Why are you so against fast food workers making $15 a hour?

[BKF]

"McDonald's franchises make up more than 80 percent of McDonald's restaurants worldwide."

For the folks that keep saying McDonalds is a rich corporation. Well that's true but they only own and operate 20% of the McDonalds restaurants. The rest are owned by smaller corporations and small business owners. They are not the billion dollars business that corporate McDonald is.

 

[Upgrade Dave]

Why niggas so mad about this though?

I mean just the thought of it got y'all heated?

Some people just hate poor people. Their self esteem and self worth is based on them needing there to be people for them to feel superior than. That's the fast food worker for them (even though this about more than just fast food workers). The idea that that person, who's life story they've already created in their own head without knowing anything about that person (including their name with is on their nametag) can make an amount of money they feel is "too much" would fuck with their self worth.

 

[professor153]

You people are so fucking dense. These poor people that you guys are advocating for will not be employed if the rates went up to 15 per hour. Better people with better work ethics will be hired and your beloved poor will be unemployed.

Why would I hire some disgruntled black chick or some poor white trash bitch who will give my customers lousy customer service and probably spit in the food when I could get someone better who might be In between jobs?

 

[BKF]

You people are so fucking dense. These poor people that you guys are advocating for will not be employed if the rates went up to 15 per hour. Better people with. Enter work ethics will be hired and your beloved poor will be unemployed.

Why would I hire some disgruntled black chick or some poor white trash bitch who will give my customers lousy customer service and probably spit in the food when I could get someone better who might be In between jobs?

More like hire a bunch of illegals.

 

[DeSiRe]

You people are fucking retarded. If we are going to pay skilless workers 15 bucks per hour that means people with jobs that require minimal skills will be demanding 25 per hour, etc, etc, etc... All this means that we can expect prices to rise everywhere, inflation, etc.

It's never a good thing when idiots discuss matters concerning finance. You people should just stick to Nicky Minaj debates and shit.

what jobs are you talking about that "require minimal skills"....call centers? middle management?.....honestly those jobs need to be paid at $25/hour....especially since its designed as a step up in the career ladder...

you dont know much about inflation dont u

inflation is inevitable....the fed is a fucking joke

 

[Upgrade Dave]

You people are so fucking dense. These poor people that you guys are advocating for will not be employed if the rates went up to 15 per hour. Better people with. Enter work ethics will be hired and your beloved poor will be unemployed.

Why would I hire some disgruntled black chick or some poor white trash bitch who will give my customers lousy customer service and probably spit in the food when I could get someone better who might be In between jobs?

You are horrible misinformed.

First, learn to talk from a point of reason. It is unreasonable to suggest wages go from 7.25 to 15.00 but the point of negotiation is for one side to start high, the opposition start low and they meet in the middle. So what we're looking at is really more like a wage increase to roughly 10.50.
There have been countless studies done on this so you don't have to just keep regurgitating nonsense. They've found that there is no significant drop in employement when wages go up.
Lastly, when you pay people more, you can demand more. My wife has been a project manager for G4S for years. They pay pretty well so they get a better crop of security officers than other companies that don't pay as well.
And people will do what they want at their little, disposable 7-8 dollar an hour job but they'll tighten up when they have a job that pays them real wage. Now they can't afford to lose their job and they know there's someone else just waiting to get it.

 

[Djmarkxr7]

Funny how y'all quick to say what a McDonald's employer should pay their own employees but no one is telling David stern lebron is making too much. Only the poor can make too much.

You MUST be trolling!!!

Explain to yourself first why a doctor makes more than a McDonald's employee, and you'll understand how stupid this reply sounds!

 

[Upgrade Dave]

what jobs are you talking about that "require minimal skills"....call centers? middle management?.....honestly those jobs need to be paid at $25/hour....especially since its designed as a step up in the career ladder...

you dont know much about inflation dont u

inflation is inevitable....the fed is a fucking joke

They've been holding down inflation for years, waiting on Congress to pass more and better jobs bills. But they can't do that forever.

 

[Djmarkxr7]

You are horrible misinformed.

First, learn to talk from a point of reason. It is unreasonable to suggest wages go from 7.25 to 15.00 but the point of negotiation is for one side to start high, the opposition start low and they meet in the middle. So what we're looking at is really more like a wage increase to roughly 10.50.
There have been countless studies done on this so you don't have to just keep regurgitating nonsense. They've found that there is no significant drop in employement when wages go up.
Lastly, when you pay people more, you can demand more. My wife has been a project manager for G4S for years. They pay pretty well so they get a better crop of security officers than other companies that don't pay as well.
And people will do what they want at their little, disposable 7-8 dollar an hour job but they'll tighten up when they have a job that pays them real wage. Now they can't afford to lose their job and they know there's someone else just waiting to get it.

You mean like the thousands of school kids that decide that they now want to get a job each day?!?

I agree that the wage should be higher in NYC, and I also agree that the regular company line about having to lay off workers is mostly BS as well, but apparently most people on the board don't understand a thing called "avg. check", it's the average amount that ALL customers pay for a given location, this amount strangely is not affected by neighborhood, but by location, a store's avg. check is lower when it's next to a high school, because kids tend to order from the $1 menu, it's higher near sports stadiums and in malls because more adults flow thru that spend more money, franchise stores are already complaining to corporate McDonald's that ALL of their avg. checks are going down because they are promoting the $1 menu and coupons, keep in mind that @ corporate the share of money they receive from stores remains somewhat constant, no matter how high or low the stores sales go since ALL supplies come from the company.

Franchises do make profits, but nowhere near what they do @ the corporate level, remember that that's the beauty of a franchise, no matter WHAT they do in sales THEY STILL PAY YOU, but to consider anywhere near a $3 dollar raise changes the ENTIRE economic model for fast food PERIOD, regular restaurants can adjust to this much more readily than a fast food place can since they don't have as high a turnover of employees, but again I reiterate it's NOT the pay that makes bad employees, it's bad employees that make bad employees!

The location that a store sits in dictates the pay scale, NOT the store itself, if the surrounding stores pay $12/hr then they have no choice but to match/beat it to get good employees, if the stores in the area pay minimum wage, what impetus is there for them to pay more, how many times do I have to say this?!?

Morally speaking and microeconomically speaking SURE, give them ALL raises, but the macroeconomics of this situation dictates that you let the market itself decide.

 

[LordSinister]

Zynga just fired hundreds of employees but hired a new head for millions of dollars. His yearly salary alone could have kept those peoples jobs, but his worth to the company outweighed their worth.

You really believe that bullshit?

Yeah, great business strategy, cut the workforce and make the rest of the workers double productivity and claim you have solved the problem.

Fuck these CEO's, only a few are worth what they are paid.

And what if he runs the company into the ground? I sure bet he will get millions in exit pay for fucking up the company, while the regular workers don't get shit.

Fuckers love your masters, and the ones doing slightly better are nothing but attack dogs for the .01%. Believe me, your massa looks at you the same way they do the rest of humanity.

 

[Djmarkxr7]

They've been holding down inflation for years, waiting on Congress to pass more and better jobs bills. But they can't do that forever.

Inflation has indeed remained low, it's real costs that keep rising, and that's mainly due to gasoline because it DEFINITELY ain't wages!

 

[Upgrade Dave]

You mean like the thousands of school kids that decide that they now want to get a job each day?!?

Actually they would be competing with other full grown adults.

Morally speaking and microeconomically speaking SURE, give them ALL raises, but the macroeconomics of this situation dictates that you let the market itself decide.

The market should be allowed to decide how much of an increase, not whether there should be an increase.

 

[LordSinister]

Even now the restaurant lobby is making sure that workers in California stay @ their paltry $2.60/hr for tipped workers, so we can already see what the questions you're asking would do, NY's minimum wage needs to be raised to @ least $8.50-$9/hr, Washington State has a minimum wage of $9.19/hr.

Workers in Cali are not at $2.60 an hour. We don't have that bullshit out here.

http://www.dol.gov/whd/state/tipped.htm#California

 

[Djmarkxr7]

You really believe that bullshit?

Yeah, great business strategy, cut the workforce and make the rest of the workers double productivity and claim you have solved the problem.

Fuck these CEO's, only a few are worth what they are paid.

And what if he runs the company into the ground? I sure bet he will get millions in exit pay for fucking up the company, while the regular workers don't get shit.

Fuckers love your masters, and the ones doing slightly better are nothing but attack dogs for the .01%. Believe me, your massa looks at you the same way they do the rest of humanity.

Exactly how is stating a fact bullshit?!?

Did it happen?!?

Simply stating a fact doesn't mean you believe in it, and we ALL know that corporate monies have escalated unfairly into the stratosphere, where the people on the bottom are tossed out like yesterday's trash, and mid-level managers are forced to do more with less, all the while looking over their shoulders as their own ranks are decimated as well, this ish ain't about towing the company line...

It is about being truthful and facing reality.

 

[Fuzzy_McNut]

You MUST be trolling!!!

Explain to yourself first why a doctor makes more than a McDonald's employee, and you'll understand how stupid this reply sounds!

You are so stupid to even comprehend why your statement is stupid

Doctors make more because their skill is more in demand. Now this doesn't change the fact.

Have you ever complained that a NFL kicker makes too much money? Maybe that's a simpler question for ya slow ass

 

[Djmarkxr7]

Workers in Cali are not at $2.60 an hour. We don't have that bullshit out here.

http://www.dol.gov/whd/state/tipped.htm#California

My mistake, there are multiple other states that allow this to a varying degree!

 

[Djmarkxr7]

You are so stupid to even comprehend why your statement is stupid

Doctors make more because their skill is more in demand. Now this doesn't change the fact.

Have you ever complained that a NFL kicker makes too much money? Maybe that's a simpler question for ya slow ass

And so how is LeBron James' skill NOT in demand?!?

Are there millions of people that can do what he does on the court, that are built like him and can move like him?!?

Now, are there millions of people that can sweep floors, and press buttons on microwaves?!?

Now, look up from your cellphone, register #2 is waiting on fries!

 

[LordSinister]

Exactly how is stating a fact bullshit?!?

Did it happen?!?

Simply stating a fact doesn't mean you believe in it, and we ALL know that corporate monies have escalated unfairly into the stratosphere, where the people on the bottom are tossed out like yesterday's trash, and mid-level managers are forced to do more with less, all the while looking over their shoulders as their own ranks are decimated as well, this ish ain't about towing the company line...

It is about being truthful and facing reality.

I should have written "You believe in that bullshit?"

I don't think any one man is worth firing hundreds over. Now some CEO's (Steve Jobs) are worth more that others, but without the creative team cranking out his ideas, he wouldn't have been the same person.

back to the fast food workers, they should form a union. they should strike, and if Mc Donalds wants to fire the whole lot of them, good luck finding staff that wont poison the customers with bad food prep.

 

[LordSinister]

My mistake, there are multiple other several other states that allow this to a varying degree!

Yeah, and it's pure bullshit. You can make some $ here in Cali if you are at a poppin place and have good skills. Problem is, cost of living here is high as giraffe pussy.

 

[Djmarkxr7]

I should have written "You believe in that bullshit?"

Understood.

I don't think any one man is worth firing hundreds over. Now some CEO's (Steve Jobs) are worth more that others, but without the creative team cranking out his ideas, he wouldn't have been the same person.

I agree on this as well, but neither you nor I are in a position to change this, sad to say, but this is capitalism @ work.

back to the fast food workers, they should form a union. they should strike, and if Mc Donalds wants to fire the whole lot of them, good luck finding staff that wont poison the customers with bad food prep.

And McDonald's would let them quit.

When unemployment is high, it's the employer's market, no different than if you wanted to throw a party and had 7 DJs who wanted to do it, YOU not only get to chose who you want to do it, but you also get to dictate the price, those that don't agree simply won't be the ones doing your party, in other words there simply are no other jobs for their "former" employees to go to, and in today's microwave world "food prep" has been cut down to the bare minimum, an overwhelmingly large percentage of fast food today comes prepackaged as ready to serve, there's no grill to learn, no vegetables to prep, hell, there's not even a register to learn since everything is just small icons on a touchscreen, ALL of these are the reasons why they are only paid minimum wage, but make no mistake, I do WHOLE-HEARTEDLY agree that the minimum wage being $7.25/hr is absolutely ridiculous in NY, especially when states like Washington are as high as $9.19/hr!

 

[Upgrade Dave]

I should have written "You believe in that bullshit?"

I don't think any one man is worth firing hundreds over. Now some CEO's (Steve Jobs) are worth more that others, but without the creative team cranking out his ideas, he wouldn't have been the same person.

back to the fast food workers, they should form a union. they should strike, and if Mc Donalds wants to fire the whole lot of them, good luck finding staff that wont poison the customers with bad food prep.

They're working on that.

Not just McDonald's but all those low wage employers. Throw in Wal Mart as well.

 

[Djmarkxr7]

They're working on that.

Not just McDonald's but all those low wage employers. Throw in Wal Mart as well.

I agree with you 100% with Walmart, which is why I specifically named them several times throughout this post, and several locations have indeed formed unions, the problem that McDonald's workers had in the past in forming a union was twofold, employees were too young and didn't care, and the turnover rate was so high that rank & file employees simply didn't stick around long enough to either care about a union or push a union agenda, HOWEVER now, since the avg. age has gone up, and workers are staying there longer, they do have a better chance of forming one.

 

[professor153]

what jobs are you talking about that "require minimal skills"....call centers? middle management?.....honestly those jobs need to be paid at $25/hour....especially since its designed as a step up in the career ladder...

you dont know much about inflation dont u

inflation is inevitable....the fed is a fucking joke

You don't know shit about finance or business. I'm not wasting anymore time with you.

 

[professor153]

You MUST be trolling!!!

Explain to yourself first why a doctor makes more than a McDonald's employee, and you'll understand how stupid this reply sounds!

OMG....Are you really trying to make a point by wondering why a doctor makes more than a McDonalds employee? I mean I know you have to be joking. A doctor is a highly skilled job which requires 8+ years of college. Hundreds of thousands of dollars for their education. A mcdonalds employee has to take an order, and give change and 80% of the time they still fuck up. HNIC needs to shut this board down....

 

[Built4Life]

I can tell you why I am against it. Paying workers more lessens the profits of the ownership class. It will make them feel secure and encourage them to spend which will in turn boost and create a more stable economy, but it is better to worry about the wealth of the rich than the well being of the masses which in turn helps the rich. It is too simple that it can't be the right thing to do.

 

[Djmarkxr7]

OMG....Are you really trying to make a point by wondering why a doctor makes more than a McDonalds employee? I mean I know you have to be joking. A doctor is a highly skilled job which requires 8+ years of college. Hundreds of thousands of dollars for their education. A mcdonalds employee has to take an order, and give change and 80% of the time they still fuck up. HNIC needs to shut this board down....

Whoa, did you mean to quote me?!?

What you've stated was my point, the more specific any given person's skill set is, the more that they can command on the open market, Fuzzy was asking why no one complains to Commissioner Stern about NBA salaries, but do "complain" (really NOT the right word) about how much unskilled people make, Lebron James & company get paid what they do because that's what the market has dictated as shown by the 30,000 screaming fans that show up to watch them live, and the billion dollar TV contracts that the NBA has signed, conversely a neurosurgeon would make more than a general practitioner, and ANY doctor of any kind would make multiple times more than any McDonald's employee.

 

[professor153]

Whoa, did you mean to quote me?!?

What you've stated was my point, the more specific any given person's skill set is, the more that they can command on the open market, Fuzzy was asking why no one complains to Commissioner Stern about NBA salaries, but do "complain" (really NOT the right word) about how much unskilled people make, Lebron James & company get paid what they do because that's what the market has dictated as shown by the 30,000 screaming fans that show up to watch them live, and the billion dollar TV contracts that the NBA has signed, conversely a neurosurgeon would make more than a general practitioner, and ANY doctor of any kind would make multiple times more than any McDonald's employee.

I misquoted... Sorry...

 

[The Untouchable GDFOLKS]

Minimum wage should be raised in NYC...that shit is slave wage and I really dont see how that has went down for so long. As far as fast food workers... Once and for all,,.it is not a skilled position nor a career unless you are trying to be management. I understand that a lot of members on this board work in the food service industry and still live at home with their parents but that doesn't change the facts.

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[CPT Callamity]

I didn't read all the way through but here in D.C. they had been propositioned by Walmart to build 6 stores, now they are down to three because the Mayor wanted to implement "A living wage" of $12.50 an hour.

http://articles.latimes.com/2013/jul/19/business/la-fi-wal-mart-dc-20130720

Last time I worked food service I was a high school student. Minimum wage was $4.25, I got paid $4.50. Dealing with hungry tourists and people all day was the pits. Not amazingly hard, just busy (and messy). I was 16 though...there were people twice my age working there complaining about having 5 kids to feed.

 

[The Untouchable GDFOLKS]

I was 16 though...there were people twice my age working there complaining about having 5 kids to feed.

like they didn't have a clue.

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[HotNixon36]

Give em minimum wage, give em a mandatory 50 cent raise every 6 months until they retire. Every 6 months give them a performance review to get that raise. That levels the playing field and gives them an incentive to be loyal.

 

[Upgrade Dave]

I agree with you 100% with Walmart, which is why I specifically named them several times throughout this post, and several locations have indeed formed unions, the problem that McDonald's workers had in the past in forming a union was twofold, employees were too young and didn't care, and the turnover rate was so high that rank & file employees simply didn't stick around long enough to either care about a union or push a union agenda, HOWEVER now, since the avg. age has gone up, and workers are staying there longer, they do have a better chance of forming one.

I can tell you why I am against it. Paying workers more lessens the profits of the ownership class. It will make them feel secure and encourage them to spend which will in turn boost and create a more stable economy, but it is better to worry about the wealth of the rich than the well being of the masses which in turn helps the rich. It is too simple that it can't be the right thing to do.

You should run in the 2016 Republican primaries.

Whoa, did you mean to quote me?!?

What you've stated was my point, the more specific any given person's skill set is, the more that they can command on the open market, Fuzzy was asking why no one complains to Commissioner Stern about NBA salaries, but do "complain" (really NOT the right word) about how much unskilled people make, Lebron James & company get paid what they do because that's what the market has dictated as shown by the 30,000 screaming fans that show up to watch them live, and the billion dollar TV contracts that the NBA has signed, conversely a neurosurgeon would make more than a general practitioner, and ANY doctor of any kind would make multiple times more than any McDonald's employee.

I've made my position on this clear and the reasons why but the LeBron James example was fucking ridiculous.

 

[The Technician]

I would RATHER them make more, then I wouldnt have to deal with the attitudes. I stopped going through drive thru cuz its guaranteed the girl taking the orders is gonna have a stank attitude, because she makes $7.25 to deal with dumb motherfuckers for hours on end.

This here. I'd gladly pay a higher price for my meal if it meant the employees were paid more, although I don't eat fast food often. You can't weed out all bad employees, but I would think that a significantly higher pay might make them care more about how they treat the customers and how they handle the food.

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[The Untouchable GDFOLKS]

Give em minimum wage, give em a mandatory 50 cent raise every 6 months until they retire. Every 6 months give them a performance review to get that raise. That levels the playing field and gives them an incentive to be loyal.

This makes a lot of sense.

This here. I'd gladly pay a higher price for my meal if it meant the employees were paid more, although I don't eat fast food often. You can't weed out all bad employees, but I would think that a significantly higher pay might make them care more about how they treat the customers and how they handle the food.

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If they are paid more then skills will become a factors and the workers with no skills will not have jobs.

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[Upgrade Dave]

This here. I'd gladly pay a higher price for my meal if it meant the employees were paid more, although I don't eat fast food often. You can't weed out all bad employees, but I would think that a significantly higher pay might make them care more about how they treat the customers and how they handle the food.

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And they don't treat the job as disposable.