Star Wars The Last Jedi (SPOILER Discussion thread)

It's starting to look like that the galaxy is finally moving away from both the first order, and the rebellion/resistance. It makes you think about if this war is actually a big thing anymore.

This movie basically told us to let go of past expectations of what Star Wars is known for. This is where I'm still confused to how to feel.

This why I loved this movie because it does make you confused about how you feel...

Eventually the stories about these characters... has to end. Something has to break this cycle between both sides trying to find balance within the force.

This entire movie... basically showed you that the Universe is tired of this endless war. They have given up hope. That's why the fact that no one answered Leia's call was a gut punch. Through out this Franchises history.... Allies always swooped in at the last minute to answer the call. But for the first time.... they didnt.

That's what made the casino scene and the last scene so powerful... You have an entire world of people rich from war and when you look beneath the surface... you see the regular people getting pushed over. Those people are the ones you have to reach. The Downtrudden must be the ones to find “A New Hope”... you can no longer rely on the mysticism of the Jedi when we all have a connection to the force.
 
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Also can we talk about the huge reveal that contrary to what we thought..... Ren didn't destroy all of Luke's students. Come to find out.... He took some with him.
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what happened to these kids..... and is it still possible that Rey was one of them and Ren lied to her.



If you go back to her vision... This could have been Ren and he has forgotten her or he pushed her out of his mind to protect her.


Took students with him. They are out there. Ren is probably one. He said she's nothing but not to him.
And that was more than because of this or that.
Also why are they able to be connected so strongly? Almost like they've been through something really traumatic together right?

They're the 2 most powerful people in the galaxy.
 
Star Wars has always played it fast and loose with the rules of its universe. The bombers erk me (how can you "drop" bombs in space). That whole idea should have been scrapped in script stage. Who would fly in something like that so fragile?

I swear its like people haven't watched Star Wars....




The rebel bomber isn't all that different from the Original Tie Bomber..

Good lord... Is this how DC fans feel like in the Justice League Thread... when they are explaining shit. If so... then I'm sorry.
 
I think Snoke was lying.
They still saw each other at the end was Rey was getting on the falcon and she closed the door on him.

I also saw Ren as the star of this movie and Adam Driver did excellent.

A much better rewrite of Anakin's story from the prequels.

I loved the way he was screaming in rage to fire every muthafuckin thing we got at Luke when he saw him. And the contrast of the inner turmoil in his conversations and when he couldn't shoot at Leia's ship.

Completely agree that this is a much better Anakin Story...

And it's crazy that he became who he is now.. because LUKE made a 5 second error in judgement.
 
Took students with him. They are out there. Ren is probably one. He said she's nothing but not to him.
And that was more than because of this or that.
Also why are they able to be connected so strongly? Almost like they've been through something really traumatic together right?

They're the 2 most powerful people in the galaxy.

Well we know that Snoke connected them originally..... but the fact that they are still connected is telling.
 
Just saw it for the second time and I enjoyed it a lot more than the first time...

I don't know why some folks look for stuff that happens in the real world and make it applicable to SW. Seriously, you are watching a movie about magic, and nothing the do in space makes sense from a scientific perspective.
 
Star Wars: The Last Jedi - Do Critics and Fans Want Different Things?
We examine the vastly different reactions critics and fans are having to Star Wars: The Last Jedi, and why the opinions are so far apart.


At long last, Star Wars: The Last Jedi is in theaters, and like a Force-sensitive Jakku kid, it is causing the earth to shake. As with the two previous Disney-produced Star Wars movies, it was glowingly received by critics, including in our review, and is seeing an even grander reception at the box office. Studio estimates currently have The Last Jedi’s Thursday night earnings at a staggering $45 million, with a projected $100 million for the whole of Friday. To put that in context, it will make more by Saturday than Justice League did in its whole opening weekend. So obviously Disney and Star Wars fans alike have plenty to cheer about. And yet, at least as judged by the early wave of super fans reactions, there is a great disturbance in the Force: divided opinion.

Indeed, the film is still only in its yawning first day of wide release, but already from social media to reddit, and everywhere else online movie geeks gather, The Last Jedi is being met with contention. Is this really what everyone expected two years ago when The Force Awakens ended on a literal cliffhanger? It would of course be shortsighted to believe vocal online fans represent anything but a fraction of moviegoing opinion, yet it is nonetheless striking when The Last Jedi enjoys a 93 percent “Fresh” score on Rotten Tomatoes, and the fan score is at a “Rotten” 58 percent. That number will inevitably change as more people see the movie, but it will almost certainly remain drastically lower than The Force Awakens and Rogue One’s respective 88 and 87 percent fan approval numbers… it may even stay under Justice League’s 80 percent.

This is not to say that Rotten Tomatoes’ audience score is some great authority on the perception of moviegoers. But at least judging by the mixed reaction from the earliest and most eager of Star Wars fans, The Last Jedi did more for critics than it did for fans. Why?

Likely the biggest reason critics were so enthused about The Last Jedi is the exact same source of discord amongst the fans: it is not what we traditionally want from a Star Wars movie.

Personally, I had several issues with The Last Jedi. It runs too long and has awkward editing choices that attempt to balance its overabundance of subplots (and one particularly extraneous one involving Finn and Rose on what I dub the “Monte Carlo Planet”). Yet while noting these in my review, the film’s many virtues are so strong that these flaws pale in comparison. And what I most enjoyed was the way it constantly averts expectations from what is considered “traditional” Star Wars, or even simply how we thought things would play out after The Force Awakens.

This twist begins with the very first scene on Ahch-To, the Irish looking island upon which Luke Skywalker (Mark Hamill) and Rey (Daisy Ridley) spend most of their screen time. Whereas the previous film ended with Rey silently pleading with Luke while attempting to hand him his father’s lightsaber, The Last Jedi picks up from that same moment with Luke nonchalantly tossing the weapon over his shoulder. He then strolls away without saying a word.

Nobody expected Rian Johnson to continue J.J. Abrams’ earnest ending in so flippant a manner, and that may go for the whole film. While The Force Awakens slavishly recreated the Original Trilogy’s plot points and tone, The Last Jedi is constantly using your familiarity against you. Audiences have been lulled into accepting Supreme Leader Snoke (Andy Serkis) as the stand-in for Emperor Palpatine. He has the exact same role as the Emperor from the original films, and is even in a similar sequence where he has the film’s protagonist in his clutches while giving a heavy-handed monologue about how powerful he is.

Yet while both Return of the Jedi and The Last Jedi see a student massacre his dark master to save the hero, in the 2017 edition, it comes not at the climax of a trilogy, nor even during the finale of its own film. It is at the midway point where Snoke is cut off (and in half) mid-sentence. All the mystery of who Snoke would be in the Star Wars mythos and his role in this enormous galaxy is thrown away before audiences ever get to fully know what distinguishes him from Palpatine. It even frankly appears to be a bit of a recalibration on Johnson’s part, as he does away with one of Abrams’ least inspired elements from The Force Awakens. It’s great storytelling, but the antithesis of the world-building fans love so much, especially post-Marvel Studios.


While the general critical approach is to embrace something that can artfully or even thrillingly subvert expectation, these are some of the exact elements that fans are currently vocally despising on Twitter. After two years of speculation and musing about a movie that echoed a fan's starstruck love, The Last Jedi mostly dismisses those elements in favor of digging into something deeper. The Knights of Ren, a group of followers who helped Kylo Ren slaughter the children inside Luke Skywalker’s Jedi Temple, are entirely ignored. Instead of idolizing the older movies that fans love, The Last Jedi deconstructs them. Luke Skywalker isn’t just a grizzly hermit on Ahch-To; he is a bitter old man who’s given into apathy and a sense of failure. The Force ghost that haunts Luke also doesn’t really dispel this notion, suggesting much can be learned by Luke’s life and his profound shortcomings.

As per Yoda, goodness and power do not just come from the Force or prophecy, but from strength of character and intuition. He suggests everything Rey needs to know to become a Jedi she already possesses, as opposed to years of verification that she is special or a chosen one like Anakin Skywalker and Luke before her.

In actuality, this returns to the original conceit of Luke Skywalker that audiences saw in 1977, where he was just a slightly whiny farmboy swept up in a grand adventure. There was no revelation that he was Anakin Skywalker’s son or especially blessed; he was a kid who wanted to be a Jedi, just as it is revealed that Rey’s parents were no one special. Kylo Ren even says, “They have no role in this story.” While perhaps truer to the effect of A New Hope, it is in complete contradiction to what Star Wars has come to represent for most fans with its operatic familial struggles and implied divinity. There is no immaculate conception here.

Critics and cinephiles who view movies through a vast array of cinematic history tend to appreciate films, especially sequels, that can deepen, challenge, or completely reshape how we have previously viewed a genre or trope. This goes double for a long-running franchise like Star Wars. But for fans, it’s the long-running familiarity that is so exciting. You are going back to that world with these characters. Again.

Seeing those characters deconstructed as thoroughly as Luke Skywalker means that even if he gets an epic and legendary sendoff wherein he really does stare down the entire might of the First Order with only a laser sword, it doesn’t mean that he hasn’t been depicted as broken or regretful. The antithesis of the Luke Skywalker in the much more fan service-inclined Expanded Universe where Luke remained ever the irreplaceable hero. In The Last Jedi, he is literally replaced.

What critics look for—originality, differentiation, something new—might only go so far with the most invested of fans. For some, the quality of the film becomes a secondary concern after how characters and worlds are presented based on preconceived notions from other media. And this is not exclusive to Star Wars.

Time and again, filmmakers who veer too far out of the comfort zone of nerdy buzz words like “canon” and “continuity” might find a warmer welcome from critics and mainstream moviegoers than they will the “fanboy” community. For instance, Iron Man 3 is no classic, however, it was a fun and diverting Marvel Studios effort that included a refreshingly nifty twist: Ben Kingsley’s villain who is sold in the credits as the big bad turns out to be as threatening as the man behind the curtain in The Wizard of Oz. He’s a buffoon and a subversive satire of superhero villains. While many reviews credited Shane Black’s creativity for poking fun at the clichés of his genre, fans who expected a comic book-accurate depiction of the Mandarincharacter (oblihvious racism and all) were left sorely disappointed.

Similarly, The Dark Knight Rises made over a billion dollars and enjoyed rave reviews for being a satisfying, layered conclusion to Christopher Nolan’s The Dark Knight Trilogy. However, it also contradicted the previous film in which Batman seemed to be going on a lone crusade to save Gotham by jumping ahead nearly a decade, during which time Christian Bale’s Batman was retired. More startling still, it deconstructed Batman in a profound way, recasting the mask as his inability to cope with a childhood trauma. To save his city and himself, he has to be able to move past his anger and want to live again without the costume. He had to put his cape away and grow up.

It was a bold choice for a mass marketed power fantasy, however Nolan pulled it off with grace and class. It’s a film that has a high reputation among the general audiences, but to generations of hardcore fans who’ve read for decades about a Batman who will never end his war on crime, the mere fact it ended, and ended with a happy and healthily Bat-free Bruce Wayne no less, was akin to sacrilege.

So too does The Last Jedi dare to blaspheme Luke Skywalker by making him a mere mortal. One who can lose faith or give in. So while he, and his film, can transcend to a higher plane for critics who reward ambition, it might levitate just out of bounds for those who care most.

http://www.denofgeek.com/us/movies/...edi-do-critics-and-fans-want-different-things
 
This is just shit writing. That's what they've shown. A connection. Nothing else. Even with training, Force adepts aren't surviving getting blown into space. She's not SuperLeia. She's Space Mary Poppins. Only thing missing was a hat, an umbrella and some 60's musical type music in the background.

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Even Rian Johnson and Mark Hamill had their reservations about the finished product.
:roflmao3:TRUTH!!!!!
 
Star Wars: The Last Jedi - Do Critics and Fans Want Different Things?
We examine the vastly different reactions critics and fans are having to Star Wars: The Last Jedi, and why the opinions are so far apart.


At long last, Star Wars: The Last Jedi is in theaters, and like a Force-sensitive Jakku kid, it is causing the earth to shake. As with the two previous Disney-produced Star Wars movies, it was glowingly received by critics, including in our review, and is seeing an even grander reception at the box office. Studio estimates currently have The Last Jedi’s Thursday night earnings at a staggering $45 million, with a projected $100 million for the whole of Friday. To put that in context, it will make more by Saturday than Justice League did in its whole opening weekend. So obviously Disney and Star Wars fans alike have plenty to cheer about. And yet, at least as judged by the early wave of super fans reactions, there is a great disturbance in the Force: divided opinion.

Indeed, the film is still only in its yawning first day of wide release, but already from social media to reddit, and everywhere else online movie geeks gather, The Last Jedi is being met with contention. Is this really what everyone expected two years ago when The Force Awakens ended on a literal cliffhanger? It would of course be shortsighted to believe vocal online fans represent anything but a fraction of moviegoing opinion, yet it is nonetheless striking when The Last Jedi enjoys a 93 percent “Fresh” score on Rotten Tomatoes, and the fan score is at a “Rotten” 58 percent. That number will inevitably change as more people see the movie, but it will almost certainly remain drastically lower than The Force Awakens and Rogue One’s respective 88 and 87 percent fan approval numbers… it may even stay under Justice League’s 80 percent.

This is not to say that Rotten Tomatoes’ audience score is some great authority on the perception of moviegoers. But at least judging by the mixed reaction from the earliest and most eager of Star Wars fans, The Last Jedi did more for critics than it did for fans. Why?

Likely the biggest reason critics were so enthused about The Last Jedi is the exact same source of discord amongst the fans: it is not what we traditionally want from a Star Wars movie.

Personally, I had several issues with The Last Jedi. It runs too long and has awkward editing choices that attempt to balance its overabundance of subplots (and one particularly extraneous one involving Finn and Rose on what I dub the “Monte Carlo Planet”). Yet while noting these in my review, the film’s many virtues are so strong that these flaws pale in comparison. And what I most enjoyed was the way it constantly averts expectations from what is considered “traditional” Star Wars, or even simply how we thought things would play out after The Force Awakens.

This twist begins with the very first scene on Ahch-To, the Irish looking island upon which Luke Skywalker (Mark Hamill) and Rey (Daisy Ridley) spend most of their screen time. Whereas the previous film ended with Rey silently pleading with Luke while attempting to hand him his father’s lightsaber, The Last Jedi picks up from that same moment with Luke nonchalantly tossing the weapon over his shoulder. He then strolls away without saying a word.

Nobody expected Rian Johnson to continue J.J. Abrams’ earnest ending in so flippant a manner, and that may go for the whole film. While The Force Awakens slavishly recreated the Original Trilogy’s plot points and tone, The Last Jedi is constantly using your familiarity against you. Audiences have been lulled into accepting Supreme Leader Snoke (Andy Serkis) as the stand-in for Emperor Palpatine. He has the exact same role as the Emperor from the original films, and is even in a similar sequence where he has the film’s protagonist in his clutches while giving a heavy-handed monologue about how powerful he is.

Yet while both Return of the Jedi and The Last Jedi see a student massacre his dark master to save the hero, in the 2017 edition, it comes not at the climax of a trilogy, nor even during the finale of its own film. It is at the midway point where Snoke is cut off (and in half) mid-sentence. All the mystery of who Snoke would be in the Star Wars mythos and his role in this enormous galaxy is thrown away before audiences ever get to fully know what distinguishes him from Palpatine. It even frankly appears to be a bit of a recalibration on Johnson’s part, as he does away with one of Abrams’ least inspired elements from The Force Awakens. It’s great storytelling, but the antithesis of the world-building fans love so much, especially post-Marvel Studios.


While the general critical approach is to embrace something that can artfully or even thrillingly subvert expectation, these are some of the exact elements that fans are currently vocally despising on Twitter. After two years of speculation and musing about a movie that echoed a fan's starstruck love, The Last Jedi mostly dismisses those elements in favor of digging into something deeper. The Knights of Ren, a group of followers who helped Kylo Ren slaughter the children inside Luke Skywalker’s Jedi Temple, are entirely ignored. Instead of idolizing the older movies that fans love, The Last Jedi deconstructs them. Luke Skywalker isn’t just a grizzly hermit on Ahch-To; he is a bitter old man who’s given into apathy and a sense of failure. The Force ghost that haunts Luke also doesn’t really dispel this notion, suggesting much can be learned by Luke’s life and his profound shortcomings.

As per Yoda, goodness and power do not just come from the Force or prophecy, but from strength of character and intuition. He suggests everything Rey needs to know to become a Jedi she already possesses, as opposed to years of verification that she is special or a chosen one like Anakin Skywalker and Luke before her.

In actuality, this returns to the original conceit of Luke Skywalker that audiences saw in 1977, where he was just a slightly whiny farmboy swept up in a grand adventure. There was no revelation that he was Anakin Skywalker’s son or especially blessed; he was a kid who wanted to be a Jedi, just as it is revealed that Rey’s parents were no one special. Kylo Ren even says, “They have no role in this story.” While perhaps truer to the effect of A New Hope, it is in complete contradiction to what Star Wars has come to represent for most fans with its operatic familial struggles and implied divinity. There is no immaculate conception here.

Critics and cinephiles who view movies through a vast array of cinematic history tend to appreciate films, especially sequels, that can deepen, challenge, or completely reshape how we have previously viewed a genre or trope. This goes double for a long-running franchise like Star Wars. But for fans, it’s the long-running familiarity that is so exciting. You are going back to that world with these characters. Again.

Seeing those characters deconstructed as thoroughly as Luke Skywalker means that even if he gets an epic and legendary sendoff wherein he really does stare down the entire might of the First Order with only a laser sword, it doesn’t mean that he hasn’t been depicted as broken or regretful. The antithesis of the Luke Skywalker in the much more fan service-inclined Expanded Universe where Luke remained ever the irreplaceable hero. In The Last Jedi, he is literally replaced.

What critics look for—originality, differentiation, something new—might only go so far with the most invested of fans. For some, the quality of the film becomes a secondary concern after how characters and worlds are presented based on preconceived notions from other media. And this is not exclusive to Star Wars.

Time and again, filmmakers who veer too far out of the comfort zone of nerdy buzz words like “canon” and “continuity” might find a warmer welcome from critics and mainstream moviegoers than they will the “fanboy” community. For instance, Iron Man 3 is no classic, however, it was a fun and diverting Marvel Studios effort that included a refreshingly nifty twist: Ben Kingsley’s villain who is sold in the credits as the big bad turns out to be as threatening as the man behind the curtain in The Wizard of Oz. He’s a buffoon and a subversive satire of superhero villains. While many reviews credited Shane Black’s creativity for poking fun at the clichés of his genre, fans who expected a comic book-accurate depiction of the Mandarincharacter (oblihvious racism and all) were left sorely disappointed.

Similarly, The Dark Knight Rises made over a billion dollars and enjoyed rave reviews for being a satisfying, layered conclusion to Christopher Nolan’s The Dark Knight Trilogy. However, it also contradicted the previous film in which Batman seemed to be going on a lone crusade to save Gotham by jumping ahead nearly a decade, during which time Christian Bale’s Batman was retired. More startling still, it deconstructed Batman in a profound way, recasting the mask as his inability to cope with a childhood trauma. To save his city and himself, he has to be able to move past his anger and want to live again without the costume. He had to put his cape away and grow up.

It was a bold choice for a mass marketed power fantasy, however Nolan pulled it off with grace and class. It’s a film that has a high reputation among the general audiences, but to generations of hardcore fans who’ve read for decades about a Batman who will never end his war on crime, the mere fact it ended, and ended with a happy and healthily Bat-free Bruce Wayne no less, was akin to sacrilege.

So too does The Last Jedi dare to blaspheme Luke Skywalker by making him a mere mortal. One who can lose faith or give in. So while he, and his film, can transcend to a higher plane for critics who reward ambition, it might levitate just out of bounds for those who care most.

http://www.denofgeek.com/us/movies/...edi-do-critics-and-fans-want-different-things
Brilliant break down thank you!


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I'm guessing most of the negative rotten tomato scores are from a coordinated alt-right attack on the film. They hate having women and minorities at the center of the story.
 
I'm a huge star wars nerd and I thought it was fire... I seriously don't get the complaints on here at all.

You had a scene where a Rebel ship went into Lightspeed through Snoke's main ship.

So not only were the FX artists BSG fans,but also of Farscape as well :roflmao2:

Plus it kind of seemed like Rian Johnson got rid of most of the characters Abrams came up with in TFA:

-Snoke
-Capt.Phasma
-the pilots in Poe's squadron(except for the alien one)
 
This why I loved this movie because it does make you confused about how you feel...

Eventually the stories about these characters... has to end. Something has to break this cycle between both sides trying to find balance within the force.

This entire movie... basically showed you that the Universe is tired of this endless war. They have given up hope. That's why the fact that no one answered Leia's call was a gut punch. Through out this Franchises history.... Allies always swooped in at the last minute to answer the call. But for the first time.... they didnt.

That's what made the casino scene and the last scene so powerful... You have an entire world of people rich from war and when you look beneath the surface... you see the regular people getting pushed over. Those people are the ones you have to reach. The Downtrudden must be the ones to find “A New Hope”... you can no longer rely on the mysticism of the Jedi when we all have a connection to the force.

They are taking a part of ASOIAF *game of thrones* with common folks being a part of a movement.
 
About Leia's force situation, in aftermath, she practice force abilities while she was pregnant with Kylo. She also communicates regularly with Luke, although she doesn't know where he was at.

Her abilities is pretty canon now.
 
About Leia's force situation, in aftermath, she practice force abilities while she was pregnant with Kylo. She also communicates regularly with Luke, although she doesn't know where he was at.

Her abilities is pretty canon now.

This was the drop that I needed... I completely forgot about the Books. Yeah her force ability is Cannon.

I no longer have an issue with this.
 
When it comes to the books regarding Star Wars canon, I'm Colin Powell.

EFF the books. If it doesn't happen on screen, or is even mentioned, I don't even consider it part of the story being presented on film.

Leia was Force sensitive, yes, as we saw in Return of the Jedi and TFA.

Having Force ability, such as we saw when she flew in space like Superman, however, is whole other story.
 
Leia was Force sensitive, yes, as we saw in Return of the Jedi and TFA.

Having Force ability, such as we saw when she flew in space like Superman, however, is whole other story.
its the same ol shit...
being guided to do the impossible or improbable w/o any obvious training
affinity with the force is not pick and choose
 
Part Kurosawa, part Wile E. Coyote, The Last Jedi boldly rewires Star Wars' origins

The Last Jedi, Rian Johnson’s stylized contribution to the Star Wars mythos, returns to the series’ root influences—samurai films, pulp serials, 1940s wartime dramas—to create the most idiosyncratic Star Wars film to date. The humor is wacky and Spaceballs-and-Looney-Tunes-ish, the staging stark and operatic, the sense of mythology expressive and terrific; it brushes away the prequel trilogy’s pseudo-rationalization of the Force, the mystical animating power of the Star-Wars-verse, and makes it purely dramatic, even going beyond George Lucas’ original transcendental concept. (Star Wars may be set in a galaxy far, far away, but it was born in ‘70s San Francisco.) In short, it’s bound to piss off some of this 40-year-old, multi-billion-dollar franchise’s more dogmatic fans. Johnson’s script—the busiest in the series, though it’s more nuanced than might appear at first glance—is driven almost exclusively by individual failures and foiled intentions, the Joseph Campbell hero’s journey torn into pieces.

Consider Lucas’ original film, an unlikely mix of the techno-futurism of his debut, THX-1138, and the retro nostalgia of his sophomore film, American Graffiti. The cultural life of what’s now officially called Star Wars: Episode IV –A New Hope has been curious; initially recognized as an ingenious pastiche, it has now completely eclipsed its sources in popularity. Its six prequels and sequels (not counting The Last Jedi or last year’s Rogue One: A Star Wars Story) form a contorting, decades-spanning narrative of Dickensian coincidences: the galaxy is vast and strange, but somehow it all keeps coming back to Tatooine, the Death Star, Chewbacca, and Anakin Skywalker. J.J. Abrams’ Star Wars: The Force Awakenstook it further: not Tatooine, but a desert planet just like it; not the Death Star, but the derivative Starkiller Base; not Anakin Skywalker, but the grandson who wants to be just like him. (Chewbacca has remained a constant, however.)

Characters were that movie’s strength, and its most dynamic addition to the series came in the form of the aforementioned grandson: Kylo Ren, the ultimate Darth Vader fan, a tragic and moody Wile E. Coyote whose turn to the dark side is all too relatable. Kylo is an already self-reflexive creation for a sequel trilogy expected to repeat the past. But now comes The Last Jedi, which parallels its heroine’s search for guidance from Luke Skywalker, the protagonist of the original trilogy, by going back to the source material—not to A New Hope, à la The Force Awakens, but to its core inspirations, starting with Lucas’ Japanophilia. The influence of Akira Kurosawa is refashioned into graphically bold throne room and battle scenes, Rashomon-inspired flashbacks, a spectacular samurai-style light saber melee, red backdrops (theatrically implying non-Disney-friendly carnage), and images scrimmed with rain, sparks, and fog.
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In other words, this isn’t Lucas’ Kurosawa. Aesthetically, The Last Jedi draws more from the director’s color films, like Kagemusha(which Lucas helped finance) and Ran, thoughJohnson doesn’t try to copy the pictorially flattened telephoto compositions of these late-period works; his visual instincts are closer to pulpier directors like Hideo Gosha (acknowledged as an influence on The Last Jedi) or Kenji Misumi, the latter known for his Lone Wolf And Cub movies. His ambitious pastiche substitutes the original trilogy’s Japanese influences—obvious in everything from Darth Vader’s armor to the prevalence of pseudo-Japanese names like Kenobi and Yoda—with his own; the most obvious example is a spaceship breathtakingly ripped apart in a sequence straight out of sci-fi anime.


From top to bottom, The Last Jedi rewires the cinematic and mythological influences of Star Wars to its own ends: the non-stop climaxes and cliffhangers that give this (very long) movie the structure of a compressed serial that’s unlike any other Star Wars film; the opening space battle’s quotations of World War II bomber-crew films; the extended side-trip into ‘30s and ‘40s Hollywood references that takes itto a Monaco-meets-Casablanca casino planet of war profiteers, complete with Benicio Del Toro doing his best Peter Lorre as a scummy code-breaker; the fantastical touches that bring the Force closer to the sorcery of fairy tales and medieval romance than it’s ever been, with some wuxia thrown in for good measure. No film in this series has been this strange, baroque, or internally conflicted, pondering why the world of Star Wars seems doomed to repeat itself in between gags and eye-catching action sequences.

One answer, which comes courtesy of Del Toro’s character, is that constant interstellar strife is good business; an entire hitherto unseen military-industrial complex is making fortunes peddling X-Wings, TIE Fighters, and blasters. Another is that the Star Wars galaxy is one of self-fulfilling prophecies; the Last Jedi’s ensemble cast teems with wannabe heroes on thwarted quests, from the recklessly gung-ho hotshot Poe to the doubting Finn. At its center is a fight over narrative ownership. “This isn’t your story,” says Kylo to our heroine, Rey, late in the film, cementing his status as a twisted fan surrogate. She is a true nobody, an apparent glitch in what’s supposed to be the saga of the Skywalker bloodline. But then, so much of what happens in The Last Jedi—the psychic dialogues, the astral projections—suggests that the Force isn’t exactly what we’ve been told. Perhaps it’s always just been a cosmic expression of hopes and fears.

But, then, what makes Rey different from everyone else? A web of mentor-student dynamics connects all of the movie’s major characters, sometimes unwittingly; the theme here is the failure of the masters and idols. It seems to radiate from the relationship between Kylo and his uncle, Luke, who ages into a tragic hero out of Greek myth in The Last Jedi. In trying to keep history from repeating—from letting another Darth Vader loose on the galaxy—he has brought it back upon himself. This whole sequel trilogy is his fault. Fittingly, he dissipates into the unknown in nirvanic contemplation of his own origins. Framed in front of a sundown that instantly brings to mind the binary sunset of Tatooine—the series’ most lyrical image—he is at once the grizzled Jedi master and the fresh-faced farm boy. What is it that Rey says in The Force Awakens? “I’m no one.”
 
Man the Force shit is getting out of control. They using it to fill holes in bad writing. If you can't figure out how to make this scene work. Just sprinkle a lil "Force" on it and keep it moving. The force supersedes training, discipline and even character now. Rey had no training at all in the first movie and bested Kylo in a light sable duel. She's a expert duelist now without any real training. In the Original Trilogy or Prequels the Force wasn't knowledge dump. Fighting styles and Light Sable training was a acquired still that both Jedi and Sith had to train for years to master. It didn't have shit to do with the Force. The Force enhanced what skills and abilities you had. Astro Projection, GTFOH with that bullshit. They have destroyed the original concept of what the Force was first killing the mystery and spiritual aspects with the whole midi chlorians bullshit. Now with everybody being force sensitive and no training is needed to be a great warrior. On another note too much comedy for the life and death situations going on all around the movie. They taking too many notes from Marvel where no one dies. One more grip, too many woman leads in charge. They have went overboard with the men being bafoons used for comic relief and the women in dresses in charge leading a military operation (that's just fucking ridiculous).

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As soon as they showed the whole city lit up and then the zoom in over the crap tables and other gambling activities


And then they showed my nigga Benico Del torro


Decent Cinematography, It was't good story. Everything that happened there was boring as shit. They could have sent Finn and Rose directly to the Imperial ship and the story would have been better. Did you really enjoy the dog/horse riding scene?
 
Man the Force shit is getting out of control. They using it to fill holes in bad writing. If you can't figure out how to make this scene work. Just sprinkle a lil "Force" on it and keep it moving. The force supersedes training, discipline and even character now. Rey had no training at all in the first movie and bested Kylo in a light sable duel. She's a expert duelist now without any real training. In the Original Trilogy or Prequels the Force wasn't knowledge dump. Fighting styles and Light Sable training was a acquired still that both Jedi and Sith had to train for years to master. It didn't have shit to do with the Force. The Force enhanced what skills and abilities you had. Astro Projection, GTFOH with that bullshit. They have destroyed the original concept of what the Force was first killing the mystery and spiritual aspects with the whole midi chlorians bullshit. Now with everybody being force sensitive and no training is needed to be a great warrior.
I don't know why- but Rian and Kathy decided to make a darker movie tailored directly to fans that have exposure to SW canon outside of the movies.

every power / ability you've seen in this movie is based on established canon in this universe... including force illusions / astral projecting

Everything about the theories on the force in this movie is straight from Lucas' final attempt at explaining the force...

The force has always been the reason jedi and sith were feared fighters - the stronger the connection with the force the easier they can sense / anticipate the future - they feel what you are going to do before you do it

With that being said:



yeah...
you weren't paying attention to other movies nor even this one...


neither Luke Kylo nor Rey has been trained in lightsaber combat... period- its all watered down

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this was a sloppy brawl won through power not skill

Vader was toying with Luke in both movies

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Palpatine made sure to suppress the knowledge of the force and most martial sciences as far he could- not only an extermination of force wielders but also Mandalorians etc- the Empire created a monopoly on violence... which has lead to even less effective combatants since RoJ

In theory - one of these guys would mop the floor with everyone except Snoke and Luke
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Rey demonstrated back in her intro that she is a very competent fighter...

Kylo Ren was severely injured by the same bowcaster that was shown multiple times during the film killing stormtroopers etc knocking them back for 10 to 20 feet
example - If you just got shot by a .40 in lets say your knee or your right side of your gut - then proceeded to fight hand to hand... even a 6 y/o with a broom stick will eventually kick your ass
So stop moaning about Rey v Kylo
 
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It's was good but disappointing. No one knows Rey is Luke's daughter? Not even Yoda? That was disappointing as fuck. Plus they got they ass kicked at every turn.

Spoiler: Did the little boy from the horse stable use the force to grab the broom at the end? Flashed the Rebellion ring and held the broom like a lightsaber?
 
Decent Cinematography, It was't good story. Everything that happened there was boring as shit. They could have sent Finn and Rose directly to the Imperial ship and the story would have been better. Did you really enjoy the dog/horse riding scene?
too many characters... unnecessary plots
Poe should be gone, JJ should have left him dead - no asian chick - no vice admiral - no benicio
Phasma was a waste- why promote her and the actress to waste her like that?
There should have been more time invested in developing Luke and Snoke... IMO they unintentionally turned Rey into a supporting character -worse she had no real internal conflict.
Kylo stole the movie


I don't like the idea of JJ Abrams getting this clean of a slate to do ep9
 
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