Sports Pass/Fail: Ken Burns says ESPN Michael Jordan ‘The Last Dance’ isn’t good journalism or good history UPDATE: Apology

@xfactor you agree? can you chime in and let us know when exactly you started to feel jordan was overrated. Thanks in advance.

but what do you think about someone putting a player in their top 3 goat, and then saying they are overrated. can you explain that thinking to the class, sounds a bit contradictory to me.

I have Jordan as the greatest 2 guard. Still overrated. His hype doesnt match his career or impact anymore.
 
I have Jordan as the greatest 2 guard. Still overrated. His hype doesnt match his career or impact anymore.
so you yourself are basically overrating him by putting him at number 2 then.

The Bulls may have finished below .500 that 2nd season if Jordan didn't come out of retirement and save them.
Best SG since Jordan and he's held the top spot since 2005-2006.
I would rank Tim Duncan right up there with him as far as overall dominance for players in the post Jordan era but Smaq isn't the most dominant player ever.
root for a player like LeBron, who is the best non-big we've seen since Jordan
but look at all the praise your boy is giving to someone who is overrated.

ok, i can see the tide starting to shift after this comment.

The real question should be has LeBron passed Jordan?

For now, the answer is no and even if the Cavaliers beat the Warriors in this series it will be no.

However if he beats the Warriors (a historically great team) and wins another then I can't see how he isn't the greatest of all time.
 
Dude you are reaching, searching for answers. :lol: Just accept nobody sees Jordan as good as he was 10 years ago. And in 10 more years he'll be viewed even less favorably. You'll still be buying Jordans. Maybe if Bron loses another Final we'll forget he's a self hating coon. Pray hard for Kawhi.
 
Dude you are reaching, searching for answers. :lol: Just accept nobody sees Jordan as good as he was 10 years ago. And in 10 more years he'll be viewed even less favorably. You'll still be buying Jordans. Maybe if Bron loses another Final we'll forget he's a self hating coon. Pray hard for Kawhi.
just trying to get answers which it seems you can't provide, so now you want to change topics. simple question, how can you put someone at top 2 (or top 3 all time) and then say they are overrated. Yall made the statement so why can't you explain it?
 
just trying to get answers which it seems you can't provide, so now you want to change topics. simple question, how can you put someone at top 2 (or top 3 all time) and then say they are overrated. Yall made the statement so why can't you explain it?

Cuz he is overrated. @largebillsonlyplease told me he was a sorry 3 point shooter cuz he didnt know it was important and would work harder at it in this era. :lol: People talk like that for "overrated" players. Portraying a player as having no weaknesses makes him "overrated". Promise if you James Harden shoots 29% from 3, Bills wont tell me he didnt know it was important. But then again James Harden doesnt have a shoe grown men build their self worth thru. When you purchase his products like you guys do, the temptation to go along with the Nike marketing blitz is too great for yall to care about nuance.
 
Cuz he is overrated. @largebillsonlyplease told me he was a sorry 3 point shooter cuz he didnt know it was important and would work harder at it in this era. :lol: People talk like that for "overrated" players. Portraying a player as having no weaknesses makes him "overrated". Promise if you James Harden shoots 29% from 3, Bills wont tell me he didnt know it was important. But then again James Harden doesnt have a shoe grown men build their self worth thru. When you purchase his products like you guys do, the temptation to go along with the Nike marketing blitz is too great for yall to care about nuance.

I don't get this argument.
Mainly because it doesn't make sense

The game changes
When Jordan was drafted they said it was a mistake the game was about the big man.

So if you're going to sit here and act like the game hasn't changed to stress more importance on the 3 point shot

To the point in which the person you named in hardens gm said don't take jump shots ... Just layups or 3s

When a gm would have never said this when Jordan was playing

There's nothing to discuss

There actually isn't I just laid this out to display your impressive wingspan in reaching to prop up a career choker in Harden and by proxy we know who.
 
Cuz he is overrated. @largebillsonlyplease told me he was a sorry 3 point shooter cuz he didnt know it was important and would work harder at it in this era. :lol: People talk like that for "overrated" players. Portraying a player as having no weaknesses makes him "overrated". Promise if you James Harden shoots 29% from 3, Bills wont tell me he didnt know it was important. But then again James Harden doesnt have a shoe grown men build their self worth thru. When you purchase his products like you guys do, the temptation to go along with the Nike marketing blitz is too great for yall to care about nuance.
that doesnt explain anything, but then again, i'm not surprised you couldn't answer the question with an in-depth explanation, without involving others and mentioning other topics.
 
I don't get this argument.
Mainly because it doesn't make sense

The game changes
When Jordan was drafted they said it was a mistake the game was about the big man.

So if you're going to sit here and act like the game hasn't changed to stress more importance on the 3 point shot

To the point in which the person you named in hardens gm said don't take jump shots ... Just layups or 3s

When a gm would have never said this when Jordan was playing

There's nothing to discuss

There actually isn't I just laid this out to display your impressive wingspan in reaching to prop up a career choker in Harden and by proxy we know who.

The game changing doesnt negate the fact he sucks as a long distance shooter and we have evidence to back that. You have none to say "oh he misses all the 3s he did cuz he didnt think it was important". If we were talkin bout Harden you would say that. Your favoritism towards Jordan wont allow you to. You cant even admit a weakness. :smh: None of you dudes can take a nuanced look at him. People who dont worship his shoe line dont have that issue.
 
Not surprised. His Luciferian idol is gone so now he wants to go worship another and go against anyone that does not agree.

sad existence some of these “brothers” live.
hey, can you answer my questions? i've tagged you so you know where to find them. thanks.
 
Not surprised. His Luciferian idol is gone so now he wants to go worship another and go against anyone that does not agree.

sad existence some of these “brothers” live.

Now that Kobes gone, Bron hate just aint the same. When they teamed up against Bron fans it was all fun and games. But now Jordan stans tryna protect the coon legacy on their own? Come off mad desperate. Its like they determined to make everyone see MJ as overrated.
 
Dude you are reaching, searching for answers. :lol: Just accept nobody sees Jordan as good as he was 10 years ago. And in 10 more years he'll be viewed even less favorably. You'll still be buying Jordans. Maybe if Bron loses another Final we'll forget he's a self hating coon. Pray hard for Kawhi.
@TimRock is embarrassing himself at this point. Next he will start posting from when I was a teenager and attributing them to my thoughts as a grown man. What thought methodology that does that remind you of? :lol:

There are some truly mentally disturbed posters on BGOL. I would feel sorry for whoever has these dudes as fathers getting all kind of “wisdom” passed down to them from old fools.
 
@TimRock is embarrassing himself at this point. Next he will start posting from when I was a teenager and attributing them to my thoughts as a grown man. What thought methodology that does that remind you of? :lol:

There are some truly mentally disturbed posters on BGOL. I would feel sorry for whoever has these dudes as fathers getting all kind of “wisdom” passed down to them from old fools.

It just shows how hollow some of these dudes are and what they value. @VAiz4hustlaz was right, this board is full of strivers that would sell out like MJ if they could. They caping and making excuses for a coon. They dont be defending MLK or Malcolm X like this. :smh:
 
@TimRock is embarrassing himself at this point. Next he will start posting from when I was a teenager and attributing them to my thoughts as a grown man. What thought methodology that does that remind you of? :lol:

There are some truly mentally disturbed posters on BGOL. I would feel sorry for whoever has these dudes as fathers getting all kind of “wisdom” passed down to them from old fools.
but you can't point me to a time where you called jordan overrated before 2010. ok, how about 2012? Uou also can't explain why you praised him so much back in those days. and why is he in YOUR top 3, but yet, overrated? You or your pops can answer.You calim to be a grown man, but yet you just follow behind others. Just simply answer what i asked, that's all.
 
Next he will start posting from when I was a teenager and attributing them to my thoughts as a grown man
but that's thing, you just said Jordan was in your top 3 all time and that he is overrated, so no, these are not your thoughts from years ago, this is from a little while ago. so if the question didnt make since the first time, why is jordan in YOUR top 3, but you feel he is overrated?
 
Now that Kobes gone, Bron hate just aint the same. When they teamed up against Bron fans it was all fun and games. But now Jordan stans tryna protect the coon legacy on their own? Come off mad desperate. Its like they determined to make everyone see MJ as overrated.
LeBron is a true killer. The stans hate him even more because he easily surpassed their idol then wiped him off the board completely. It is a shame that the Luciferian brought his daughter along with him when they told him his time was up :smh:

the cabalists are cutthroat and when you deal with them, they own you. @COINTELPRO even knows this but I’ll chill on the talk of the serpent, as this thread is about the great bull AKA Ba’al.
 
Y'all having fully-formed critiques of a 10-part series after only 4 parts is some Ken Burns shit too.

What’s worse is after 4 episodes people were completely fine with the documentary.

Although Ken hasn’t watched it, Ken says it’s bad and people fall in line saying

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Kaboom

And another big mistep

Making a big deal of McHale shaking zeke hand

When it was Zeke that CHASED HIM DOWN

And Larry CURSED MCHALE THE F*CK OUT FOR THAT IMMEDIATELY

And told him to never do that again

But ummmm

We just gonna conveniently ignore that.
Are you saying they didn't cover this?
 
He's only doing it to fit in. Dude is always following someone else's lead, been like that for years. Still waiting for him to show me a previous quote pre 2010 where he said Jordan was overrated

OK got it fam

even CLEVELAND NY and UTAH fans recognize the REAL.
 
What was all that bullshit about this being one sided to make MJ look good and it is just one long commercial?
 
so @xfactor when did you start to feel that jordan was overrated? and why do you have him in YOUR top 3, if you feel he is overrated?
 
so @xfactor when did you start to feel that jordan was overrated? and why do you have him in YOUR top 3, if you feel he is overrated?

all the answers to those questions have been posted which you can find since you like to research but it won’t change the fact that both Jordan and LeBron > Bryant.

LeBron will get his jersey retired and a statue in half the time it took for Bryant which is what this is all about for you, without having to get carried by other hall of famers.

if you aren’t #1 but promoted as the greatest ever, you are overrated.
 
all the answers to those questions have been posted which you can find since you like to research but it won’t change the fact that both Jordan and LeBron > Bryant.

LeBron will get his jersey retired and a statue in half the time it took for Bryant which is what this is all about for you, without having to get carried by other hall of famers.

if you aren’t #1 but promoted as the greatest ever, you are overrated.
you haven't answered anything. just tell me when. you wasted all this time deflecting, just answer the simple question.
show me a post pre 2012 where you referred to jordan as overrated. that's all i ask.
 
they did NOT.
I swear they did fam...

Zeke said that Boston walked off and he literally chased McHale down at half court and made him shake his hand... said that's just how things was done....

Them they showed that clip to Mike, of Zeke explaining it and Mike was like "whatever nigga..." matter fact, isn't that where this meme came from??
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Unless you're talking about something different, or wanting more detail???
 
I swear they did fam...

Zeke said that Boston walked off and he literally chased McHale down at half court and made him shake his hand... said that's just how things was done....

Them they showed that clip to Mike, of Zeke explaining it and Mike was like "whatever nigga..." matter fact, isn't that where this meme came from??
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Unless you're talking about something different, or wanting more detail???

You right

Something different im talking about Bird telling Mchale don't do that sh*t again in the locker room

And bird saying he wouldn't have shaked hands either

They left that out and also the pistons were FAR FROM the last team to not shake
 
I swear they did fam...

Zeke said that Boston walked off and he literally chased McHale down at half court and made him shake his hand... said that's just how things was done....

Them they showed that clip to Mike, of Zeke explaining it and Mike was like "whatever nigga..." matter fact, isn't that where this meme came from??
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Unless you're talking about something different, or wanting more detail???

Yes they did speak about it.

The point is the Bulls made it a point to shake hands with the Pistons each time they lost and congratulated them. Even after losing a 7 game series.

The minute the Bulls beat the Pistons, the Pistons walked off the floor.

Not sure why the Celtics keep being brought up? Yes the Celtics walked off the floor too. But in the “Bulls vs Pistons” rivalry, the loser which was the Bulls always shook hands until the Pistons lost.

Now it’s, “But the Celtics did it too and “That’s how things were done”.

Sure
 
I hate how they’re not telling us anything we don’t know.
Watching it it’s literally like watching “Come Fly with Me”, “Playground”, and “The Air Up There”, in which I already own all three of those.
Then throw in that Jordan movie that came out in the iMax theaters and boom, “The Last Dance”.
 
Yes they did speak about it.

The point is the Bulls made it a point to shake hands with the Pistons each time they lost and congratulated them. Even after losing a 7 game series.

The minute the Bulls beat the Pistons, the Pistons walked off the floor.

Not sure why the Celtics keep being brought up? Yes the Celtics walked off the floor too. But in the “Bulls vs Pistons” rivalry, the loser which was the Bulls always shook hands until the Pistons lost.

Now it’s, “But the Celtics did it too and “That’s how things were done”.

Sure

Oh I'm not agreeing with what Detroit did... nor am I excusing it because "Boston did it"

I was just pointing out to the homie that they did kinda touch on it in the show...
 
Oh I'm not agreeing with what Detroit did... nor am I excusing it because "Boston did it"

I was just pointing out to the homie that they did kinda touch on it in the show...

Oh no you're good, I'm just puzzled that Boston keep being brought up when in the Bulls vs Pistons series they shook hands, until the Bulls won.

That "They did it too" doesn't work in this case.
 
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