When the Slave Traders Were African (Colin-worthy but a must-read for ADOS)

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Slaves for Guns
West African rulers were instrumental in the slave trade. They exchanged their prisoners of war (rarely their own people) for firearms manufactured in Birmingham and elsewhere in Britain. With their newly acquired weapons, kings and chiefs were able to expand their territories. The slave trade had a profound effect on the economy and politics of West Africa, leading, in many cases, to an increase in tension and violence.

The transatlantic slave trade ended to mark the beginning of their colonization efforts. Why would you want to fight a country that has your best weapons?
 

VAiz4hustlaz

Proud ADOS and not afraid to step to da mic!
BGOL Investor
Let's apply your logic to the USA. African Americans are selling their fellow African American drugs. African Americans are killing their fellow African Americans with black on black violence. So therefore, let's demonize African Americans, right? You see how demented your logic is?


“I think something that American blacks (and Americans in general) need to understand is that your very existence is an affront to the history of the world. I always say context is everything, and if a picture isn't very clear, it often means you need to step further back to see the bigger picture before you.

Throughout much of world history, you will not hear of any people/culture/nation that ascended from rags to wealth and power like America has as a nation. Our Statue of Liberty declares to the world to give us "your poor, your tired and your huddled masses," because the belief in America has been that individuals can rise higher. But if you are paying attention to how other cultures operate and treat undesirable members in their own societies, you will find that our belief in such an ideology is contrary and "foreign" to what they believe to be true about one's station in life. Among other nations, there is a consistent ideology that those who are poor or belong to an underclass should remain underclass.

In India, these people are referred to as untouchables, who are not even treated with even a modicum of human decency. But more importantly, their belief systems even support their poor treatment meted against them by the broader Indian society, because as Hindus who believe in reincarnation, they fundamentally believe that people who find themselves a member of the underclass are somehow deserving of their station because of their deeds in a previous life.

In Saudi Arabia, African immigrants who go there to work as servants, are often beaten and sometimes even killed while working for some of these families.

Even in America, before the 13 colonies declared Independence and went to war with Britain, it was becoming more and more clear by the colonists that Britain intended to make them a permanent underclass in servitude to the Royal Crown. What no one elaborates on in our American history classes is that from the 1500's to the 1700's, if you were a citizen of a European country sent to the America's, it was more than likely because you had committed a crime, were an indentured servant or a member of the masses the European governments could not afford to care for. Early colonizers were often members if the underclass in their home countries. But when the U.S. declared independence, it got the attention of Europe, because it was the beginning of the end of Royal rule throughout Europe. From the 1700's onward and through the early 1900's, Europeans toppled their Royal governments, and established


The only thing that has allowed us as blacks in America to make progress in race relations since our enslavement on this soil, is the fact that there has always been an underlying ideology and belief that people can rise above their station in life if they work hard and are willing to fight for it. Although we still face discrimination as a people in this country, that is not to diminish the shining example our existence is within the broader context of a world history that has never allowed a group from an underclass to rise higher.

So then, you have to realize that when you are speaking with people from foreign countries, they could be coming from a world view that does not support the idea that an underclass can rise above their station, which is also why they try so hard to distance themselves from African Americans in this country.

You also have to realize that there are members from the upper echelons of their home countries who consider the very idea of America as an afront to their own legitimacy. If you are in an abusive relationship where your partner demeans you, humiliates in an effort to prevent you from seeing and recognizing your true worth, that abusive partner becomes truly angry and fearful when you stand up for yourself and refuse to believe their lies about what and who you are. Even more so when not only do you refuse them power over you, you rise up to become more powerful than them. That is the story of America - the majority of the people who immigrate here come because their home countries treated them like sh*t, while the wealthier members of their home countries did nothing to help them. So when these people who may have been members of an underclass in their home.countries travel to America and become educated and raise their station in life, they become hated by the middle to upper class members of their old countries, and one of three things will happen:

1) they will face rejection by members from their home country for being too "American".

2) they will be guilted into supporting their community back home, attempting to solve problems and issues in their old communities that foreign governments and the wealthy members of those countries should have taken care of for their citizens.

3) They will be encouraged to denounce American cultural values in favor of the cultural traditions of their origin.

The third one is key, because many fail to realize that the mentality carried with them from their home country is the reason why some of the leadership in their countries are willing to exploit, or allow the exploitation of their own citizens by wealthier or more powerful entities - it is the belief that if you are a member of the underclass, then you don't matter.

This is important because while the issue surrounding immigration is being presented as a racial matter, the real issue is the question of assimilation and culture. Which brings us to this discussion today:

I don't have a problem with African immigrants, or immigrants from any country, but I do have a problem with the continued practice of a mentality that is contrary to American cultural ethos and values, coupled with the demeaning attituded towards Americans, whose ideals made this country what it is. This especially applies to African Americans who fought and won civil rights in this country, only for immigrants to look at our cultural values as if they are somehow less than theirs? When it was our cultural values that allowed us to survive slavery, survive Jim Crow, and fight for civil rights? Especially when some of these immigrant groups have refused or failed to do the same in the home countries they are running away from, only to tell us we are too lazy and they deserve the resources in this country that were fought and won by our ancestors? Not only that, we are supposed to forget the blood, sweat, tears and lives our people spilled on this soil so you can feel accepted while you disrespect us outright? I don't think so.

We should be aware of what results when groups adopt belief systems that compound over time and end up choking the very life out of their culture. I think as Americans, and especially as black Americans, we have been trained to believe that all problems faced by other groups and nations are the direct result of western influence, or involvement, when that isn't always the case - some of these countries devolved to where they are because it is the only logical result produced by their belief systems and ideologies over decades, and centuries.

So let's be clear: Africa underwent European colonialism, and her resources were, and continue to be pillaged by outside forces and Powers. However, Africa was easy and continues to be easy to exploit because of a tribal cultural history and mentality. It was only after many centuries that this tribal mentality coalesced into the Africa we see today. What's more, is that it appears many Africans bring this mentality with them when they arrive in the states. It's a divisionist mentality that leaves Africans open to exploitation, but because we share the same racial background, it becomes a problem for all of us as black people, but especially as black Americans who already learned the importance of putting divisions aside to achieve larger goals.

Many of you are claiming that it is black Americans that have rejected unity with Africans, but on what basis? Everything about our experience in this country has taught us the importance of racial solidarity over the cultural differences among us as black people - that's why so many immigrants complain that Americans make everything about race - our cultural framework has always been racial before anything else. So in that sense, why would we as a people reject you on the basis of your cultural background alone, when we recognized that you are black like us? The truth of the matter is that as black Americans we never rejected Africans, but everything about their cultural framework suggests that Africans consistently place tribe/nation over Africans or Black people belonging to other tribes/nations.

So if Africans are experiencing push-back from Black Americans now, its because over the years as more of you have continued to immigrate to this country, we are starting to see the pattern in your behavior towards us."
 

exiledking

Rising Star
OG Investor
“I think something that American blacks (and Americans in general) need to understand is that your very existence is an affront to the history of the world. I always say context is everything, and if a picture isn't very clear, it often means you need to step further back to see the bigger picture before you.

Throughout much of world history, you will not hear of any people/culture/nation that ascended from rags to wealth and power like America has as a nation. Our Statue of Liberty declares to the world to give us "your poor, your tired and your huddled masses," because the belief in America has been that individuals can rise higher. But if you are paying attention to how other cultures operate and treat undesirable members in their own societies, you will find that our belief in such an ideology is contrary and "foreign" to what they believe to be true about one's station in life. Among other nations, there is a consistent ideology that those who are poor or belong to an underclass should remain underclass.

In India, these people are referred to as untouchables, who are not even treated with even a modicum of human decency. But more importantly, their belief systems even support their poor treatment meted against them by the broader Indian society, because as Hindus who believe in reincarnation, they fundamentally believe that people who find themselves a member of the underclass are somehow deserving of their station because of their deeds in a previous life.

In Saudi Arabia, African immigrants who go there to work as servants, are often beaten and sometimes even killed while working for some of these families.

Even in America, before the 13 colonies declared Independence and went to war with Britain, it was becoming more and more clear by the colonists that Britain intended to make them a permanent underclass in servitude to the Royal Crown. What no one elaborates on in our American history classes is that from the 1500's to the 1700's, if you were a citizen of a European country sent to the America's, it was more than likely because you had committed a crime, were an indentured servant or a member of the masses the European governments could not afford to care for. Early colonizers were often members if the underclass in their home countries. But when the U.S. declared independence, it got the attention of Europe, because it was the beginning of the end of Royal rule throughout Europe. From the 1700's onward and through the early 1900's, Europeans toppled their Royal governments, and established


The only thing that has allowed us as blacks in America to make progress in race relations since our enslavement on this soil, is the fact that there has always been an underlying ideology and belief that people can rise above their station in life if they work hard and are willing to fight for it. Although we still face discrimination as a people in this country, that is not to diminish the shining example our existence is within the broader context of a world history that has never allowed a group from an underclass to rise higher.

So then, you have to realize that when you are speaking with people from foreign countries, they could be coming from a world view that does not support the idea that an underclass can rise above their station, which is also why they try so hard to distance themselves from African Americans in this country.

You also have to realize that there are members from the upper echelons of their home countries who consider the very idea of America as an afront to their own legitimacy. If you are in an abusive relationship where your partner demeans you, humiliates in an effort to prevent you from seeing and recognizing your true worth, that abusive partner becomes truly angry and fearful when you stand up for yourself and refuse to believe their lies about what and who you are. Even more so when not only do you refuse them power over you, you rise up to become more powerful than them. That is the story of America - the majority of the people who immigrate here come because their home countries treated them like sh*t, while the wealthier members of their home countries did nothing to help them. So when these people who may have been members of an underclass in their home.countries travel to America and become educated and raise their station in life, they become hated by the middle to upper class members of their old countries, and one of three things will happen:

1) they will face rejection by members from their home country for being too "American".

2) they will be guilted into supporting their community back home, attempting to solve problems and issues in their old communities that foreign governments and the wealthy members of those countries should have taken care of for their citizens.

3) They will be encouraged to denounce American cultural values in favor of the cultural traditions of their origin.

The third one is key, because many fail to realize that the mentality carried with them from their home country is the reason why some of the leadership in their countries are willing to exploit, or allow the exploitation of their own citizens by wealthier or more powerful entities - it is the belief that if you are a member of the underclass, then you don't matter.

This is important because while the issue surrounding immigration is being presented as a racial matter, the real issue is the question of assimilation and culture. Which brings us to this discussion today:

I don't have a problem with African immigrants, or immigrants from any country, but I do have a problem with the continued practice of a mentality that is contrary to American cultural ethos and values, coupled with the demeaning attituded towards Americans, whose ideals made this country what it is. This especially applies to African Americans who fought and won civil rights in this country, only for immigrants to look at our cultural values as if they are somehow less than theirs? When it was our cultural values that allowed us to survive slavery, survive Jim Crow, and fight for civil rights? Especially when some of these immigrant groups have refused or failed to do the same in the home countries they are running away from, only to tell us we are too lazy and they deserve the resources in this country that were fought and won by our ancestors? Not only that, we are supposed to forget the blood, sweat, tears and lives our people spilled on this soil so you can feel accepted while you disrespect us outright? I don't think so.

We should be aware of what results when groups adopt belief systems that compound over time and end up choking the very life out of their culture. I think as Americans, and especially as black Americans, we have been trained to believe that all problems faced by other groups and nations are the direct result of western influence, or involvement, when that isn't always the case - some of these countries devolved to where they are because it is the only logical result produced by their belief systems and ideologies over decades, and centuries.

So let's be clear: Africa underwent European colonialism, and her resources were, and continue to be pillaged by outside forces and Powers. However, Africa was easy and continues to be easy to exploit because of a tribal cultural history and mentality. It was only after many centuries that this tribal mentality coalesced into the Africa we see today. What's more, is that it appears many Africans bring this mentality with them when they arrive in the states. It's a divisionist mentality that leaves Africans open to exploitation, but because we share the same racial background, it becomes a problem for all of us as black people, but especially as black Americans who already learned the importance of putting divisions aside to achieve larger goals.

Many of you are claiming that it is black Americans that have rejected unity with Africans, but on what basis? Everything about our experience in this country has taught us the importance of racial solidarity over the cultural differences among us as black people - that's why so many immigrants complain that Americans make everything about race - our cultural framework has always been racial before anything else. So in that sense, why would we as a people reject you on the basis of your cultural background alone, when we recognized that you are black like us? The truth of the matter is that as black Americans we never rejected Africans, but everything about their cultural framework suggests that Africans consistently place tribe/nation over Africans or Black people belonging to other tribes/nations.

So if Africans are experiencing push-back from Black Americans now, its because over the years as more of you have continued to immigrate to this country, we are starting to see the pattern in your behavior towards us."
Bruh. Who wrote this? It's brilliant. Not saying you're incapable of writing it, but it reads like a well edited, thought out, researched article. Not so much like a bgol post lol.
 

exiledking

Rising Star
OG Investor
Africans who sold blacks is something that’s swept under the rug. You only focus on the Europeans. You may talk the Arabs but Africans are never mentioned. Why is that? You should because Africa didn’t try to claim back those who were captured and enslaved. But blacks in America feel they owe Africa something when it should be reversed. Africa to this day shows no interest in Black America outside of money.

There was a video posted of this black dude in America with his chic moving to Africa to help Africans. He took his resources and jumped over Black America to help people in another land who he doesn’t know and a people who didn’t try to help him when he was in America.

Absolutely. If you look at the kingdoms who had some power and were in contact with Europeans in say.... Early 15th century when the age of discovery and reliable, reproducible technologythat could get people across oceans and down the west African coast, those empires you can see it. Some of them were mainly Inland and trading across the Sahara. The Atlantic ocean wasn't the focus Until the Portuguese got there, followed by the Spanish, Dutch, and English. The Songhai life was being broken up through local disagreements. As soon as they hear about the groups on the coast dealing with the new guys, the larger kingdoms inland use their power to come crashing in and donating the trade themselves. Wolofs, soninkes, mandinkas, fulanis. Many already trading slaves and gold to Arabs in the north, and were already Islamic--miXed in with local practices . Then the ones past the Sahel region, who had still practiced their indigenous spiritual beliefs but adopted christianity Asante, Fante Oyo , Dahomey, Aro. The Portuguese seemed to not be able to even land anywhere way back then til all the way down south to Kongo. It seems they all adopted whatever abrahamic religion that came with connection to the broader world, and the tech they had. Islam up north, christianity down south. Oyo, the yoruba kingdom of that day, part of the breakup came from invasion from jihadist Fulanis. So some of yorubaland is a bit of both. Then they had internal beefs in the 1800s and fell apart. That caused a HUGE migration as we can see in the influence their spiritual system has in Cuba, Brazil and even in the states now.

I say all that to say, NOT ONE OF THOSE KINGDOMS has anything oral or written about how they wanted to come and get anyone back. And no attemots at making boats for sea exploration, navies, nothin. It was a dramatic shift that change global economies. People keep saying we’re at war —- sheeeyit, that war started and ended long before we got here. The leaders THEN should’ve been saying that.
 

VAiz4hustlaz

Proud ADOS and not afraid to step to da mic!
BGOL Investor
Bruh. Who wrote this? It's brilliant. Not saying you're incapable of writing it, but it reads like a well edited, thought out, researched article. Not so much like a bgol post lol.

Clearly it isn't, which is why I quoted it, but it was extremely well-written and I agree with the sentiment. Unfortunately only a few BGOL posters bring such well-thought analysis. You and I disagree on a lot but I will credit you with bringing a well-reasoned POV.

Absolutely. If you look at the kingdoms who had some power and were in contact with Europeans in say.... Early 15th century when the age of discovery and reliable, reproducible technologythat could get people across oceans and down the west African coast, those empires you can see it. Some of them were mainly Inland and trading across the Sahara. The Atlantic ocean wasn't the focus Until the Portuguese got there, followed by the Spanish, Dutch, and English. The Songhai life was being broken up through local disagreements. As soon as they hear about the groups on the coast dealing with the new guys, the larger kingdoms inland use their power to come crashing in and donating the trade themselves. Wolofs, soninkes, mandinkas, fulanis. Many already trading slaves and gold to Arabs in the north, and were already Islamic--miXed in with local practices . Then the ones past the Sahel region, who had still practiced their indigenous spiritual beliefs but adopted christianity Asante, Fante Oyo , Dahomey, Aro. The Portuguese seemed to not be able to even land anywhere way back then til all the way down south to Kongo. It seems they all adopted whatever abrahamic religion that came with connection to the broader world, and the tech they had. Islam up north, christianity down south. Oyo, the yoruba kingdom of that day, part of the breakup came from invasion from jihadist Fulanis. So some of yorubaland is a bit of both. Then they had internal beefs in the 1800s and fell apart. That caused a HUGE migration as we can see in the influence their spiritual system has in Cuba, Brazil and even in the states now.

I say all that to say, NOT ONE OF THOSE KINGDOMS has anything oral or written about how they wanted to come and get anyone back. And no attemots at making boats for sea exploration, navies, nothin. It was a dramatic shift that change global economies. People keep saying we’re at war —- sheeeyit, that war started and ended long before we got here. The leaders THEN should’ve been saying that.

That's the thing. The war is NOT over; it's just being waged as a cultural/immigrant cold war now.

You ain't read none of these books negro!

@exiledking This is typical BGOL.
 

exiledking

Rising Star
OG Investor
Clearly it isn't, which is why I quoted it, but it was extremely well-written and I agree with the sentiment. Unfortunately only a few BGOL posters bring such well-thought analysis. You and I disagree on a lot but I will credit you with bringing a well-reasoned POV.



That's the thing. The war is NOT over; it's just being waged as a cultural/immigrant cold war now.



@exiledking This is typical BGOL.

Oh I didn't mean a war between cultural/immigrant. I agree with that.

Anyway, respect.


Where did that quote come from? I wanna more from that writer. Your line of questioning brought me around to some of that. It's hard to cover all points of view and nuance all the time , so I'm ok with being misunderstood. At least you asked for clarity. And yeah, people should disagree. Not a problem to me ever
 

exiledking

Rising Star
OG Investor
Clearly it isn't, which is why I quoted it, but it was extremely well-written and I agree with the sentiment. Unfortunately only a few BGOL posters bring such well-thought analysis. You and I disagree on a lot but I will credit you with bringing a well-reasoned POV.



That's the thing. The war is NOT over; it's just being waged as a cultural/immigrant cold war now.



@exiledking This is typical BGOL.
Nm I found it
 

Mrfreddygoodbud

Rising Star
BGOL Investor
Are you talking to yourself..??:lol:


Y'all both sound like gay conservatives playing with each others balls over here...:lol:

With the rehashed history bullshit..

Stop yanking each others chains and talk about the true Americans

The blackamoors...

Get this thread popping with interesting facts that has been covered up...

Don't bore everyone to death with exiled queens verbal queefing:lol:
 

VAiz4hustlaz

Proud ADOS and not afraid to step to da mic!
BGOL Investor
Are you talking to yourself..??:lol:


Y'all both sound like gay conservatives playing with each others balls over here...:lol:

With the rehashed history bullshit..

Stop yanking each others chains and talk about the true Americans

The blackamoors...

Get this thread popping with interesting facts that has been covered up...

Don't bore everyone to death with exiled queens verbal queefing:lol:

You're welcome to post this history in here or even starting a new thread, replete with sources, reference information, and historical timelines. :D

No sense in one of us posting history or info we know nothing about but that you're well-versed in.
 

Mrfreddygoodbud

Rising Star
BGOL Investor
You're welcome to post this history in here or even starting a new thread, replete with sources, reference information, and historical timelines. :D

No sense in one of us posting history or info we know nothing about but that you're well-versed in.

Bruh we been mindfucked badly......they removed the word moors for black and called us blacks to cut us off from our history..

It's simple common sense.

We can never be black as a race... it's a description....an adjective...

We are callIing ourselves a fucking adnective...
That is associated with death...
Does that even make sense..when is a fuckin adjective a person place or thing...

Now it logically sound if a people are trying to cut you off from your history...and mislead you on a path to nowhere..

Now Blackamoor....Is a noun..a person place or thing....

Blackamoor has a history nation and languages and cultures...

Blackamoors were going to and from Spain so much new Madrid wasn't I. Europe

It was in mississippi.. .

Where Blackamoor s was runnimg shit.....

Bruh do you know what REALLY happened in 1812???

Guess....
 

exiledking

Rising Star
OG Investor
Are you talking to yourself..??:lol:


Y'all both sound like gay conservatives playing with each others balls over here...:lol:

With the rehashed history bullshit..

Stop yanking each others chains and talk about the true Americans

The blackamoors...

Get this thread popping with interesting facts that has been covered up...

Don't bore everyone to death with exiled queens verbal queefing:lol:

You already got several of your own black science fiction fantasy threads going. I don't go in those and ruin your parties anymore. We good.
 

gene cisco

Not A BGOL Eunuch
BGOL Investor
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Slaves for Guns
West African rulers were instrumental in the slave trade. They exchanged their prisoners of war (rarely their own people) for firearms manufactured in Birmingham and elsewhere in Britain. With their newly acquired weapons, kings and chiefs were able to expand their territories. The slave trade had a profound effect on the economy and politics of West Africa, leading, in many cases, to an increase in tension and violence.

The transatlantic slave trade ended to mark the beginning of their colonization efforts. Why would you want to fight a country that has your best weapons?
People always skip over this shit. How do folks fuck up countries giving them their best weapon tech for centuries? The continent with the most fucking resources shouldn't have needed to trade for fucking weapons after so long.

So because they fucked up in a big way they eventually ended up fucked over by Europeans. The actual slave traders seemingly lumped together with the folks they sold. :smh:Fuck that. The fuckery should be discussed. Who cares if they fucked up? They still owe restitution just like the Euros.

And while some fools always caping for Native Americans, it took treaties to get them to free their slaves. :smh:Don't forget about them bitches. There are receipts for them too.
 

exiledking

Rising Star
OG Investor
People always skip over this shit. How do folks fuck up countries giving them their best weapon tech for centuries? The continent with the most fucking resources shouldn't have needed to trade for fucking weapons after so long.

So because they fucked up in a big way they eventually ended up fucked over by Europeans. The actual slave traders seemingly lumped together with the folks they sold. :smh:Fuck that. The fuckery should be discussed. Who cares if they fucked up? They still owe restitution just like the Euros.

And while some fools always caping for Native Americans, it took treaties to get them to free their slaves. :smh:Don't forget about them bitches. There are receipts for them too.

I would be careful with the statements people keep repeating about "the continent with the most resources". Firstly, the resources don't mean shit until someone figures out what to do with em. Oil didn't mean shit until cars needed fuel. Diamonds don't mean shit without commercials to make people buy em. Even wood ain't shit til someone knows how to cut it to build or burn or whatever the fuck. The most important resource is the mind.

Secondly, "the continent" is a land mass broken into regions of extreme diversity, ethnicallyc linguistically, schools of thought, spiritual practices, politics , etc... We NOW look at "Africa" and wonder "why don't they just unite?" When many regions didn't know others even existed. So, we shouldn't be treating it as ONE place where all these resources come from. Just because Coltan comes from Congo , that dont mean shit to a Kenyan. Kenyans are still trying to wrap their heads around the geographical expression they call a country and how to deal with the diversity within that- much less a whole continent. I find the stories fascinating, but it also makes me realize how far ahead we are here with that. Lots more to do, but I damn sure don't wanna go backwards towards ethnostates and kingdoms and shit.

Off topic, just finished watching this piece about Domingo Alvarez. He was Vodun practitioner in Dahomey (present day Benin) who got sold off by the king becAuse his spiritual influence was too big in the kingdom. Lived as a slave, for a while in northern Brazil, but because he was also a healer/with Driving there , and poisoned one of the CACs, he got sent to Rio. There , the guy he was working for , who had bought him for his healing, contracted his work out, and he bought his freedom and set up healing centers all over town. Then , the Catholics had the same issue with him as the Kong where he was from , and sent him to Lisbon Portugal To stand trial as a heretic. Fascinating stuff. I just ordered the book. Some of these Moor fanatics would like this , cuz he was a Black man living in Portugal in an area where many Black folks lived and were buried

 

gene cisco

Not A BGOL Eunuch
BGOL Investor
I would be careful with the statements people keep repeating about "the continent with the most resources". Firstly, the resources don't mean shit until someone figures out what to do with em. Oil didn't mean shit until cars needed fuel. Diamonds don't mean shit without commercials to make people buy em. Even wood ain't shit til someone knows how to cut it to build or burn or whatever the fuck. The most important resource is the mind.

Secondly, "the continent" is a land mass broken into regions of extreme diversity, ethnicallyc linguistically, schools of thought, spiritual practices, politics , etc... We NOW look at "Africa" and wonder "why don't they just unite?" When many regions didn't know others even existed. So, we shouldn't be treating it as ONE place where all these resources come from. Just because Coltan comes from Congo , that dont mean shit to a Kenyan. Kenyans are still trying to wrap their heads around the geographical expression they call a country and how to deal with the diversity within that- much less a whole continent. I find the stories fascinating, but it also makes me realize how far ahead we are here with that. Lots more to do, but I damn sure don't wanna go backwards towards ethnostates and kingdoms and shit.

Off topic, just finished watching this piece about Domingo Alvarez. He was Vodun practitioner in Dahomey (present day Benin) who got sold off by the king becAuse his spiritual influence was too big in the kingdom. Lived as a slave, for a while in northern Brazil, but because he was also a healer/with Driving there , and poisoned one of the CACs, he got sent to Rio. There , the guy he was working for , who had bought him for his healing, contracted his work out, and he bought his freedom and set up healing centers all over town. Then , the Catholics had the same issue with him as the Kong where he was from , and sent him to Lisbon Portugal To stand trial as a heretic. Fascinating stuff. I just ordered the book. Some of these Moor fanatics would like this , cuz he was a Black man living in Portugal in an area where many Black folks lived and were buried



I only mentioned resources in that they shouldn't have had a problem making guns. I never really talk about Africa's resources for the reasons you state. If someone sitting on something that they ain't using, don't get mad when others invent reasons for that shit. Folks just in the fucking way. That's a hard reality. You can't sit around waiting for people to invent shit that use resources and then bitch and complain when they show up collecting.

To put this in perspective, look at Japan. A fucking island with limited resources that became a power that had to be nuked. Sadly, nothing in Africa could rival Japan. I remember mentioning Japan and reverse-engineering and some of these cats got all in their feelings. :smh: Folks want feel-good history, not reality.

It's not about uniting. It's just having leadership that is fucking capable. Japan wasn't united. Feuding with limited resources on a fucking island. Difference is their leaders run circles around African leaders. A people is only as good as leadership. Masses ain't shit on their own. White, black, brown, yellow, or whatever ethnicity/race. Resource-rich land or lacking resources. The people only as good as their leaders.

It's sad, but the world(not just cacs) looks at Africa like :confused: "You ain't using this shit, we'll just take it off your hands!"
 

exiledking

Rising Star
OG Investor
I only mentioned resources in that they shouldn't have had a problem making guns. I never really talk about Africa's resources for the reasons you state. If someone sitting on something that they ain't using, don't get mad when others invent reasons for that shit. Folks just in the fucking way. That's a hard reality. You can't sit around waiting for people to invent shit that use resources and then bitch and complain when they show up collecting.

To put this in perspective, look at Japan. A fucking island with limited resources that became a power that had to be nuked. Sadly, nothing in Africa could rival Japan. I remember mentioning Japan and reverse-engineering and some of these cats got all in their feelings. :smh: Folks want feel-good history, not reality.

It's not about uniting. It's just having leadership that is fucking capable. Japan wasn't united. Feuding with limited resources on a fucking island. Difference is their leaders run circles around African leaders. A people is only as good as leadership. Masses ain't shit on their own. White, black, brown, yellow, or whatever ethnicity/race. Resource-rich land or lacking resources. The people only as good as their leaders.

It's sad, but the world(not just cacs) looks at Africa like :confused: "You ain't using this shit, we'll just take it off your hands!"
Fair enough. I understand what you're saying better now. Yeah, I know there were SOME people who worked on making guns, but it definitely wasn't on the culture. Sucks. Oh well. That was 400 years ago. In America , we had zblack manufacturers and continue to. I'm proud of that.

If you get into the "guns germs steel" geographical aspect of it all theres also the issue of navigable rivers or lack thereof in Africa , the north/south layout, as opposed to east west, and whatever factors that lead to what we ended up with. But we're here now, and time to make shit happen
 

VAiz4hustlaz

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BGOL Investor
I would be careful with the statements people keep repeating about "the continent with the most resources". Firstly, the resources don't mean shit until someone figures out what to do with em. Oil didn't mean shit until cars needed fuel. Diamonds don't mean shit without commercials to make people buy em. Even wood ain't shit til someone knows how to cut it to build or burn or whatever the fuck. The most important resource is the mind.

Secondly, "the continent" is a land mass broken into regions of extreme diversity, ethnicallyc linguistically, schools of thought, spiritual practices, politics , etc... We NOW look at "Africa" and wonder "why don't they just unite?" When many regions didn't know others even existed. So, we shouldn't be treating it as ONE place where all these resources come from. Just because Coltan comes from Congo , that dont mean shit to a Kenyan. Kenyans are still trying to wrap their heads around the geographical expression they call a country and how to deal with the diversity within that- much less a whole continent. I find the stories fascinating, but it also makes me realize how far ahead we are here with that. Lots more to do, but I damn sure don't wanna go backwards towards ethnostates and kingdoms and shit.

Off topic, just finished watching this piece about Domingo Alvarez. He was Vodun practitioner in Dahomey (present day Benin) who got sold off by the king becAuse his spiritual influence was too big in the kingdom. Lived as a slave, for a while in northern Brazil, but because he was also a healer/with Driving there , and poisoned one of the CACs, he got sent to Rio. There , the guy he was working for , who had bought him for his healing, contracted his work out, and he bought his freedom and set up healing centers all over town. Then , the Catholics had the same issue with him as the Kong where he was from , and sent him to Lisbon Portugal To stand trial as a heretic. Fascinating stuff. I just ordered the book. Some of these Moor fanatics would like this , cuz he was a Black man living in Portugal in an area where many Black folks lived and were buried



Freddy is a Moor fanatic. Think he’ll read it? :giggle:
 

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“I think something that American blacks (and Americans in general) need to understand is that your very existence is an affront to the history of the world. I always say context is everything, and if a picture isn't very clear, it often means you need to step further back to see the bigger picture before you.

Throughout much of world history, you will not hear of any people/culture/nation that ascended from rags to wealth and power like America has as a nation. Our Statue of Liberty declares to the world to give us "your poor, your tired and your huddled masses," because the belief in America has been that individuals can rise higher. But if you are paying attention to how other cultures operate and treat undesirable members in their own societies, you will find that our belief in such an ideology is contrary and "foreign" to what they believe to be true about one's station in life. Among other nations, there is a consistent ideology that those who are poor or belong to an underclass should remain underclass.

In India, these people are referred to as untouchables, who are not even treated with even a modicum of human decency. But more importantly, their belief systems even support their poor treatment meted against them by the broader Indian society, because as Hindus who believe in reincarnation, they fundamentally believe that people who find themselves a member of the underclass are somehow deserving of their station because of their deeds in a previous life.

In Saudi Arabia, African immigrants who go there to work as servants, are often beaten and sometimes even killed while working for some of these families.

Even in America, before the 13 colonies declared Independence and went to war with Britain, it was becoming more and more clear by the colonists that Britain intended to make them a permanent underclass in servitude to the Royal Crown. What no one elaborates on in our American history classes is that from the 1500's to the 1700's, if you were a citizen of a European country sent to the America's, it was more than likely because you had committed a crime, were an indentured servant or a member of the masses the European governments could not afford to care for. Early colonizers were often members if the underclass in their home countries. But when the U.S. declared independence, it got the attention of Europe, because it was the beginning of the end of Royal rule throughout Europe. From the 1700's onward and through the early 1900's, Europeans toppled their Royal governments, and established


The only thing that has allowed us as blacks in America to make progress in race relations since our enslavement on this soil, is the fact that there has always been an underlying ideology and belief that people can rise above their station in life if they work hard and are willing to fight for it. Although we still face discrimination as a people in this country, that is not to diminish the shining example our existence is within the broader context of a world history that has never allowed a group from an underclass to rise higher.

So then, you have to realize that when you are speaking with people from foreign countries, they could be coming from a world view that does not support the idea that an underclass can rise above their station, which is also why they try so hard to distance themselves from African Americans in this country.

You also have to realize that there are members from the upper echelons of their home countries who consider the very idea of America as an afront to their own legitimacy. If you are in an abusive relationship where your partner demeans you, humiliates in an effort to prevent you from seeing and recognizing your true worth, that abusive partner becomes truly angry and fearful when you stand up for yourself and refuse to believe their lies about what and who you are. Even more so when not only do you refuse them power over you, you rise up to become more powerful than them. That is the story of America - the majority of the people who immigrate here come because their home countries treated them like sh*t, while the wealthier members of their home countries did nothing to help them. So when these people who may have been members of an underclass in their home.countries travel to America and become educated and raise their station in life, they become hated by the middle to upper class members of their old countries, and one of three things will happen:

1) they will face rejection by members from their home country for being too "American".

2) they will be guilted into supporting their community back home, attempting to solve problems and issues in their old communities that foreign governments and the wealthy members of those countries should have taken care of for their citizens.

3) They will be encouraged to denounce American cultural values in favor of the cultural traditions of their origin.

The third one is key, because many fail to realize that the mentality carried with them from their home country is the reason why some of the leadership in their countries are willing to exploit, or allow the exploitation of their own citizens by wealthier or more powerful entities - it is the belief that if you are a member of the underclass, then you don't matter.

This is important because while the issue surrounding immigration is being presented as a racial matter, the real issue is the question of assimilation and culture. Which brings us to this discussion today:

I don't have a problem with African immigrants, or immigrants from any country, but I do have a problem with the continued practice of a mentality that is contrary to American cultural ethos and values, coupled with the demeaning attituded towards Americans, whose ideals made this country what it is. This especially applies to African Americans who fought and won civil rights in this country, only for immigrants to look at our cultural values as if they are somehow less than theirs? When it was our cultural values that allowed us to survive slavery, survive Jim Crow, and fight for civil rights? Especially when some of these immigrant groups have refused or failed to do the same in the home countries they are running away from, only to tell us we are too lazy and they deserve the resources in this country that were fought and won by our ancestors? Not only that, we are supposed to forget the blood, sweat, tears and lives our people spilled on this soil so you can feel accepted while you disrespect us outright? I don't think so.

We should be aware of what results when groups adopt belief systems that compound over time and end up choking the very life out of their culture. I think as Americans, and especially as black Americans, we have been trained to believe that all problems faced by other groups and nations are the direct result of western influence, or involvement, when that isn't always the case - some of these countries devolved to where they are because it is the only logical result produced by their belief systems and ideologies over decades, and centuries.

So let's be clear: Africa underwent European colonialism, and her resources were, and continue to be pillaged by outside forces and Powers. However, Africa was easy and continues to be easy to exploit because of a tribal cultural history and mentality. It was only after many centuries that this tribal mentality coalesced into the Africa we see today. What's more, is that it appears many Africans bring this mentality with them when they arrive in the states. It's a divisionist mentality that leaves Africans open to exploitation, but because we share the same racial background, it becomes a problem for all of us as black people, but especially as black Americans who already learned the importance of putting divisions aside to achieve larger goals.

Many of you are claiming that it is black Americans that have rejected unity with Africans, but on what basis? Everything about our experience in this country has taught us the importance of racial solidarity over the cultural differences among us as black people - that's why so many immigrants complain that Americans make everything about race - our cultural framework has always been racial before anything else. So in that sense, why would we as a people reject you on the basis of your cultural background alone, when we recognized that you are black like us? The truth of the matter is that as black Americans we never rejected Africans, but everything about their cultural framework suggests that Africans consistently place tribe/nation over Africans or Black people belonging to other tribes/nations.

So if Africans are experiencing push-back from Black Americans now, its because over the years as more of you have continued to immigrate to this country, we are starting to see the pattern in your behavior towards us."
WTF does all these have to do with the simple question I asked you? Funny how you are writing, copying and pasting dissertations but I just debunked you entire position with a few sentences. Take a deep breath, re-read my post and address it.
 

VAiz4hustlaz

Proud ADOS and not afraid to step to da mic!
BGOL Investor
WTF does all these have to do with the simple question I asked you? Funny how you are writing, copying and pasting dissertations but I just debunked you entire position with a few sentences. Take a deep breath, re-read my post and address it.

Your question was a false equivalency and not worthy of being directly addressed due to its nonsensical nature. I simply replied with a quoted post that you, as an African immigrant, know to be the truth and that explains the essence of why we as ADOS should never trust you.
 

Mrfreddygoodbud

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BGOL Investor
Freddy is a Moor fanatic. Think he’ll read it? :giggle:

well you could be an adjective.. black. Id rather be a noun you know a PERSON..place or thing...

yall just some easily led muthafuckas who rather read a whole bunch of mind fuckery than just simple fuckin truth..

just look up the word blackamoor...

black·a·moor
/ˈblakəˌmo͝or/
Learn to pronounce
noun
ARCHAIC
  1. a black African or a very dark-skinned person.
who the fuck does that describe.. take your time tho.. I wouldnt want you to get a headache...??

you know you cant fuck with these facts which is why you ignore them and feebly attack the messenger..

but I dont mind coming into your threads when they start to die out and give it and yourself a lil spark..

thats what us godz aka blackamoors do.!!!

give life to the dead!!!

ask europeans
 

VAiz4hustlaz

Proud ADOS and not afraid to step to da mic!
BGOL Investor
well you could be an adjective.. black. Id rather be a noun you know a PERSON..place or thing...

yall just some easily led muthafuckas who rather read a whole bunch of mind fuckery than just simple fuckin truth..

just look up the word blackamoor...

black·a·moor
/ˈblakəˌmo͝or/
Learn to pronounce
noun
ARCHAIC
  1. a black African or a very dark-skinned person.
who the fuck does that describe.. take your time tho.. I wouldnt want you to get a headache...??

you know you cant fuck with these facts which is why you ignore them and feebly attack the messenger..

but I dont mind coming into your threads when they start to die out and give it and yourself a lil spark..

thats what us godz aka blackamoors do.!!!

give life to the dead!!!

ask europeans

I have ENCOURAGED you to post more information about the things of which you speak! I have only asked that you post some source information.
 

Mrfreddygoodbud

Rising Star
BGOL Investor
I have ENCOURAGED you to post more information about the things of which you speak! I have only asked that you post some source information.

the facts I give is all the info you need.. its up to you to seek from there.

I gave facts that cant be disputed.. and all that shit does it get ignored..

I posted the negro law of south carolina .. all I heard was a couple of naysayers tellin me what the law meant to say...despite the fact its a fuckin law thats waitin for dudes like yall to break it down LOL

the fuckin definition of blackamoor is african or very dark skin person.

and you muthafuckas just twirling around playing mr and mrs stupidass

lol
 

VAiz4hustlaz

Proud ADOS and not afraid to step to da mic!
BGOL Investor
are you a blackamoor??

No.

the facts I give is all the info you need.. its up to you to seek from there.

I gave facts that cant be disputed.. and all that shit does it get ignored..

I posted the negro law of south carolina .. all I heard was a couple of naysayers tellin me what the law meant to say...despite the fact its a fuckin law thats waitin for dudes like yall to break it down LOL

the fuckin definition of blackamoor is african or very dark skin person.

and you muthafuckas just twirling around playing mr and mrs stupidass

lol

The Negro Law of South Carolina says nothing about Moors or Blackamoors.
 

Mrfreddygoodbud

Rising Star
BGOL Investor
No.



The Negro Law of South Carolina says nothing about Moors or Blackamoors.

oh so you must be a light skin person that would make you morisco...

and yes the negro law of south carolina does mention moor..

do you realize how many times you been wrong in discussing Moorish facts about who we are..??

the law specifically states we are not free inhabitants of africa like the egyptians, MOORS etc...

then it contradicts all of that by saying we are the ancient berbers... and it specifically mentions MOORS so thats one of the reasons I cant take yall seriously..

because its obvious yall not here to build.. ...

the law clearly states were were the ancient berbers.. and it was the ancient berbers who taught the european pink toe niger troglodyte everything he knows...

the law states we are the ancient berbers...

two berber dynasties that ran spain...

Almoravids and Almohads, ruled large parts of Spain and northwest Africa.

and they are known as moors...


in order for us to be subjagated they had to remove moor from black.....

and trick us into calling ourselves a color like a fuckin crayon in a crayon box...

and THATS HOW THEY CUT US OFF FROM OUR TRUE HISTORY.. annnnnd

from having any rights they are bound to respect. thats why we are constantly fighting

for natural rights which are our birthright.. but by calling yourself black or checkin or black as your race, you give the permission to treat you like shit an why we get no respect in law..

there are folks our own people that know this and whose job it is to keep this type of information from getting out..

In case yall havent figured it out.. Im not really responding to you.. I responding to those that are meant and ready for truth...

plant that seed to they could head in the right direction..

not these fuckin circles agents and their provocateurs like to get folks to run arund in...

so you are NOT a blackamoor huh??

oh well..

Not my problem!!
 
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Your question was a false equivalency and not worthy of being directly addressed due to its nonsensical nature. I simply replied with a quoted post that you, as an African immigrant, know to be the truth and that explains the essence of why we as ADOS should never trust you.

Again, your position is absolutely stupid beyond measure and no amount of cut and paste can help you.

If you had any ounce of sense, you will realize that lots of Africans that remained in Africa suffered untold horror as a result of the slave trade of their family members.

Your low IQ seem unable to process that Africans were victims just as much as they were perpetrators. Which is no different from how African Americans are victims as well as perpetrators in black on black violence in the US.

Now go back to elementary logic school and holla back when you get some sense.
 

VAiz4hustlaz

Proud ADOS and not afraid to step to da mic!
BGOL Investor
Again, your position is absolutely stupid beyond measure and no amount of cut and paste can help you.

If you had any ounce of sense, you will realize that lots of Africans that remained in Africa suffered untold horror as a result of the slave trade of their family members.

Your low IQ seem unable to process that Africans were victims just as much as they were perpetrators. Which is no different from how African Americans are victims as well as perpetrators in black on black violence in the US.

Now go back to elementary logic school and holla back when you get some sense.

“Africans that remained in Africa suffered untold horror as a result of the slave trade of their family members.”

Who initially took those family members as slaves?

“Africans were victims just as much as they were perpetrators”

Victimized by who?

Which Africans are these?


Which one is you?
 

VAiz4hustlaz

Proud ADOS and not afraid to step to da mic!
BGOL Investor
oh so you must be a light skin person that would make you morisco...

and yes the negro law of south carolina does mention moor..

do you realize how many times you been wrong in discussing Moorish facts about who we are..??

the law specifically states we are not free inhabitants of africa like the egyptians, MOORS etc...

then it contradicts all of that by saying we are the ancient berbers... and it specifically mentions MOORS so thats one of the reasons I cant take yall seriously..

because its obvious yall not here to build.. ...

the law clearly states were were the ancient berbers.. and it was the ancient berbers who taught the european pink toe niger troglodyte everything he knows...

the law states we are the ancient berbers...

two berber dynasties that ran spain...

Almoravids and Almohads, ruled large parts of Spain and northwest Africa.

and they are known as moors...


in order for us to be subjagated they had to remove moor from black.....

and trick us into calling ourselves a color like a fuckin crayon in a crayon box...

and THATS HOW THEY CUT US OFF FROM OUR TRUE HISTORY.. annnnnd

from having any rights they are bound to respect. thats why we are constantly fighting

for natural rights which are our birthright.. but by calling yourself black or checkin or black as your race, you give the permission to treat you like shit an why we get no respect in law..

there are folks our own people that know this and whose job it is to keep this type of information from getting out..

In case yall havent figured it out.. Im not really responding to you.. I responding to those that are meant and ready for truth...

plant that seed to they could head in the right direction..

not these fuckin circles agents and their provocateurs like to get folks to run arund in...

so you are NOT a blackamoor huh??

oh well..

Not my problem!!

No, I’m not a Moor. The Moors were driven out of Spain in 1492 by the united northern kingdoms of Castile and Aragon led by King Ferdinand and Queen Isabella. I have no biological relationship to any of the Moors and I can prove this through genetic ancestry tests. The Negro Law of South Carolina, a document written 250 years after the expulsion of the Moors, makes a distinction between the “ancient Berbers” and the “Moors”.

Sec. 4. The term negro is confined to slave Africans, (the ancient Berbers) and their descendants. It does not embrace the free inhabitants of Africa, such as the Egyptians, Moors, or the negro Asiatics, such as the Lascars.



I am ADOS. The bulk of my ancestors were taken by force from various villages in West and Central Africa by greedy African rulers and merchants and castes and were sold to European slave merchants, who in turn transported them across the Atlantic Ocean to be enslaved in the English middle colonies. Some of my other ancestors were either slavers of Northwest European descent or peasants of Northwest European descent who were pushed out of Europe to the dumping grounds of the “New World.”

None of these people were Moors (although may have been Muslim, especially those from Mali).
 

Mrfreddygoodbud

Rising Star
BGOL Investor
No, I’m not a Moor. The Moors were driven out of Spain in 1492 by the united northern kingdoms of Castile and Aragon led by King Ferdinand and Queen Isabella. I have no biological relationship to any of the Moors and I can prove this through genetic ancestry tests. The Negro Law of South Carolina, a document written 250 years after the expulsion of the Moors, makes a distinction between the “ancient Berbers” and the “Moors”.

Sec. 4. The term negro is confined to slave Africans, (the ancient Berbers) and their descendants. It does not embrace the free inhabitants of Africa, such as the Egyptians, Moors, or the negro Asiatics, such as the Lascars.



I am ADOS. The bulk of my ancestors were taken by force from various villages in West and Central Africa by greedy African rulers and merchants and castes and were sold to European slave merchants, who in turn transported them across the Atlantic Ocean to be enslaved in the English middle colonies. Some of my other ancestors were either slavers of Northwest European descent or peasants of Northwest European descent who were pushed out of Europe to the dumping grounds of the “New World.”

None of these people were Moors (although may have been Muslim, especially those from Mali).


ok first off you should admit you were wrong... the law I mentioned and you just quoted.. MENTIONED MOORS... can you admit that?

Secondly.. if you would really dig into our moorish history you would discover, exactly WHERE the Moors went during the SPANISH INQUISITION......

thats right few stayed and converted to cracker jesus christianity.... and guess where many others went...

you got into Africa, who do you think the africans were rounding up and selling as captives...??

they say what about half a million captives( slaves )survived the horrors of the trans atlantic crossing. and these were the so called "first" to arrive to the americas...

Well guess how many moors were expelled from Europe to the Americas around the same time the atlantic slave trade was supposed to have taken place..

take a guess.. a wild guess.. then go look it up....

If you cant put two and two together that aint my problem bruh...

if you dont know who you are... again.. that aint my problem bruh...
 

Autobot8655

Rising Star
BGOL Investor
“Africans that remained in Africa suffered untold horror as a result of the slave trade of their family members.”

Who initially took those family members as slaves?

“Africans were victims just as much as they were perpetrators”

Victimized by who?

Which Africans are these?


Which one is you?



This is foul as fuck. :thumbsdown:
 
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