Pitbulls should be banned

They don't know.

This guy uses a pitbull(formerly Redman's dog) to help rehabilitate other dogs:



Watch the Dog Whisperer and you'll change your minds. A couple of years ago I probably would have been co-signing this thread.

This is what this guy does for a living. Not only is his dog a pet, its his job. He's a expert in the field and what he does what his dog does not negate the countless instances and incidents of pitbulls attacking others. How many Dog whisperers are in the hood?

Also, Daddy is a mixed breed pitbull.
 
This is what this guy does for a living. Not only is his dog a pet, its his job. He's a expert in the field and what he does what his dog does not negate the countless instances and incidents of pitbulls attacking others. How many Dog whisperers are in the hood?

Also, Daddy is a mixed breed pitbull.

Yes, but those instances are directly related to the owner.
 
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Yes, but those instances are directly related to the owner.
Partially. But mainly its the dog being the dog. Dogs differ (generally) by breed. If this breed (pitbulls) is not catered to and put in ideal situations to be exercised, socialized, disciplined and trained then they will revert back to their natural instincts and nature. Unfortunately in the case of the pitbull this nature and instinct is one of aggression and violence more often than not. Where other breeds respond different or less aggressively to certain situations, the pitbull will usually respond with aggression. Its in their nature/blood.
 
I don't believe you should and can legally ban the dogs. But the govt. should make sure the people who are getting certain dogs have been properly trained. On top of that make sure that they carry supplemental insurance in case someone is injured during an attack. I don't blame knifes, guns, drugs or cars when people are killed and I don't blame the dog. It's really up to the owners to be responsible and know the how to handle certain breeds.
 
I don't believe you should and can legally ban the dogs. But the govt. should make sure the people who are getting certain dogs have been properly trained. On top of that make sure that they carry supplemental insurance in case someone is injured during an attack. I don't blame knifes, guns, drugs or cars when people are killed and I don't blame the dog. It's really up to the owners to be responsible and know the how to handle certain breeds.

they are legally banned in some counties
 
I don't believe you should and can legally ban the dogs. But the govt. should make sure the people who are getting certain dogs have been properly trained. On top of that make sure that they carry supplemental insurance in case someone is injured during an attack. I don't blame knifes, guns, drugs or cars when people are killed and I don't blame the dog. It's really up to the owners to be responsible and know the how to handle certain breeds.
Actually you can ban dogs. What you cant do is ban certain people from owning them. It amounts to discrimination
at worse and its almost impossible to enforce or keep up with at best. Since the issue is for the protection of human beings its much easier to simply ban them all together. Human life is more important than ones percieved right to own a dog. I would also point to a huge difference between this and weapons/objects which cause human injury. A gun, knife, car, drugs, etc. cannot operate or cause injury on their own. They are all inanimate objects predicated on a humans direct operation in order to cause incident. Its much easier to control and prosecute the individual in these instances than it is with pet ownership.
 
Why won't blacks defend golden retrievers and other non tough looking dogs? Why are blacks so obsessed with defending these retarded mutts? Why don't any of you want a Lab or something? Admit it, you want a pitbull so that you can feel like a tough guy.
 
Razors Edge "The Bloodline"

Welcome to Razors Edge, the home of the original American Bully.
This is where it all began, the breed, the movement, and the lifestyle.

In the late eighties Pits and Staffs did not look like the Razors Edge dogs of today. The styles were divided into three different worlds. ADBA dogs which catered more towards the original game Pits. UKC dogs who took the Pit Bull into more of a showing direction. The AKC who changed the breed into the American Staffordshire Terrier, and went into a completely different show world. All three types stemmed from the original breed, The American Pit Bull Terrier, but all three styles had moved into very different directions.

We saw the beauty in them all, but we wanted more. We wanted the drive and muscularity of the original Pits. We wanted the size and substance of the show Pits. We wanted a mellower demeanor and clean look of the Staffs, and the beautiful blue color we had only seen in them. We wanted something all the styles possessed, but with and extra Edge. We wanted Bully! There were already Bully styles within the breed, but none possessed the ultimate look we were searching for, and none consistently produced this look. This is how the concept for the look of Razors Edge began.

We wanted to produce heavier built dogs with heavy bone structure. More of the Bullier look. The breed was created by a cross of Terrier and Bulldog, and we wanted more of the Bully structure. (NOT re-introduce Bulldogs, but breed to pull heavier traits from within the existing breed. Mix breeding was NEVER an idea or option! You can breed for traits already prevalent to pull desired genes. Contrary to rumors, only Pits and Staffs which came from the same original American Pit Bull Terrier were used in the creation Razors Edge, NEVER another breed.)

We also wanted a hard look, a head that was bricked in shaped with a hard chiseled look, and short blocky muzzle. Size was important and we bred to create larger harder looking heads. Our concept was breed to produce females that look like males; hence one of our quotes, "The place where females out do other kennels males".

Fighting dogs for sport was illegal and we wanted to take the breed into a different direction, for the purpose of being the Ultimate companions. So we wanted to keep what we felt were the best characteristics of the breed. The stability behind the breed was its loyalty to its owners. We wanted to keep the stability with children and their families that the breed possessed. A breed so tolerant with children that it would never harm a child no matter how rough a child played or handled the dogs. A breed that would never bite the hand that feeds them, and know who its family is, and protect them under all circumstances. A breed that's only desire is to please its family. The only breed that loves to please its family so much, it does so with a smile on their face and eagerness to please in their eyes! The breed already possessed the temperament traits to be the Ultimate companion, and these were traits that had to carry on into the Razors Edge dogs.

By 1990 Razors Edge was finally mastered in its entirety, and the Bloodline was introduced to the world. For the first time there was a new look an attitude in the breed. Razors Edge began advertising the line in ways that have forever changed the way people describe the dogs today. "Home of the bone, heavy bone with substance, blocky brick shaped heads, dogs built with heavy bone and large heads but without compromise to movement, powerfully built dogs with full body muscularity from head to tail", the Bully look had begun.

A new look began and a new following of fanciers entered the breed. The difference in this mix of fanciers was its youthfulness and diversity. For once people got involved into doing something positive with their dogs that might not have done so before. This is the true beauty of Razors Edge! The dogs and the movement appealed to people who might not have been doing something positive with their dogs, for once they had an opportunity to be involved. There was no judging and no stereotyping, you could be yourself and enjoy your dogs, and do something positive. The following and movement grew, and the diversity of the fanciers became the beauty of the movement. Never before had people seen this diversity of people all in unity, all doing something positive, and all having fun. Razors Edge began having weekend BBQ's where people would bring their dogs, music would be playing, good food, and a mix of people who all dropped their shields to come together and just be people, and just enjoy the dogs.

Razors Edge has been misunderstood by people unwilling to see the beauty within. They look at the crowds and label people as thugs and other negative stereotypes, but that is ignorance and a serious misunderstanding. Razors Edge is for everyone wanting to do something positive for the breed. Razors Edge is for people who don't want to bow down or conform to the norm. Razors Edge is for people who do what they feel is right, not harming anyone or doing anything negative, but standing up for what they believe in and keeping a strong momentum into a positive direction. For looking past differences and seeing the beauty in diversity, for coming together for a common interest, for doing something positive for people and the breed! Razors Edge breaks beyond barriers of Race, Religion, and Region to bring people together for the love of their dogs. Razors Edge is a bloodline for anyone who fancies it, but much more it's a movement created by everyone who chooses to be involved. Razors Edge has opened doors which had been shut to certain people in the past.

Razors Edge is about RESPECT! Respecting people and respecting the breed!

As time went on people at certain shows did not want to see the diversity of people, and changed rules and standards to exclude the look of the dogs of these styles. People were turned away and made to feel unaccepted. So we went and created a place for us all and our dogs, so we could do what we felt was right for us and our style of the breed. We had already been calling our dogs the slang name "bullies", so we decided to add American to the name and claim it as our own. The following had grown, new bloodlines of this style began to grow as well as Razors Edge, and a new era began, the era of the American Bully.

The original Pit Bull was America's first true breed, they were used as our countries mascot in WW1, we grew up loving and watching Petey from the Lil Rascals, even a Pit Bull resided in the White House with President Teddy Roosevelt.

The American Pit Bull Terrier was America's first true breed.

Once the sport of dog fighting which our country had placed the breed in became illegal, the country turned its back on its own breed. A breed which would never turn its back on its country or family, and would never waiver from any task asked of it, was now forgotten and pushed into the shadows. The breed became an eye soar of the nation and deemed public enemy number 1. A breed that had done no wrong to its family or Nation, its only flaw was pleasing its owners and performing the tasks asked of them. The traits of loyalty and stability were forgotten and the breed became under seize by the nation of its creation.

There are now laws all across the Nation banning the breed. These laws are called BSL's, Breed Specific Legislations, which are laws banning certain breeds of dogs? Laws created against what our Nation was founded on, Free rights! Not only has our Nation abandoned its own breed, but it now has chosen to discriminate against the breed. A Nation with laws created to protect against discrimination, now has created laws based on discrimination!

Razors Edge is here to fight against these BSL's, and reintroduce the breed to the Nation who created it. To help rebuild the respect the breed deserves and to restore the honor to Americas true breed.

Dog fighting is illegal, so Razors Edge bred away from that trait and task. Pit Fighting is illegal, so we removed that part of the breeds name. Our dogs were created to be more of the bullier style in the breed, so we kept that part of the original name. We added the name of its nation back, and we gave the breed a new purpose, to be the ultimate companion, we reintroduce our nations breed with a new look and purpose, and new respect as The American Bully.

This is what Razors Edge stands behind, never to NOT acknowledge the past of the breed, never to disrespect the dogs that made out breed; only to give a new look and direction to the breed. To give a positive direction for people to promote the breed, and to come together in unity regardless of differences, appearances, or beliefs. Razors Edge was created for and by everyone, and Razors Edge respects everyone, and all styles of the breed. Razors Edge stands behind everyone and most important the American Bully. People can say this line and that line were used to create Razors Edge, but only Razors Edge look like Razors Edge. People can change the name of the line and try and call it their own, but you know when you see a Razors Edge dog, its still Razors Edge. You cant deny the line that created the dogs and created the movement. A movement that is now a lifestyle!

Razors Edge backs the registry that was created for us all and our dogs, and the only registry for the American Bully, The A.B.K.C.

The registry created for us all to give us a way to promote our dogs positively, to protect our breed, and to validate the American Bully. You may come across many imposters, hear many rumors, come across many people that try to discredit what we are; but, we will never waiver from what we believe in, and no one will stop the movement we all created. Razors Edge will continue progress in a positive direction and will continue to be for everyone. The lifestyle and movement grow day by day, and the dogs we all love continue to gain respect. Razors Edge is yours!

Thank you for the time taken to find out what and who Razors Edge truly is, we thank everyone for the support, and we RESPECT everyone who does right by the breed and by people, no matter the style or differences, we are one... Respect

Razors Edge "Where it all Began"
 
i have a girl pit 75% razor edge 25% grayline that wont harm anybody or anything hell i came home and the meter man was in my fence changing the meter and she was just sitting by him then a lil boy in my hood had both of my pits out of my fence talking bout he fixn 2 walkem had 2 go by a lock cause round my way pits are the most stolen dogs of any breed had 2 100% razor edge one died of parvo and one was stolen at 5mo. my neighbor had 2 that was stolen at1 1/2 years old so dont ban the pits ban the backyard breeders that breed mama and son daughter and fathers just for fighting!!! know the bloodline and what you are getting some breed just for fighting others dont some breed for show!
 
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Every dog been throuhg that shit. At one point German Shepards were the Dangerous breed, then Rotweilers, now pits.

Find me 5 stories about pitbulls attacking and I guarantee you the root of it had to do with a irresponsible or malicious owner that abused them, or someone who did some real stupid shit like leaving a baby in a back yard alone with a dog.

Pits are the most loyal dogs you can have.


Have you ever seen a pitbull being used as a police dog ? Ask yourself why ? The answer is because they are stupid aggressive dogs which were bred to fight bulls hence the name pitbulls
 
Why won't blacks defend golden retrievers and other non tough looking dogs? Why are blacks so obsessed with defending these retarded mutts? Why don't any of you want a Lab or something? Admit it, you want a pitbull so that you can feel like a tough guy.

Why the fuck does everything have to be a black thing? 75% of the pitbull breeders I've met in my lifetime are white or hispanic. There are more than black people who are pit lovers.
 
My friend's dad was attacked by two pitbuls that got through their fence. You'd think I'd be weary of them but every pit i've come to contact with have been maaaaaad cool. I guess it depends on who's raising them and if they're in an environment that's stoic.
 
Your full of shit fam. There isn't one dog on this earth that is going to pass the muthafuck'n SAT test. Pits are loyal animals to the death. Most live to please their master and if they are trained right and given the proper nutrition they are excellent family animals. Crack a book open fam and do your research instead of spilling out ignorance to try and sound inteligent. If they are all a danger to society, then why the fuck arent they all attacking people dumbass? I take my dogs to the park every week. If your theory is true I should have caught atleast 20 cases by now. GTFOH!!



1.How do you explain this attack from such a "loyal dog" :

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,299207,00.html


2.A loyal dog which has a track record of attacking its owner without being provoked ? Just run a Google search saying Pitbull kills owner and see how many credible results you get.
 
No one I know has a pitbull anymore. I'm glad no one in my building has a pitbull. I've seen Yorkies, Golden retrievers, Shih Tzus', and a few other breeds. I love my dog.
 
They don't know.

This guy uses a pitbull(formerly Redman's dog) to help rehabilitate other dogs:



Watch the Dog Whisperer and you'll change your minds. A couple of years ago I probably would have been co-signing this thread.


1.Cesar Millan is a dog expert and few people can replicate what he did to this dog.

2. Your argument doesn't hold much water if you consider that they are people who have successfully domesticated wild animals like lions BUT that does take away the fact that lions are dangerous animals.
 
1.How do you explain this attack from such a "loyal dog" :

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,299207,00.html


2.A loyal dog which has a track record of attacking its owner without being provoked ? Just run a Google search saying Pitbull kills owner and see how many credible results you get.

Do a search of how many people are killed by guns, Should we ban guns?

Do a search of plane crashes, should we ban planes?

Do a search of how many people die from heart disease because of bad diets, Should we ban fast food?

Do a search of how many people die from Lung Cancer, Should we ban Cigarettes?

Responsible owners don't get fucked up and their dogs don't kill other people. If they did, I'd be dead by now, and so would every other pitbull owner.

Oh yeah, for all you bitches and your pit bull attack reports. Guess what, pits arent the only dogs that attack. Here take a look Geniuses:


http://cbs5.com/pets/belmont.labrador.retriever.2.446492.html
http://www.dogsbite.org/blog/2007/12/labrador-attacks-boy-day-before.html
http://www.bestgore.com/medical/isabelle-dinoire-photos-labrador-dog-attack-face-transplant/

http://www.wickedlocal.com/burlington/news/x529237455/Pet-attacks-owner-in-Burlington
 
Have you ever seen a pitbull being used as a police dog ? Ask yourself why ? The answer is because they are stupid aggressive dogs which were bred to fight bulls hence the name pitbulls

Sixty years ago a delightful gang of kids romped across movie screens accompanied in their antics by their faithful dog Petey, a sturdy white pooch with a colored patch over one eye. Petey performed a remarkable array of tricks to help the kids in and out of scrapes -- all in all, he was the consummate childrens' pet.

The original Petey was Lucenay's Peter, a purebred dog registered as an American Pit Bull Terrier with the United Kennel Club and as one of the 50 original Staffordshire Terriers accepted into the American Kennel Club. Whichever breed name is claimed for Petey, one thing is certain; today this dog could not be kept within many city limits without facing arrest and euthanasia. American Pit Bull Terriers, American Staffordshire Terriers, and Staffordshire Bull Terriers are outlaws by city ordinance as vicious dogs.

The American Pit Bull Terrier has a long history as a dog of the common man, and it is from his basic stock that the AKC's AmStaffs and Staffs developed.
History

In 1835 the British Parliament outlawed bull baiting, a sadistic gambling game in which bulldogs were used to attack and harass bulls brought to market with the dubious intention of tenderizing the meat. The dog would assault the bull, avoid the stomping hooves and slashing horns, grab a tender nose or ear, and hang on until the bull collapsed. Commoners and royalty alike sought diversion from the violence and diseases of their day by attending these bloody spectacles until a public outcry forced Parliament to take a stand.

Once bull baiting was banned, dog breeders who appreciated the fierceness, courage, and tenacity of the bull dogs turned their attentions to breeding dogs for dog fighting. They began with the bull dog, mixed in some terrier blood, and produced the Bull and Terrier, a dog that met all of their expectations. The Bull and Terrier was bred for aggression to other dogs, unrelenting bravery, a high pain threshold, a willingness to fight to the end, and an affection for people.

Bull and Terrier dogs came to the US in the early 1800s as all-around farm dogs and frontier guardians. Samuel Clemons featured a pup of this breed in his short book The Celebrated Jumping Frog of Calaveras County.

The United Kennel Club recognized the Bull and Terrier Dog as the American Pit Bull Terrier in 1898. Buster Brown shoes put its mascot in every shoe with the image of Tige, an American Pit Bull Terrier, to enhance its image as a sturdy, dependable shoe. RCA used Nipper, a pit bull of unknown ancestry, to illustrate the clarity of sound emanating from its phonograph -- after all, it could fool the loyal pit bull into thinking he heard "his master's voice" in person. The breed was used to illustrate American neutrality without fear in 1914, the toughness of Levi jeans, and as a"defender of Old Glory."

The AKC eschewed breeds called "pit bulls" until 1936, when it recognized the American Pit Bull Terrier under the alias Staffordshire Terrier, named after the miners of Staffordshire, England, who had a hand in developing the breed for the fighting pit. The name was changed in 1972 to the American Staffordshire Terrier to distinguish the breed from the Staffordshire Bull Terrier of England, the ancestor of the American dogs, which was recognized by AKC in 1974. The British version of the dog is 14-16 inches tall and weighs up to 45 pounds. The American cousin is 18-19 inches tall and weighs up to 80 pounds. UKC's American Pit Bull Terrier is preferred to range from 30-60 pounds with females generally, but not necessarily, smaller than males.

Staffs, AmStaffs, and APBTs produced by responsible breeders are bred for temperament. Many dogs of these breeds are therapy dogs; some do quite well in obedience, and one -- Bandog Dread HIC, VB, SchH 1, CD -- even has a herding title. Another, Solomon J. Grundy, is a service dog for quadriplegic owner Arvid Kuhnle of Saskatoon, Canada, and Bullitt, was shown on the 1985 Easter Seals poster with his owner, Gordy Ranberg of Genesee, Michigan.
So what happened?

The American Pit Bull Terrier and its AKC cousins had a well- deserved reputation as a loyal and trustworthy family pet in the early years of this century, but of late has been severely castigated as a vicious, man-killing beast, worthy of banishment from the cities, considered guilty with no chance of proving innocence in any case.

"Pit bull" is a generic and derogatory term that encompasses any of several breeds of dogs or crosses on those breeds. Pit Bull fanciers can be divided into several camps: conscientious breeders of the AKC-registered duo who often deny kinship of their dogs with the APBT; ethical breeders of the APBT who face squarely the slander heaped upon them by ignorant neighbors; and unethical breeders of all three breeds who still indulge in dog fighting or promote aggressive temperaments for illegal purposes. Dog fighting rings still exist--it's only been a few years since a ring with national ties was busted in New Richmond and Blanchester, Ohio--and inner city drug dealers often use the dogs to guard their drug supplies and cash.

To further complicate matters, those who still breed for fighting are not as careful to preserve the dog's strong instinct to bond with humans as the early breeders did. So, today "pit bull" is a pejorative term that strikes fear in the hearts of many and leads to the spreading of urban legends about dogs with locking jaws that exert 20 thousand pounds of pressure, unstable breed temperament, and overwhelming human aggression.

In fact, the well-bred American Pit Bull Terrier is a family guardian and protector; an intelligent and obedient pet; a sweet, even-tempered dog that serves well as a help-mate to handicapped owner and friend to small children; and a healthy, hardy dog that complains little and of
 
Do a search of how many people are killed by guns, Should we ban guns?

Do a search of plane crashes, should we ban planes?

Do a search of how many people die from heart disease because of bad diets, Should we ban fast food?

Do a search of how many people die from Lung Cancer, Should we ban Cigarettes?

Responsible owners don't get fucked up and their dogs don't kill other people. If they did, I'd be dead by now, and so would every other pitbull owner.

Oh yeah, for all you bitches and your pit bull attack reports. Guess what, pits arent the only dogs that attack. Here take a look Geniuses:


http://cbs5.com/pets/belmont.labrador.retriever.2.446492.html
http://www.dogsbite.org/blog/2007/12/labrador-attacks-boy-day-before.html
http://www.bestgore.com/medical/isabelle-dinoire-photos-labrador-dog-attack-face-transplant/

http://www.wickedlocal.com/burlington/news/x529237455/Pet-attacks-owner-in-Burlington


1. Yes we should ban guns :yes::yes::yes::yes::yes::yes::yes::yes:

2. Planes are a necessity to our civilization you can't compare them to a pit bulls. The logical response to plane crashes is the regulation of the aviation industry

3. We should try to discourage eating unhealthy foods like french fries. That is why in New York they proposed a junk food tax.

4. Yes we should ban smoking especially in public areas or in a car with young kids. In other countries the crack down on the tobacco industry has been swift it is high time the US catches up in this regard.
 
American Pit Bull Terrier History



You will see the term APBT used, it stands for American Pit Bull Terrier.

Among enthusiasts, the history of the APBT is as controversial as the breed itself is among the misled public. The breed's history is a recurrent subject of lively debate in the magazines devoted to the breed. In fact, this FAQ was hotly debated among the contributors before it reached its final form, and still everyone isn't 100% happy!

Although the precise origin of the APBT is not known, we can reliably trace its roots back at least one hundred and fifty years or so [1] to England. During the late 18th and early 19th centuries the sport of bull-baiting was very much alive and dogs were bred to excel in this endeavor. The same type of dog was also used by hunters to catch game and by butchers and farmers to bring down unruly cattle. These dogs were called "bulldogs." Historically, the word "Bulldog" did not mean a specific breed of dog per se, but rather it was applied to descendants of the ancient Mastiff- type dogs that excelled in the task of bull-baiting. The "bulldogs" of yore were much different from, and should not be confused with, the loveable clowns of the show ring today. The old, performance-bred, working bulldog was closer in phenotype and spirit to the APBT and/or the modern American Bulldog. The use of the word "bulldog" applied to APBT's persists even today among APBT fanciers.

When bull-baiting was outlawed in England in 1835 the sport of matching two dogs against one another in combat rose in popularity to fill the void. One point of contention about the history of the APBT is whether these pit fighting dogs were essentially a new breed of dog specially created for this popular pastime. Some authors, notably Richard Stratton, have theorized that the APBT is essentially the same breed as the Renaissiance bull-baiting dogs, largely unmixed with any other kind of dog, specifically terriers. These authors consider the present name, American Pit Bull Terrier, a double misnomer, since, in their view, the breed is not of American origin and is not a terrier.

They explain the popular attribution of the breed's origin to a cross between bull-baiters and terriers as a retrospective confusion with the breeding history of the English Bull Terrier, which is a totally distinct breed that was never successful at pit fighting but whose origin is well-documented. Other authors who have researched the topic, such as Dr. Carl Semencic, argue that the APBT is indeed the product of a cross between bull-baiting dogs and terriers and that the breed simply did not exist in its current form during the Renaissance. They would argue that when we think of the terriers in the APBT's ancestry, we should not envision modern-day show dogs like Yorkshire Terriers, but instead working terriers (probably now extinct) that were bred for great tenacity in hunting. The problem of proof, which hangs over the discussion of any early breed history, is compounded in this case by the extreme secrecy of the breeders of pit dogs. In the 19th century pedigrees, if committed to paper at all, were not divulged, since every breeder feared letting his rivals in on the secrets of his success and replicating it. In any case, by no later than the mid-19th century, the breed had acquired all of the essential characteristics for which it is still prized today: its awesome athletic abilities, its peerless gameness, and its easy-going temperament.

The immediate ancestors of the APBT were Irish and English pit fighting dogs imported to the States in the mid-19th century. Once in the United States, the breed diverged slightly from what was being produced back in England and Ireland. In America, where these dogs were used not only as pit fighters, but also as catch dogs (i.e., for forcibly retrieving stray hogs and cattle) and as guardians of family, the breeders started producing a slightly larger, leggier dog. However, this gain in size and weight was small until very recently. The Old Family Dogs in 19th century Ireland were rarely above 25 lbs., and 15-lb. dogs were not uncommon. In American books on the breed from the early part of this century, it is rare to find a specimen over 50 lbs. (with a few notable exceptions). From 1900 to 1975 or so, there was probably a very small and gradual increment in the average weight of APBTs over the years, without any corresponding loss in performance abilities. But now that the vast majority of APBTs are no longer performance-bred to the traditional pit standard (understandably, since the traditional performance test, the pit contest itself, is now a felony), the American axiom of "Bigger is Better" has taken over in the breeding practices of the many neophyte breeders who joined the bandwagon of the dog's popularity in the 1980s. This has resulted in a ballooning of the average size of APBTs in the last 15 years--a harmful phenomenon for the breed, in our opinion. Another, less visible modification of the breed since the 19th century was the selective intensification of genetically programmed fighting styles (such as front-end specialists, stifle specialists, etc.), as performance breeding became more sophisticated under competitive pressures. In spite of these changes, there has been a remarkable continuity in the breed for more than a century. Photos from a century ago show dogs indistinguishable from the dogs being bred today. Although, as in any performance breed, you will find a certain lateral (synchronic) variability in phenotype across different lines, you will nevertheless find uncanny chronological continuity in these types across decades. There are photos of pit dogs from the 1860s that are phenotypically (and, to judge by contemporary descriptions of pit matches, constitutionally) identical to the APBTs of today.

Throughout the 19th century, these dogs were known by a variety of names. "Pit Terriers", "Pit Bull Terriers", "Half and Half's", "Staffordshire Fighting Dogs", "Old Family Dogs"( the Irish name), "Yankee Terriers" (the Northern name), and "Rebel Terriers" (the Southern name) to name a few. In 1898, a man by the name of Chauncy Bennet formed the United Kennel Club (UKC) for the sole purpose of registering "Pit Bull Terriers" as the American Kennel Club wanted nothing to do with them. Originally, he added the word "American" to the name and dropped "Pit". This didn't please all of the people so later the word "Pit" was added back to the name in parentheses as a compromise. The parentheses were then removed from the name about 15 years ago. All other breeds that are registered with UKC were accepted into the UKC after the APBT. Another registry of APBTs is the American Dog Breeders Association (ADBA) which was started in September, 1909 by Guy McCord, a close friend of John P. Colby. Now under the stewardship of the Greenwood family, the ADBA continues to register only APBTs and is more in tune with the APBT as a breed than the UKC. The ADBA does sponsor conformations shows, but more importantly, it sponsors weight pulling competitions which test a dogs strength, stamina, and heart. It also publishes a quarterly magazine dedicated to the APBT called the American Pit Bull Terrier Gazette (see the "References" section). The authors feel that the ADBA is now the flagship registry of APBT as it is doing more to preserve the original characteristics of the breed.

In 1936, thanks to "Pete the Pup" in the "Lil Rascals" and "Our Gang" who familiarized a widerThe Lovable Petey and the rest of Our Gang audience with the APBT, the AKC jumped on the bandwagon and registered the breed as the "Staffordshire Terrier". This name was changed to "American Staffordshire Terrier" (AST) in 1972 to distinguish it from its smaller, "froggier", English cousin the Staffordshire Bull Terrier. In 1936, for all intents and purposes, the AKC, UKC, and ADBA version of the "Pit Bull" were identical since the original AKC stock came from pit fighting dogs, which were UKC and ADBA registered. During this time period, and the years that preceded it, the APBT was a well-liked dog in America. At this time the APBT was considered an ideal family pet. Because of his fun-loving, forgiving temperament, the breed was rightly considered an excellent dog for families with small children. Even if most of them couldn't identify the breed by name, kids of the Lil Rascals generation wanted a companion just like "Pete the Pup". During the First World War, there was an American propaganda poster that represented the rival European nations with their national dogs dressed in military uniforms; and in the center representing the United States was an APBT declaring in a caption below: "I'm neutral, but not afraid of any of them.

Since 1936, due to different breeding goals, the American Staffordshire Terrier and the American Pit Bull Terrier have diverged in both phenotype and spirit/temperament, although both, ideally, continue to have in common an easy-going, friendly disposition. [2] Some folks in the fancy feel that after 60 years of breeding for different goals, these two dogs are now entirely different breeds. Other people choose to view them as two different strains of the same breed (working and show). Either way, the gap continues to widen as breeders from both sides of the fence consider it undesirable to interbreed the two. To the untrained eye, ASTs may look more impressive and fearsome, with a larger and more blocky head, with bulging jaw muscles, a wider chest and thicker neck. In general, however, they aren't nearly as "game" or athletic as game-bred APBTs. Because of the standardization of their conformation for show purposes, ASTs tend to look alike, to a much greater degree than APBTs do. APBTs have a much wider phenotypical range, since the primary breeding goal, until fairly recently, has been not to produce a dog with a certain "look" but to produce one capable of winning pit contests, in which the looks of a dog counted for nothing. There are some game-bred APBTs that are practically indistinguishable from typical ASTs, but in general they are leaner, leggier, and lighter on their toes and have more stamina, agility, speed, and explosive power.

Following the second World War, until the early 1980s, the APBT lapsed into relative obscurity. But those devoted few who knew the breed knew it in intimate detail. These devotees typically knew much more about their dogs' ancestry than about their own--they were often able to recite pedigrees back six or eight generations. When APBTs became popular with the public around 1980, nefarious individuals with little or no knowledge of the breed started to own and breed them and predictably, problems started to crop up. Many of these newcomers did not adhere to the traditional breeding goals of the old-time APBT breeders. In typical backyard fashion they began randomly breeding dogs in order to mass produce puppies as profitable commodities. Worse, some unscrupulous neophytes started selecting dogs for exactly the opposite criteria that had prevailed up to then: they began selectively breeding dogs for the trait of human aggressiveness. Before long, individuals who shouldn't have been allowed near a gold fish were owning and producing poorly bred, human-aggressive "Pit Bulls" for a mass market. This, coupled with the media's propensity for over-simplification and sensationalization, gave rise to the anti-"Pit Bull" hysteria that continues to this day. It should go without saying that, especially with this breed, you should avoid backyard breeders. Find a breeder with a national reputation; investigate, for example, the breeders who advertise in the breed's flagship magazine, The American Pit Bull Terrier Gazette. In spite of the introduction of some bad breeding practices in the last 15 years or so, the vast majority of APBTs remain very human-friendly. The American Canine Temperament Testing Association, which sponsors tests for temperament titles for dogs, reported that 95% of all APBTs that take the test pass, compared with a 77% passing rate for all breeds on average. The APBT's passing rate was the fourth highest of all the breeds tested.

Copyright © 1993, 1994, 1995, 1996 by Michael Bur
 
American Pit Bull Terrier History



You will see the term APBT used, it stands for American Pit Bull Terrier.

Among enthusiasts, the history of the APBT is as controversial as the breed itself is among the misled public. The breed's history is a recurrent subject of lively debate in the magazines devoted to the breed. In fact, this FAQ was hotly debated among the contributors before it reached its final form, and still everyone isn't 100% happy!

Although the precise origin of the APBT is not known, we can reliably trace its roots back at least one hundred and fifty years or so [1] to England. During the late 18th and early 19th centuries the sport of bull-baiting was very much alive and dogs were bred to excel in this endeavor. The same type of dog was also used by hunters to catch game and by butchers and farmers to bring down unruly cattle. These dogs were called "bulldogs." Historically, the word "Bulldog" did not mean a specific breed of dog per se, but rather it was applied to descendants of the ancient Mastiff- type dogs that excelled in the task of bull-baiting. The "bulldogs" of yore were much different from, and should not be confused with, the loveable clowns of the show ring today. The old, performance-bred, working bulldog was closer in phenotype and spirit to the APBT and/or the modern American Bulldog. The use of the word "bulldog" applied to APBT's persists even today among APBT fanciers.

When bull-baiting was outlawed in England in 1835 the sport of matching two dogs against one another in combat rose in popularity to fill the void. One point of contention about the history of the APBT is whether these pit fighting dogs were essentially a new breed of dog specially created for this popular pastime. Some authors, notably Richard Stratton, have theorized that the APBT is essentially the same breed as the Renaissiance bull-baiting dogs, largely unmixed with any other kind of dog, specifically terriers. These authors consider the present name, American Pit Bull Terrier, a double misnomer, since, in their view, the breed is not of American origin and is not a terrier.

They explain the popular attribution of the breed's origin to a cross between bull-baiters and terriers as a retrospective confusion with the breeding history of the English Bull Terrier, which is a totally distinct breed that was never successful at pit fighting but whose origin is well-documented. Other authors who have researched the topic, such as Dr. Carl Semencic, argue that the APBT is indeed the product of a cross between bull-baiting dogs and terriers and that the breed simply did not exist in its current form during the Renaissance. They would argue that when we think of the terriers in the APBT's ancestry, we should not envision modern-day show dogs like Yorkshire Terriers, but instead working terriers (probably now extinct) that were bred for great tenacity in hunting. The problem of proof, which hangs over the discussion of any early breed history, is compounded in this case by the extreme secrecy of the breeders of pit dogs. In the 19th century pedigrees, if committed to paper at all, were not divulged, since every breeder feared letting his rivals in on the secrets of his success and replicating it. In any case, by no later than the mid-19th century, the breed had acquired all of the essential characteristics for which it is still prized today: its awesome athletic abilities, its peerless gameness, and its easy-going temperament.

The immediate ancestors of the APBT were Irish and English pit fighting dogs imported to the States in the mid-19th century. Once in the United States, the breed diverged slightly from what was being produced back in England and Ireland. In America, where these dogs were used not only as pit fighters, but also as catch dogs (i.e., for forcibly retrieving stray hogs and cattle) and as guardians of family, the breeders started producing a slightly larger, leggier dog. However, this gain in size and weight was small until very recently. The Old Family Dogs in 19th century Ireland were rarely above 25 lbs., and 15-lb. dogs were not uncommon. In American books on the breed from the early part of this century, it is rare to find a specimen over 50 lbs. (with a few notable exceptions). From 1900 to 1975 or so, there was probably a very small and gradual increment in the average weight of APBTs over the years, without any corresponding loss in performance abilities. But now that the vast majority of APBTs are no longer performance-bred to the traditional pit standard (understandably, since the traditional performance test, the pit contest itself, is now a felony), the American axiom of "Bigger is Better" has taken over in the breeding practices of the many neophyte breeders who joined the bandwagon of the dog's popularity in the 1980s. This has resulted in a ballooning of the average size of APBTs in the last 15 years--a harmful phenomenon for the breed, in our opinion. Another, less visible modification of the breed since the 19th century was the selective intensification of genetically programmed fighting styles (such as front-end specialists, stifle specialists, etc.), as performance breeding became more sophisticated under competitive pressures. In spite of these changes, there has been a remarkable continuity in the breed for more than a century. Photos from a century ago show dogs indistinguishable from the dogs being bred today. Although, as in any performance breed, you will find a certain lateral (synchronic) variability in phenotype across different lines, you will nevertheless find uncanny chronological continuity in these types across decades. There are photos of pit dogs from the 1860s that are phenotypically (and, to judge by contemporary descriptions of pit matches, constitutionally) identical to the APBTs of today.

Throughout the 19th century, these dogs were known by a variety of names. "Pit Terriers", "Pit Bull Terriers", "Half and Half's", "Staffordshire Fighting Dogs", "Old Family Dogs"( the Irish name), "Yankee Terriers" (the Northern name), and "Rebel Terriers" (the Southern name) to name a few. In 1898, a man by the name of Chauncy Bennet formed the United Kennel Club (UKC) for the sole purpose of registering "Pit Bull Terriers" as the American Kennel Club wanted nothing to do with them. Originally, he added the word "American" to the name and dropped "Pit". This didn't please all of the people so later the word "Pit" was added back to the name in parentheses as a compromise. The parentheses were then removed from the name about 15 years ago. All other breeds that are registered with UKC were accepted into the UKC after the APBT. Another registry of APBTs is the American Dog Breeders Association (ADBA) which was started in September, 1909 by Guy McCord, a close friend of John P. Colby. Now under the stewardship of the Greenwood family, the ADBA continues to register only APBTs and is more in tune with the APBT as a breed than the UKC. The ADBA does sponsor conformations shows, but more importantly, it sponsors weight pulling competitions which test a dogs strength, stamina, and heart. It also publishes a quarterly magazine dedicated to the APBT called the American Pit Bull Terrier Gazette (see the "References" section). The authors feel that the ADBA is now the flagship registry of APBT as it is doing more to preserve the original characteristics of the breed.

In 1936, thanks to "Pete the Pup" in the "Lil Rascals" and "Our Gang" who familiarized a widerThe Lovable Petey and the rest of Our Gang audience with the APBT, the AKC jumped on the bandwagon and registered the breed as the "Staffordshire Terrier". This name was changed to "American Staffordshire Terrier" (AST) in 1972 to distinguish it from its smaller, "froggier", English cousin the Staffordshire Bull Terrier. In 1936, for all intents and purposes, the AKC, UKC, and ADBA version of the "Pit Bull" were identical since the original AKC stock came from pit fighting dogs, which were UKC and ADBA registered. During this time period, and the years that preceded it, the APBT was a well-liked dog in America. At this time the APBT was considered an ideal family pet. Because of his fun-loving, forgiving temperament, the breed was rightly considered an excellent dog for families with small children. Even if most of them couldn't identify the breed by name, kids of the Lil Rascals generation wanted a companion just like "Pete the Pup". During the First World War, there was an American propaganda poster that represented the rival European nations with their national dogs dressed in military uniforms; and in the center representing the United States was an APBT declaring in a caption below: "I'm neutral, but not afraid of any of them.

Since 1936, due to different breeding goals, the American Staffordshire Terrier and the American Pit Bull Terrier have diverged in both phenotype and spirit/temperament, although both, ideally, continue to have in common an easy-going, friendly disposition. [2] Some folks in the fancy feel that after 60 years of breeding for different goals, these two dogs are now entirely different breeds. Other people choose to view them as two different strains of the same breed (working and show). Either way, the gap continues to widen as breeders from both sides of the fence consider it undesirable to interbreed the two. To the untrained eye, ASTs may look more impressive and fearsome, with a larger and more blocky head, with bulging jaw muscles, a wider chest and thicker neck. In general, however, they aren't nearly as "game" or athletic as game-bred APBTs. Because of the standardization of their conformation for show purposes, ASTs tend to look alike, to a much greater degree than APBTs do. APBTs have a much wider phenotypical range, since the primary breeding goal, until fairly recently, has been not to produce a dog with a certain "look" but to produce one capable of winning pit contests, in which the looks of a dog counted for nothing. There are some game-bred APBTs that are practically indistinguishable from typical ASTs, but in general they are leaner, leggier, and lighter on their toes and have more stamina, agility, speed, and explosive power.

Following the second World War, until the early 1980s, the APBT lapsed into relative obscurity. But those devoted few who knew the breed knew it in intimate detail. These devotees typically knew much more about their dogs' ancestry than about their own--they were often able to recite pedigrees back six or eight generations. When APBTs became popular with the public around 1980, nefarious individuals with little or no knowledge of the breed started to own and breed them and predictably, problems started to crop up. Many of these newcomers did not adhere to the traditional breeding goals of the old-time APBT breeders. In typical backyard fashion they began randomly breeding dogs in order to mass produce puppies as profitable commodities. Worse, some unscrupulous neophytes started selecting dogs for exactly the opposite criteria that had prevailed up to then: they began selectively breeding dogs for the trait of human aggressiveness. Before long, individuals who shouldn't have been allowed near a gold fish were owning and producing poorly bred, human-aggressive "Pit Bulls" for a mass market. This, coupled with the media's propensity for over-simplification and sensationalization, gave rise to the anti-"Pit Bull" hysteria that continues to this day. It should go without saying that, especially with this breed, you should avoid backyard breeders. Find a breeder with a national reputation; investigate, for example, the breeders who advertise in the breed's flagship magazine, The American Pit Bull Terrier Gazette. In spite of the introduction of some bad breeding practices in the last 15 years or so, the vast majority of APBTs remain very human-friendly. The American Canine Temperament Testing Association, which sponsors tests for temperament titles for dogs, reported that 95% of all APBTs that take the test pass, compared with a 77% passing rate for all breeds on average. The APBT's passing rate was the fourth highest of all the breeds tested.

Copyright © 1993, 1994, 1995, 1996 by Michael Bur

I ain't reading that shit. Nigga summarize
 
Temperament



If there was a manual describing ideal Pit Bull temperament, it would probably read something like this: "The Pit Bull is goofily friendly towards people--family, friends, and strangers alike. Known for its sound character, strong nerve, and great intelligence, the breed makes an ideal companion for households with children, while remaining strong and vigilent enough to protect its loved ones if need be. It is never necessary to embark on guard or attack training with this breed, as they are naturally attuned to their environment and intuitive about real threats. Although never aggressive towards people without real need, the Pit Bull is dog-aggressive, to varying degrees. The properly socialized and trained Pit Bull should not be an instigater, yet neither should he shy away from a challenge. The breed is known for its high prey drive, and so due caution should be exercised when cats, rabbits, domestic fowl, and other such animals are present. Aggression towards other animals should not be viewed as a fault, although excessive, uncontrollable aggression is neither desired nor correct. Aggression towards humans should be viewed as a serious fault.

As our "ideal temperament manual" states above, the Pit Bull is generally a very friendly, stable, safe breed. Although in recent years some individuals have misused the breed and the media have misrepresented it, aggression towards humans never was and still isn't what the Pit Bull is about. Human-aggression is a serious matter, and not something that should be taken lightly. Human aggressive dogs (i.e. dogs that bite/attempt to bite humans) are an aberration. Growling (i.e. over toys, food, when moved off the sofa, bed, etc.) should be considered a warning, and possibly a precursor to biting behavior. It is imperative that owners seek professional help if their dog is exhibiting any of these behaviors.

Because the Pit Bull is generally such a people-friendly breed, they often make poor guards of property. Many specimens of the breed will allow strangers to enter the home or yard without a fuss, whether the owner is present or not. As a guardian of his human, however, the Pit Bull is quite willing and able to intercept an attack. The breed is credited with having exceptional judgement and will react only to real threats. Because of the Pit Bull's generally poor guarding instincts and natural inclination to protect his owner if need be, it is best to stay away from any sort of guard or protection dog training. A good dog can be ruined quite easily, making for a wary, untrusting animal that may become a danger to humans. Do not try to make the Pit Bull into something he is not. If a serious guard or attack dog is what you desire, it is best to look to one of the breeds that have been specifically created for that type of work.

This breed is known to keep its owners laughing. They are silly, almost to the point of being rediculous. Flailing around upside down on their backs, laying with their heads draped off the side of the couch, engaging in rambunctious sprints around the living room (known to Pit Bull folk as "pit fits"), these dogs are always clowning around. They are active and energetic, and too much dog for some to handle, just the right amount for others.
 
Partially. But mainly its the dog being the dog. Dogs differ (generally) by breed. If this breed (pitbulls) is not catered to and put in ideal situations to be exercised, socialized, disciplined and trained then they will revert back to their natural instincts and nature. Unfortunately in the case of the pitbull this nature and instinct is one of aggression and violence more often than not. Where other breeds respond different or less aggressively to certain situations, the pitbull will usually respond with aggression. Its in their nature/blood.

Good point. That's why the dog shouldn't be banned, it should only be given to people who understand the particular needs of the dog. Definitely not a beginner dog.
 
Damn I'm tired of hearing that. I got 4 pitbulls well trained that I can take to the dog park without any incident. I can allow people to pet them without worry. With any dog you have to spend time with the dog and train the dog. If you leave any dog tied on a chain all day and unsocialized from people and other dogs and there only contact is with the owner of course there gonna be a problem animal.


just the fact that you have to be so fragile with this animal,


just the fact that there is a thin line between a well trained animal and a loose cannon shows you how these dangerous these bastards are....
 
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