Official STAR WARS:THE FORCE AWAKENS discussion thread

[EPDC]

Better yet, I'm convinced Max Von Sydows character is who watched over Rey after Luke left her on Jakku. Von Sydows had part of a map to find Luke Skywalker, which is why Poe Dameron was on Jakku in the first place.

I believe Max Von Sydows character was a follower of the Jedi religion, but not a Jedi himself. He even said to Kylo Ren that he knew who he was....

 

[Drayonis]

Who did he have a baby with?

How did leia not know she looking at her Neice?

She might be a kanobi or a Jin

She got strong force

Just because we don't know who he had a baby with doesn't mean he didn't. Remember the flash back of her as a kid being pulled away from someone? That was Luke most likely. Dude was out to protect her. He knows how powerful his bloodline is and that Jedi's are in danger.

The light Saber was for "her" remember. It was her "right" to have it? She's Luke's kid man.

Also if Leah never knew Luke had a kid then of course she wouldn't recognize her.

 

[shaddyvillethug]

Just because we don't know who he had a baby with doesn't mean he didn't. Remember the flash back of her as a kid being pulled away from someone? That was Luke most likely. Dude was out to protect her. He knows how powerful his bloodline is and that Jedi's are in danger.

The light Saber was for "her" remember. It was her "right" to have it? She's Luke's kid man.

Also if Leah never knew Luke had a kid then of course she wouldn't recognize her.

Naw that was a evil voice pulling her away. I think that was luke who was on that flying ship. Episode 8 will unravel some of these things.

 

[Tha Great Muta]

Tariq is my nigga but I disagree with him on this one. This nigga had on a Star Wars shirt on one of his ustream shows but ain't never watched the movies?

King Flex wanted some movies where the white male lead didn't get the female lead. (Shout out to Drayonis)

1. Mad Max:Fury Road (Max was damn near the co star of his own movie)

2. The original Star Wars A New Hope.

3. Even in Man of Steel (latest Superman movie) I don't think he kissed Lois Lane in that one.

Even if he did kiss Rey then niggas woulda been talking about "oh he lusting after the white woman". He can't get the broad pregnant with mixed jedi babies in the first installment of however many of these movies will be made.

I agree with Tariq 98.99% of the time but if he hasn't seen the original he wouldn't understand how these movies are structured, he actually think this shit takes place in the "future". The sweating was because he was out in a desert in battle armor, wouldn't have been a movie if not for him having the balls to save the Rebellion pilot(yet he says he a coward), it was his idea to flood the Falcon with poison gas when he thought storm troopers were coming because he knew about the Storm Troopers helmet, he just "happen" to know the weakness of the Star Killer base? (nigga might be force sensitive), got a few licks in and injured the knockoff sith lord that could freeze laser blast in the air (that shit was ill), and he obviously like Rey.

And the big thing alot of people don't get Storm Troopers pretty much ARE SLAVES, THEY DON'T THINK FOR THEMSELVES.

Tariq doesn't seem like the sci-fi watcher but I bet if he watched Benjamin Sisko on Star Trekeep Space Nine (one of the best black characters/fathers on television) he would have twisted it into some other shit. Although we have a difference of opinion on this one, keep up the good work with everything else Tariq, I know yo ass lurking on here.

 

[BlkStrength]

Saw it last night. I enjoyed it but I definitely understand the complaints. The story is very "safe" but its still better than the prequels. JJ left alot open for the next movies to take some chances I guess.
What stands out.

1. The "bring it" storm trooper with the staff.
2. BB-8
3. Luke at the end, but I don't believe she is his daughter (aren't Jedi forbidden attachments?)
4. Finn's story can go any direction. Especially considering the lightsaber fights

Luke's story is the most interesting but they haven't gone into that yet.

 

[futureshock]

I believe that Rey IS HIS DAUGHTER. How soon have we forgotten how one of the early trailers was crafted....with Luke's VO placed in it to reveal some things.

Why would they even use those words in the trailer?

I think that they teased it early on, and left it out there as a set of clues.....for some to ponder on......or pick up on......by using the force of course.

 

[Soul On Ice]

Tariq is my nigga but I disagree with him on this one. This nigga had on a Star Wars shirt on one of his ustream shows but ain't never watched the movies?

King Flex wanted some movies where the white male lead didn't get the female lead. (Shout out to Drayonis)

1. Mad Max:Fury Road (Max was damn near the co star of his own movie)

2. The original Star Wars A New Hope.

3. Even in Man of Steel (latest Superman movie) I don't think he kissed Lois Lane in that one.

Even if he did kiss Rey then niggas woulda been talking about "oh he lusting after the white woman". He can't get the broad pregnant with mixed jedi babies in the first installment of however many of these movies will be made.

I agree with Tariq 98.99% of the time but if he hasn't seen the original he wouldn't understand how these movies are structured. The sweating was because he was out in a desert in battle armor, wouldn't have been a movie if not for him having the balls to save the Rebellion pilot(yet he says he a coward), it was his idea to flood the Falcon with poison gas when he thought storm troopers were coming because he knew about the Storm Troopers helmet, he just "happen" to know the weakness of the Star Killer base? (nigga might be force sensitive), got a few licks in and injured the knockoff sith lord that could freeze laser blast in the air (that shit was ill), and he obviously like Rey.

And the big thing alot of people don't get Storm Troopers pretty much ARE SLAVES, THEY DON'T THINK FOR THEMSELVES.

Tariq doesn't seem like the sci-fi watcher but I bet if he watched Benjamin Sisko on Star Trekeep Space Nine (one of the best black characters/fathers on television) he would have twisted it into some other shit. Although we have a difference of opinion on this one, keep up the good work with everything else Tariq, I know yo ass lurking on here.

yea cosign. listening to the playback right now and Tariq is my dude but he is reaching more than Stretch Armstrong.
Kind of embarrassing. Him claiming to never have seen any other Star Wars takes away from his credibility.

 

[BlkStrength]

My problem is, I thought having children is more of the actions of a Gray Jedi.
Luke is supposed to be the pure Jedi. Palpatine couldn't turn him, Vader couldn't turn him. Plus he is supposed to be under the advice of Yoda, Obi-Wan and Anakin force ghosts. He would reject all that?

 

[Drayonis]

yea cosign. listening to the playback right now and Tariq is my dude but he is reaching more than Stretch Armstrong.
Kind of embarrassing. Him claiming to never have seen any other Star Wars takes away from his credibility.

I tried to tell him that on the show. Dude wasn't listening. Talk show host rules 101, take a position and never change it.

 

[Drayonis]

I believe that Rey IS HIS DAUGHTER. How soon have we forgotten how one of the early trailers was crafted....with Luke's VO placed in it to reveal some things.

Why would they even use those words in the trailer?

I think that they teased it early on, and left it out there as a set of clues.....for some to ponder on......or pick up on......by using the force of course.

Bingo.

 

[Soul On Ice]

I tried to tell him that on the show. Dude wasn't listening. Talk show host rules 101, take a position and never change it.

havent got to your call yet... 56 mins in
The caller at 49min made some good points until..

 

[Tha Great Muta]

I tried to tell him that on the show. Dude wasn't listening. Talk show host rules 101, take a position and never change it.

Boom


Again I'll say Tariq is that dude but he ain't as good of a radio show host when it comes to taking calls as say Corey Holcomb and Bobby G back on the old 5150 Show. They actually took as many calls as they could and had a dialogue but with Tariq he quick to cut people off when they don't agree wit him or they taken aback by being on the air, then again that has to do with alot of his audience being bumbling niggas on the east coast that probably smoked before calling in and that's the audience he attracts.He talks AT people not TO people sometime, that minister vibe come out except he ain't Farrakhan.

 

[ThaBurgerPimp]

Saw it last night. I enjoyed it but I definitely understand the complaints. The story is very "safe" but its still better than the prequels. JJ left alot open for the next movies to take some chances I guess.
What stands out.


1. The "bring it" storm trooper with the staff.
2. BB-8
3. Luke at the end, but I don't believe she is his daughter (aren't Jedi forbidden attachments?)
4. Finn's story can go any direction. Especially considering the lightsaber fights

Luke's story is the most interesting but they haven't gone into that yet.

that was who i originally thought was going to be the "secret" Daniel Craig cameo

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

Dope movie.
They did the right thing with the passing the torch theme throughout the movie.
Passed the torch for the heroes and the villain.
Acting was great. Not too much peril, not cheesy, everything had intent.
Lots of easter eggs
everyone got a good amount of time so you can easily see why all the old star wars actors wanted to be a part of this.

Love the ending with both of the main people going to their respective corners to get their training together.


Dark side is some repugnant motherfuckers though taking the damn sun and killing systems. shit was crazy


If the villain is tortured and layered it's a dope movie and Ren was all of that. pinnacle moment for me was him praying to Darth. That was the shit.
This is kind of like how it would have been if after episode 3 of the 00' reboots we saw darth becoming cold and emotionless. We get to see Ren make his descent into complete darkness and it's awesome.

 

[Yngmack923]

Originally yes, and they were cloned on the watery planet of Kamino.
In the year BBY12 (12 years Before the Battle of Yarvin), or 20 years
after the anscension of Palpatine to the chancellorship, there was
rebellion on Kamino that destroyed the cloning facilities. In the
latter years, storm trooper were stolen, kidnapped from everywhere,
which accounted for FM2187 or Fin being a storm trooper...I wonder
if there was a Nigeria then, because that is where the Empire would
have found the parents of John Boyega

*BBY refers to the Battle of the moon Yarvin, which housed the
shield generator to the second death star that was destroyed by
Lando Calrissian, as Luke was defeating Darth Vader- his father,
and Palpatine was being thrown in to the reactor of the death star.
...It is very much a seminal reference point like BC (before Christ)
is for Christians.

THANKS......

 

[DiGeneral]

one scene that will definitely be a internet meme is the one where the soldier was giving kylo ren the bad news and he went crazy....lol!! that shit had Hitler written all over it...

Dude was having a meltdown.....

 

[richminded]

Whoever liked this bs storyline has to be a child. The storyline was TRASH

 

[code_pirahna]

Tariq is my nigga but I disagree with him on this one. This nigga had on a Star Wars shirt on one of his ustream shows but ain't never watched the movies?

King Flex wanted some movies where the white male lead didn't get the female lead. (Shout out to Drayonis)

Drayonis in the house........

 

[ron_mexico]

I was actually very dissapointed with this joint. They ruined it for me with the typical feminist plot points. Its one thing to have a female protagonist.. but damn if the same rules of a padwan apply to her character. She out force using the trained antagonist and even beating him in a light saber duel. Strictly on the strength of being a woman...

Can you imagine Luke fighting Vader off the top and besting him in anything period...

 

[EPDC]

I was actually very dissapointed with this joint. They ruined it for me with the typical feminist plot points. Its one thing to have a female protagonist.. but damn if the same rules of a padwan apply to her character. She out force using the trained antagonist and even beating him in a light saber duel. Strictly on the strength of being a woman...

Can you imagine Luke fighting Vader off the top and besting him in anything period...

She's Luke's daughter, who probably had her memories and force knowledge buried inside of her. Her powers were triggered when she touched the lightsaber and had her vision. The force awakened within her....I'm positive this will all be discussed in the sequel.

Kylo Ren was no where near where Vader was in terms of his power and mastery of the Dark side.

 

[shaddyvillethug]

I was actually very dissapointed with this joint. They ruined it for me with the typical feminist plot points. Its one thing to have a female protagonist.. but damn if the same rules of a padwan apply to her character. She out force using the trained antagonist and even beating him in a light saber duel. Strictly on the strength of being a woman...

Can you imagine Luke fighting Vader off the top and besting him in anything period...

You can never beat your father in anything

 

[ron_mexico]

My problem is, I thought having children is more of the actions of a Gray Jedi.
Luke is supposed to be the pure Jedi. Palpatine couldn't turn him, Vader couldn't turn him. Plus he is supposed to be under the advice of Yoda, Obi-Wan and Anakin force ghosts. He would reject all that?

I think that's Luke daughter as well. Jedis aren't supposed to be attached which is true...But its because of the nature of attachment...Vaders attachment to his mother and wife lead him to the darkside..but Lukes attachment to Vader saved him in the end. So Luke could have a different perspective on the matter.

 

[ron_mexico]

She's Luke's daughter, who probably had her memories and force knowledge buried inside of her. Her powers were triggered when she touched the lightsaber and had her vision. The force awakened within her....I'm positive this will all be discussed in the sequel.

Kylo Ren was no where near where Vader was in terms of his power and mastery of the Dark side.

Even if she is on some Jedi Jason Bourne ish..if she is already kicking Ren's ass what is there to anticipate going forward.? and by getting his ass kicked they made it undeniably clear he is no where near Vader in terms of power and mastery of the darkside..which the reason why the shit is weak. He doesn't have to be Vader, but damn if he didn't look like a hoe off the top.

You can never beat your father in anything

But its ok to get your ass kicked by your little girl cousin??

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

She's Luke's daughter, who probably had her memories and force knowledge buried inside of her. Her powers were triggered when she touched the lightsaber and had her vision. The force awakened within her....I'm positive this will all be discussed in the sequel.

Kylo Ren was no where near where Vader was in terms of his power and mastery of the Dark side.

like i said, Ren is still fresh. He's still fighting demons, he's still tortured. It's what we would've saw in the oo's versions if they made a 4th installment right after he became vadar

next one dude is going to be crazy. cannot wait

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

Even if she is on some Jedi Jason Bourne ish..if she is already kicking Ren's ass what is there to anticipate going forward.? and by getting his ass kicked they made it undeniably clear he is no wear near Vader in terms of power and mastery of the darkside..which the reason why the shit is weak. He doesn't have to be Vader, but damn if he didn't look like a hoe off the top.



But its ok to get your ass kicked by your little girl cousin??

You don't just become Vader. Vader wasn't even vader off top we skipped the part where he struggled over the loss of his wife and kids and struggled with betraying obi and all of that shit. we got the hardened version off top. the one that had fought all those demons and fully embraced the dark side which is what the supreme leader is getting ready to help Ren do.
he already got over 1 hurdle. killing solo.

 

[geechiedan]

I get this is science FANTASY so thats leaves alot of room for anything to happen but even in a fantasy story there is a limit to suspension of disbelief..from the article on R2D2's "coma":


Midway through The Force Awakens, Han Solo, Chewbacca, Finn, and BB-8 make their way to the Resistance base, where they discover that R2 has been in a coma-like “low power mode” for years – the robot version of crushing depression over what transpired between his now absent master, Luke Skywalker, and the Jedi trainee who betrayed him, Kylo Ren.

Ultimately, the writers decided to make Luke himself the MacGuffin – the thing Rey, Han, Finn and Chewie are trying to find. And they figured that if a horrific past trauma forced Luke to retreat from the world, maybe the same could be said of R2. The droid’s physical form is still present, but his personality is not – lost in the miasma of grief over what transpired in the past.

When they find R2 beneath that dust cloth, the heroes already have a piece of a holographic map, but they lack the larger section of this uncharted region of space that will allow them to track down Luke. That’s where R2 became a useful storytelling device: he could be the missing framework.

The story group’s thinking went back to the 1977 original movie, when R2-D2 accessed the Empire’s mainframe as the heroes searched for the captured Princess Leia. “We had the idea about R2 plugging into the information base of the Death Star, and that’s how he was able to get the full map and find where the Jedi temples are,” Arndt said.

okay so lets get this straight R2 put himself in a coma because he was DEPRESSED over some shit that happened to Luke..is that what they want us to go with? Because thats the DUMBEST shit I've heard in this saga since midi-chlorians being responsible for the Force!!

The most consistent thing about R2D2 in the films is that hes always tried to do the right thing by his friends. I get that luke was his last owner and theyre maybe close and what not but shutting himself down??

His original owner is Leia..when we first see R2 on the screen its with Leia giving him a message.

when Luke took a missing he should have reverted back to her service which would be especially necessary since she's a officer in the middle of a struggle.

If they wanted a dramatic emotional push to his part in the story then they could have said R2 was severely damaged on a mission and since he is over 50 years old (he was Padme's droid 20 years before Leia) those parts are impossible to get for his series of astromech. But since he has such sentimental value to Leia she couldn't just get rid of him so they put a tarp over him until they can figure out how to fix him if its possible. That was over 30 years ago. All of this explained by C3PO. Then we see BB-8 go over to him and is blown away because this is R2D2! THE R2D2 who helped take down TWO Death Stars and saved Princess, now General Leia's life on many occasions. This guy is a fucking LEGEND among droids particularly the astromechs. This is his freakin hero and he has GOT to fix this dude! He makes an attempt then blips and bloops at him and nothing happens but a lone blinking light..sad, BB-8 rolls away and we cut to the rest of the flick, Han dies, the Death Star implodes and back at home base R2 comes back online! Turns out he has the map of the jedi temples from the last time he was on the Death Star and BB-8 has the missing piece and YAY!! We can find Luke now!

THATS more consistent with the history of the fucking movies than the robot version of crushing depression

 

[EPDC]

Yeah that R2 in low power mode BS was wack. Worse, than midichlorians to be honest....

 

[King Natty]

"The know nothingness nigga ever"

"This the white dude just name this nigga?"

 

[ron_mexico]

You don't just become Vader. Vader wasn't even vader off top we skipped the part where he struggled over the loss of his wife and kids and struggled with betraying obi and all of that shit. we got the hardened version off top. the one that had fought all those demons and fully embraced the dark side which is what the supreme leader is getting ready to help Ren do.
he already got over 1 hurdle. killing solo.

I get that you don't become Vader over night. Be my point again is he certainly should be WELL ahead of Ray. At most they are from the same family, so it stands to reason the force should be strong in both. But he is trained, dude is stopping lasers mid air and ish yet he is getting bested by some untrained force user...smh

We have to speculate that she is the Jedi Jason Bourne just to make sense of this ish...

 

[LSN]

My problem is, I thought having children is more of the actions of a Gray Jedi.
Luke is supposed to be the pure Jedi. Palpatine couldn't turn him, Vader couldn't turn him. Plus he is supposed to be under the advice of Yoda, Obi-Wan and Anakin force ghosts. He would reject all that?

...for pussy? it's a strong possibility

 

[Snyckerbar76]

Another thing that I questioned. Since when does someone without the force use a Jedi light saber?

This guy:

(General Grievous)

 

[Snyckerbar76]

If you haven't seen the movie yet, leave this thread:

Finn is force sensitive we'll see how it plays out.

Ray is a Skywalker. She is too strong not to be.

Kylo Ren needed to fully embrace the dark side to complete his training with Snoke. He'll be stronger next time.

Great fun movie. Throughly enjoyed it

I can cosign on thinking ALL of this during the movie. I think they made Kylo Ren the world's first "Emo Sith" in this movie so they could have his character experience development over the trilogy (something that was lacking in the prequels, but done far better in Eps 4-6). Glad Finn survived (I was a little concerned toward the end...). This was a great movie, and the next time I see it, it will be in the center of the theater on a slow weekday afternoon with the 40 dollar bucket of popcorn.

 

[EPDC]

If you haven't seen the movie yet, leave this thread:

Finn is force sensitive we'll see how it plays out.

Ray is a Skywalker. She is too strong not to be.

Kylo Ren needed to fully embrace the dark side to complete his training with Snoke. He'll be stronger next time.

Great fun movie. Throughly enjoyed it

Finn is NOT force sensitive.

 

[ron_mexico]

I doubt Finn is force sensitive..thats wishful thinking..

This is about to be the Star Wars/Hunger games..smh

 

[darth frosty]

Of course time will tell but I think ep 8 and 9 will diverge into the ways both Sith and Jedi are trained.

We see rei. meet with luke and basically offer herself up to be trained by him.

Lost is the little bit of dialogue that snook (sp) will become more personally involved in Kylo ren's training.

Even bigger kylo said he needed Han's help. This was in order to really begin to be a sith lord he must sacrifice the life of someone he loved. Yeah I know EU is no longer canon but CLEARLY they are stealing elements of the EU they wish. Snook seemed to mock ren when he said the droid is with your father. He than said how no other has been tested like this.

IMO this is all dialogue we have heard before but between the emporer and vader. another piece of dialogue we heard before is when ren told snook how powerful the girl was snook said: If what you say about this girl is true bring her to me!

Did we hear those words before? Who was being refered to when we heard those words before? and what were their relationship?