i must have completely missed her... i saw her name in the credits and was like huh?
but i saw the chick from chewing gum for a split second lol
Star Wars The Last Jedi (SPOILER Discussion thread)
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but i saw the chick from chewing gum for a split second lol
Why would you be pissed?
That's the same fate as obi wan.
needs a better send off.. he's luke!.. have him killed by ben... So ben can complete his transformation into the new Vader
But this movie is doing something different... There shall be no new Vader.
She's a fuckinr CGI alien with telescopes for glasses
She had literally 30 seconds of time.
Smh
I was already a Bobby fan.... but now I'm even more so. He saw the movie exactly like how I saw it. Even the exact theory that I had about Leia.
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oh yeah yeah ...i remember now
I agree this film is not for “classic” Star Wars fans.
It’s very millineal ....kill the past mindset of Kylo permeates the film. Kylo kills his father, Snoke, and Luke (all father figures) to do things his way.
Very similar to how young people now refuse to pay dues and accept apprenticeship in many fields ...they kill the past and just create an app.
Yoda says “we are what they grow beyond ...she has everything she needs” Fuck the training of the past just give her the Jedi books (let her do it herself)
That paradigm shift is what many resent. Many of us think mumble rappers should pay homage to the MC’s of the 80s & 90s ....they don’t - Kill the past
hey did you do a stretched out review?
Presently in the set up(with Snoke dead)... there is not great villain. I'm not cool with that. Not that I was super impressed with Snoke but he was powerful and could have showed us something. Kylo-ren is way to emotionally imbalanced... So it's not like we see any great Enemy (that can impress us with their badasssness) to go against. So I'm a bit disappointed in that.
Kinda a few pages back
main reason i keep saying they need vader
Oh Shit... Completely Missed that Rey Stole the Jedi Books... 
its not weak writing if a repetitious pattern of events is established - history repeats itself
Like I posted before -this movie wasn't made with casual fans in mind - it was made giving greater appreciation to the fans familiar with the universe across multiple mediums
movies TV comics novels and games
I don't now why they chose to do that - maybe its a poor choice but its definitely not weak writing.
again just because they wrote this movie with their entire canon as a back drop - doesn't make it weak writing in anyway
that's like saying that Deadwood was weak writing because it depended on history and details only available through other mediums
I have a bad feeling about this...
I'm really curious how the fuck does a janitor know the offensive capabilities and weaknesses of every First Order weapon or system?
not canon ...The force is strong within Luke and Leia. Ren and her other two kids are proof of that. A LOT has occured between episode 6 (ROTJ) and episode 7 (TFA). Following the end of ROTJ, Leia was partially trained by her brother Luke and later by Jedi Master Saba Sebatyne, who declared her a fully trained Knight at the end of the Swarm War.
The movies only touched lightly of her using the force.
he wasn't a master in RoJ either
Ren is still walking the path of Vader - "together - we can rule the galaxy... "
and Rey is still on the path of a jedi
Luke: "I will not be the last jedi"
I had so much hope going into the movie that they were finally breaking the cycle...
theoretically Luke severing himself from the force should have lead him down a path from apathy to embracing light and dark... but then he never had a master on the dark side. even though QuiGon and Yoda embrace light and dark as ghosts - judging from Luke's dialogue he accepted it in theory only not practice - and thats why he failed so utterly with Ben
People are just nitpicking to nitpick.... because the movie wasnt what they expected.
Man it's a good thing.... we didn't have official threads when the Prequel trilogy dropped. Talk about dashed expectations.
I'm not going to lie... that is the one thing in this new trilogy that I'm still trying to understand. I mean he nows alot about these weapons.
Star Wars: The Last Jedi' Delivers Second Largest Opening Ever
by Brad Brevet
December 17, 2017
Star Wars: The Last Jedi delivered on expectations, debuting with the second largest opening weekend of all-time and propelling the box office to the third largest weekend ever based on estimates. In an attempt at counter-programming, Fox's Ferdinand got off to a bit of a slow start against the might of Star Wars as well as the continued strong performance of Pixar's Coco as it fell below Mojo's expectations, though the studio is optimistic when it comes to the film's future.
With an estimated $220 million, Star Wars: The Last Jedi delivered the second largest opening weekend everbehind only Star Wars: The Force Awakens, which debuted with $247.9 million back in 2015. Last Jedi got off to a strong start on Thursday night with the second largest preview gross ever of $45 million and became only the second film to ever gross over $100 million on opening day resulting in the second largest opening day ever, second largest single day, second largest Friday and joins Force Awakens as the fastest films to reach $100 million.
Opening day demographics show the film played to an audience that was 58% male vs. 43% female and of that audience 37% was 25 years old or under. Opening day audiences gave the film an "A" CinemaScore, matching the score for Force Awakens. However, there may be a small glitch in the Force as many are pointing to the RottenTomatoes audience score for Last Jedi, which is currently 56% vs. a 93% score from critics. It is the largest audience-to-critic divide for films in the Star Wars franchise on the site. Additionally, IMDb is showing a down tick in user ratings when compared to user ratings for Force Awakens (8.8/10) and Rogue One (8.3/10) on the Sunday following release with Last Jedi currently holding a 8/10 rating. Just how significant an effect this data has on the film may be difficult to assess given the sheer size of its grosses, but it's definitely worth noting.
That being said, projecting the film's future prospects leads us to compare the multipliers for previous $200+ million openers as well as Rogue One. The breakdown looks like this:
It feels a safe assumption a domestic performance anywhere from $750-830 million is most likely and it will be interesting to see where it ends up, especially considering some of these early responses from moviegoers. Of course, Last Jedi's performance doesn't end at the domestic box office.
Internationally, Last Jedi delivered an estimated $230 million overseas, which is the tenth largest overall international opening of all-time and the fifth largest global debut ever with $450 million. Those figures, however, take into account the fact The Fate of the Furious and Jurassic World also opened in China during their opening weekend. Exclude China grosses and Last Jedi holds the third largest global debut behind Force Awakens and Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows Part 2. Of the markets where the film is already in release, opening weekend performances are as follows:
Last Jedi opens in China on January 5.
It's also worth noting, Last Jedi's opening helped push Disney over the $2 billion mark domestically, joining Warner Bros. as the only two studios to reach that mark in 2017. This is the third consecutive year Disney has reached $2 billion domestically, becoming the first and only studio to have achieved this and given their upcoming slate and pending Fox acquisition it would seem the streak may never end.
Finishing in second is Fox's release of Blue Sky's latest animated feature, Ferdinand, which delivered an estimated $13.3 million from 3,621 locations. This is the lowest opening ever for a Blue Sky release, falling well behind the $21.3 million opening for Ice Age: Collision Course last year before it went on to gross $64 million domestically.
Looking ahead, Ferdinand received an "A" CinemaScore from opening day audiences and the studio is optimistic about the film's future due to K-12 schools yet to be dismissed for end of year holidays and thanks to the film's 54% uptick from Friday to Saturday. By comparison, the film's opening is relatively similar to the $14.2 million opening for Alvin and the Chipmunks: The Road Chip, which attempted to offer some counter-programming when it opened against The Force Awakens back in 2015. The studio was similarly optimistic after Alvin saw 39% growth on Saturday. Road Chip went on to gross just over $85 million.
Internationally, Ferdinand brought in an estimated $6.2 million from 18 markets for a $19.5 million global debut. Ferdinand expands its international reach next weekend when it will add another 44 markets.
Disney and Pixar's Coco finished third with an estimated $9.7 million, pushing the film's gross over $150 million domestically. Coco also added another $27.4 million internationally this weekend pushing its global cume just shy of $450 million with openings set for Australia and Italy in the coming weeks and releases in Brazil, Korea, UK and Japan in 2018.
Lionsgate's Wonder continued its strong performance, grossing an estimated $5.4 million this weekend bringing its domestic gross just shy of $110 million. The film also added another $9.4 million internationally this weekend as it crossed the $150 million mark globally.
Rounding out the top five is Warner Bros. and DC Comics' Justice League, which pulled in an estimated $4.1 million as its domestic cume is now just shy of $220 million. Additionally, the film added an estimated $5.3 million from 65 markets this weekend, pushing its international cume to $414.5 million for a global tally north of $634 million.
Elsewhere in the top ten, A24's The Disaster Artist suffered a steep drop, delivering just $2.6 million this weekend from 1,010 locations (+170). The 59% drop is far more than expected after its strong expansion last weekend. The film's domestic cume now totals $12.9 million.
Just outside the top ten, Fox Searchlight's release of The Shape of Water expanded to 158 theaters (+117) this weekend and brought in an estimated $1.7 million for a $11,000 per theater average. The film's domestic gross now stands at $3.6 million after three weeks in limited release with the stage set for the film's upcoming expansion into ~750 theaters next weekend.
In limited release, GKIDS' Birdboy opened with $5,684 from four theaters ($1,421 PTA) and A24's The Ballad of Lefty Brown brought in an estimated $6,115 from two theaters ($3,058 PTA).
Also notable is Sony Classics' expansion of Call Me By Your Name into 30 theaters (+21) where it grossed $491,933 for a $16,398 per theater average and Neon's I, Tonya, only added one theater and still brought in $176,189 from five locations for a $35,238 average.
Taking a look at the bigger picture, heading into the weekend 2017 was pacing 4.2% behind 2016, but with this weekend's grosses the year is now just 3% behind last year as of December 17. Additionally, December is shaping up to be huge as it is now 30.5% ahead of last year with the largest December gross to date ever, though do remember Force Awakens was a December 18 release so these grosses will start to be a bit more comparable by the end of the week.
Next week sees several new releases beginning on Wednesday with Fox's The Greatest Showman opening in 3,100 theaters and Sony will release Jumanji: Welcome to the Jungle into 3,600 locations. Following that, Friday sees three new wide releases including Paramount's release of Alexander Payne's Downsizing into ~2,500 theaters, Warner Bros. will release the comedy Father Figures into 2,800+ locations and Universal closes out the Pitch Perfect trilogy with Pitch Perfect 3 opening in 3,400 locations. In all we're talking about seven new wide releases in the span of just seven days, accounting for over 23,000 theaters.
You can check out all of this weekend's estimated results right here and we'll be updating our charts with weekend actuals on Monday afternoon.
Discuss this story with fellow Box Office Mojo fans on Facebook. On Twitter, follow us at @boxofficemojo.
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/news/?id=4354
by Brad Brevet
December 17, 2017
Star Wars: The Last Jedi delivered on expectations, debuting with the second largest opening weekend of all-time and propelling the box office to the third largest weekend ever based on estimates. In an attempt at counter-programming, Fox's Ferdinand got off to a bit of a slow start against the might of Star Wars as well as the continued strong performance of Pixar's Coco as it fell below Mojo's expectations, though the studio is optimistic when it comes to the film's future.
With an estimated $220 million, Star Wars: The Last Jedi delivered the second largest opening weekend everbehind only Star Wars: The Force Awakens, which debuted with $247.9 million back in 2015. Last Jedi got off to a strong start on Thursday night with the second largest preview gross ever of $45 million and became only the second film to ever gross over $100 million on opening day resulting in the second largest opening day ever, second largest single day, second largest Friday and joins Force Awakens as the fastest films to reach $100 million.
Opening day demographics show the film played to an audience that was 58% male vs. 43% female and of that audience 37% was 25 years old or under. Opening day audiences gave the film an "A" CinemaScore, matching the score for Force Awakens. However, there may be a small glitch in the Force as many are pointing to the RottenTomatoes audience score for Last Jedi, which is currently 56% vs. a 93% score from critics. It is the largest audience-to-critic divide for films in the Star Wars franchise on the site. Additionally, IMDb is showing a down tick in user ratings when compared to user ratings for Force Awakens (8.8/10) and Rogue One (8.3/10) on the Sunday following release with Last Jedi currently holding a 8/10 rating. Just how significant an effect this data has on the film may be difficult to assess given the sheer size of its grosses, but it's definitely worth noting.
That being said, projecting the film's future prospects leads us to compare the multipliers for previous $200+ million openers as well as Rogue One. The breakdown looks like this:
- Force Awakens (3.8x multiplier) - $831.2 M
- Rogue One (3.4x multiplier) - $755.11 M
- Jurassic World (3.1x multiplier) - $687.38 M
- Avengers (3x multiplier) - $661.25 M
It feels a safe assumption a domestic performance anywhere from $750-830 million is most likely and it will be interesting to see where it ends up, especially considering some of these early responses from moviegoers. Of course, Last Jedi's performance doesn't end at the domestic box office.
Internationally, Last Jedi delivered an estimated $230 million overseas, which is the tenth largest overall international opening of all-time and the fifth largest global debut ever with $450 million. Those figures, however, take into account the fact The Fate of the Furious and Jurassic World also opened in China during their opening weekend. Exclude China grosses and Last Jedi holds the third largest global debut behind Force Awakens and Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows Part 2. Of the markets where the film is already in release, opening weekend performances are as follows:
- UK - $36.7 M (3rd largest ever)
- Germany - $23.6 M (2nd largest ever)
- France - $18.1 M
- Australia - $15.9 M (2nd largest ever)
- Japan - $14.4 M
- Russia - $8.5 M
- Spain - $8.3 M
- Brazil - $7.2 M
- Italy - $7.0 M
- Mexico - $7.0 M
- Sweden - $6.0 M (2nd largest ever)
- Korea - $5.1 M
Last Jedi opens in China on January 5.
It's also worth noting, Last Jedi's opening helped push Disney over the $2 billion mark domestically, joining Warner Bros. as the only two studios to reach that mark in 2017. This is the third consecutive year Disney has reached $2 billion domestically, becoming the first and only studio to have achieved this and given their upcoming slate and pending Fox acquisition it would seem the streak may never end.
Finishing in second is Fox's release of Blue Sky's latest animated feature, Ferdinand, which delivered an estimated $13.3 million from 3,621 locations. This is the lowest opening ever for a Blue Sky release, falling well behind the $21.3 million opening for Ice Age: Collision Course last year before it went on to gross $64 million domestically.
Looking ahead, Ferdinand received an "A" CinemaScore from opening day audiences and the studio is optimistic about the film's future due to K-12 schools yet to be dismissed for end of year holidays and thanks to the film's 54% uptick from Friday to Saturday. By comparison, the film's opening is relatively similar to the $14.2 million opening for Alvin and the Chipmunks: The Road Chip, which attempted to offer some counter-programming when it opened against The Force Awakens back in 2015. The studio was similarly optimistic after Alvin saw 39% growth on Saturday. Road Chip went on to gross just over $85 million.
Internationally, Ferdinand brought in an estimated $6.2 million from 18 markets for a $19.5 million global debut. Ferdinand expands its international reach next weekend when it will add another 44 markets.
Disney and Pixar's Coco finished third with an estimated $9.7 million, pushing the film's gross over $150 million domestically. Coco also added another $27.4 million internationally this weekend pushing its global cume just shy of $450 million with openings set for Australia and Italy in the coming weeks and releases in Brazil, Korea, UK and Japan in 2018.
Lionsgate's Wonder continued its strong performance, grossing an estimated $5.4 million this weekend bringing its domestic gross just shy of $110 million. The film also added another $9.4 million internationally this weekend as it crossed the $150 million mark globally.
Rounding out the top five is Warner Bros. and DC Comics' Justice League, which pulled in an estimated $4.1 million as its domestic cume is now just shy of $220 million. Additionally, the film added an estimated $5.3 million from 65 markets this weekend, pushing its international cume to $414.5 million for a global tally north of $634 million.
Elsewhere in the top ten, A24's The Disaster Artist suffered a steep drop, delivering just $2.6 million this weekend from 1,010 locations (+170). The 59% drop is far more than expected after its strong expansion last weekend. The film's domestic cume now totals $12.9 million.
Just outside the top ten, Fox Searchlight's release of The Shape of Water expanded to 158 theaters (+117) this weekend and brought in an estimated $1.7 million for a $11,000 per theater average. The film's domestic gross now stands at $3.6 million after three weeks in limited release with the stage set for the film's upcoming expansion into ~750 theaters next weekend.
In limited release, GKIDS' Birdboy opened with $5,684 from four theaters ($1,421 PTA) and A24's The Ballad of Lefty Brown brought in an estimated $6,115 from two theaters ($3,058 PTA).
Also notable is Sony Classics' expansion of Call Me By Your Name into 30 theaters (+21) where it grossed $491,933 for a $16,398 per theater average and Neon's I, Tonya, only added one theater and still brought in $176,189 from five locations for a $35,238 average.
Taking a look at the bigger picture, heading into the weekend 2017 was pacing 4.2% behind 2016, but with this weekend's grosses the year is now just 3% behind last year as of December 17. Additionally, December is shaping up to be huge as it is now 30.5% ahead of last year with the largest December gross to date ever, though do remember Force Awakens was a December 18 release so these grosses will start to be a bit more comparable by the end of the week.
Next week sees several new releases beginning on Wednesday with Fox's The Greatest Showman opening in 3,100 theaters and Sony will release Jumanji: Welcome to the Jungle into 3,600 locations. Following that, Friday sees three new wide releases including Paramount's release of Alexander Payne's Downsizing into ~2,500 theaters, Warner Bros. will release the comedy Father Figures into 2,800+ locations and Universal closes out the Pitch Perfect trilogy with Pitch Perfect 3 opening in 3,400 locations. In all we're talking about seven new wide releases in the span of just seven days, accounting for over 23,000 theaters.
You can check out all of this weekend's estimated results right here and we'll be updating our charts with weekend actuals on Monday afternoon.
Discuss this story with fellow Box Office Mojo fans on Facebook. On Twitter, follow us at @boxofficemojo.
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/news/?id=4354
Damn Last jedi doesnt open in China until Jan 5..
Umm I don't think that is cannon the kids she was using the force while carrying is the twins Jacen and Jaina, and the youngest anakin.
This was shown in the Thrawn trilogy and dark empire.
I don't know why- but Rian and Kathy decided to make a darker movie tailored directly to fans that have exposure to SW canon outside of the movies.
every power / ability you've seen in this movie is based on established canon in this universe... including force illusions / astral projecting
Everything about the theories on the force in this movie is straight from Lucas' final attempt at explaining the force...
The force has always been the reason jedi and sith were feared fighters - the stronger the connection with the force the easier they can sense / anticipate the future - they feel what you are going to do before you do it
With that being said:
yeah...
you weren't paying attention to other movies nor even this one...
neither Luke Kylo nor Rey has been trained in lightsaber combat... period- its all watered down
this was a sloppy brawl won through power not skill
Vader was toying with Luke in both movies
Palpatine made sure to suppress the knowledge of the force and most martial sciences as far he could- not only an extermination of force wielders but also Mandalorians etc- the Empire created a monopoly on violence... which has lead to even less effective combatants since RoJ
In theory - one of these guys would mop the floor with everyone except Snoke and Luke
Rey demonstrated back in her intro that she is a very competent fighter...
Kylo Ren was severely injured by the same bowcaster that was shown multiple times during the film killing stormtroopers etc knocking them back for 10 to 20 feet
example - If you just got shot by a .40 in lets say your knee or your right side of your gut - then proceeded to fight hand to hand... even a 6 y/o with a broom stick will eventually kick your ass
So stop moaning about Rey v Kylo
Thank you sir for this...
Kats on here needed to see this Knowledge..
Im going to repeat the same thing that I've said multiple times... Its like Kats have never seen star wars.
Ren is still walking the path of Vader - "together - we can rule the galaxy... "
and Rey is still on the path of a jedi
Luke: "I will not be the last jedi"
I had so much hope going into the movie that they were finally breaking the cycle...
theoretically Luke severing himself from the force should have lead him down a path from apathy to embracing light and dark... but then he never had a master on the dark side. even though QuiGon and Yoda embrace light and dark as ghosts - judging from Luke's dialogue he accepted it in theory only not practice - and thats why he failed so utterly with Ben
Yeah but Vader didn't want to take down the Sith Order as well as the Rebellion.
Ren clearly wants to end both paths.
I do agree that Rey is still on path of the jedi.
Man, even if this new movie was made for millenials, the story still sucked. The plotline was stupid or/& boring. Major plot points, many of which were recycled rehashes of original trilogy plots, were done poorly or just abandoned. I'm reading critics praising them for going in a new direction. Ok thats cool. Im ok with bold choices, but you don't have to shit on the original fans to do so?
We didn't tell them to rehash the original story in the new trilogy. They could have started fresh, but they chose to do that. They sold us on the fact that Han, Luke, & Leia would be coming back. They chose to macguffin the fuck out of Luke Skywalker in The Force Awakens, setting up unrealistic expectations that the wait for real Luke screentime would be worth it. Just to kill him off after 5 minutes of fake action in the service of a story that doesn't leave a lot left to care about.
Seriously, these people neutered/wasted 90% of the characters with any interesting potential (Luke, Han, Finn, Snoke, Capt. Phasma, Maz, & Adm. Ackbar)
We didn't tell them to rehash the original story in the new trilogy. They could have started fresh, but they chose to do that. They sold us on the fact that Han, Luke, & Leia would be coming back. They chose to macguffin the fuck out of Luke Skywalker in The Force Awakens, setting up unrealistic expectations that the wait for real Luke screentime would be worth it. Just to kill him off after 5 minutes of fake action in the service of a story that doesn't leave a lot left to care about.
Seriously, these people neutered/wasted 90% of the characters with any interesting potential (Luke, Han, Finn, Snoke, Capt. Phasma, Maz, & Adm. Ackbar)
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Can't wait to go see it again.
What the hell you talking about Luke trained to Two Masters. You can at least assume that they both continued to Train Luke. Being a Skywalker and being the real chosen one he got dealt with by Vader at first. Rey had never held a light sable and beat Kylo who had at least been trained by Snoke.
My point is that they made the Jedi Super Hero's in the Prequels and it just got worst. The Original Trilogy had them as men who used the force to give them a edge. For example if they could run a 4.8 and force allowed them to run a 4.3. If they could leap 6 ft the force allowed them to jump 10 ft not 34 ft. When equally matched it came down to your training. Listen to Count Dooku even mention it when he and Yoda match each other with their Force Abilities. Training and dueling had nothing to do with the force. It was all learned and earned..
Just got back from seeing this shit, and was disappointed...I could write a fucking book on this but Ill keep it as short as possible.
Maybe I need to watch the Force Awakens or read some books but how the fuck did the rebels defeat the Empire, bring order back to the galaxy and X years later they are still a rebel force, the minority of same mofos like they never won?? Ships and equipment is scavenger-like yet the First order which is like the dark/emperer side rebel force trying to rebuild from the ashes of the Empire has the latest tech and seemingly endless funds?
I can see why Mark Hamil was pissed at the treatment of Luke, they totally fucked him up in this movie! This dude was ALREADY the last Jedi, benefiting from the knowledge of Yoda, Obi Wan, and Anakin, so should have been the most powerful Jedi....goes to find the origins of the Jedi, gets the book of the Whills and just says "The Jedi Has to end because the Force doesnt belong to just them"??? WTF? Nobody said it did, Jedi's are simply the collection of RANDOM people that were discovered to be force sensitive and they are trained in an academy, why that means they have to end when LUKE is the last Jedi and can put them in any direction they want is fucking retarded!?!? I THOUGH I was going to see that Luke went to find the book of the Whills and find out that the LIGHT needs the Dark and vice versa and make a new order that doesnt follow the Jedi rules which would be the original name of the Jedi in the Bendu....they touched on that mythology and the source of the force in the Clone Wars cartoon, and thats what I thought this movie was gonna be about!!
They gave no insight into how powerful Rey or Kylo were, nor why they have "such great raw strength"?? They hinted that they had a connection like the force was connecting them but all along it was fucking Snoke showing amazing strength with the darkside only to be shat on by getting killed by Kylo in the dumbest way possible!! Meanwhile luke kills himself pulling of the illest Jedi Mind trick of all time!?!? Fuck outta here they can miss me with this shit is makes no sense and fucked this shit up for real....and all yall talkin about it for the millennials are absolutely right thats exactly how these dumb fuckers think, kill the past let it die...FOH!
Also what the fuck happened to the knights of Ren? The dudes he stole from Lukes temple?? Are they Snokes body guards??
Would have loved to see Kylo try to turn on Snoke but he hems both him and Rey up with his powers and Luke comes in to save the day and a masterful showdown between Snoke and Luke while Rey and Kylo take on the bodyguards. Luke and Snoke battle to a standstill and Rey sneak attacks and kills Snoke...then as they celebrate, Kylo sneak attacks and kills Luke...and that puts a permanent vandetta between Rey and Kylo and they are sworn enemies and the saga continues....shit woulda been way better!
Maybe I need to watch the Force Awakens or read some books but how the fuck did the rebels defeat the Empire, bring order back to the galaxy and X years later they are still a rebel force, the minority of same mofos like they never won?? Ships and equipment is scavenger-like yet the First order which is like the dark/emperer side rebel force trying to rebuild from the ashes of the Empire has the latest tech and seemingly endless funds?
I can see why Mark Hamil was pissed at the treatment of Luke, they totally fucked him up in this movie! This dude was ALREADY the last Jedi, benefiting from the knowledge of Yoda, Obi Wan, and Anakin, so should have been the most powerful Jedi....goes to find the origins of the Jedi, gets the book of the Whills and just says "The Jedi Has to end because the Force doesnt belong to just them"??? WTF? Nobody said it did, Jedi's are simply the collection of RANDOM people that were discovered to be force sensitive and they are trained in an academy, why that means they have to end when LUKE is the last Jedi and can put them in any direction they want is fucking retarded!?!? I THOUGH I was going to see that Luke went to find the book of the Whills and find out that the LIGHT needs the Dark and vice versa and make a new order that doesnt follow the Jedi rules which would be the original name of the Jedi in the Bendu....they touched on that mythology and the source of the force in the Clone Wars cartoon, and thats what I thought this movie was gonna be about!!
They gave no insight into how powerful Rey or Kylo were, nor why they have "such great raw strength"?? They hinted that they had a connection like the force was connecting them but all along it was fucking Snoke showing amazing strength with the darkside only to be shat on by getting killed by Kylo in the dumbest way possible!! Meanwhile luke kills himself pulling of the illest Jedi Mind trick of all time!?!? Fuck outta here they can miss me with this shit is makes no sense and fucked this shit up for real....and all yall talkin about it for the millennials are absolutely right thats exactly how these dumb fuckers think, kill the past let it die...FOH!
Also what the fuck happened to the knights of Ren? The dudes he stole from Lukes temple?? Are they Snokes body guards??
Would have loved to see Kylo try to turn on Snoke but he hems both him and Rey up with his powers and Luke comes in to save the day and a masterful showdown between Snoke and Luke while Rey and Kylo take on the bodyguards. Luke and Snoke battle to a standstill and Rey sneak attacks and kills Snoke...then as they celebrate, Kylo sneak attacks and kills Luke...and that puts a permanent vandetta between Rey and Kylo and they are sworn enemies and the saga continues....shit woulda been way better!
I disagree.
After TFA we were told that snoke wasn't a Sith and that the Sith order had ended.
IMO when Kylo offered for rei to join him he was looking to reestablish the Sith order which goes back to what he said in TFA to the vader mask
im talking about the new "canon" that's out now.
That's considered the legends series I believe
But Ren said they would put an end to the Jedi and Sith together...
As long seeks power he on one of those paths.
Ren desires power because he is scared and feels abandoned and betrayed by all he loved, IMO he is not trying to destroy the First Order.
Vader only wanted to rule when he had someone / something to protect... when he lost everything he hated himself and the emperor- Vader committed to the dark side, followed orders and sought to increase his power. but never thought of destroying the emperor until he found out about Luke
Technically there was no sith order for Vader,
Palpatine really only sought order
not freedom through power-
seeking order is not the sith way.
He tried to destroy the cycle... That's why force wielders weren't the only thing he purged
Palpatine personally also tried to embrace both sides of the force.
As powerful as he was, Vader died while still essentially blind and ignorant of the nature of the force. Ren might be doomed to repeat it if he doesn't embrace the light and the dark.
He might be the one to lead Rey and himself to balance because in this last movie she was written to show its not her
Saw movie Friday night....
My background. Huge star wars fan. Read the books, comics, watched the movies multiple times, played most of the games.
Movie overall was MEH. Solid but nothing special IMO.
Visually movie was STUNNING
They played it high and loose with a TON of the established cannon way the force works.
I do not like the mass reset that they are doing with the franchise. They are trying to make this shit last forever and are setting it up that way.
Way too many callbacks to the old movies. Just be original and keep the spirit of the story.
Things that annoyed me:
Going to get the decoder mission with Finn
All of the damn celebrity cameos
Jokes were horrible and cheesy ( I get that they are trying to market for the kids... but the kids are going to be there either way)
Lack of Finn development
Finn love interest with the asian broad
Luke ( really shouldve had a real lightsaber duel again before killing him off)
Yoda hitting Luke on the head with his cane.
No Lando(shouldve been the decoder)
Leia surviving in the vacuum of space.... force or not
Recycling of super weapons (just lazy)
The series just lacks good villains Maul was best, Vader on Rogue one was epic, even sidious was great
No knights of Ren info. At. All. (rey's vision in the Force awakens was probably a look into the future)
Things I liked:
Movie was fucking beautiful. Most visually stunning movie I have seen in a long while
Kylo and Rey vs the guards was a great fight. Very well choreographed.
Poe's run on the Dreadnaught... Shit was amazing.
Snoke (great look and menacing voice)
Movie gets a 7 out of 10 against all movies
6 out of 10 against other Star Wars flicks
EDIT:
Shouldn't it have been Anakin's Force ghost talking to Luke? Wouldn't that have been more emotional? Some father son time, some discussion about Kylo? Discussion about the path of the Jedi?
Would have been great
My background. Huge star wars fan. Read the books, comics, watched the movies multiple times, played most of the games.
Movie overall was MEH. Solid but nothing special IMO.
Visually movie was STUNNING
They played it high and loose with a TON of the established cannon way the force works.
I do not like the mass reset that they are doing with the franchise. They are trying to make this shit last forever and are setting it up that way.
Way too many callbacks to the old movies. Just be original and keep the spirit of the story.
Things that annoyed me:
Going to get the decoder mission with Finn
All of the damn celebrity cameos
Jokes were horrible and cheesy ( I get that they are trying to market for the kids... but the kids are going to be there either way)
Lack of Finn development
Finn love interest with the asian broad
Luke ( really shouldve had a real lightsaber duel again before killing him off)
Yoda hitting Luke on the head with his cane.
No Lando(shouldve been the decoder)
Leia surviving in the vacuum of space.... force or not
Recycling of super weapons (just lazy)
The series just lacks good villains Maul was best, Vader on Rogue one was epic, even sidious was great
No knights of Ren info. At. All. (rey's vision in the Force awakens was probably a look into the future)
Things I liked:
Movie was fucking beautiful. Most visually stunning movie I have seen in a long while
Kylo and Rey vs the guards was a great fight. Very well choreographed.
Poe's run on the Dreadnaught... Shit was amazing.
Snoke (great look and menacing voice)
Movie gets a 7 out of 10 against all movies
6 out of 10 against other Star Wars flicks
EDIT:
Shouldn't it have been Anakin's Force ghost talking to Luke? Wouldn't that have been more emotional? Some father son time, some discussion about Kylo? Discussion about the path of the Jedi?
Would have been great
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a rose by any other name...
yeah
canon for now is the last two people that had proper lightsaber training that died were Vader and Papatine
In this canon neither Luke nor Kylo got that training
an edge? just a little faster? - man you were not listening or paying attention
Star Wars and the force is not the way you think it is at all
In the very first movie ObiWan's body disappeared and his consciousness continued to talk to Luke.
Vader watched the Death Star blowup a planet and was saying this ain't shit compared to the force...
WTF KIND OF "EDGE" DO YOU THINK THAT IS?
In Empire and RoJ - Vader toyed with Luke and the emperor laughed because even after training with decrepit Yoda, Luke still only had a shadow of an idea of the how powerful the force is....
The prequels took you back to a generation or 2 to show what it was like before the emperor purged the galaxy of force wielders mandalorians and other threats to the "order" of his empire
as for lightsaber combat and dueling - they never explained properly in the movies but just like the force its much more complex than you imagined
Yoda v Dooku -
Yoda was way above Dooku's class in use of the force - Dooku was really talking to himself and Yoda humored him... But you think Yoda was spinning around upside down and fighting Dooku without the force?
you think Dooku was able to match Yoda's speed without tapping into the force?
In Ep3 - just using your eyes no books novelizations etc - you really saw Vader and Kenobi floating over lava only fighting each other with lightsabers?
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You just posted the same videos that I was talking about in my post. ...
That training with the helmet was pretty much all the light saber training that Luke got and her was only on The planet with yoda for about a day.
Luke wasn’t a master in Star Wars, Empire or Return of the Jedi... that was basically the entire point. He was learning... the the first time he used Mind persuasion in Return. No one taught him that shit. He learned it. Luke took on Vader in Empire when he wasn’t ready and hung with him and Vader was way more powerful then Ren.
I’m not watching these films with blinders. I can also point out the flaws in the prequels and the new trilogy... cause I’ll admit the problems but I’m not going to sit up here and say this movie is gawd awful because they did stuff you haven’t seen them do when the force. I mean ... you have Fucking Force Ghosts talking to people and yet “fans” are bitching about the fact that Rey was able to beat a Villian that clearly isn’t the best fighter either because of the force or that it’s a big deal that Leia was able to use the force in this movie.. but not a big deal when she used it in Return to know that Luke was ok and that he was her brother.
If people want to complain.. complain about the Gawd awful Star Wars Christmas special or the Ewok Movies.. or the Cartoon.. from the 70s and 80s... all that shit was Fucking Cannon under Lucas and they were horrible cash grabs. Throw your hate on that shit..
People just need to take off their rose colored glasses and enjoy a movie doing something different with an old franchise. It’s the same shit that people were saying about rebooted Star Trek. Change is good...
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