where are they now?

[cranrab]

where are they?

you know, all the disgruntled tobe lovers who tried to marginalize shaquille o'neal's post season play on the way to another championship?

among the stupid comments inspired by the shaq-hate were:

"shaq didn't do shit. dwyane wade is the reason the heat won."

"alonzo mourning outplayed shaq."

well, with shaquille o'neal out with torn cartilage, how have the miami heat been doing without him?

5-8. guess those geniuses have been outed. AGAIN.

BTW, how were the heat doing BEFORE shaquille o'neal's injury?

2-1.



edit: had to add that the heat needed a last second shot by james posey to defeat the 4-12 memphis grizzlies.

 

[TimRock]

Jesus, for someone who hates Kobe, you sure say his name a lot. Then you call everyone else "tobe lovers", but if you really think about, and this is a FACT, you have said the name Tobe or Fakers more than anyone on this board. Don't believe me, search the words Tobe and Fakers, see how many of your posts come up. Better yet, search it by your name, and i'm willing to bet that half your posts contain those words. I know how much you love doing research, so do that for me.

Also, since you seem to be so in love with stats, do us all a favor and post your stats. How many buzzer beaters have you hit? How many All Star games have you played in? Championships? MVPs? Scoring titles? Any awards? Tell us your career highs. Lets see if they are better than Kobes. Better yet, let's see if they are better than any of the top Euros in the league that you hate so much. No wonder you hate them.

I think you are the only Kobe fan with nut on their chin. Soon as the season starts, here you come with a Kobe or Lakers thread. Get off his nuts already.

And I know what you're gonna say, "people get emotional when others talk about kobe or point out the truth, blah, blah, blah". But it's a known fact that you talk about him more than anyone else on this entire forum.

 

[TrojansFan]

Jesus, for someone who hates Kobe, you sure say his name a lot. Then you call everyone else "tobe lovers", but if you really think about, and this is a FACT, you have said the name Tobe or Fakers more than anyone on this board. Don't believe me, search the words Tobe and Fakers, see how many of your posts come up. Better yet, search it by your name, and i'm willing to bet that half your posts contain those words. I know how much you love doing research, so do that for me.

Also, since you seem to be so in love with stats, do us all a favor and post your stats. How many buzzer beaters have you hit? How many All Star games have you played in? Championships? MVPs? Scoring titles? Any awards? Tell us your career highs. Lets see if they are better than Kobes. Better yet, let's see if they are better than any of the top Euros in the league that you hate so much. No wonder you hate them.

I think you are the only Kobe fan with nut on their chin. Soon as the season starts, here you come with a Kobe or Lakers thread. Get off his nuts already.

And I know what you're gonna say, "people get emotional when others talk about kobe or point out the truth, blah, blah, blah". But it's a known fact that you talk about him more than anyone else on this entire forum.

Co-Sign

 

[cranrab]

Jesus, for someone who hates Kobe, you sure say his name a lot. Then you call everyone else "tobe lovers", but if you really think about, and this is a FACT, you have said the name Tobe or Fakers more than anyone on this board. Don't believe me, search the words Tobe and Fakers, see how many of your posts come up.

WOW. brilliant. uh, since i am the ONLY person who uses the word "tobe" and one of only a handful that use "fakers", OF COURSE i would have the most posts in a search using "tobe" and "fakers".

your insight is ASTOUNDING.

what is more ASTOUNDING is that i am sure you were a perfect STAN and already did such a search.

Better yet, search it by your name, and i'm willing to bet that half your posts contain those words. I know how much you love doing research, so do that for me.

why don't you do it for me, STAN?

How many buzzer beaters have you hit? How many All Star games have you played in? Championships? MVPs? Scoring titles? Any awards? Tell us your career highs. Lets see if they are better than Kobes. Better yet, let's see if they are better than any of the top Euros in the league that you hate so much.

pure GENIUS. immaculate logic and reason. uh, tell me STAN, how would MY CREDENTIALS (or yours?) AS A PLAYER impact an argument made about the quality of tobe's play? of a euro's play?

does an american citizen need to be a career politician to accurately weigh george w. bush's term as president?

thank you AGAIN for providing further PROOF of why tobe fans are assuredly the DUMBEST in all of sports.

I think you are the only Kobe fan with nut on their chin. Soon as the season starts, here you come with a Kobe or Lakers thread. Get off his nuts already.

AW. poor sweet stan. did i touch a nerve? you've successfully outed yourself as one of the clowns this thread was about.

it's a known fact that you talk about him more than anyone else on this entire forum.

YES. it's a KNOWN FACT that i talk the most TRUTH about tobe than anyone on this forum.

 

[cranrab]

Co-Sign

OF COURSE. we knew you couldn't stay away, armenian.

OF COURSE you knew i was referring directly to you.

no defense of your statements that the heat didn't need shaquille o'neal in the finals to win?

i won't hold my breath.

 

[TimRock]

Also, since you seem to be so in love with stats, do us all a favor and post your stats. How many buzzer beaters have you hit? How many All Star games have you played in? Championships? MVPs? Scoring titles? Any awards? Tell us your career highs. Lets see if they are better than Kobes. Better yet, let's see if they are better than any of the top Euros in the league that you hate so much. No wonder you hate them.

Like the way you avoided this.

How am I Stan, you obviously know more about Kobe than anyone else on this board.

AW. poor sweet stan. did i touch a nerve? you've successfully outed yourself as one of the clowns this thread was about.

U Mad?
Don't try to hide it.

what is more ASTOUNDING is that i am sure you were a perfect STAN and already did such a search.

No need to do a search. It's obvious. I bet you did it though. After you did it, were you suprised to see how many times you mentioned his name? You probably said to yourself "damn, maybe I am sweating Kobe".

Just answer the questions to that other statement I made. What's the matter, were you ashamed to be the 13th man.

 

[cranrab]

Like the way you avoided this.

nobody avoided anything. in a discussion about tobe, how are my credentials relevant? in a discussion about shaquille o'neal, how would your credentials be relevant? in a discussion about the miami heat, why bring up the price of tea in china?

i know it's difficult for you, but try to stay on point. that's what logic and reason are about.

we already know your fanboy game; try to steer the discussion away from the topic; try to deflect truthful criticism away from your man. you're uncomfortable when the heat is on.

How am I Stan, you obviously know more about Kobe than anyone else on this board.

that's correct. and i obviously know more about quite a few subjects. you're the stan because you faithfully stay reading my threads, RARELY (i'll give you benefit of the doubt) if ever posting anything truthful, accurate or god forbid, relevant.

i might just drop dead one day if i ever see a tobe supporter do either of the following:

1) prove that the statements i make are factually incorrect,

2) prove that their statements are supported with relevant data

U Mad?

not me. why get mad? i already know your fanboy handbook. lie. if caught in the lie, name call. then lie some more. above all, avoid FACTUAL statements.

No need to do a search.

of course not. why bother to be FACTUALLY correct? you're a fanboy; why bother making responsible, accurate statements when you can just fabricate one?

What's the matter, were you ashamed to be the 13th man.

never ashamed. in fact, i've posted it in the past. but i'll be happy to answer your questions.

my assists per game in both seasons i played (i was injured and inactive most of my 3rd season) were higher than both of tobe's 1st 2 seasons.

my turnovers per game in both seasons i played were lower than both of tobe's 1st 2 seasons.

my assist/to ratio was higher than both of tobe's 1st 2 seasons.

i have the same amount of NBA MVPs as tobe.

and for the record, i was the 10th man in the rotation until my 3rd season, and was proud of every minute i earned.

i'll tip you off to something else i know you wouldn't know about NBA basketball; bench players train HARDER and are worked HARDER than starters.

EDIT

i almost forgot. now go look me up STAN. good STAN. then sit. then roll over. good STAN.

 

[TimRock]

of course not. why bother to be FACTUALLY correct? you're a fanboy; why bother making responsible, accurate statements when you can just fabricate one?

When have i ever done this?

you're uncomfortable when the heat is on.

Huh? What heat? How the hell am i uncomfortable?

lie. if caught in the lie, name call. then lie some more. above all, avoid FACTUAL statements.

When have i ever lied?

my turnovers per game in both seasons i played were lower than both of tobe's 1st 2 seasons.

Hard to get turnovers when you are on the bench.

i have the same amount of NBA MVPs as tobe.

Ok, so you have an All-Star game MVP? Good for you.

i almost forgot. now go look me up STAN. good STAN. then sit. then roll over. good STAN.

Good attempt at a joke.

Fanboy/Stan? Isn't that ironic. Let's analyze this.

Who has started more Kobe/Laker related threads? You or me?

Who has made more Kobe/Laker references? You or me?

Who has replied in every single Kobe/Laker related thread? You or me?

Who spends their time analyzing Kobe's stats? You or me?

Who knows more about Kobe? You or me?

Most people would read these questions and obviously answer "the person who is a Kobe/Laker fan". But not in this instance. So tell me, who is the real Stan/Fanboy? And you dislike Kobe, right? You sure about that?

And for the record, I never attempted to prove any of your statements wrong. Bottom line is, it doesn't really matter. Because at the end of the day, it's not like what you say or prove will have any impact on Kobe's career. So I will just keep reading as the season goes along.

Now go sit in front of your tv tonight and watch the Lakers. Hoping they lose so you can come on here with your stats and tell us how Kobe (if he plays) caused the Lakers to lose. Fanboy.

 

[cranrab]

Hard to get turnovers when you are on the bench.

you were the one asking the questions. don't make excuses when the answers don't happen to fit your conclusions.

Ok, so you have an All-Star game MVP? Good for you.

congratulations. you're the 1st person i know who considers the all-star mvp a legit mvp award.

Fanboy

obviously. a tobe fanboy of the generic kind. one that doesn't demonstrate an understanding of basketball and isn't comfortable with appropriate criticisms of tobe's monumental faults.

Stan?

clearly. a stan of ME. you purport to know what i'm going to type, yet you faithfully stay stalking my posts. you claim to disagree with my assessment of tobe, but never provide any FACTUAL or SUBSTANTIAL statements which might refute my positions.

Who has started more Kobe/Laker related threads? You or me?

again. irrelevant. i could ask "who has started more threads in general? you or me?" i could ask "who has started more SPORTS threads? you or me?"

Who has made more Kobe/Laker references? You or me?

you already acknowledged that i have more knowledge about tobe, did you not? hence, i am better prepared to respond to threads concerning tobe, am i not? more non sequitur.

Who has replied in every single Kobe/Laker related thread? You or me?

again, you've already acknowledged your ignorance concerning tobe, and likewise acknowledged my knowledge of tobe. who then, is better prepared to reply in more (certainly not all) tobe/fakers threads? you or me?

Who spends their time analyzing Kobe's stats? You or me?

certainly not you. but definitely not me. i have no need to "analyze" stats. the information is analyzed by UNDERSTANDING what i'm WATCHING. no need to refer to anything else except memory. it always makes me laugh when you cats suggest others are "analyzing stats", because that would be your ONLY way of keeping track of what happened. some of us don't require that because we're already WATCHING and UNDERSTANDING.

Who knows more about Kobe? You or me?

you already answered this yourself.

And you dislike Kobe, right?

wrong. i don't dislike tobe. tobe's a euro. i dislike his scripted, superficial game. more than that, i dislike the myth-building regarding the quality of tobe's game.

You sure about that?

100% certain.

for the record, I never attempted to prove any of your statements wrong.

was this ever a point of contention? you COULD NOT prove my statements wrong, because they are TRUTH and FACT.

at the end of the day, it's not like what you say or prove will have any impact on Kobe's career.

i'm curious. where does a bizarre statement like this come from? that may be the motive or inspiration for your actions, but not mine.

So I will just keep reading as the season goes along.

but you're not my stan? let's see. someone who pledges to faithfully read supposedly inconsequential remarks that he disagrees with is NOT a stan?

oh, i see. you're like those cats who faithfully tune in to howard stern even though they claim to be opposed to howard stern's programming. got it.

 

[TimRock]

you've already acknowledged your ignorance concerning tobe

How did i do that?

you claim to disagree with my assessment of tobe, but never provide any FACTUAL or SUBSTANTIAL statements which might refute my positions.

Never said I disagree with anything you say about kobe. I have my opinion of him. And you have yours. Never once did I say you were wrong. Why do I need to provide anything?

clearly. a stan of ME.

So does that mean you are a STAN of Kobe?

again. irrelevant. i could ask "who has started more threads in general? you or me?" i could ask "who has started more SPORTS threads? you or me?"

How's it irrelevant? It proves who's the Fanboy/Stan.

it always makes me laugh when you cats suggest others are "analyzing stats", because that would be your ONLY way of keeping track of what happened. some of us don't require that because we're already WATCHING and UNDERSTANDING.

I don't analyze stats either. I know what i'm watching, and have admitted numerous times that I disagree with something Kobe might have done on the court. No Stat Analyzer here. Try again.

wrong. i don't dislike tobe. tobe's a euro. i dislike his scripted, superficial game. more than that, i dislike the myth-building regarding the quality of tobe's game.

How's his game scripted? A Euro? Wow.

let's see. someone who pledges to faithfully read supposedly inconsequential remarks that he disagrees with is NOT a stan?

Don't look for things that aren't there. I said I would keep reading.......Not "I will keep reading YOUR posts". I meant I would keep reading what everyone has to say, thats all.

oh, i see. you're like those cats who faithfully tune in to howard stern even though they claim to be opposed to howard stern's programming. got it.

Not at all. If I don't like something or someone, I pay it no attention. That would be like me hating Shaq (which I don't), and then go make 100 threads about him. What's the point?

Thats a contradicting statement. Your opposed to Kobe's game, but yet you tune in to watch him. Oh wait, let me guess, you tune in to see the other Fakers right? Or the other team.

 

[cranrab]

BACK TO THE TOPIC OF THIS THREAD: calling out the chumps

well, so far, i've only been successful in prompting a couple of the all-talk, no-knowledge squad into responding...

where are the OTHERS?



what, we've already got more than one-fourth of this season behind us, and none of them have the BALLS to step up and OWN THEIR WORDS from last season?

current miami heat record: 9-12

dwyane wade STARTED 20 games.

alonzo mourning started 17 games.

shaquille o'neal started 4 games.

@:

"the miami heat didn't need shaq. alonzo mourning outplayed him."
"dwyane wade is the reason why shaq won another ring."

and let's not forget my other favorite:

"the refs gave it to miami."

 

[cranrab]

one more thing.

in the PAST 10 SEASONS, shaquille o'neal has ended his season in:

FIVE nba finals, TWO conference finals, THREE conference semis.

TD doesn't even come close. who else does? NOBODY.

so why again is it so difficult for some people to figure out who the key component is and always has been?

 

[TimRock]

well, so far, i've only been successful in prompting a couple of the all-talk, no-knowledge squad into responding...

Maybe if you talk about other players and teams besides Kobe and the Lakers, more people will respond.