You should read the responses in the thread before you open with that kind of a statement...
This Dude Is Supposed To Be Real Hip Hop?
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You should read the responses in the thread before you open with that kind of a statement...
Go listen to Classic and tell me if you think Rakim can go toe to toe with today's hip hop.
matter of fact here it is.
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I'm from the city where Hurricane Chris is from, so me arguing about cities would be pointless.
No surprise man. Lupe to be honest is a product of the "Anti-campaign". Lupe gets his popularity because he is the "Anti-" of whats trendy right now. That new song dumb it down...isnt really saying shit. Well my bad...The verses arent. The Hook actually delivers the best message. If you really LISTEN to the verses instead of just saying "oh he aint talking about guns and cars so its hot"..you'll realize that he's just rhyming words in circles.. Its just like when 50 blew, 50 wasnt saying the illest shit out by a mile but since he was the "Anti-Ja" it was hot. Because he wasnt singing and talking about bitches all the time..it was hot no matter what...Same thing with DMX he was spitting simple shit but since he was "Anti-Jiggy" when P.Diddy and Mase were running shit, it was hot..
Most people dont even know the shit he's talking about so they defend it with "you dont understand it"...man please dude is speaking english, last time I checked I read and comprehend that language on a college level. Its almost like when Jay made that line about Nas. "Just because you dont understand it doesnt mean that he's bright"... Lupe has his moments like I love that joint American Terrorist but people have dude with his head in his ass.. People associate things they dont understand with intelligence for some reason
Like cats really compare him to Talib...Talib would rhyme backwards circles around this dude. Anyways tho, as far as ATCQ shit I didnt grow up on them but I was very aware of the style of their music. Lupe is right Hammer was more popular. But to say nobody will fuck with with Q-Tip is dumb...
But to be honest you cant fault dude for feeling he has the audacity to say that... look who he chills with.
Most people dont even know the shit he's talking about so they defend it with "you dont understand it"...man please dude is speaking english, last time I checked I read and comprehend that language on a college level. Its almost like when Jay made that line about Nas. "Just because you dont understand it doesnt mean that he's bright"... Lupe has his moments like I love that joint American Terrorist but people have dude with his head in his ass.. People associate things they dont understand with intelligence for some reason
Like cats really compare him to Talib...Talib would rhyme backwards circles around this dude. Anyways tho, as far as ATCQ shit I didnt grow up on them but I was very aware of the style of their music. Lupe is right Hammer was more popular. But to say nobody will fuck with with Q-Tip is dumb...
But to be honest you cant fault dude for feeling he has the audacity to say that... look who he chills with.
I see you didnt thoroughly read my post. You're assuming Im agreeing with Lupe's demeanor or actions, and I never said that. I said that his feelings aren't wrong, just different or very unpopular. No matter the case, I was agreeing to some points made by the person I quoted, not Lupe himself. I doubt that most of you have heard ALL of, or even want to hear every single album that people thought were Hip Hop classics. Thats what bothers me, people are always lynched for having a different opinion. Just because he failed to have an inkling of interest in listening to ATCQ (though it would've made sense to listen for preparation of his set) doesnt mean he (or I, for that fact) doesnt understand the creation or the creativity. There are so many more parts of important hip hop history as well.
The realest words you ever wrote....
so because this dude didn't listen to a certain record of a certain hiphop genre that he is now apart of he is deemed wack???
lemme tell you something: when i was 18 i met this dude that wante d me to take him under my wing and teaching the skill of mcing. I was rapping then... Dude didn't know who black moon was and i thought it was sacrilege, i would get mad at him for not knowing who pharoah monch was. I look back at it now and its bitch shit. STFU. The only problem i had w/ lupe was the fact he said he has no interest in listening to the album. Like why would you disrespect a group like that???
lemme tell you something: when i was 18 i met this dude that wante d me to take him under my wing and teaching the skill of mcing. I was rapping then... Dude didn't know who black moon was and i thought it was sacrilege, i would get mad at him for not knowing who pharoah monch was. I look back at it now and its bitch shit. STFU. The only problem i had w/ lupe was the fact he said he has no interest in listening to the album. Like why would you disrespect a group like that???
It's the truth. Thanks
That's most people's problem with him too. The other kats are just hating just to be hating.
You make a good point
I dont see how his age has anything to do with it considering NWA and Hammer were in their prime in the early 90's also.
You countered you original argument in your own post. It's not about Lupe being wack because he hasn't listened to "Midnight Marauders." It's not about Lupe being wack at all. It's about the fact that he won't recognize a great hip hop group for what they were and what they contributed.
If it wasn't for A Tribe Called Quest the sub genre Lupe's a part of today (call it "backpack" if you will) may not even exist.
It's Lupe's ignorance in fucking up the lines to a classic Tribe song and then claiming it doesn't matter because he doesn't really like listening to Tribe anyway.
First of All, I grew up on every type of music. whether it was down south (im from florida) or it was West coast or east coast. But honestly ya'll, I find that hard to believe that some of ya'll never heard of ATCQ? In My Opinion and this is my opinion, they (ATCQ) are up there as far as greatest groups. Outkast, Run DMC, EPMD, UGK, etc. And as far as Lupe's concern, what a straight bitch. how did he accept a request and did not know any history of this group. now this is a big problem in hip hop. these dudes are making records and have no clue of what these groups before them laid down...it's a damn shame and they need they ass whooped for it... 
i was born in 82, i remember every tribe album that came out...............i was young but i remember every one......i had older cousins, uncles and people of that nature who put me on to them.....i feel sorry for ya'll, because just like straight outta compton and albums like that, they had great albums as well....midnite marauders to me was one of the greatest hip hop albums ever...
(To steal a line from Funk Flex...) BE CLEAR. Lupe's not in hip-hop hot water because he wasn't hip to ATCQ. It's his arrogance that has peeps hating on him. I could care less that he didn't grow up listening to ATCQ. I could care less that he doesn't want to listen to them now. But to take such an arrogant and big-headed stance is ridiculous!
First, instead of Lupe just saying, "Look...I fucked up. I wish I hadn't, but I did..so my bad..." and just keep it moving, the dude goes on a defensive tirade and then caps it off by promoting his next album. Bad move.
Second, he lies and says Q-Tip came looking for him to do the tribute. As if to say he was doing them a favor by showing up to do it. This dude can't be serious.
Then to top all off, dudes says publicly that he still wont go back and listen to the MM album, which is his right. But after all this, to say that publicly is not only ludicrous, it's the ultimate form of disrespect to ATCQ.
So, even though he never thought much of ATCQ, he still accepted a gig to praise them. Then instead of just saying he fucked up and letting it go, he tries to justify why he wasn't a fan and didn't listen to the music. THEN says he won't even bother to go back and have a listen. That's some hoe ass shit, my people. That shit is disrespectful and arrogant beyond words.
And for those that didn't want to read all of that, here's Lupe's stance in a nutshell, just to show how fucked up he sounds:
"Yeah, I fucked up some lines during the tribute. So what? Shit happens. I didn't come looking for y'all. Y'all came looking for me. And by the way...I never listened to your music and I don't think enough of y'all to even go back and listen to your shit. Fuck you and everybody that likes you."
Naw, nigga. Fuck you.
First, instead of Lupe just saying, "Look...I fucked up. I wish I hadn't, but I did..so my bad..." and just keep it moving, the dude goes on a defensive tirade and then caps it off by promoting his next album. Bad move.
Second, he lies and says Q-Tip came looking for him to do the tribute. As if to say he was doing them a favor by showing up to do it. This dude can't be serious.
Then to top all off, dudes says publicly that he still wont go back and listen to the MM album, which is his right. But after all this, to say that publicly is not only ludicrous, it's the ultimate form of disrespect to ATCQ.
So, even though he never thought much of ATCQ, he still accepted a gig to praise them. Then instead of just saying he fucked up and letting it go, he tries to justify why he wasn't a fan and didn't listen to the music. THEN says he won't even bother to go back and have a listen. That's some hoe ass shit, my people. That shit is disrespectful and arrogant beyond words.
And for those that didn't want to read all of that, here's Lupe's stance in a nutshell, just to show how fucked up he sounds:
"Yeah, I fucked up some lines during the tribute. So what? Shit happens. I didn't come looking for y'all. Y'all came looking for me. And by the way...I never listened to your music and I don't think enough of y'all to even go back and listen to your shit. Fuck you and everybody that likes you."
Naw, nigga. Fuck you.
Mufucka, what the fuck is your problem you bitch ass deaf, dumb and blind, inbred, impotent son of a fuck?
Common is and has always been one of the greatest lyricist in hip hop since he dropped in '92. Common respects the game, those that came before him, and his contemporaries that are on some real shit. Common has led an entire career refusing to compromise his music for money which is why he has never had great album sales. This cat is a master of all the hip hop styles including storytelling, freestyling, AND battle rappin'. (see "the bitch in yoo" (Ice cube dis), which Common performed for the first time live in Cali, when Ice Cube still had credibility and could've had Common killed behind it.) You fuckin' idiot! You have obviously not listened to any of Common's albums circa 2000. Go fuckin' kill yourself you unintelligible bitch.
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Publicity stunt
i dont want to get into the topic like that cause well.. its stupid what lupe said
but i came in to say
could you please remove that pic?
ok...i just peeped the video on youtube. before, i thought he missed the WHOLE PHIFE verse...now that i see it, he only mixed up a few words. he coulda easily covered his ass just by saying damn im sorry i slipped up. i am a huge lupe fan but he didnt have to go and trash ATCQ's contribution in hiphop. im still looking for the release of his "the cool" cd. hes an ill artist.
Like it or not HipHop started in NY. That's where it started, bottom line point blank period. Nobody's taking anything away from down south artists but it sounds to me like niggas is tryna rewrite the bible or some shit. Everyone is entitled to like who they like but STOP DENYING THE FACTS. "Christopher Columbus didn't discover America"!
No, he's an overrated rapper who says a lot of nothing that people are enamored with for no reason at all
He couldn't hold Phife or Tip's jock strap
And anyone in to hip hop, hip hop not that Solja Boy bullshit should feel offended.
Yeah he didn't have to say the shit he said, that was wrong.No, he's an overrated rapper who says a lot of nothing that people are enamored with for no reason at all
He couldn't hold Phife or Tip's jock strap
And anyone in to hip hop, hip hop not that Souljah Boy bullshit should feel offended.
this is a true example of what happens when u get cosigned by Jay-z.
u think ure just as big and important as he is. (ala Memphis Bleek)
the kid Lupe beats lil wayne as the most overrated rapper of this generation.
i saw dude when he first performed in vegas,
and his show was wack as shit.
the best thing about that show was the steak and egg breakfast i had afterwards.
he was irrelevent then,
and he's irrelevent now.
i think his flippant attitude has to do less with not caring about Tribe,
and more with realizing his "career" is coming to a devastating end.
wonder how those european promoters (who see ATCQ as gods) are gonna feel when Ms. Fiasco wants to go get some of that overseas paper?
oh geah,
he sucks as a skater too.
www.rkellyisguilty.com
u think ure just as big and important as he is. (ala Memphis Bleek)
the kid Lupe beats lil wayne as the most overrated rapper of this generation.
i saw dude when he first performed in vegas,
and his show was wack as shit.
the best thing about that show was the steak and egg breakfast i had afterwards.
he was irrelevent then,
and he's irrelevent now.
i think his flippant attitude has to do less with not caring about Tribe,
and more with realizing his "career" is coming to a devastating end.
wonder how those european promoters (who see ATCQ as gods) are gonna feel when Ms. Fiasco wants to go get some of that overseas paper?
oh geah,
he sucks as a skater too.
www.rkellyisguilty.com
Isn't this kinda like some arrogant NBA rookie mothafucka saying he never watched Michael Jordon or Magic Johnson?
In other words he didnt study the game.
Floyd Mayweather said he was better than BOTH Sugar Rays
These young stupid muthafux
That's overrating Tribe isn't it??? The difference is that there is only 1 NBA and Magic and Mike were the stars in it. Tribe was never the biggest group in New York. P.E. was a hell of a lot bigger than them. Snoop, Dre, 2pac, Biggie, Nas, Puffy, Jay, DMX, 50, Ja Rule, and a ton of people after them all became bigger stars than them. Now, compare 2pac or Biggie or Jay with Jordan or Magic, because they are probably the two most famous guys to ever do what they do, but A Tribe Called Quest was most popular with those East Coast Elitists, White College Kids, and Back Packers.
There are a few things that bothered me as I read the original post and the comments that followed.
#1 Lupe (who is my favorite rapper as of now) loses lots of respect from me by his unwillingness to give ATCQ a listen. I mean, there were many artists who I didn't "grow up on," but when I got older, I wanted to get the full hip-hop/rap experience. I didn't grow up on Jeru the Damaja, BDP, and Wu-Tang, but I gave them a listen to after I got older and was glad I did.
#2 His lack of humility stinks!
#3 freak_1 including the Hot Boyz in the list of ringtone rappers is ridiculous. I mean I was feeling your post up to that point.
#4 Chicago has the rap game in a choke hold.
Common's last two albums, BE (2005)and Finding Forever (2007)
Kanye's last two albums, Late Registration (2005) and Graduate (2007)
Lupe's album, Food & Liquor (2006)
No other city can match album for album in the last two years!
#5 So many people base their opinions of the artists music on the artists themselves. This is where things get out of hand. Respect the music for what it is. I honestly don;t know how many of the rappers I listen to, that I'd kick it with. But it is what it is.
He was right, y'all are the ones that stink. Crucifying the dude, when all he fucked up was a few words. Busta Rhymes fucked up his own verse that he wrote more than Lupe fucked up Q-Tip's verse. I don't blame the cat at all. After hearin' people crucify me over some bullshit, I might just say, "Fuck you elitists, and no, I'm not gonna listen to it, just because y'all are being assholes." If before this happened, you were to ask him if he wanted to hear it, he probably would've said, "Yeah", but I'm with Lupe, I dont' want to listen to it either, because y'all are so busy suckin' their dicks.
When did he disrespect anybody, other than Hip-Hop elitists??? He didn't say fuck them, he said fuck y'all, and I'm with him. Y'all need to grow the fuck up and watch the show, because if you did, you'll see that it wasn't that big of a deal. Niggaz are just on some "gotcha" shit, because he's a "conscious" rapper. They just wanna say, "See, he aint that smart or better than the rest of them".
No it's not. A few years ago Avril Lavigne mispronounced David Bowie's name at like the Grammy's and everybody crucified her, then what did she say????? "I didn't know who he was, I didn't listen to his music growing up." It's a generational thing, not a Black thing. Stop trying to diss Black folks. A Tribe Called Quest wasn't hot in Chicago and on Chicago radio. I know this for a fact, because I grew up listening to Chicago radio.
He never said any of that, that's your Hip-Hop elitist view of it. After listenin' to y'all, I don't want to hear it either, and I actually kinda like Tribe before this. People fuck up words all the time. Jessica Simpson just did a few months ago in a tribute to Dolly Parton or some white country heifer. People talked about it for a few days, but nobody wanted to stone the bitch.
I'm just sorry that Lupe didn't see who his audience was earlier. A bunch of elitist snobs who are every bit as bad as Souljah Boy or 50 Cent fans. Now, I don't know who he's gonna sell to, but I'm kinda hopin' he does an anti-hero thing now, where he just goes at everybody or something, but yeah, fuck those nerds.
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Kids these days...trying to fill big britches....this is like me talkin shit about Coltrane or Nile rogers in 1992..yeah right..I wasn't and ain't that dumb....
HEY YOUNG BUCKS...
LET ME BUST A NUT INSIDE YOUR EYE, TO SHOW YOU WHERE I CAME FROM!!!!(TRIBE)
HEY YOUNG BUCKS...
LET ME BUST A NUT INSIDE YOUR EYE, TO SHOW YOU WHERE I CAME FROM!!!!(TRIBE)
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I am not reading past this this is the most or one of the better
ways to sum up this fucking thread
the point is alot of these youngdumbfucks don't know about lyrics
and what it takes to preserve the artform
i dig tribe and i dig t.i but the truth is there is a difference in delivery and interpretation.
yeah one could argue that what is sweet to me may not be sweet to you but gotdamn respect that there was somebody you listened too to formulate your stlye from
lupe know that he was inspired by tribe to some degree he knows more than he may care to say becuase he looks like a retard sayin some of the shit he said then turn around and kick it wit pharrell who clearly is influenced by the afore mentioned artists
soap box crushed
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Kids these days...trying to fill big britches....this is like me talkin shit about Coltrane, Nile rogers in 1992..yeah right..I wasn't and ain't that dumb....
HEY YOUNG BUCKS...
LET ME BUST A NUT INSIDE YOUR EYE, TO SHOW YOU WHERE I (TRIBE) CAME FROM!!!!
ditto dammit fucking ditto
What?
That's not only an unfair generalization of the black race, but of the show's performers, who, with the excepton of Lupe, T-Pain,etc. were good.
C'mon now.
You're too old for that shit...
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SO ESSENTIALLY THE KIDS ARE REFLECTING WHAT THEY LEARNED FROM THE PARENTS. BAD ASS KIDS!
He never said any of that, that's your Hip-Hop elitist view of it. After listenin' to y'all, I don't want to hear it either, and I actually kinda like Tribe before this. People fuck up words all the time. Jessica Simpson just did a few months ago in a tribute to Dolly Parton or some white country heifer. People talked about it for a few days, but nobody wanted to stone the bitch.
I'm just sorry that Lupe didn't see who his audience was earlier. A bunch of elitist snobs who are every bit as bad as Souljah Boy or 50 Cent fans. Now, I don't know who he's gonna sell to, but I'm kinda hopin' he does an anti-hero thing now, where he just goes at everybody or something, but yeah, fuck those nerds.
You're missing the entire point. This is not about some elitist view of hip hop. I spend a good bit time defending alot of the rappers that get skewered on this board because I defend their right to make the kind of music they want to make. I'm far from an elitist.
The point is that Lupe should have just said, "I fucked up. My bad," and then left the shit alone. But he wants to run his mouth and disrespect a group that he just onstage giving a tribute to. You can defend his right to not be a fan of ATCQ, but is no defense for the arrogance and outright disrespect of the group.
The reason why Jessica Simpson was left alone after her fuck up is because she apologized and didn't try to make any excuse for it. That's not what happened here. And while I think it's pretty stupid to not want to listen (not become a fan of, but just listen) to a groundbreaking group that paved the way for the kind of music he's doing...that's totally his right.
Are you fucking serious that album was a classic you must be a young head.... wanna dance huh nigga?
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