced from ain't now and have never been bum ass niggas. Hey, but that's just the environment I live in.

I also know women who didn't marry the father, but aren't bum ass bitches either. Some women kill fetuses and some women don't. Some of you speak like it is a foregone conclusion that every woman will have an abortion. It is not.

If the example that you know is based on bum ass niggas and irresponsible women, then you probably need to step up to another level of living and knowledge because many of the issues being described have as much to do with ignorance and poverty as with anything else. Every 'single' woman with kids ain't broke.....

Everyone has a right to choose what works for them.

As for the Eagle story and it's application to present times......if truly considered, it would have niccas pissed off just as much. Females do line niccas up and measure their ability to care for her and her young......and JUDGE them on that....but the first time a young nicca gets his feelings hurt because she dropped him and moved on to another nicca with more promise.....she is all of a sudden a bitch ass gold digger .....nah young'n...you just need more practice catching sticks..

The only reason why it seems like cats are going in on bum bitches and bum niggas is because -in a majority of cases- it's bum bitches and bum niggas who want to fall back on the community and demand others step up for their situation.

People who have they shit together realize 'manning up' and being a 'boss bitch' starts with them first.

So no, this doesn't apply to single men with children and women with children who have they shit together because...

They have their shit together.

This applies to everyone else who wants to guilt trip the collective because they made a series of ill planned personal life choices.

Although it is honorable to take on the responsibilities of another in a mentor/coaching role- that's way more of a choice than an obligation.

***EDIT***
BTW, bum bitches and bum niggas can be found on every rung of the social economic strata. Some of the most put together people I've ever met were working class/working poor and some of the biggest wastes of space had doctorate degrees and no worry about the ends getting met .

*two cents*

 

[letsshoot]

PROBLEMS WITH BEING THE NEW BABY DADDY....

1) A NIGGA THAT NEVER SHOWED UP FOR NOTHING...SUDDENLY SHOWING UP....ALL THE FUCKING TIME...EVEN FROM THE PROVERBIAL GRAVE...NOW WANTING TO BE A DADDY...

2) KIDS AIN'T CALLIN YOU DAD.......IT'S WHAT EVER YOUR FIRST NAME IS........AND WITH THE MOFO'S THESE DAYS...IT'S GONNA BE NIGGA...

3) DISCIPLINING THE KIDS.......MOM ALWAYS GONNA HAVE SOME SHIT TO SAY BOUT IT.....NO MATTER HOW BAD THE KIDS ARE...

4) GETTING COCK BLOCKED 24/7....NO BABY SITTER AVAILABLE...WE CAN'T....THE KIDS WILL HEAR...

5) BECOMING VERY FAMILIAR...WITH THIS PHRASE HERE...."YOU CAN'T TELL ME WHAT TO DO...YOU AIN'T MY DADDY...I HATE YOU!!!"...

6) GETTING ATTATCHED TO THE KIDS.....THEN THINGS DON'T WORK OUT...
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no fucn shit!!! real talk... but remember their are exceptions to the rule

 

[lightbright]

no fucn shit!!! real talk... but remember their are exceptions to the rule

ur absolutely right.... but these days... they are far and in between !!!

.

 

[Osca Lee]

I am 53. I have an advanced degree. I know women who went to law school or college with me who got divorced at some point. They ain't now and have never been bum ass bitches; and the niggas they got divorced from ain't now and have never been bum ass niggas. Hey, but that's just the environment I live in.

I also know women who didn't marry the father, but aren't bum ass bitches either. Some women kill fetuses and some women don't. Some of you speak like it is a foregone conclusion that every woman will have an abortion. It is not.

If the example that you know is based on bum ass niggas and irresponsible women, then you probably need to step up to another level of living and knowledge because many of the issues being described have as much to do with ignorance and poverty as with anything else. Every 'single' woman with kids ain't broke.....

Everyone has a right to choose what works for them.

As for the Eagle story and it's application to present times......if truly considered, it would have niccas pissed off just as much. Females do line niccas up and measure their ability to care for her and her young......and JUDGE them on that....but the first time a young nicca gets his feelings hurt because she dropped him and moved on to another nicca with more promise.....she is all of a sudden a bitch ass gold digger .....nah young'n...you just need more practice catching sticks..

You really need to becareful holding people with advance degrees or those who help keep the illusion going to such high standards.

According to you those women are prefect even after they have been married and gone through a divorce because they never fuck with bums.

Humans live the same experience and do the same shit on all levels of life. The only diff is this...NONE

ALL people fuck up, cheat, lie and do all types of bullshit.

There are members on this board that need great advice because they are in relationships with people of whom you speak of. Dont paint a bullshit picture of your level of life because its rotten mfs on that level as well.

 

[gw1933]

Theres nothing wrong with having a preference in not dating single moms.

The problem is when cats go on 8 hour youtube videos expressing their disdain for single moms, which usually leads to disdain for all women...

 

[Joe Money]

what a stupid fucking post
im no tough guy, but i'd be tempted to punch you on the chin if you said that shit around me

 

[MistaPhantastic]

Everyone has a right to choose what works for them.

This is essentially it in a nutshell.

There is no amount of shaming language any of you can use to guilt an intelligent man into assuming agency for choices that he may have had no part in.
Nobody owes anyone anything. Its your life. Live it how you choose.
Some men will take responsibility and try to course-correct for others' missteps. Some won't. A man is no more or less a man for making either choice. Regardless of what society thinks, feels or tells you - you are free to do as you choose...or to choose not to choose. Its your life. No one else can or should take agency for you, your actions and your choices except you.

 

[kirkout]

If you have children yourself you should be open to dating women with children. On the other hand, if you don’t have children you probably shouldn’t date women with children.
Unless you’re looking for a ready made family, I wouldn’t go there. There are plenty of brothers with children whom they will be more compatible with. I won’t even waste my time with a woman with children nowadays, even if her children are over the age of 18. Nah, you can keep that. I will stay in my lane and date women without kids.

 

[The Plutonian]

You really need to becareful holding people with advance degrees or those who help keep the illusion going to such high standards.

According to you those women are prefect even after they have been married and gone through a divorce because they never fuck with bums.

Humans live the same experience and do the same shit on all levels of life. The only diff is this...NONE

ALL people fuck up, cheat, lie and do all types of bullshit.

There are members on this board that need great advice because they are in relationships with people of whom you speak of. Dont paint a bullshit picture of your level of life because its rotten mfs on that level as well.

Yea man being educated don’t disclaim you from bullshit. In a lot of ways it’s worse.

I just met a girl who’s fine as wine but one of the dumbest broads I ever met. Has 1 child but is waiting on some dude to bail her out. Gets a bullshit child support check but won’t get off her ass to get a job or do anything for herself or lil man. Then asked me if she could live with me. We’ve never fucked, kissed, went out, nothing. I’m like uh....are you fucking insane?

 

[code_pirahna]

We aren t a species that naturally takes care of another man's seed. This isn t the cuckoo bird species who use brood parasitism to raise their children.

A man needs to be responsible enough to raise his seed. I should not be called to fill in.

 

[YoungSinister]

That's 'cuz these motherfuckers have a watery man code and they take relationship advice from Black woman hating misogynists like Oshey Duke Jackson.
And what's worse; these same clowns will then turn around and blame Black women for the collapse of the Black family rather than to mentor young Black youth on what's needed to survive & thrive in this world.
They think you're a "simp" for raising some other man's child(ren) and investing your time & energies into ensuring that Black children are reared properly in a loving environment.

They'd rather say stupid shit like; "It's not my job to raise those ratchet ghetto thugs, just 'cuz their momma made poor choices in men".

It should be noted that this is s white infiltrator
Of course he champions Black men not spending their resources on their own bloodline

 

[ZuluSam]

You really need to becareful holding people with advance degrees or those who help keep the illusion going to such high standards.

According to you those women are prefect even after they have been married and gone through a divorce because they never fuck with bums.

Humans live the same experience and do the same shit on all levels of life. The only diff is this...NONE

ALL people fuck up, cheat, lie and do all types of bullshit.

There are members on this board that need great advice because they are in relationships with people of whom you speak of. Dont paint a bullshit picture of your level of life because its rotten mfs on that level as well.

If you took from my post that I was saying ANYONE is perfect, then maybe I didn’t write my thoughts well enough. Is that really an argument?

I am not trying to put myself or anyone else on a pedestal just because they have advanced degrees. I know as well as anyone that all people fuck up. Is that really an argument?

But this conversation repeatedly turns to bashing single black mothers for having a child with a bum ass nicca who doesn’t pay child support and

The fact is there single black mothers who aren’t broke, with or without child support. I’m just standing up for the ones who I see in the circle I tend to run in. That’s all.

Edit: Actually humans don’t live the same experience. And much of that has to do with access and finances. A kid with two parents who can afford the best schools and experiences lives a different experience than the kid who goes to bed and school hungry. Does that mean that the one will succeed and the other fail? Of course not in any single case, but generally the odds will favor one over the other.

And niccas can talk shit about levels of life all they want to, but I’m the one who steps up and pays for the family reunion because the other promises fell short....I’m the one who my sister can come to and borrow money for her kids or to pay her car note due to unexpected emergencies.......and I can do those things because of the decisions I made while in high school.

Choices matter is what people keep saying. .....lol.....well I agree.

 

[theoriginalgreatone]

This is interesting

 

[gw1933]

You really need to becareful holding people with advance degrees or those who help keep the illusion going to such high standards.

According to you those women are prefect even after they have been married and gone through a divorce because they never fuck with bums.

Humans live the same experience and do the same shit on all levels of life. The only diff is this...NONE

ALL people fuck up, cheat, lie and do all tyes of bullshit.

There are members on this board that need great advice because they are in relationships with people of whom you speak of. Dont paint a bullshit picture of your level of life because its rotten mfs on that level as well.

Facts...Too often people forget who a person is on paper and who they are in real life are 2 different things. Just because a chick has a PhD and makes 6 figures, she is not exempt from cheating, emasculating the man she is with, etc.

One of my cousins was smashing a Lawyer for 10 years. Her husband had no idea and still doesn't.

 

[ZuluSam]

Facts...Too often people forget who a person is on paper and who they are in real life are 2 different things. Just because a chick has a PhD and makes 6 figures, she is not exempt from cheating, emasculating the man she is with, etc.

One of my cousins was smashing a Lawyer for 10 years. Her husband had no idea and still doesn't.

Bruh. It seems no matter what a black woman does she can’t win with some of y’all. NO ONE SAID ANY OF US ARE PERFECT. But, kneegrows on here are constantly talking about a woman needs to be self sufficient and blah, blah, blah....and when someone points out the fact that there are black women who fit that profile....with and without kids...then the goal post is moved to, “well she is probably a fuck up too.”

But maybe my view is skewed because I happen to LOVE BLACK WOMEN.

 

[CptMARVEL]

It should be noted that this is s white infiltrator
Of course he champions Black men not spending their resources on their own bloodline

"Black men not spending their resources on their own bloodline"...?
Who are you?
King Pharaoh Rhamses VIII....?


Be careful dude...
The next thing you'll be saying is: "We need to safeguard the purity of our blood...".

Dude; Black people (both men & women) ROUTINELY raise children who are not (biologically) their own.
So yes; that means Black men have an long, extensive history of being actively engaged in the rearing of the children of Black women they are romantically involved with even though the children are not biologically his.
This means many, many Black men regularly date/mate/marry (and spend their resources) on Black women who:
- Have children with other men who she was previously involved with.
- Have children with men who abandoned them. (Deadbeats)
- Have foster children.

There are many, many REAL Black men out there who are not afraid of stepping up to the plate and helping to raise the child(ren) of the woman he loves even though they're not biologically his.

 

[YoungSinister]

"Black men not spending their resources on their own bloodline"...?
Who are you?
King Pharaoh Rhamses VIII....?


Be careful dude...
The next thing you'll be saying is: "We need to safeguard the purity of our blood...".

Dude; Black people (both men & women) ROUTINELY raise children who are not (biologically) their own.
So yes; that means Black men have an long, extensive history of being actively engaged in the rearing of the children of Black women they are romantically involved with even though the children are not biologically his.
This means many, many Black men regularly date/mate/marry Black women who:
- Have children with other men who she was previously involved with.
- Have children with men who abandoned them. (Deadbeats)
- Have foster children.

There are many, many REAL Black men out there who are not afraid of stepping up to the plate and helping to raise the child(ren) of the woman he loves even though they're not biologically his.

1 fish 2 fish
Red fish blue fish
Let me give your wife a facial

 

[CptMARVEL]

1 fish 2 fish
Red fish blue fish
Let me give your wife a facial

But am I wrong....?

 

[YoungSinister]

But am I wrong....?

I told you before that I don’t take you seriously
I simply point out that you’re a pig skin mutant
Remember that the next time you want to take me to task

 

[CptMARVEL]

I told you before that I don’t take you seriously
I simply point out that you’re a pig skin mutant
Remember that the next time you want to take me to task

When have I ever "taken you to task"....?
Dude, you seem to enjoy chasing ME around from thread to thread for some reason.

 

[Mt. Yukon]

Bruh. It seems no matter what a black woman does she can’t win with some of y’all. NO ONE SAID ANY OF US ARE PERFECT. But, kneegrows on here are constantly talking about a woman needs to be self sufficient and blah, blah, blah....and when someone points out the fact that there are black women who fit that profile....with and without kids...then the goal post is moved to, “well she is probably a fuck up too.”

But maybe my view is skewed because I happen to LOVE BLACK WOMEN.

He was really just having a sidebar convo that spun off of your earlier comment. Not that he was moving the goal post.

Your earlier comment was dripping with condescension, and inferred that people with "advanced degrees" are somehow insulated from low life traits and tendencies. Yes, we do go in on women, but it's a male dominated board, we talk. But I don't believe that us calling shit what it is should get filed under bashing. Most of us love our women. But loving them doesn't exclude mentioning their flaws, nor is does it include always taking their side.

 

[YoungSinister]

When have I ever "taken you to task"....?
Dude, you seem to enjoy chasing ME around from thread to thread for some reason.

Chasing? You’re not that important
But when I see white supremacist on a Black board, it’s my duty to call it out so everyone else will know the situation
Get used to it Gus
Now bring me your wife so I can bust in her mouth
I’m gonna be like......ahhhhhhhh x_x

 

[gw1933]

Bruh. It seems no matter what a black woman does she can’t win with some of y’all. NO ONE SAID ANY OF US ARE PERFECT. But, kneegrows on here are constantly talking about a woman needs to be self sufficient and blah, blah, blah....and when someone points out the fact that there are black women who fit that profile....with and without kids...then the goal post is moved to, “well she is probably a fuck up too.”

But maybe my view is skewed because I happen to LOVE BLACK WOMEN.

I think you missed the point of my whole comment. When I say who a person is on paper and who they are in real life, it's bigger than Black women. For example, you have Black men who are professionals that beat their wives... and on the flipside, Black men who work blue collar jobs that never put hands on their woman. The point is a person's personality is not always indicative of their education and financial accomplishments.

..and for the record all I date is Black women and I always will.

 

[Osca Lee]

If you took from my post that I was saying ANYONE is perfect, then maybe I didn’t write my thoughts well enough. Is that really an argument?

I am not trying to put myself or anyone else on a pedestal just because they have advanced degrees. I know as well as anyone that all people fuck up. Is that really an argument?

But this conversation repeatedly turns to bashing single black mothers for having a child with a bum ass nicca who doesn’t pay child support and

The fact is there single black mothers who aren’t broke, with or without child support. I’m just standing up for the ones who I see in the circle I tend to run in. That’s all.

Edit: Actually humans don’t live the same experience. And much of that has to do with access and finances. A kid with two parents who can afford the best schools and experiences lives a different experience than the kid who goes to bed and school hungry. Does that mean that the one will succeed and the other fail? Of course not in any single case, but generally the odds will favor one over the other.

And niccas can talk shit about levels of life all they want to, but I’m the one who steps up and pays for the family reunion because the other promises fell short....I’m the one who my sister can come to and borrow money for her kids or to pay her car note due to unexpected emergencies.......and I can do those things because of the decisions I made while in high school.

Choices matter is what people keep saying. .....lol.....well I agree.

Peace,

Your reply indicate regardless of the facts presented to you even by your own sister you still refuse to hold our women accountable.

You must accept all the facts and stop looking at things one sided like women are handicap and men take advantage of them.

Again regardless of what level of life you are on...humans will do fucked up shit. Money dont change anything...it just allows people to do shit at a higher cost.

 

[ZuluSam]

Your earlier comment was dripping with condescension, and inferred that people with "advanced degrees" are somehow insulated from low life traits and tendencies.

No it wasn't. That's just how some of ya'll took it and that ain't on me.

Ya'll carry on.

 

[CptMARVEL]

Chasing? You’re not that important
But when I see white supremacist on a Black board, it’s my duty to call it out so everyone else will know the situation
Get used to it Gus
Now bring me your wife so I can bust in her mouth
I’m gonna be like......ahhhhhhhh x_x

Well, I must be important to you.
'Cuz in the past 24 hours, all you've done is attempt to troll me and repeatedly express how badly you want to have sex with my "White wife".
Seriously dude; it's one thing to engage people online who you disagree with on issues but there's something really... "twisted" in persisting on how badly you wanna fuck another man's wife...
Are you really that desperate for the attention of White women...?

 

[MistaPhantastic]

There are many, many REAL Black men out there who are not afraid of stepping up to the plate and helping ...

Thank you for being an example to what I was talking about. Shaming language in full effect here.
This is the type of social conditioning of which I was speaking.
A man is not defined by his willingness to be a utility for a woman's needs. This is just what you and many others have been conditioned to believe.
You have been taught that your usefulness in society depends on how willing you are to be a utility for the collective. To a certain extent, this is true, however, there is no rule that says that your existence has to be spent being a tool for the collective. Many women are very hive-minded and shaming tactics are some of their most powerful tools in the manipulation of men and each other. Once you learn that these tactics are deployed because their effectiveness rests greatly on how well they can convince you to benefit them, then you realize that the matrix depends on willing participants.
These dehumanization tactics (i.e., "you're not a real man if you don't...) serve to keep you in line as a utility in order to keep the collective functioning and devoid of agency of actions when things don't go right or well. You're not a man if you don't do what you're told and if what you're doing isn't up to levels of expectancy, then you're not manning up hard enough. Control tactics. Nothing more.
Does a crown make you a king? According to them, it does. Women defining the parameters of manhood while simultaneously claiming oppression is one of the greatest manipulation hustles in our history. Only suckers buy into that but...suckers are needed to keep the machine running because the collective is scared to find out what happens if it breaks down.

 

[YoungSinister]

Well, I must be important to you.
'Cuz in the past 24 hours, all you've done is attempt to troll me and repeatedly express how badly you want to have sex with my "White wife".
Seriously dude; it's one thing to engage people online who you disagree with on issues but there's something really... "twisted" in persisting on how badly you wanna fuck another man's wife...
Are you really that desperate for the attention of White women...?

I’m gonna bust a crazy nut in your wife’s face
Then your mom, if she’s is still alive

 

[Mt. Yukon]

Thank you for being an example to what I was talking about. Shaming language in full effect here.
This is the type of social conditioning of which I was speaking.
A man is not defined by his willingness to be a utility for a woman's needs. This is just what you and many others have been conditioned to believe.
You have been taught that your usefulness in society depends on how willing you are to be a utility for the collective. To a certain extent, this is true, however, there is no rule that says that your existence has to be spent being a tool for the collective. Many women are very hive-minded and shaming tactics are some of their most powerful tools in the manipulation of men and each other. Once you learn that these tactics are deployed because their effectiveness rests greatly on how well they can convince you to benefit them, then you realize that the matrix depends on willing participants.
These dehumanization tactics (i.e., "you're not a real man if you don't...) serve to keep you in line as a utility in order to keep the collective functioning and devoid of agency of actions when things don't go right or well. You're not a man if you don't do what you're told and if what you're doing isn't up to levels of expectancy, then you're not manning up hard enough. Control tactics. Nothing more.
Does a crown make you a king? According to them, it does. Women defining the parameters of manhood while simultaneously claiming oppression is one of the greatest manipulation hustles in our history. Only suckers buy into that but...suckers are needed to keep the machine running because the collective is scared to find out what happens if it breaks down.

Indeed. Another reasons why good, strong father's are needed. I remember having this talk early and often coming up. "Don't ever let another person define, or dictate what a man is. Not even me. You have your principles, and values. As long as you're true to who you really are. Fuck everyone else."

 

[bgbtylvr]

I’m gonna bust a crazy nut in your wife’s face
Then your mom, if she’s is still alive

Son, I would have to fight you.
No way I could let this Shit slide.
What the Fuck did I just read???

 

[CptMARVEL]

Thank you for being an example to what I was talking about. Shaming language in full effect here.
This is the type of social conditioning of which I was speaking.
A man is not defined by his willingness to be a utility for a woman's needs. This is just what you and many others have been conditioned to believe.
You have been taught that your usefulness in society depends on how willing you are to be a utility for the collective. To a certain extent, this is true, however, there is no rule that says that your existence has to be spent being a tool for the collective. Many women are very hive-minded and shaming tactics are some of their most powerful tools in the manipulation of men and each other. Once you learn that these tactics are deployed because their effectiveness rests greatly on how well they can convince you to benefit them, then you realize that the matrix depends on willing participants.
These dehumanization tactics (i.e., "you're not a real man if you don't...) serve to keep you in line as a utility in order to keep the collective functioning and devoid of agency of actions when things don't go right or well. You're not a man if you don't do what you're told and if what you're doing isn't up to levels of expectancy, then you're not manning up hard enough. Control tactics. Nothing more.
Does a crown make you a king? According to them, it does. Women defining the parameters of manhood while simultaneously claiming oppression is one of the greatest manipulation hustles in our history. Only suckers buy into that but...suckers are needed to keep the machine running because the collective is scared to find out what happens if it breaks down.

No.
No, to all of this.
#1. I find it interesting that you chose to quote only part of my original statement and conveniently left out the: "...to raise the child(ren) of the woman he loves even though they're not biologically his".
#2. A man defines his OWN destiny. And many men don't feel like they're being "a utility" for women's needs or "the collective" by lovingly engaging in the rearing of children who are not (biologically) their own.
#3. I never said nor implied that you aren't a real man if you're not willing to step up and raise another man's child. However; I DID say: "There are many, many REAL Black men out there who are not afraid of stepping up to the plate and helping to raise the child(ren) of the woman he loves even though they're not biologically his". (There's a difference)
#4. Women do not define the parameters of manhood. We do. However; how we treat women and children is a PARAMOUNT aspect in our roles as men, as fathers, as brothers, as heads of house, as leaders and as mentors.
Finally...
#5. When exactly did it become a "Dehumanization tactic" to care for children that aren't biologically yours...? Perhaps if you cared more about loving the children and less about "shaming" the mothers, our community would be better and stronger....

 

[MistaPhantastic]

No.
No, to all of this.
#1. I find it interesting that you chose to quote only part of my original statement and conveniently left out the: "...to raise the child(ren) of the woman he loves even though they're not biologically his".
#2. A man defines his OWN destiny. And many men don't feel like they're being "a utility" for women's needs or "the collective" by lovingly engaging in the rearing of children who are not (biologically) their own.
#3. I never said nor implied that you aren't a real man if you're not willing to step up and raise another man's child. However; I DID say: "There are many, many REAL Black men out there who are not afraid of stepping up to the plate and helping to raise the child(ren) of the woman he loves even though they're not biologically his". (There's a difference)
#4. Women do not define the parameters of manhood. We do. However; how we treat women and children is a PARAMOUNT aspect in our roles as men, as fathers, as brothers, as heads of house, as leaders and as mentors.
Finally...
#5. When exactly did it become a "Dehumanization tactic" to care for children...? Perhaps if you cared more about loving the children and less about "shaming" the mothers, our community would be better and stronger....

Since you seem to think I'm taking you out of context (which I am not), I'll answer your points as you have stated them so that no confusion occurs, k?
#1) Feelings "he loves", etc. obviously affect the choices that an individual makes. Its not wrong or right, it just is. People feel, therefore they do.
#2) Whether or not you "feel" like you are utility is irrelevant. If you are a hammer and you hit a nail, you are part of the construction process whether you enjoy being a hammer or not. Just the facts, Jack.
#3) Just by using "real men", you are using shaming tactics. A man is biologically a man when he has XY chromosomes. By whose definition are you determining manhood? Feelings have nothing to do with it. A good father can be commended for his fatherhood without demeaning others for their choices or for their lack of "dutiful behavior" as fathers. In any case, all are men. Societal conditioned shaming tactics are not necessary.
#4) How you treat women is a paramount role in your role as a man. Tibetan monks who take bhikṣu vows are men. They have almost no contact with women and don't father children. They are still men. So, while how you treat a person morally in American society may play a part in how you are perceived and how well a society functions, it still does not define your manhood.
#5) You really lose respect for this one. Strawman tactics now? That is not what I said and you know it. You are making a weak ass attempt to spin what was said because you have no grounds otherwise.
Its really simple. Let me "mansplain" it to you. A man is a man no matter what he chooses. Period. Simple. Shaming is a dehumanization tactic. Caring for children is a noble act but does not define you as a man.
Since you don't have a damn clue as to what I personally care about, I won't even bother with your "if you cared more about blah blah" bullshit.
You're really in your feelings, Drake Jr. Should I get you some pamprin? (btw, that is a shaming tactic, in case you didn't figure it out)
Now, do you feel as if I have given you enough personal attention to validate you? Good. We're done here.

 

[CptMARVEL]

Since you seem to think I'm taking you out of context (which I am not), I'll answer your points as you have stated them so that no confusion occurs, k?
#1) Feelings "he loves", etc. obviously affect the choices that an individual makes. Its not wrong or right, it just is. People feel, therefore they do.
#2) Whether or not you "feel" like you are utility is irrelevant. If you are a hammer and you hit a nail, you are part of the construction process whether you enjoy being a hammer or not. Just the facts, Jack.
#3) Just by using "real men", you are using shaming tactics. A man is biologically a man when he has XY chromosomes. By whose definition are you determining manhood? Feelings have nothing to do with it. A good father can be commended for his fatherhood without demeaning others for their choices or for their lack of "dutiful behavior" as fathers. In any case, all are men. Societal conditioned shaming tactics are not necessary.
#4) How you treat women is a paramount role in your role as a man. Tibetan monks who take bhikṣu vows are men. They have almost no contact with women and don't father children. They are still men. So, while how you treat a person morally in American society may play a part in how you are perceived and how well a society functions, it still does not define your manhood.
#5) You really lose respect for this one. Strawman tactics now? That is not what I said and you know it. You are making a weak ass attempt to spin what was said because you have no grounds otherwise.
Its really simple. Let me "mansplain" it to you. A man is a man no matter what he chooses. Period. Simple. Shaming is a dehumanization tactic. Caring for children is a noble act but does not define you as a man.
Since you don't have a damn clue as to what I personally care about, I won't even bother with your "if you cared more about blah blah" bullshit.
You're really in your feelings, Drake Jr. Should I get you some pamprin? (btw, that is a shaming tactic, in case you didn't figure it out)
Now, do you feel as if I have given you enough personal attention to validate you? Good. We're done here.

"Drake Jr."?
"Should I get you some pamprin?"?
Give me enough personal attention to validate me?
Such personal attacks on someone who NEVER engaged or challenged you in the 1st place.

Dude, I think you've got this very, very twisted.
- Your assessment of men and manhood seems to be a bit... "vague". And clearly; these days, biology is no longer the primary basis on determining whether or not you are seen as male or female.
- How you feel is NOT irrelevant. How a man feels as an individual often determines how he will act. However, if YOU feel like you are just "a utility", then I guess that's what you are.
- You claim that caring for children is a "noble" act and doesn't define you as a man, but I never said it is. I did say it's a PARAMOUNT ASPECT in our roles as men, as fathers, as brothers, as heads of house, as leaders and as mentors. (But, based on your "arguments" here, I imagine that you're not a "women & children 1st" kinda guy whenever danger or tragedy arise . ).
- Tibetan monks? Really? Just how many Tibetan monks do you actually know? And just because they have almost no contact with women (as far as you know) does NOT mean they treat women and children with any less love, respect or compassion. (FYI there actually have always been TIBETIAN NUNS in the religion). Please look it up....
- A good father is a good father. Plain and simple. This also means men being a good father to the children of the woman he's loves or is now involved with but whom he himself didn't sire with that woman. However, YOU seem to want to preface that concept with terms like "dehumanizing tactics, shaming tactics, straw man tactics or how women define manhood". (Lotta tactics with you).
- You say I lost your respect on point #5. However; I was never actually trying to "gain" your respect to begin with, but oh, well...

We just agree to disagree.
Leave it at that without all the personal attacks.
(Because, yes. That's what REAL MEN do...)

Peace...

 

[MistaPhantastic]

"- Your assessment of men and manhood seems to be a bit... "vague"."
No, its not. XX chromosomes = female. XY chromosomes = male. Its science.

"and clearly; these days, biology is no longer the primary basis on determining whether or not you are seen as male or female."
You also seem to have sex and gender confused.

On caring for children- "a PARAMOUNT ASPECT in our roles as men, as fathers, as brothers, as heads of house, as leaders and as mentors."

No, its not. How you serve as a utility does not define your manhood. I'm wasting time here. You are so deeply socially conditioned into believing this that there is no amount of reason that will get through to you.
You can spend most of your life locked in a lab, going to work and home and back to work, develop a cure for ALS or testicular cancer, being an only child, not being married and not fathering children, not being a leader and not mentoring anyone. You would still be a man. Your function in society would still be utilitarian but in a different way. You could live not loving women but not hating or harming them and having very little contact with children, not loving nor hating them, either.

Nothing you said in your previous posts define manhood. Its all social conditioning. I don't think any of those traits are bad. I just know that they don't define what a man is. The very fact that anyone thinks they do is proof of male roles as utilities in western society. Its necessary for this society to function in the way that it does but it is absolutely not defining of man and manhood. Furthermore... fuck it. Good day, sir.

 

[The Plutonian]

Man y’all getting too deep in this mf. Anyway the one girl I was talking about just asked could I fill up her gas tank. Really. Just like that huh? Had to block her ass. Ok, back to the show y’all

 

[ZuluSam]

Man y’all getting too deep in this mf. Anyway the one girl I was talking about just asked could I fill up her gas tank. Really. Just like that huh? Had to block her ass. Ok, back to the show y’all

LOL. Subject really hit some nerves up in this muthafucka.

 

[johnnybills]

Silly ass hoes..

 

[mchammertoeeesss]

already queued up. raised him from a toddler like his own.

 

[3rd__Optic]

Being a step father is like someone asking you to come help clean up after a party you were not invited to.