Why are you so against fast food workers making $15 a hour?

[shaddyvillethug]

Y'all want ray ray and lakeisha makin y'all coffee?

 

[Upgrade Dave]

its crazy how dudes who are against fast-food workers gettin paid more will use faulty logic, ramble or just outright lie just to prove their point
and when facts get posted they either just disappear or pretend like the shit wasnt posted an continue with their argument

another thing they need to consider is that paying more to people who spend most of their pay checks would be a huge boost to the economy
even if they go out spend the cash on bullshit, all them people that gotta work at them stores will be in a much better position to get raises themselves

oh and robotics an automation is gonna get rid of 90% of the fast food jobs in a 15 or so years, maybe sooner
http://gizmodo.com/5962656/this-robo+griller-can-flip-360-burgers-an-hour
http://www.dvice.com/archives/2012/11/burger_making_r.php

how long before these things are dirt cheap an easy maintain

thats right, get youre strike on

you are the life line of these fast food joints

they cant ship these jobs overseas

pay you or the business doesnt make any money at all

its the only option

They're actually striking? Damn. The fast food places can have them replaced in minutes. There are too many unskilled people looking for work or extra work. There also the 'overqualified' types that these places turn down. Plenty of 'homemakers' who need the job to contribute something to the household.

I know corporations could pay more, but they always been greedy pigs.

That's why people should strike en masse. They can't replace everyone. Who's going to train a store full of new people, much less multiple stores full of new people?
That kind of irrational fear is what aids the major employers. They can replace an employee or a couple of employees but they can't fire a lot of employees. The power of the workers has always been in numbers. Unions understood them generations ago but since the 80s, people have been fooled into thinking they did it "all by themselves", forgetting the shoulders of those they're standing on.

 

[gene cisco]

That's why people should strike en masse. They can't replace everyone. Who's going to train a store full of new people, much less multiple stores full of new people?
That kind of irrational fear is what aids the major employers. They can replace an employee or a couple of employees but they can't fire a lot of employees. The power of the workers has always been in numbers. Unions understood them generations ago but since the 80s, people have been fooled into thinking they did it "all by themselves", forgetting the shoulders of those they're standing on.

That would work if all McDonald's employees were people trying to make careers out of that shit. I'd laugh in their fucking faces if I was a high school kid or 19 or so working that job while in school. GTFOH with a strike. I'm just passing through.

Fuck is a high school kid or college kid going on strike for? Fuck does an old person who is using the job to stay active, not be lonely, and for extra money need to go on strike for? What about homemakers who are just earning gas, cellphone, and cable money? Husbands are just happy some women are getting off their asses. Then you have people on assistance who purposely keep income at certain levels. Just too many non-career folks at McDonald's. I haven't seen any strikers up here.

What's next? The guy at the car wash goes on strike? The paperboy? Convenient store clerks?

We all know the corporations are greedy fucks, but there are too many people working at McDonald's who take the job for what it is and not a fucking career. People are just working there while living with their folks until they get their shit together. This strike is going to fuck up their club, drink, and smoke money.

What's funny is I bet these fast food joints have a shit load of applicants they can call back. College kids eating top ramen will jump on the chance for some extra money.

 

[Famous1]

ANY business pays a prevailing wage according to the requisite business, with regional factors being applied @ the local level (i.e. Houston & Connecticut stores paying more because high income areas, low unemployment regions), if ALL fast food places raised their starting salary to $15/hr than ALL surrounding businesses would have to do the same just to retain employees, I pointed this out earlier, while places like McDonald's, Target & Wal-Mart can handle this, this would effectively serve to severely hamper the few remaining "Mom & Pop" type stores & small business chains that already run on slim profit margins.

Also, you need to study economics more, while people having more money is a good thing, it doesn't necessarily translate into them spending more, THAT is the basis for what is known as Ronald Reagan's (and the Republican) theory of "Trickle-Down" economics, the MORE people you having working, the MORE money goes into the economy and also creates a larger tax base, THIS is what drove the economy during the Bill Clinton years, an era in which he taxed the wealthy more, but added over 23 million jobs to the economy.






It's not crazy, just realistic, companies are driven by profits, @ the higher levels management works for bonuses, @ the lowest levels the two things that are ALWAYS within complete control of management are wages & waste, EVERYTHING today is about efficiency, being able to do more with less, management ranks have been cut along with rank & file workers, because this amounts to higher profits for the company @ large, NO business is in business to LOSE money, PERIOD!







First off, since we are mainly talking about fast food peeps need to remember that higher corporate profits do NOT equal better pay for employees, in fact they have little to do with employees, since the majority of most fast food places are franchises THEY GET THEIR MONEY OFF THE TOP, REGARDLESS OF INDIVIDUAL STORE INCOME, so McDonald's as a company doesn't really care what franchisees pay their employees, that money comes out of THEIR profits, NOT the corporation!

Corporate store = EVERYTHING run by parent corporate entity

Franchise store = While name & product are familiar, EVERYTHING else is run by another individual or company (i.e. Riese Brothers in NY) who pay a monthly fee to the corporate entity for using their product & name, this fee DOES NOT CHANGE according to sales, franchises must also buy ALL product from corporate entity to maintain quality control, because of this setup a store can "fail" while corporate profits continue to rise, McDonald's is extremely successful, but I've seen more than one Burger King & KFC shut down because, while the parent company was making money, the individual stores themselves weren't profitable.

Peeps keep glossing over the fact that NOBODY was clamoring for McDonald's/fast food worker wages to go up back in the 80s, 90s, or early 2000s, but now they are, has ANYONE asked WHY?!?

It's ONLY because of the squeeze that's been created by the fact that middle-class jobs have been going overseas @ record rates and now people are looking to the jobs that are remaining to foot their bills, but NOTHING has changed from the fast food POV, they are enjoying record profits NOT because of low wages, but because of streamlining waste and promoting efficiency, the minimum wage has more than doubled over the last 30 years, WHAT other industry can say that their pay scale has doubled in that same time period?!?

NONE!

Since any owner, before setting up business, has a business model, @ this point in time this DOES NOT include paying workers $15/hr, while they may be forced to do so, TRUST that many more employees will be fired or just never hired, businesses simply do not exist for employees & their families, they exist to make profits for the owner(s), no more, no less!

This ISN'T hate towards fast food workers, it's being realistic about the business world.

In major metro areas though, the pay should hover around $10/hr, any less & I would be on strike as well!

your definition of trickle down economics is wrong...
CEO pay is up 300% of that same time period you mention.

 

[Djmarkxr7]

your definition of trickle down economics is wrong...
CEO pay is up 300% of that same time period you mention.

???

"Trickle-down economics" and the "trickle-down theory" are terms in United States politics to refer to the idea that tax breaks or other economic benefits provided by government to businesses and the wealthy will benefit poorer members of society by improving the economy as a whole.

You were saying???

Whether it's tax breaks or raises, his thinking was putting more money in peoples pockets so they would spend more, that is the core of TDE!

What I stated about Clinton and jobs was NOT my definition!

Executive pay is WAY out of kilter with society as a whole, but as the old saying goes "He who pays the piper, gets to call the tune", since these are for the most part private businesses, not a lot can be done about pay structure @ the top except by stockholders, this will ALWAYS be a point of contention, and extremely unfair, but it would literally take rioting in the streets for any thought of change to happen, waayyy too much money is being made by corporations, and in turn stock holders, for anything to change @ the ground level.

 

[BKF]

That would work if all McDonald's employees were people trying to make careers out of that shit. I'd laugh in their fucking faces if I was a high school kid or 19 or so working that job while in school. GTFOH with a strike. I'm just passing through.

Fuck is a high school kid or college kid going on strike for? Fuck does an old person who is using the job to stay active, not be lonely, and for extra money need to go on strike for? What about homemakers who are just earning gas, cellphone, and cable money? Husbands are just happy some women are getting off their asses. Then you have people on assistance who purposely keep income at certain levels. Just too many non-career folks at McDonald's. I haven't seen any strikers up here.

What's next? The guy at the car wash goes on strike? The paperboy? Convenient store clerks?

We all know the corporations are greedy fucks, but there are too many people working at McDonald's who take the job for what it is and not a fucking career. People are just working there while living with their folks until they get their shit together. This strike is going to fuck up their club, drink, and smoke money.

What's funny is I bet these fast food joints have a shit load of applicants they can call back. College kids eating top ramen will jump on the chance for some extra money.

Yup..all of this..

 

[Theo_Huxtable]

everybodies wages wont have to go up but the additional cash that'll be circulating in the economy will make it possible for alot of people to get raises




what are these assertions based on
why is it realistic for a millioniare ceos and management to give themselves outrageous pay-raises but hookin up the workers is crazy




why is $10 more do-able then $15
yall do know that most of these fast-food companies are having record profits and they buy the cheapest everything
dont know why its so hard for yall to see that paying regular people more helps everybody and making rich people richer only helps the rich

its like yall all runnin yall own companies, hidin profits from the public an the gov., gettin bailout ya, raisin prices and usin slave labor as much as ya can

ANY business pays a prevailing wage according to the requisite business, with regional factors being applied @ the local level (i.e. Houston & Connecticut stores paying more because high income areas, low unemployment regions), if ALL fast food places raised their starting salary to $15/hr than ALL surrounding businesses would have to do the same just to retain employees, I pointed this out earlier, while places like McDonald's, Target & Wal-Mart can handle this, this would effectively serve to severely hamper the few remaining "Mom & Pop" type stores & small business chains that already run on slim profit margins.

Also, you need to study economics more, while people having more money is a good thing, it doesn't necessarily translate into them spending more, THAT is the basis for what is known as Ronald Reagan's (and the Republican) theory of "Trickle-Down" economics, the MORE people you having working, the MORE money goes into the economy and also creates a larger tax base, THIS is what drove the economy during the Bill Clinton years, an era in which he taxed the wealthy more, but added over 23 million jobs to the economy.






It's not crazy, just realistic, companies are driven by profits, @ the higher levels management works for bonuses, @ the lowest levels the two things that are ALWAYS within complete control of management are wages & waste, EVERYTHING today is about efficiency, being able to do more with less, management ranks have been cut along with rank & file workers, because this amounts to higher profits for the company @ large, NO business is in business to LOSE money, PERIOD!







First off, since we are mainly talking about fast food peeps need to remember that higher corporate profits do NOT equal better pay for employees, in fact they have little to do with employees, since the majority of most fast food places are franchises THEY GET THEIR MONEY OFF THE TOP, REGARDLESS OF INDIVIDUAL STORE INCOME, so McDonald's as a company doesn't really care what franchisees pay their employees, that money comes out of THEIR profits, NOT the corporation!

Corporate store = EVERYTHING run by parent corporate entity

Franchise store = While name & product are familiar, EVERYTHING else is run by another individual or company (i.e. Riese Brothers in NY) who pay a monthly fee to the corporate entity for using their product & name, this fee DOES NOT CHANGE according to sales, franchises must also buy ALL product from corporate entity to maintain quality control, because of this setup a store can "fail" while corporate profits continue to rise, McDonald's is extremely successful, but I've seen more than one Burger King & KFC shut down because, while the parent company was making money, the individual stores themselves weren't profitable.

Peeps keep glossing over the fact that NOBODY was clamoring for McDonald's/fast food worker wages to go up back in the 80s, 90s, or early 2000s, but now they are, has ANYONE asked WHY?!?

It's ONLY because of the squeeze that's been created by the fact that middle-class jobs have been going overseas @ record rates and now people are looking to the jobs that are remaining to foot their bills, but NOTHING has changed from the fast food POV, they are enjoying record profits NOT because of low wages, but because of streamlining waste and promoting efficiency, the minimum wage has more than doubled over the last 30 years, WHAT other industry can say that their pay scale has doubled in that same time period?!?

NONE!

Since any owner, before setting up business, has a business model, @ this point in time this DOES NOT include paying workers $15/hr, while they may be forced to do so, TRUST that many more employees will be fired or just never hired, businesses simply do not exist for employees & their families, they exist to make profits for the owner(s), no more, no less!

This ISN'T hate towards fast food workers, it's being realistic about the business world.

In major metro areas though, the pay should hover around $10/hr, any less & I would be on strike as well!

You got your answer, it's a VERY simple concept that I don't see is too complicated to understand.

Fast food is VERY commonly known as that job that's at the bottom of the barrell and first job for most. Sure, being able to make $15/hr in high school (or straight out of it) and for a no-experience needed job sounds GREAT, but how is a $7 jump in raising their pay across the board realistic? It's a starter job and it doesn't require you to have any job experience...of course other jobs are going to have to follow suit and it would be an issue for smaller business owners to keep up with those wages. But it's even bigger than that.​

 

[Djmarkxr7]

That's why people should strike en masse. They can't replace everyone. Who's going to train a store full of new people, much less multiple stores full of new people?
That kind of irrational fear is what aids the major employers. They can replace an employee or a couple of employees but they can't fire a lot of employees. The power of the workers has always been in numbers. Unions understood them generations ago but since the 80s, people have been fooled into thinking they did it "all by themselves", forgetting the shoulders of those they're standing on.

Bruh, Ronald Reagan fired 11,345 air traffic controllers out of 13,000 en masse & they were replaced, and they have a HELLUVA lot more skills than fast food workers!

(in TRUE CAC form the union,PATCO, REFUSED to back the Dems & Jimmy Carter, and fell WHOLEHEARTEDLY behind the Republicans and Ronald Reagan, less than a year later HE FIRED THEIR ASSES!!!!!)

I've actually done this in the past, run stores with almost all new workers or with a "skeleton" crew, with much more food prep than there is in today's fast food world, it truly ISN'T that serious training people, absolutely NO knowledge is necessary, and further, absolutely NO knowledge of any rules, regulations or laws are necessary, THAT'S why peeps get paid more in other businesses, training, knowledge & experience, NONE of which are necessary or required in fast food!

Back when I was in fast food there was a great deal of morning food prep that went on for the day since most of the food was fresh and completely uncooked, in today's world of prepackaging and more importantly, microwave ovens ALL the back line food people do is put the food in programmed microwaves!

Have you seen a McDonald's or Burger King back line recently?!?

ALL of the burgers are cooked @ one time & then placed in a warming tray to be assembled later when a burger is ordered, they are NOT cooked as a crowd enters the store, so called "rushes", they are cooked well in advance and used up as the day goes on, notice that burgers no longer have any grease, that they are now dry?

That's why.

As far as I know, Wendy's & perhaps Checkers are the only fast food places here in NYC that still grill to order, I can't speak for Sonic & other regional chains.


Edit: I almost forgot, you're also forgetting about the people who would go out on strike's MAIN problem, NO MONEY!!!

Unions have strike funds to tide workers over until they go back to work, these people are already starting off with no money, with jobs that would be filled the following week due to the current job market, owners could afford to actually shut down for a couple of days to train new staff, similar to the way each location shut down to renovate to the stores you see today!