Why are you so against fast food workers making $15 a hour?

[LordSinister]

When unemployment is high, it's the employer's market, no different than if you wanted to throw a party and had 7 DJs who wanted to do it, YOU not only get to chose who you want to do it, but you also get to dictate the price, those that don't agree simply won't be the ones doing your party, in other words there simply are no other jobs for their "former" employees to go to, and in today's microwave world "food prep" has been cut down to the bare minimum, an overwhelmingly large percentage of fast food today comes prepackaged as ready to serve, there's no grill to learn, no vegetables to prep, hell, there's not even a register to learn since everything is just small icons on a touchscreen, ALL of these are the reasons why they are only paid minimum wage, but make no mistake, I do WHOLE-HEARTEDLY agree that the minimum wage being $7.25/hr is absolutely ridiculous in NY, especially when states like Washington are as high as $9.19/hr!

And as an Ex-DJ, I know exactly what you mean. Dudes would DJ parties for $100 and fuck up the market. But they sucked ass, but a lot of times the schools or people didn't know or care.

But, after a while, a lot of them were not making money, plus they were fucking up weddings and party's, so the prices went back up.

Everyone thinks it's easy to simply replace all of these people, but with whom? Some people will never work fast food, and some people will simply never work. Or they will be high, or on drugs and stealing.

Call the bluff, and let the scabs come in and fill the positions. I'd love to see that.

 

[BKF]

And as an Ex-DJ, I know exactly what you mean. Dudes would DJ parties for $100 and fuck up the market. But they sucked ass, but a lot of times the schools or people didn't know or care.

But, after a while, a lot of them were not making money, plus they were fucking up weddings and party's, so the prices went back up.

Everyone thinks it's easy to simply replace all of these people, but with whom? Some people will never work fast food, and some people will simply never work. Or they will be high, or on drugs and stealing.

Call the bluff, and let the scabs come in and fill the positions. I'd love to see that.

I've seen McDonald and other fast food joints staff practically change over night. Especially when the new manger is Latino.

 

[Djmarkxr7]

And as an Ex-DJ, I know exactly what you mean. Dudes would DJ parties for $100 and fuck up the market. But they sucked ass, but a lot of times the schools or people didn't know or care.

But, after a while, a lot of them were not making money, plus they were fucking up weddings and party's, so the prices went back up.

Everyone thinks it's easy to simply replace all of these people, but with whom? Some people will never work fast food, and some people will simply never work. Or they will be high, or on drugs and stealing.

Call the bluff, and let the scabs come in and fill the positions. I'd love to see that.

If peeps were working I'd agree with you, but simply put look @ what Ronald Reagan did to PATCO, the air traffic controllers union, back in the 80s, he not only called their bluff, he also DID NOT ALLOW ANYONE who didn't cross the picket lines to be rehired, and if EVER there where a skilled position, it's air traffic controller!

I myself once helped get a closed down store (Roy Rogers) up & running in less than a week with an entirely new staff.

In the past it may have taken 2-3 days for an employee to become proficient @ a particular position, that time has now dropped because most items now come pre-packaged/pre-cooked as a means of quality control, not only does this remove employee error in preparation, it extends holding time and helps to control waste, and as I've pointed out, waste & wages are the two main things that the stores themselves have the most input over, McDonald's profits have gone up more due to in-house controls, rather than increased sales, their sales for the past year actually have gone down.

 

[brickwall92]

I've seen McDonald and other fast food joints staff practically change over night. Especially when the new manger is Latino.

we disagree... on almost everything regarding how workers should get paid ,but on this issue... man I've seen that first hand mostly black and some white.. then all of a sudden it's Latino... then it can switch again

 

[Drayonis]

This here. I'd gladly pay a higher price for my meal if it meant the employees were paid more, although I don't eat fast food often. You can't weed out all bad employees, but I would think that a significantly higher pay might make them care more about how they treat the customers and how they handle the food.

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Management 101, giving a shitty employee more money doesn't make them less shitty.Some of you guys shoukd really walk a day on the other side.

 

[Djmarkxr7]

Management 101, giving a shitty employee more money doesn't make them less shitty.Some of you guys shoukd really walk a day on the other side.

I've TRIED to tell them, you can pay a shitty employee $100/hr and they'll STILL have a shitty attitude and be late for work!​

 

[brickwall92]

I've TRIED to tell them, you can pay a shitty employee $100/hr and they'll STILL have a shitty attitude and be late for work!​

I understand everyplace has to have shitty employees.. way of life


but you really think , though we know it wouldn't happen ... if a social experiment occurred and someone really got 100 an hour for 6 months... they wouldn't know the time it would last btw .. they would still be shitty employees ? and if so what percentage out of 100 ?

I know cats who weren't traditional hard workers.. who got 12-13 dollar an hours jobs. not the highest paying area.. unless you're in certain industries,,, who grind to keep it.. . because they know.. it's not going up for them.. but more than likely down

 

[john blackcorn]

Chicago's living expenses are not that bad depending on what side of town but NYC and LA is bonkers. These people are working food slave wages...I still believe that fast food is not a career and should be used as a stepping stone or a job for teenagers but yeah they need to up that wage out there.

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I've TRIED to tell them, you can pay a shitty employee $100/hr and they'll STILL have a shitty attitude and be late for work!​

i know when i was a teenager i didnt wanna get a fucking fasy food job, and i came into work with a fuckin attitude because i was working a shitty ass job for 7.25 an hr. who do u know is gonna be happy about flipping burgers for 7.25 an hr? bump that up to 12 and a person will probably swallow their pride and do work

idc if it was 20 dollars an hour, im not working no fast food joint EVER! i worked at hardees for 3 weeks when i was 16 and walked out that bitch

 

[Djmarkxr7]

I understand everyplace has to have shitty employees.. way of life


but you really think , though we know it wouldn't happen ... if a social experiment occurred and someone really got 100 an hour for 6 months... they wouldn't know the time it would last btw .. they would still be shitty employees ? and if so what percentage out of 100 ?

I know cats who weren't traditional hard workers.. who got 12-13 dollar an hours jobs. not the highest paying area.. unless you're in certain industries,,, who grind to keep it.. . because they know.. it's not going up for them.. but more than likely down

You would be the exception, NOT the rule!

NOTHING is absolute, of course higher pay might turn a few employees around attitude-wise, but let's not forget why the store is there to begin with, as an owner, would you be willing to sacrifice a minimum of half (probably more, it depends on which direction productivity goes in, whether it goes up or remains stagnant) of your store's profit so that 2-3 employees will walk around visibly happier?!?

And keep in mind that as a franchise, corporate ain't trying to hear that profit is down, they are only going to say two words...

Pay us!

And they mean EXACTLY what you paid before you gave the employees raises, and not one cent less!!!

 

[Djmarkxr7]

i know when i was a teenager i didnt wanna get a fucking fasy food job, and i came into work with a fuckin attitude because i was working a shitty ass job for 7.25 an hr. who do u know is gonna be happy about flipping burgers for 7.25 an hr? bump that up to 12 and a person will probably swallow their pride and do work

idc if it was 20 dollars an hour, im not working no fast food joint EVER! i worked at hardees for 3 weeks when i was 16 and walked out that bitch

Again, this may work in the short term for that particular store, but what about the stores surrounding it, which now ALL have to increase their wages in order to compete, and while Target & Walmart can absorb this, most small businesses in the area can start their closing clocks ticking, because ANYONE operating with a thin or seasonal profit margin, will be staring bankruptcy in the face!

Keep in mind that as much as peeps talk about bad attitude employees here, quite a few STILL keep going, so why should the stores change?!?

Certain jobs have high turnover, that's actually part of their business model, it's this high turnover that keeps wages down, and again I'll point out that wages have more than doubled in the fast food industry, NO OTHER INDUSTRY comes close to this number...

Except professional sports!

 

[pilot0332]

Gentlemen, I'm sure that many of you are more knowledgeable of this subject than I but please allow me to impart my opinion. Even though the fast food workers are the topic of the post, this is really about a much bigger picture. As a previous poster showed, wages have become stagnant for MOST AMERICANS. These fast food workers could potentially be the start of a much bigger labor movement which could help the entire country.

 

[Coldchi]

upping their wage by that much is just gonna open pandora's box. won't be long before people that pick onions and oranges start demanding $15/hr to do that shit.

 

[bromack1]

I've TRIED to tell them, you can pay a shitty employee $100/hr and they'll STILL have a shitty attitude and be late for work!​

I agree...

 

[bromack1]

Gentlemen, I'm sure that many of you are more knowledgeable of this subject than I but please allow me to impart my opinion. Even though the fast food workers are the topic of the post, this is really about a much bigger picture. As a previous poster showed, wages have become stagnant for MOST AMERICANS. These fast food workers could potentially be the start of a much bigger labor movement which could help the entire country.

Help the entire country... drive up "costs" of McD's burgers is what it will do... that $1.00 burger you buy when times are hard will increase to over 4 bucks...

don't believe the hype... most francise owners make only 5% profit-if that much- against the overall cost of his actual expenses and running his store.

some people need grow up... you can't stay in 1st grade forever. Fast food franchises are "starter" jobs. thats all they were ever intended to be..

I have never met a millionaire who was a "chief fry cooker" because of his employment at Mcdonalds or Burger king

 

[bromack1]

"McDonald's franchises make up more than 80 percent of McDonald's restaurants worldwide."

For the folks that keep saying McDonalds is a rich corporation. Well that's true but they only own and operate 20% of the McDonalds restaurants. The rest are owned by smaller corporations and small business owners. They are not the billion dollars business that corporate McDonald is.

Yep.... the majority of fast food restaurants are owned by small businesses.... that is, the guy who could be your next door neighbor...

Everybody believes the guy who runs a lot of cash through his cash register must be rich.... and that might be true for some...but being a small business owner doesn't exactly make you "well off." Its a job and a damned tough one perhaps more than any other job you might have.

What happens if the neighborhood changes and your fast food store is not the "magnet" it used to be. Now, you got slow pay with your vendors and possible bankruptcy.

Are your employees gonna have to deal with that. Nope... they move on and get another job... but you the owner gotta deal with the ruined reputation and credit.
And we as black folk have a hard time understanding why professional athletes, especially black ones go broke 5 years after there playing days are over.

 

[JamesATL]

mcd pays $14 and $15hr in ND

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/...uses_n_1220088.html#s609464title=10_Austin_TX

 

[JamesATL]

upping their wage by that much is just gonna open pandora's box. won't be long before people that pick onions and oranges start demanding $15/hr to do that shit.

cosign

then folks who make $20hr, gonna want $40 hr, etc.

 

[Djmarkxr7]

Gentlemen, I'm sure that many of you are more knowledgeable of this subject than I but please allow me to impart my opinion. Even though the fast food workers are the topic of the post, this is really about a much bigger picture. As a previous poster showed, wages have become stagnant for MOST AMERICANS. These fast food workers could potentially be the start of a much bigger labor movement which could help the entire country.

ABSOLUTELY TRUE, but the funny thing is that while wages have remained stagnant for most middle-class Americans, it HASN'T remained that way for FF workers, their pay has more than doubled, and in some cases tripled, since the late 1980s!!!

1986 Federal minimum wage = $3.35/hr

2013 Federal minimum wage = $7.25/hr
(but many states have their own self-imposed minimums of $8/hr & higher, in Wash. it's $9.19/hr, also keep in mind that in many stores the starting wage is higher, according to the prevailing wage in the area of each particular location)

 

[geist]

Gentlemen, I'm sure that many of you are more knowledgeable of this subject than I but please allow me to impart my opinion. Even though the fast food workers are the topic of the post, this is really about a much bigger picture. As a previous poster showed, wages have become stagnant for MOST AMERICANS. These fast food workers could potentially be the start of a much bigger labor movement which could help the entire country.

You can't make too much sense in these types of threads. Bigger societal picture? What's that?

 

[Famous1]

Management 101, giving a shitty employee more money doesn't make them less shitty.Some of you guys shoukd really walk a day on the other side.

no it doesn't .... but paying more will bring you a better quality of employee...

 

[fabregas]

At $15 macdonalds will attract better employees. Most of the current employees will have to be fired.

From the desk of Hiss Excellency.

 

[geist]

no it doesn't .... but paying more will bring you a better quality of employee...

Not necessarily, but the thing is, $15 isn't even executive type money, it's still below the poverty level. It might make those type of jobs a little more competitive though.

 

[Drayonis]

i know when i was a teenager i didnt wanna get a fucking fasy food job, and i came into work with a fuckin attitude because i was working a shitty ass job for 7.25 an hr.

I have 16-17 year olds that make 14 dollars an hour on average and can make much more working at my shops and a lot of them are still lazy, calling in all the time and making excuses for fucking up. Management 101, money is not a motivator for shitty attitudes.

who do u know is gonna be happy about flipping burgers for 7.25 an hr? bitch

Who? Most 16-17 year olds who know they have to pay their dues, learn work ethic and wait their turn to make the big bucks, that's who. Grown folks who dropped out of highschool and are waiting for a big pay day from that job gonna be sour, but there is a thing called a mirror.

idc if it was 20 dollars an hour, im not working no fast food joint EVER! i worked at hardees for 3 weeks when i was 16 and walked out that bitch

Like I said, if you were 16 years old and expected more at that age then you're spoiled as shit. I knew my first jobs weren't paying well and my attitude was great, and no I didn't need grown man money because I lived at home and my mom and dad they still did the heavy lifting for me financially. We deal with too many kids that want to put the cart before the horse.

 

[Drayonis]

At $15 macdonalds will attract better employees. Most of the current employees will have to be fired.

From the desk of Hiss Excellency.

And then where will the work? You do know that's thousands of employees right? Grown folks as well as young folks....Where are they going to work?

Oh I know, they'll be shopping at your crib when you aren't at home.

 

[Drayonis]

You can't make too much sense in these types of threads. Bigger societal picture? What's that?

How many people have you employed? Seriously. No fronting, how many? Because I really think you guys are talking from the other side of the desk and aren't speaking form experience.

I've given people raises in the past and guess what? In a few days they same behavior they had before, still continued afterwards (up until they got fired)...

One the of the business classes I took in college was a segment on motivation and we discussed fiscal motivation vs. physical motivation....fiscal motivation, money doesn't work as well as physical motivation does.

Ever wonder why so many companies give out the Hawaiian vacation at the end of the year? Because people are motivated by things they can touch or feel. Money? They are already getting money and in most cases are already living within the boundaries set by it. So people will go all out and sell as much as possible for a Hawaiian vacation vs. a huge bonus at the end of the year. They visualize it, imagine the vacation, tell their wives and kids...money...meh....

 

[Drayonis]

Yep.... the majority of fast food restaurants are owned by small businesses.... that is, the guy who could be your next door neighbor...

Everybody believes the guy who runs a lot of cash through his cash register must be rich.... and that might be true for some...but being a small business owner doesn't exactly make you "well off." Its a job and a damned tough one perhaps more than any other job you might have.
.

I keep trying to tell these dudes that. Employees always see money coming through the register and assume, DAMN the owner getting paid! But they don't consider overhead, payroll, insurance, rent, cost of goods, and a slew of other shit involved....they just see money and go, shit they making all this bread, where's mine?

Try having a 22k oayroll one week and only have 12k in the bank because all your accounts receivable hasn't came in yet. Most motherfuckers will be scratching there heads talking about..."b-but we made all this money...!"

 

[geist]

How many people have you employed? Seriously. No fronting, how many? Because I really think you guys are talking from the other side of the desk and aren't speaking form experience.

I've given people raises in the past and guess what? In a few days they same behavior they had before, still continued afterwards (up until they got fired)...

One the of the business classes I took in college was a segment on motivation and we discussed fiscal motivation vs. physical motivation....fiscal motivation, money doesn't work as well as physical motivation does.

Ever wonder why so many companies give out the Hawaiian vacation at the end of the year? Because people are motivated by things they can touch or feel. Money? They are already getting money and in most cases are already living within the boundaries set by it. So people will go all out and sell as much as possible for a Hawaiian vacation vs. a huge bonus at the end of the year. They visualize it, imagine the vacation, tell their wives and kids...money...meh....

I have two jobs, both of which I'm involved in the heavily involved in the hiring process. So I do know, you can be fooled by a resume or an interview into thinking this person is right for the job. So to answer your question, yes, I've hired more people than you think. One thing about bgol that I've learned is there aren't many CEOs here, but there aren't as many people flipping burgers as you might think either. Just because someone doesn't share the same viewpoint as you doesn't necessarily make them a peon.

It sounds like you are talking about sales with your fiscal motivation vs physical motivation. Though I could be wrong. But here's the thing: we aren't talking about that sector, so that model isn't going to work here. We are talking about a sector where their only motivation is financial. McDonald's, Walmart, Verizon.....don't give trips to Hawaii. This is your detachment from THIS situation talking and so many of us have a problem with.

So again I'm going to point out the points and questions that your business classes and experience that haven't been answered.

1) why be against these people asking for $15 an hour? That was the original question. It still hasn't been answered in a manner that's not a talking point on Fox News, which some of us just aren't falling for.

2) if COL is rising, and wages are stagnant, that's a problem. This is only the beginning.

3) is $15 an hour asking for too much? Even when it's still below poverty level?

I'm going to say this again and I'm going to leave it at "we'll just have to agree to disagree". I look at things from a wider perspective than most. Poverty is something that effects us all. When you have two kids and you are making $7.25 an hour, you are most certainly living in poverty. I could go on and on about the cycle of poverty and how your business classes didn't teach you why you should care about that. But I figure you as a black man, shouldn't need a class to show you that.

 

[DeSiRe]

Poverty is something that effects us all.

good post...

i dont understand why some people are so okay with such a large part of our population living below the poverty level

america wont be a first world country too much longer if people keep thinking like that

 

[Drayonis]

good post...

i dont understand why some people are so okay with such a large part of our population living below the poverty level

america wont be a first world country too much longer if people keep thinking like that

Are you willing to give up 50% of your income to take care of another person? Yes or no. Answer the question.

 

[bromack1]

I keep trying to tell these dudes that. Employees always see money coming through the register and assume, DAMN the owner getting paid! But they don't consider overhead, payroll, insurance, rent, cost of goods, and a slew of other shit involved....they just see money and go, shit they making all this bread, where's mine?

Try having a 22k oayroll one week and only have 12k in the bank because all your accounts receivable hasn't came in yet. Most motherfuckers will be scratching there heads talking about..."b-but we made all this money...!"

hey... ya talkin over there heads...

 

[DeSiRe]

Are you willing to give up 50% of your income to take care of another person? Yes or no. Answer the question.

are you saying my income will be cut in half after taxes? or my taxes be increased to 50% of my income?

also...of all the ways to compensate for increasing the pay of service workers why is this the solution?....where is this "50%" coming from?

i really cant give you a firm answer until those questions were answered

 

[Drayonis]

are you saying my income will be cut in half after taxes? or my taxes be increased to 50% of my income?

also...of all the ways to compensate for increasing the pay of service workers why is this the solution?....where is this "50%" coming from?

i really cant give you a firm answer until those questions were answered

Half your pay after taxes. Completely 50% of your take home earnings. Poverty is bad right? Something should be done, according to you. Are you willing to give up half in order to pull up someone working at Mcdonalds. Yes or no? Simple question.

 

[bham_brotha]

Australia's minimum wage: $15.96
Australia's cost for a double quarter pounder: $6.25
Australia's cost for a DQ Pounder meal: $8.25
Australia's cost for a 2013 Ford Focus, USED: $38,000
Australia's average home cost in Sydney: $620K

That's what a 350K home looks like over there. That, is what you have to look forward to when the minimum wage gets doubled. It's nowhere near as simple as just paying out more money without everything else being raised as a result of it.

 

[DeSiRe]

Half your pay after taxes. Completely 50% of your take home earnings. Poverty is bad right? Something should be done, according to you. Are you willing to give up half in order to pull up someone working at Mcdonalds. Yes or no? Simple question.

to humor you...i am willing to take a sacrifice for the greater good for the great number

but you never answered my question...so i cant give you a firm yes or no

where are you getting this 50% from

just seems really hypothetical and random...

its like asking me am i willing to give 67% of my income up....or maybe 70%...or am i willing to send my first born to a boarding school to save the economy...

how is this a solution even worth entertaining?

 

[brickwall92]

ABSOLUTELY TRUE, but the funny thing is that while wages have remained stagnant for most middle-class Americans, it HASN'T remained that way for FF workers, their pay has more than doubled, and in some cases tripled, since the late 1980s!!!

1986 Federal minimum wage = $3.35/hr

2013 Federal minimum wage = $7.25/hr
(but many states have their own self-imposed minimums of $8/hr & higher, in Wash. it's $9.19/hr, also keep in mind that in many stores the starting wage is higher, according to the prevailing wage in the area of each particular location)

Shit you said that like it's something amazing... it had "doubled" !!

If someone was getting paid 2 bucks an hour... then get's 4.. it doubled .. but it's nothing special...

Infact with inflation... a average minimum wage working in 86 is doing better than one in 2013...