Told you the ADOS/FBA shit is a scam

totto

Rising Star
BGOL Investor
If you dudes heard Lebron was going to Miami you'll believe it, ya'll probably the type to believed them fake videos of twitter portraying black folks acting a certain way.
 

totto

Rising Star
BGOL Investor
Social media might the nail in our coffin
Yes, lack of families, no structure so it's every man or woman for themselves, they don't come together and compete with each other and crackers got their picking of ideas to come from the disfunction in the community and niggas literally blaming Tariq imao

These niggas can't even address classism which is so obvious especially here on BGOL and in more black circles with people doing better than the norm.

Niggas hop the fence to get some hood pussy and raise the fence to keep them hoes out when they done with them.

They don't understand Tariq at all, just talk trash... can't even get a logical idea of the point he has.

Keep up the fuckery as long as they above it.
 

Darrkman

Hollis, Queens = Center of the Universe
BGOL Investor
The best part of tariq's tweet is that you're seeing all the blue check podcast Bros and podcast ladies that were always claiming FBA to show that really they're Republicans. And it's proving what I've been saying for years the entire ados / FBA movement is Republican lead to try and get Black people to not vote.
 

totto

Rising Star
BGOL Investor
Tariq has been flirting with Trump for four years. What's new? It's grift all the way with him.
bills to pay and we won't become socialist so we gotta eat, wouldn't call Tariq a scam he delivers whether or not you like it.

NIggas just don't like hear alternative thought, we DEMS to the death to cats in here.
 

Diomedes3000

Rising Star
BGOL Investor
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Gods_Debris

Rising Star
Registered
People win this ADOS started. I raise hell about it. Now y’all see why I was raising hell about it. The people who are a member of that crap are coons and undercover white boys.
With all disrespect eat a dick, my g. It's a non-starter between your bad takes on so many issues and your terrible grasp of grammar and the English language.

Even when you luck up and land on the right side of an issue your method for arriving at those conclusions falls squarely within the realm of the Broken Clock Theory based on own explanations. in fact, y'all niggas are the sheep you keep trying to label us as.

We have been claiming our birthright heritage waaaaaay before the term ADOS was a thing and I can pull up my OWN posts from the early 2000's extolling precisely some of the ideas that this grifter Tariq is espousing now. Hell, he probably lifted the shit right from our posts on BGOL.

P.S.- Tariq can go Dutch with you on the dick eating. Fuck that lispy nigga with a sideways hockey stick.
 

Gods_Debris

Rising Star
Registered
Notice these faggots who are always talking about how bad the division is are always the ones running to stir up shit. It's no coincidence, they are working their own grift. It's called misdirection. They are also the same niggas screaming how much they hate homo shit too. Go figure.
 

Camille

Kitchen Wench #TeamQuaid
Staff member
bills to pay and we won't become socialist so we gotta eat, wouldn't call Tariq a scam he delivers whether or not you like it.

NIggas just don't like hear alternative thought, we DEMS to the death to cats in here.

Lmao @ alternative thought. None of the FBA/ADOS folk are willing to lobby the GOP because they don't believe they will support black issues or reparations. They don't want to support dems until they get "tangibles", which they can't get until more dems are elected as the GOP is off the table per their own admission.

They say other groups got xyz without voting so they shouldn't have to vote, ignoring the fact that the elected officials in congress, who are majority dem and gop with a sprinkle of independents, are the ones who propose, write, and pass legislation so in order to get ANYTHING it has to go through the current two-party system.

They think threatening to withhold votes they weren't casting in the first place will be effective. They speak generally of not voting dem but can never get specific about who they WILL support. When we do get a name it's someone we already know is horrible (Trump) or equally horrible (DeSantis, Kemp).

in 4 years the only thing Trump managed to do for black folk is inspire white folk to increase hate crimes against us and dog out immigrants to give black folk with low self esteem like MegaTrannyX someone to feel superior to. All the while ignoring what he was doing such as criminalizing black activists, voiding consent decrees, attacking outspoken black folks (Kaepernick still doesn't have a job), rolling back environmental protections and making it harder for black folks to vote.

So what is the alternative plan, thought or system that gets reparations or any other black political agenda passed that doesn't go through congress aka dems and GOP?

If you want to say government is not the answer at all fine, but there is nothing stopping use of non government organizations now or in conjunction with voting, which only takes place 1-2x per year anyway.
 

totto

Rising Star
BGOL Investor
Lmao @ alternative thought. None of the FBA/ADOS folk are willing to lobby the GOP because they don't believe they will support black issues or reparations. They don't want to support dems until they get "tangibles", which they can't get until more dems are elected as the GOP is off the table per their own admission.

They say other groups got xyz without voting so they shouldn't have to vote, ignoring the fact that the elected officials in congress, who are majority dem and gop with a sprinkle of independents, are the ones who propose, write, and pass legislation so in order to get ANYTHING it has to go through the current two-party system.

They think threatening to withhold votes they weren't casting in the first place will be effective. They speak generally of not voting dem but can never get specific about who they WILL support. When we do get a name it's someone we already know is horrible (Trump) or equally horrible (DeSantis, Kemp).

in 4 years the only thing Trump managed to do for black folk is inspire white folk to increase hate crimes against us and dog out immigrants to give black folk with low self esteem like MegaTrannyX someone to feel superior to. All the while ignoring what he was doing such as criminalizing black activists, voiding consent decrees, attacking outspoken black folks (Kaepernick still doesn't have a job), rolling back environmental protections and making it harder for black folks to vote.

So what is the alternative plan, thought or system that gets reparations or any other black political agenda passed that doesn't go through congress aka dems and GOP?

If you want to say government is not the answer at all fine, but there is nothing stopping use of non government organizations now or in conjunction with voting, which only takes place 1-2x per year anyway.
This is all some seat at the table garbage, let me make it real simple.

1. Get married, make families, be conservative, stop killing and shooting...
2. You change how you "spend" money people will come to you it's not hard
3. This is exactly what Asians do usually also Indians, politicians seek you, not you seek them

You people need to be honest with yourself, you don' think clearly at all, you so used to the independent grind you have no idea how communities usually work.

Tariq is saying nothing that sensible people aren't saying, trust me it's alot of white folks when they get drunk will tell a black person the same thing, families, culture... not hard at all.

Too much nonsense you posted to even read all that.
 

Gods_Debris

Rising Star
Registered
Lmao @ alternative thought. None of the FBA/ADOS folk are willing to lobby the GOP because they don't believe they will support black issues or reparations. They don't want to support dems until they get "tangibles", which they can't get until more dems are elected as the GOP is off the table per their own admission.

They say other groups got xyz without voting so they shouldn't have to vote, ignoring the fact that the elected officials in congress, who are majority dem and gop with a sprinkle of independents, are the ones who propose, write, and pass legislation so in order to get ANYTHING it has to go through the current two-party system.

They think threatening to withhold votes they weren't casting in the first place will be effective. They speak generally of not voting dem but can never get specific about who they WILL support. When we do get a name it's someone we already know is horrible (Trump) or equally horrible (DeSantis, Kemp).

in 4 years the only thing Trump managed to do for black folk is inspire white folk to increase hate crimes against us and dog out immigrants to give black folk with low self esteem like MegaTrannyX someone to feel superior to. All the while ignoring what he was doing such as criminalizing black activists, voiding consent decrees, attacking outspoken black folks (Kaepernick still doesn't have a job), rolling back environmental protections and making it harder for black folks to vote.

So what is the alternative plan, thought or system that gets reparations or any other black political agenda passed that doesn't go through congress aka dems and GOP?

If you want to say government is not the answer at all fine, but there is nothing stopping use of non government organizations now or in conjunction with voting, which only takes place 1-2x per year anyway.
Respectfully, that's a mischaracterization of the facts MS. Camille. Trump is dogshit but he did as much FOR blacks as Biden has. The ancillary effects that may benifit or hurt ADOS have zero to do with direct policy making targeting Blacks as a cultural group. (I'm talking the express language of the legislations.)

The fact we got punk ass immigrants even trying to deny our civil rights history, dominant worldly contributions to the social and societal fabric and even rights to our own distinct identities while claiming their own is an act of emnity and aggression. The crazy shit is I am an erstwhile supporter of immigration and actually have many friends from immigrant communities. Hell, I did contract work for a refugee resettlement agency for fucking years! Even then the majority of motherfuckers fleeing persecution in their own homelands had the most toxic views of Blacks. Telling me "oh but you're different." Ain't that some shit?!

The prevailing attitude of the people that come here seems to be: "their backs make perfect ladders"

If this isn't the case where is their confederacy? Show me the solidarity when they won't directly benifit as a result. We do that shit all day long.

What's stopping them from coordinating outside of government? I can't take this seriously. I guess you never heard about the Black Panther Party. Please, be better stewards of history.
 
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blackpepper

Rising Star
BGOL Investor
This is all some seat at the table garbage, let me make it real simple.
1. Get married, make families, be conservative, stop killing and shooting...
2. You change how you "spend" money people will come to you it's not hard
3. This is exactly what Asians do usually also Indians, politicians seek you, not you seek them
You people need to be honest with yourself, you don' think clearly at all, you so used to the independent grind you have no idea how communities usually work.

Tariq is saying nothing that sensible people aren't saying, trust me it's alot of white folks when they get drunk will tell a black person the same thing, families, culture... not hard at all.

Too much nonsense you posted to even read all that.
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Drayonis

Thedogyears.com
BGOL Investor
This is all some seat at the table garbage, let me make it real simple.

1. Get married, make families, be conservative, stop killing and shooting...
2. You change how you "spend" money people will come to you it's not hard
3. This is exactly what Asians do usually also Indians, politicians seek you, not you seek them

You people need to be honest with yourself, you don' think clearly at all, you so used to the independent grind you have no idea how communities usually work.

Tariq is saying nothing that sensible people aren't saying, trust me it's alot of white folks when they get drunk will tell a black person the same thing, families, culture... not hard at all.

Too much nonsense you posted to even read all that.

You can't do all that shit you listed and still vote? It's not one or the other.
 

Camille

Kitchen Wench #TeamQuaid
Staff member
This is all some seat at the table garbage, let me make it real simple.

1. Get married, make families, be conservative, stop killing and shooting...
2. You change how you "spend" money people will come to you it's not hard
3. This is exactly what Asians do usually also Indians, politicians seek you, not you seek them

You people need to be honest with yourself, you don' think clearly at all, you so used to the independent grind you have no idea how communities usually work.

Tariq is saying nothing that sensible people aren't saying, trust me it's alot of white folks when they get drunk will tell a black person the same thing, families, culture... not hard at all.

Too much nonsense you posted to even read all that.

How does voting stop you from doing anything you've listed? If reparations is an end goal, how do you get them without going through congress (aka dems/GOP)? If reparations is no longer a goal then FBA should say so, and if that is the case stop using that as a barometer as to whether or not dems are properly advocating for black folk.
 

Gods_Debris

Rising Star
Registered
This is all some seat at the table garbage, let me make it real simple.

1. Get married, make families, be conservative, stop killing and shooting...
2. You change how you "spend" money people will come to you it's not hard
3. This is exactly what Asians do usually also Indians, politicians seek you, not you seek them

You people need to be honest with yourself, you don' think clearly at all, you so used to the independent grind you have no idea how communities usually work.

Tariq is saying nothing that sensible people aren't saying, trust me it's alot of white folks when they get drunk will tell a black person the same thing, families, culture... not hard at all.

Too much nonsense you posted to even read all that.
Your premise is all wrong when start trying to compare how ethic groups who arrived here by choice and who were sanctioned by the government operate within this system. There is a cadre of unique and varied sets of rules imposed on each one by the overlords with varying degrees of overlap.
 

Darrkman

Hollis, Queens = Center of the Universe
BGOL Investor
This is all some seat at the table garbage, let me make it real simple.

1. Get married, make families, be conservative, stop killing and shooting...
2. You change how you "spend" money people will come to you it's not hard
3. This is exactly what Asians do usually also Indians, politicians seek you, not you seek them

You people need to be honest with yourself, you don' think clearly at all, you so used to the independent grind you have no idea how communities usually work.

Tariq is saying nothing that sensible people aren't saying, trust me it's alot of white folks when they get drunk will tell a black person the same thing, families, culture... not hard at all.

Too much nonsense you posted to even read all that.

For someone that claims to be Black you sure talk about Black people like you're not one yourself. It's very interesting the little tells that people online give off when they're faking who they really are.

Anyway addressing the rest of your bullshit, when it comes to things like culture and family and personal responsibility the most interesting thing is that the people who say that the most, white conservatives, never live up to it themselves. You had white people dropping like flies because of opioid drugs. You got white women getting raped regularly in college and the ones raping them are white dudes that then get a slap on the wrist by the justice system. You're sitting here talking about how Indian people act and I can tell you don't know a lot of Indian people because that's a racist bunch of people and on top of that they treat each other like shit. I say that cause I ACTUALLY know Indian people and I see how they treat and talk to each other.

Every time I see a knucklehead like you talk about culture and personal responsibility it always cracks me up because what you're really trying to say is be more like white people but the white people you put on a pedestal can't live up to the ideal they want everyone else to live up to and it shows. But that part you'll ignore for one reason and one reason only because you want to strive to be them and seeing how they really are would make you look like the fool we all know you to be.

Anyway I've been thoroughly enjoying how all the ados/ FBA coons in here have been trying to justify the fact that their favorite boy Tariq has just given his praise to Donald Trump.
 

Darrkman

Hollis, Queens = Center of the Universe
BGOL Investor
Because one dude made a comment supporting deportation of illegals?

Oh no don't even try and downplay what really happened. That Coon tariq, who is the poster boy for the FBA movement that idiots in here love to praise, basically said he likes Donald Trump. As soon as he did that his followers, who all will also praise the FBA movement, also started praising Donald Trump. Basically what they all did was drop the mask that they're really Republicans and people who got fooled are now on here shuckin and jivin to try and make it seem like it's no big deal.

I haven't been wrong yet with any of the things I've said. You literally got dummies on here taking advice from a man who is praising the head of the Republican Party when he says that Black people should not vote.


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Camille

Kitchen Wench #TeamQuaid
Staff member
Respectfully, that's a mischaracterization of the facts MS. Camille. Trump is dogshit but he did as much FOR blacks as Biden has. The ancillary effects that may benifit or hurt ADOS have zero to do with direct policy making targeting Blacks as a cultural group. (I'm talking the express language of the legislations.)

The fact we got punk ass immigrants even trying to deny our civil rights history, dominant worldly contributions to the social and societal fabric and even rights to our own distinct identities while claiming their own is an act of emnity and aggression. The crazy shit is I am an erstwhile supporter of immigration and actually have many friends from immigrant communities. Hell, I did contract work for a refugee resettlement agency for fucking years! Even then the majority of motherfuckers fleeing persecution in their own homelands had the most toxic views of Blacks. Telling me "oh but you're different." Ain't that some shit?!

The prevailing attitude of the people that come here seems to be: "their backs make perfect ladders"

If this isn't the case where is their confederacy? Show me the solidarity when they won't directly benifit as a result. We do that shit all day long.

What's stopping them from coordinating outside of government? I can't take this seriously. I guess you never heard about the Black Panther Party. Please, be better stewards of history.

I haven't seen immigrants deny our history but I have seen the GOP legislate to do so.


Let's talk policy and actions his administration took.

Trump Administration Quietly Rolls Back Civil Rights Efforts Across Federal Government


Press sec said Jemele should be fired for Trump comments.


Trump's Justice Dept to roll back Obama program investigating abuses by local police


Trump pick for NC judge accused of 'hostile record on African-American voting rights.




Trump Justice Dept investigating affirmative action policies at Harvard

















Side effect...


I can provide a list of several department heads who were appointed to weaken and destroy them. I can also list several environmental regulation roll backs that mostly affect poor black folk.
 

Soul On Ice

Democrat 1st!
Certified Pussy Poster
Lmao @ alternative thought. None of the FBA/ADOS folk are willing to lobby the GOP because they don't believe they will support black issues or reparations. They don't want to support dems until they get "tangibles", which they can't get until more dems are elected as the GOP is off the table per their own admission.

They say other groups got xyz without voting so they shouldn't have to vote, ignoring the fact that the elected officials in congress, who are majority dem and gop with a sprinkle of independents, are the ones who propose, write, and pass legislation so in order to get ANYTHING it has to go through the current two-party system.

They think threatening to withhold votes they weren't casting in the first place will be effective. They speak generally of not voting dem but can never get specific about who they WILL support. When we do get a name it's someone we already know is horrible (Trump) or equally horrible (DeSantis, Kemp).

in 4 years the only thing Trump managed to do for black folk is inspire white folk to increase hate crimes against us and dog out immigrants to give black folk with low self esteem like MegaTrannyX someone to feel superior to. All the while ignoring what he was doing such as criminalizing black activists, voiding consent decrees, attacking outspoken black folks (Kaepernick still doesn't have a job), rolling back environmental protections and making it harder for black folks to vote.

So what is the alternative plan, thought or system that gets reparations or any other black political agenda passed that doesn't go through congress aka dems and GOP?

If you want to say government is not the answer at all fine, but there is nothing stopping use of non government organizations now or in conjunction with voting, which only takes place 1-2x per year anyway.
Sis, if my PS5 broke down, why in hell would I complain to Xbox about it?
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gene cisco

Not A BGOL Eunuch
BGOL Investor
Yo, fuck Nasheed(he is clearly about the dollar first), the mean twitter man, GOP, mindless party first/black last shills, and illegals. Fuck them all.

But folks who can trace their people through Jim crow to slavery should have a loud voice in politics. Louder than the letter people. Louder than illegals. Just to name 2 groups that dictate political thought these days. Shit ain't divisive. That Civil Rights movement opened the door for EVERYONE.

And before some bitch ass shill says some shit, I'm not 'dont vote'. I say vote AND demand something for it. Talk that shit. Don't complain to people you didn't vote for(GOP). Complain to the ones you put in office. And if they don't do the job, replace them(Dumb shills, that don't mean switching parties, it means directing the party you vote for). Stop defending do-nothing politicians like they fam. :smh:
 

Camille

Kitchen Wench #TeamQuaid
Staff member
Respectfully, that's a mischaracterization of the facts MS. Camille. Trump is dogshit but he did as much FOR blacks as Biden has. The ancillary effects that may benifit or hurt ADOS have zero to do with direct policy making targeting Blacks as a cultural group. (I'm talking the express language of the legislations.)

The fact we got punk ass immigrants even trying to deny our civil rights history, dominant worldly contributions to the social and societal fabric and even rights to our own distinct identities while claiming their own is an act of emnity and aggression. The crazy shit is I am an erstwhile supporter of immigration and actually have many friends from immigrant communities. Hell, I did contract work for a refugee resettlement agency for fucking years! Even then the majority of motherfuckers fleeing persecution in their own homelands had the most toxic views of Blacks. Telling me "oh but you're different." Ain't that some shit?!

The prevailing attitude of the people that come here seems to be: "their backs make perfect ladders"

If this isn't the case where is their confederacy? Show me the solidarity when they won't directly benifit as a result. We do that shit all day long.

What's stopping them from coordinating outside of government? I can't take this seriously. I guess you never heard about the Black Panther Party. Please, be better stewards of history.
I made the comment regarding working outside govt because eventually these folk will say black folks are dependent on the government and welfare or just looking for free stuff and we need to get off the dem plantation. Then they list a bunch of stuff we "should" be doing that is either already proposed or being done, just an idea and not a plan, something the GOP blocked, something dems don"t have the votes to pass by themselves, or something that doesn't equate as a reason to forego voting regardless. I'm not speaking of militant or political groups like the Black panthers.

I've commented on much of this in the past so I will just quote myself below. I'll only add that black folks aren't hive minded with the same goals and agendas. I think most of us are practical and don't have the luxury of being single issue voters. Healthcare is my highest priority. One party wants to make it accessible to all and one wants to make it as worthless and expensive as possible. When dems piss me off, voting GOP is not an option as they are openly trying to legislate discrimination and criminalize our history. I care about clean air, clean water, environmental protections. Living wages. One party wants to solve those issues and one wants to pretend they don't exist. It's a clear choice.

Different pots of money. When states do get money there is no guarantee they are going to do the right thing with it. There are blue cities in red states being purposely sabotaged. It's not one single entity running all things. Each city and state has different law'sand cultures. Voting dem doesn't mean everything is rosy. It doesn't mean everyone is 100% in agreement. You still have people who are antiblack, anti woman, anti gay, anti immigrant, pro police over citizens. Not everyone is of one like mind or a hive. However, in general, dem policies will be more beneficial that GOP policies.

I don't understand the issue tho. If you think the parties are trash and work needs to be done without them, what is stopping the work from still getting done? Work as tho they don't exist. No one is stopping you or anyone else. Stop wasting time and stop focusing on stopping people from voting. Or tell them to vote and still seek solutions that don't involve government entities. Y'all making a conflict when there doesn't have to be one. It doesn't have to be either/or, it can be both/and. Black folks have always worked outside the system as it sought to change and influence the existing one. It's a bunch of new kneegrows mimicking GOP talking points that don't know or do better. In the past the work was done primarily though black churches or church affiliated people, but many want to reject the church, too. What is stopping you from organizing or forming your own coalition to make change? Voting takes place once or twice a year, what are you advocating the for the rest of the year?

Regardless, I still have to pay taxes and live under laws that are passed, so I want a say in who is making the laws and deciding how money is spent and my city/state/country governed.

Since you didn't quote me I'm going to assume you don't want a reply, but I'm going to respond anyway.

1) I don't consider Candace Owens to come under number 1. "New Black" was a term used by Pharrell Williams. He basically said that New Blacks don't blame other races for the condition of the Black race (I have a slight issue with the word blame, because it sounds as like Black people aren't seeking to do well, but the condition of the Black community in several instances are a direct result of polices and practices of white people/white supremacy), that it's our own mentality that determines how well we do. So don't mind the fact that the bank won't loan to Black people or that your neighborhood has been redlined, or that the police are stopping Black men, planting evidence causing them to be taken from their families, that you are the last hired and first fired, that jealous white people came in and burned down your whole town when some Black folks decided to separate and build their own, or killed Black store owners who opened up shop and did better than them ---- if you just have the right mentality, then you would overcome all that.

2) Yes everyone wants to be liked and respected, but if that like and respect only comes at the expense of others, then its an issue. Why do I have to tear you down to celebrate me? That's adopting white supremacist ideology. White power and Black power are two totally different things. Black power is about celebrating Black excellence, being Black and proud, showing that Black is not inferior or something to be ashamed of. White power says white people are better than Black people, that not only are they better but Black people need to be held down, robbed of rights, targeted for death, hatred, terrorism and treated like second class citizens. FBA is following the WS playbook. If all we are going to do is imitate our oppressors, then we are no better than they are and deserve the same karma they deserve. If a white man said about black people what FBA has been saying about black immigrants, they would have been doxxed and their job/business targeted for boycott. I don't even understand how other Black peoples come into a topic about reparations on a daily basis. Its for descendants of Black people who were enslaved in America. If that is your focus, then all that extra is just to stir up controversy. When I was growing up seeing another black face in the crowd was to see an oasis in the desert. Blackness was the common bond. There is an agenda out to ensure there is no brotherly/sisterly bond and that we distrust each other. No not every individual will be friendly or have a good opinion of us, but this is true of American Black folk regarding American Black folks also.

3) It seems to me you misunderstood. This is in regards to topical education, not formal education. For example, we have a lot of people saying things like, "dems have control of the house and the senate, why isn't xyz getting done." This is a framed as the dems NOT WANTING to do or pass xyz or breaking promises to voters. If they were actually educated about how government works, or took the time to find out for themselves, then they would know most things take 60 votes because of Senate rules, and the GOP isn't going to provide the additional votes. Since they are not educated about how the process works, then they are easy targets for people who are either also uneducated or just using them to stir up anger and grievances for their own agenda. I'm not sure why you think this relates to white schools or education. It would be nice if civics were a priority in schools, but it's not, so almost any education that someone has is going to have to be obtained on their own if they didn't grow up in an environment that was politically active.

You numbered this 3 again) This has nothing to do with anything I stated.

4) Again you misunderstood. Black folks have legitimate reasons not to trust the system, but that distrust is being exploited by bad actors. Not everything is a conspiracy.


I don't think its a class based discussion or issue, though class sometimes plays a role. We have far too many seemingly well educated or well off people involved in all of the scenarios I listed. See Ice Cube. Bless his heart. I applaud him for wanting to become active politically, but he doesn't know what he's talking about. If he wants to use his power, platform and presence to benefit black folks, he should learn the basics to speak on them effectively, IMO. Be willing to learn. Also Uncle Luke. I've sat in his spaces and he is for the right things, but some of the things he says let you know that he doesn't know the basics of how things get done. He's holding regular conversations with people who know and are doing the work, tho.

















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I was going to do this later, and I've said most of this elsewhere in the past, but now lets go over non voting as a strategy vs a wing and a prayer, and why just general not voting would not be effective. Also keep in mind, voting is not the be all and end all of everything. There's not one single entity running all things, though the GOP tends to mimic the worst policies they can come up with every place they can. Each city and state has different laws and cultures. Voting dem doesn't mean everything is rosy. It doesn't mean everyone is 100% in agreement. You still have people within the party who are anti Black, anti woman, anti gay, anti immigrant, pro police over citizens. Not everyone is of one like mind or a hive. However, in general, dem policies will be more beneficial to black people and ALL Americans, than GOP policies. I can understand if people don't see voting dem as progress, but the important thing is that we don't lose any progress. You can still vote dem to keep the worst of the GOP at bay AND still organize or do black specific out reach/upliftment via third party/non government outlets.


Regarding non voting: For starters, even though black folks are second in the percentage of us who vote, above Hispanic and Asian and behind white folks, the PERCEPTION is that we don't vote. Obama years 2008 is the first year our voting number was on par with white folks and I think in 2012 we surpassed them percentage wise. Then it dropped again. So the rhetoric is that there is voter apathy or that you can't get black voters to come out on a consistent basis without a black candidate (Which BGOL don't vote crew says is pandering or white libs in blackface). Sitting out is seen as apathy, not punishment, and people will assume black folks are unreliable instead of strategic. So we may get courted, but most likely we just get written off and others sought to replace us as a reliable voting block. Secondly, it's what the GOP wants. Not voting helps white supremacy achieve their goals. They are passing laws to stop black folks from voting. Not Asians. Only Hispanics in the sense that they are using them as a boogeyman to say dems have illegals voting for them, but they are just collateral damage, not the primary target. Not voting helps racists achieve THEIR goals.

Not voting is not strategic. Voting for a third party who can't win is not strategic. Voting is currency. In order to get something, you have to spend/invest it in a candidate. It can't be banked to grow interest. Holding it does nothing but leave it for the moths to eat. To send a message, you don't SIT OUT, you spend your money elsewhere (cast your vote for another or back your own candidate.) Now don't get happy and say that is what you are suggesting, so I just agreed with you. The problem is, the non voting/third party voting as strategy advocates aren't following the concept fully or at the right times.

We are past the days when sane republicans existed, so WHEN you do this matters, so as not to concede power to the GOP. The Tea Party gave us the blue print for this years ago, and they still have members in congress making headaches for the GOP and the rest of us under the name of the Freedom Caucus, but we aren't as engaged/committed or organized as they are. When they had a candidate that they wanted to put pressure on, they gave them notice. (Giving notice is telling the candidate directly, not fussing and moaning on twitter and other social media.) Then if they didn't comply with whatever demand they had, the Tea Party primaried them with their own candidate to make them work for it, BUT IF THEIR CANDIDATE LOST, THEY STILL VOTED FOR THE GOP CANDIDATE IN THE GENERAL. They didn't sit out or let a dem gain power. Many times they won and unseated the establishment candidate. AND THEY HAD THE GROUND GAME/ORGANIZATION/CONSENSUS OF OTHER VOTERS ALL ON THE SAME PAGE, SO IT WASN'T AN EMPTY THREAT.

So vet the nominee, get their promises and commitments. Monitor for progress, keep the pressure on, and if they don't keep their commitments or show no evidence of trying to bring them to pass, then primary them and pull support. Set an example so the next candidate doesn't make the same mistake. But, if they win the primary anyway, vote for them to maintain dems in power and primary them again next cycle. We stop at the first step and then complain. It has to start EARLY and we have to get qualified candidates ready to primary EARLY. I've said before, candidates don't have to be our friends to work our agenda. They don't have to like us or we them. If they won't do the right thing because it is right, then they can be forced to do the right thing, because it is in their interest and benefits them to do so. (Keeping their job). You should know by the end of the first year whether or not someone is trying to keep their promises. Sitting out, especially midterms when all the racists vote, isn't the answer. That's how all the crazy candidates get elected.

Now the above scenario is how it would work, AS STRATEGY, in an ideal world. The REALITY is we don't PRESENTLY have the organization to pull this off to where the candidate is getting the message and able to notice and measure the effects (votes going for the other candidate in great numbers, having a candidate to primary them to begin with). So just telling people to sit out and not vote isn't going to have the intended effect that you want it to have. Ideally, we would also be able to get white voters or other PoC on board, as black folks are a subset of dem voters, and unless they are in an area with a significant black population, even an organized campaign of non voting or third party would not necessarily be NOTICED.

IF IT'S NOT NOTICED, RECOGNIZED BY OTHERS/THE INTENDED TARGET AS STRATEGY IN AN ORGANIZED EFFORT, AND MEASURABLE, IT WON'T HAVE THE INTENDED EFFECT.



Furthermore, everyone wants to complain about what other groups get, but we don't act and organize like other groups. Other groups court both dems and GOP. THEY GIVE MONEY to candidates and superpacs. They apply pressure year round, not only during campaign season. They have publicized scorecards for how they vote on their issues. They write letters to candidates and show up at town halls. They lobby year round. But they don't give up voting because that gives up power. Voting is just a step in the process, not the only step or action taken. I've shared before that I was looking for a black superpac and couldn't find one to give to. I found one mention of one and couldn't figure out how to donate. The closest thing to one is color of change, but they aren't really a superpac and deal with various issues. Someone gave me black Americas political action comittee, but that is for black conservatives. bampac.org.

In the current political atmosphere, we don't have the luxury of sitting out like we did before. With the gutting of the voting rights act, when the GOP gets in power, they craft and execute ways to diminish our vote, gerrymander areas, and will pay little to no penalty for it. If we sit out and the GOP gains control, by the time people decide to get back in the game, then they have to have 3-4x the dem vote to equal the political power of 1x the GOP vote. We saw this with Obama and the midterms. Dems lost and it took until Trump to get a majority in congress again and that didn't last long. A DECADE of progress lost because (primarily white) dems sat out.

IN GA 50,000 majority black registrations were held by Kemp. If you mom named you De'Asia and someone entered the name as De Asia or DeAsia on some public record at some time, you were SOL, and the GOP SoS Kemp had carte blanche to do what he wanted. All the legal actions came too late. HOWEVER, had we voted dem and kept power in states instead of losing governorship's, then our vote wouldn't be diluted or suppressed. Medicaid would be expanded. We wouldn't have had a lawsuit trying to end protections for preexisting conditions and the ACA. We'd have liberals on the Supreme Court so likely still have Roe vs Wade and affirmative action. We wouldn't have had the GOP doing like they did in Ohio exempting white areas from work requirements to get food stamps, while black area's even with higher unemployment rates, still had to be subject to them. Who is in power determines how much we get fucked over. If nothing else, letting them win is letting the racist rhetoric that Trump has popularized win and influence others because they see there are no consequences for it. Why help white supremacy spread? DeSantis is following his racist playbook and trying to expand it, because it worked for Trump. Why shouldn't other white folks be emboldened to do exactly what he did?

Alabama was ordered to redo their maps and they said eff the SCOTUS.



It's being reported that this is planned to get the case back to the SCOTUS to further erode black rights, and we have three justices appointed by Trump instead of Hillary because the no vote/third party votes couldn't discern the danger Trump posed and failed to heed the warnings of those who did.




White folks are playing the long game, actually crafting and passing shady legislation designed to make it to the SCOTUS to erode our rights, pass their agenda, and keep their power consolidated, yet we have folks who just want to punish dems because they aren't moving fast enough on reparations or some ONLY black agenda, when they can't even get main stream agendas like voting rights passed, which would help save their own jobs because THEY DON'T HAVE THE VOTES. Also I'm in a red state, but I'm in the midwest. The don't vote message is probably only going to resonate with black folks in safe blue areas or with people who don't understand how government works. If you get a chance, check out this space, at least the five minutes from about the 58 min mark until Nikki Barnes finishes speaking around 1:03. She lit a user named Koala Masala up.



It's not about a white savior. I vote partly to keep the GOP out of my business and so we don't have a party in power actively putting obstacles in front of black folks. Many don't vote advocates are making a conflict where there doesn't have to be one. Why are the don't vote crew so investing in what someone ELSE has to physically do? Many don't believe in supporting dems or the GOP, but they can't stay out of political threads or stop shitting on dems to save their own lives. If you think all the parties are trash and work needs to be done without them, what is stopping the work from still getting done? Work as though they don't exist. It doesn't have to be either/or, it can be both/and. Black folks have always worked outside the system as it sought to change and influence the existing one. No one is stopping you or anyone else. Why waste time focusing on stopping people from voting?They can vote and still seek solutions that don't involve government entities. Voting is one or two days out of a year. There are still over 360 days for other actions. What plans and actionable steps are you taking during the rest of the year? Check out Sandy Darity's twitter page to see people taking actual steps toward reparations. https://twitter.com/SandyDarity


@sammyjax seriously listen to that same five minutes if not the entire space. I'm convinced some of the speakers were BGOL members. :colin: :colin::colin::colin::colin:.



So you don't have any black friends, family or associates that will benefit from student loan forgiveness, that republicans want to block?

You don't have any black friends, family or associates with children who benefited from the child tax credit that was only not made permanent due to republicans?

You don't have any black family, friends or associates who benefited from the ACA, which republicans wanted to block?

You don't have any black friends, family or associates who benefited from the covid relief checks?

You don't have any black family, friends or associates who receive social security, which the republicans want to privatize?

You don't have any black friends, family or associates on medicare that use insulin that will not have to pay more than $35 per month, which was blocked for the rest of the country with private insurance because of the republicans?

You don't have any black friends, family or associates in red states who have high rates of hospital closures, which even if you are in an area with a hospital may be overwhelmed due to increase traffic from other areas, making it harder to get healthcare thanks to republicans not wanting to expand medicaid?

You don't have any black women in your family or the families of friends or associates who are of childbearing age that could be negatively affected by the overturning of Roe vs Wade should they have an ectopic pregnancy, miscarriage or complications during pregnancy?

You don't have any black family, friends or associates who live in areas that may be prone to flooding, hurricanes, tornadoes who could be affected by some of the building regulations that were overturned during the Trump years or mitigated if climate change regulations could be passed?

You don't have black family, friends or associates who travel who will benefit from the changes made to the airline junk fees and requirements for providing accommodations and notices when planes are canceled?

You don't have any black family, friends or associates with a bank account who would benefit from the elimination of bank junk fees?

You don't have any black family, friends or associates making below 15.00 per hour that could benefit from a minimum wage increase?

You don't have any black family, friends or associates who live in areas that were redlined and designed with racist policies that will benefit from the infrastructure bill to address this?



You don't have any black friends, family or associates who will benefit from the items on this list:



And you don't think the other black members of this board have black family, friends or associates who are affected/benefit from any of this?

If the answer to all this is NO: do you have any black friends, family or associates?
 

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