If Wade continues to perform like this and wins the Finals MVP

[FJP]

oh damn forgot about that ... but that team was deep though but I digress ... you got me I was wrong ... Don't tell Beeeii

But I'd still take Wade over Pierce as far as talent year in and year out ... Pierce had out played Kobe and Lebron in 2008 ... and he is a lot like wade come to think of it as far as taking charge and being a go to guy ...

Yeah I couldn't let that ride. I'm not a huge Pierce fan but I give credit where its due. Even on his "own" teams he made it out the first round consistently.

 

[Les W]

Yeah I couldn't let that ride. I'm not a huge Pierce fan but I give credit where its due. Even on his "own" teams he made it out the first round consistently.

Yeah funny thing is I feel the same way about Wade and Pierce is MY DUDE ... not just for his play but just sticking with Boston all these years ... and blackin out when the pressure was on ... he just talk too much trash/tweetin and give teams bulletin board material but that's cool

True to an extent. With Wade he is the type of player that gets better with talent around him, much like a Horry or even Pippen for that matter, in this aspect he does it perhaps as good as anyone in the game. I contrast that with James who is the type of player who makes his teammates play better, but not necessarily play better with better talent. Wade and James are apples and oranges, but also very similar to each other and complement each other style.
So if you have to mention one as being the best all time, you have to also mention the other, even though their game may be different from each other.

damn RR been too long but I co-sign this fully ... Lebron is more of a center piece player for a TEAM ... wade needs Lebron's overall help more than Lebron does

 

[FJP]

Both Wades Finals MVPs will prove ..........the importance of the OTHER player.

In 2006 it proved that with a great perimeter player, Shaq was still a centerpiece for a championship team..

In 2011 it will prove that when you put actual talent alongside Lebron James....it's damn near a guaranteed championship.

 

[r3d DaWn]

Wade is not top 5, no where near it. Any player that bitches and cries on the court as much as him, flops, shouldn't be considered elite! That bitch cries FOR EVERY fucking foul called on him, or one he thinks he should get. He used to be bad about that, now it's worst since Lebitch came to town.. That shit, shouldn't be allowed.

 

[daman200]

Both Wades Finals MVPs will prove ..........the importance of the OTHER player.

In 2006 it proved that with a great perimeter player, Shaq was still a centerpiece for a championship team..

In 2011 it will prove that when you put actual talent alongside Lebron James....it's damn near a guaranteed championship.

Yeah In the NBA you need two superstars to win the title

Dirk knows jason terry isnt that guy.

 

[FJP]

Yeah In the NBA you need two superstars to win the title

Dirk knows jason terry isnt that guy.

Either 2 superstars(Shaq/Kobe), One superstar and a star (Jordan and Pippen) One superstar and a couple of cats who equal another superstar(Duncan/Ginobli&Parker) Or Just a magical superstar effort as a team(Pistons).... The Mavericks fit NONE of those descriptions.

 

[Blunt]

Nice try .... and you almost had me.... to think ... I was gonna be lazy and admit I was wrong ...

don't u EVARRRR test me again blunt next time I won't be so civil ... I'm not on your level ok ... got that???

I have addressed you and now you have been warned ... you can go play troll now

Dumbfuck, go check the FIRST PLACE VOTES. I said he topped him in THAT category. Learn how to read. And stop trying to trump me. You're way too emotional and irrational for that.

I'll do it for your lazy, dimwitted ass:

Lebron = 109 First Place votes

Kobe = 2 First Place votes

Wade = 7 First Place votes

 

[TREY-GA]

What will that do for his legacy?

I have never really seen him discussed as an all-time great guard...will that begin(especially considering he is still in his prime). I know this may be a bit premature as there are a lot of games left in this series.

He's only 7 years in, so yes its early, but he's on the doorstep...Dude is a baller, plays both ends of the floor and doesn't shy away from the pressure situation...If they win the series, he continues to move up the list, and into the discussion with the all-time greats...Legacy is AFTER YOU RETIRE, no athlete sits around trying to construct his legacy from year to year...You just play and you let your performance, AND OTHERS dictate where you fall in amongst the greats...barring injury, he'll be there in the end...

 

[P03t]

Ehhhhhhhhhhh not yet. Hall of fame player yet but top 5 ever???

fanboys....

 

[P03t]

Either 2 superstars(Shaq/Kobe), One superstar and a star (Jordan and Pippen) One superstar and a couple of cats who equal another superstar(Duncan/Ginobli&Parker) Or Just a magical superstar effort as a team(Pistons).... The Mavericks fit NONE of those descriptions.

I always felt they could play like that Pistons championship team....

 

[wr4329]

I think Wade is a really good player but people keep calling this dude a great closer based on his finals performance 5 years ago. Dude hasnt even been in position to close any meaningful games over the past 5 years and he still getting "royalties" for 2006. For both Wade and Lebrons all time status to be top 10 the Heat have to dominate with 3-4 championships over the next 5 years.

 

[xfactor]

Best SG since Jordan and he's held the top spot since 2005-2006.

He'll go down as #2 or #3 if he keeps this up. (Michael Jordan, Jerry West)

 

[wiZe]

Top 5 shooting guard of all time.

Although I will say he's taken his flop game to another level in the playoffs. John Stockton would be proud.

 

[TREY-GA]

I think Wade is a really good player but people keep calling this dude a great closer based on his finals performance 5 years ago. Dude hasnt even been in position to close any meaningful games over the past 5 years and he still getting "royalties" for 2006. For both Wade and Lebrons all time status to be top 10 the Heat have to dominate with 3-4 championships over the next 5 years.

...being a "closer" isn't a team thing , but an individual thing...other than Kobe who has been closing anything in the last 5-6 years and been better than Wade in 2006 and 2011????

 

[Les W]

Dumbfuck, go check the FIRST PLACE VOTES. I said he topped him in THAT category. Learn how to read. And stop trying to trump me. You're way too emotional and irrational for that.

I'll do it for your lazy, dimwitted ass:

lol so says the person spewing personal attacks, profanity and doing the name calling ... but I am the one who's too emotional tho right .....

Ok yeah I musta I read your post wrong ... you are right .... I fell for your trap and now I'm troll food

 

[Les W]

...being a "closer" isn't a team thing , but an individual thing...other than Kobe who has been closing anything in the last 5-6 years and been better than Wade in 2006 and 2011????

I think Wade is a really good player but people keep calling this dude a great closer based on his finals performance 5 years ago. Dude hasnt even been in position to close any meaningful games over the past 5 years and he still getting "royalties" for 2006. For both Wade and Lebrons all time status to be top 10 the Heat have to dominate with 3-4 championships over the next 5 years.

He's been the best player on the court in the biggest games of his career ... what more of a closer do you need proof of

 

[BDR]

Top right right now will be top 3 or 2 when its all said and done.

 

[Blunt]

Top right right now will be top 3 or 2 when its all said and done.

He'll never rise above Jordan and West (that's just not possible), and most likely won't be regarded as having a better career than Kobe. His goal is to solidify a spot in the Top 5.

 

[cranrab]

Hell, look at cranrab. Do you think, if he guarded Kobe, he'd guard him more intensely than any player in the league? Of course he would.

actually, you couldn't be more incorrect. and that's why your basketball knowledge is a miserable failure.

tobe is a self-check.

i would let him (and encourage him) to shoot as much as possible. surely after YEARS of reading my posts, you would know this by now. would you? oh wait.

@ you suggesting tobe's FG% is low because he's defended more intensely. the TRUTH and the FACT is that tobe's FG% is low because he takes moronic FGAs.

end of story.

 

[MongoSlade23]

actually, you couldn't be more incorrect. and that's why your basketball knowledge is a miserable failure.

tobe is a self-check.

i would let him (and encourage him) to shoot as much as possible. surely after YEARS of reading my posts, you would know this by now. would you? oh wait.

@ you suggesting tobe's FG% is low because he's defended more intensely. the TRUTH and the FACT is that tobe's FG% is low because he takes moronic FGAs.

end of story.

I can't understand how they don't see this. Baby Bean is covered one on one most of the time. Right-side 18 footer is the only time he's doubled.

 

[Spectrum]

I can't understand how they don't see this. Baby Bean is covered one on one most of the time. Right-side 18 footer is the only time he's doubled.

Because most fans dont know the difference between double-teams and help defense.

 

[8SD8-retired_member]

Cranrab, I'm sure Kobe would give you seventy.

...in the first quarter.

As for you saying Kobe isn't guarded more intensely, I don't ever expect you to admit to that. That would go against your entire agenda. Nigga, you said Kobe COULD go down as a top 100 role player when he retires.



Anyway...

... it has been stated on more than one occasion that guys take guarding Kobe a lot more seriously than most other players. Do some homework, and you'll find that many of the guys who've had to guard Kobe will TELL you this.

I'll give ya'll that Kobe isn't Jordan, but all this other shit ya'll talkin' I can't entertain. Too many people, with far more understanding of the game have said shit that coincide with my opinions...

....and I'm going to roll with that. Hell, motherfuckers are shitting on Jordan lately, which proves it's all how you prefer to look at things.


The only think cranrab says that I agree with is Kobe takes horrible FGA's. However, I can remember AT LEAST five defenders who said they go extra hard when guarding Kobe.

Shit, let Michael Peitrus and some other dudes tell you, I don't have the energy anymore...





Where is the video of you being called the best in the league by ANYONE? When has anyone ever compared you to the best at your POSITION, let alone the best to ever play the game?

 

[cranrab]

Yeah In the NBA you need two superstars to win the title

who were the 2 superstars for the pistons?

 

[cranrab]

other than Kobe who has been closing anything in the last 5-6 years

such as?

 

[cranrab]

Shit, let Michael Peitrus and some other dudes tell you, I don't have the energy anymore...

thanks for always proving my point.

youtube and wikipedia are the bedrock of your basketball knowledge.

bravo.

since you were never in a decent college athletic program (much less a rookie in the NBA), you wouldn't recognize a canned media response.

again, bravo.

 

[Spectrum]

who were the 2 superstars for the pistons?

Coach Brown never gets the credit for this. That was a profound accomplishment.

 

[cranrab]

Best SG since Jordan and he's held the top spot since 2005-2006.

He'll go down as #2 or #3 if he keeps this up. (Michael Jordan, Jerry West)

jerry west and coach winter agree with this.

 

[cranrab]

Coach Brown never gets the credit for this. That was a profound accomplishment.

nor does he get credit for enticing and allowing tobe to shoot the fakers out of the series.

 

[MongoSlade23]

thanks for always proving my point.

youtube and wikipedia are the bedrock of your basketball knowledge.

bravo.

since you were never in a decent college athletic program (much less a rookie in the NBA), you wouldn't recognize a canned media response.again, bravo.

Thang cran, kid gonna start having flashbacks and swear off basketball again.

 

[Spectrum]

nor does he get credit for enticing and allowing tobe to shoot the fakers out of the series.

Nope. I try to tell people, as a Pistons fan who was still living in Detroit at the time, that this was a theory that was applied in real play. The strategy was to do anything to keep the ball from Shaq and Coach Brown discussed, even in the local media, to bait them into jump shots...Kobe was a willing participant. But a lot of people thought that was by accident. That was a game plan.

 

[cranrab]

Wade played a fair amount of games that year so I don't wanna hear that bullshit about how hurt he was. I know damn well he played more than the 15-17 games they won that year.

for the record, the miami heat were 10-39 in games dwyane wade started. some of his fellow starters were chris quinn, mark blount, anfernee hardway, and dorrell wright.

10-41 overall in games dwyane wade played.

that means the heat were 5-26 in games played without dwyane wade.

 

[cranrab]

Wright played the same position as Wade. He's getting a chance to shine.
Beasley is nut case. Doesn't play d. He looks like he's doing better because he's on a shitty team.

i think the emphasized sentence is true for both players you mentioned.