Official 2025 NFL Discussion!!!

[ansatsusha_gouki]

Stefanski blamed Ken Dorsey for the offensive failure,a few years ago.


Stefanski blamed Baker for not running his offense correctly.


Have your two lackeys(Mary Kay and Tony Grossi) defend you everyday.

Try your hardest to not put Shedeur in the best position to get better.

 

[tallblacknyc]

We talking about Simms and Aikman and the definition of serviceable. THere's a huge gap between top 5 and serviceable. I already said Aikman was a good QB with weapons all over the place. Simms was a good QB as well. You do know both things can be true and both are in the s as well. When we start comparing Trent Dilfer to Aikman, i have to really question your football acumen. Dilfer was the personification of the phrase "game manager". That Ravens Defense was so good, they didn't have to score a bunch of points. Brad Johnson was a better QB than Dilfer.

I didn't bring his name up first.. someone else said dilfer would be in the hall of fame if he won 3 titles in 5 yrs .. that wasn't me that was someone else.. all I said after was dilfer was a serviceable QB also . Did you check that person that originally said it? Nope... But somehow ull try to push the narrative that I brought up dilfer... Like in various debates other people will say shit and ya will push a bs narrative I said it, just like someone try to mix various topics and make it seem like I said it all in one

Originally people try to question why eli should go to the hall of fame and I always point out his numbers and the fact aikman is in the hall with numbers that are way less than Eli and many other QBs... Eli has 2 Superbowl mvps and has 2 rings ... 57,000 yds 300+ TDS... Aikman has 1 Superbowl MVP 3 rings 32,000 yds 165 TDS.. if aikman is in so should Eli.. people than try to hype up aikman than I show how his numbers were serviceable and people try to go against numbers and truth.. just let Eli in and that's it

 

[BlackGoku]

So let's replay this conversation. I brought up Trent Dilfer in saying that if the 2000 Ravens won three SBs, he would be in the HOF. This is one of those things that they look at when voting on the HOF. To answer your question, No I'm not going to "check myself" for something I originally said

he won three super bowls. if the 2000 ravens won three sbs in 4 years, trent dilfer would be in as well..

Yep .. his stats look like Trent dilfer… they call these serviceable qbs… aikman face should be the definition

Here is where you said that his stats look like Trent Dilfer (they don't Aikman has better stats than Trent Dilfer and I posted them) and there is no world where I would take Trent Dilfer over Troy Aikman. Troy Aikman is not a "serviceable" qb. He's a good (not all time great) QB. Theres a difference between good and serviceable.

I didn't bring his name up first.. someone else said dilfer would be in the hall of fame if he won 3 titles in 5 yrs .. that wasn't me that was someone else.. all I said after was dilfer was a serviceable QB also . Did you check that person that originally said it? Nope... But somehow ull try to push the narrative that I brought up dilfer... Like in various debates other people will say shit and ya will push a bs narrative I said it, just like someone try to mix various topics and make it seem like I said it all in one

Originally people try to question why eli should go to the hall of fame and I always point out his numbers and the fact aikman is in the hall with numbers that are way less than Eli and many other QBs... Eli has 2 Superbowl mvps and has 2 rings ... 57,000 yds 300+ TDS... Aikman has 1 Superbowl MVP 3 rings 32,000 yds 165 TDS.. if aikman is in so should Eli.. people than try to hype up aikman than I show how his numbers were serviceable and people try to go against numbers and truth.. just let Eli in and that's it

My point with Eli is that Eli was an "average" (.500 record proves this) QB when removing those SB runs. If I put Troy Aikman on about half the teams in the 90s, he's still a good QB. I'm not so sure I can say the same about Eli. I would even say that Eli is better than a serviceable QBs. This whole thing started with you saying that Troy Aikman was serviceable and I just don't agree with this and the numbers show it to be true. There are different levels here. here's my list from what I see

Troy Aikman
Eli Manning



















Trent Dilfer - For the record, Aikman, Manning, and Namath win the SB with that ravens team.

 

[tallblacknyc]

So let's replay this conversation. I brought up Trent Dilfer in saying that if the 2000 Ravens won three SBs, he would be in the HOF. This is one of those things that they look at when voting on the HOF. To answer your question, No I'm not going to "check myself" for something I originally said






Here is where you said that his stats look like Trent Dilfer (they don't Aikman has better stats than Trent Dilfer and I posted them) and there is no world where I would take Trent Dilfer over Troy Aikman. Troy Aikman is not a "serviceable" qb. He's a good (not all time great) QB. Theres a difference between good and serviceable.



My point with Eli is that Eli was an "average" (.500 record proves this) QB when removing those SB runs. If I put Troy Aikman on about half the teams in the 90s, he's still a good QB. I'm not so sure I can say the same about Eli. I would even say that Eli is better than a serviceable QBs. This whole thing started with you saying that Troy Aikman was serviceable and I just don't agree with this and the numbers show it to be true. There are different levels here. here's my list from what I see

Troy Aikman
Eli Manning



















Trent Dilfer - For the record, Aikman, Manning, and Namath win the SB with that ravens team.

Trent dilfer threw 20+ TDS two times in the 90s aikman couldn't even do that.. Eli didn't have emmit, Irvin, Harper, the moose, novacek, the line, Jimmy Johnson most of his career, and individuals like deion wasn't on his team... Aikman threw double digit ints 9 yrs with these weapons, imagine if he was surrounded with the less skilled offensive players on the giants... He threw 18 int twice with less throwing opportunities imagine if you allowed him to throw more he might be 30 ints or better... Aikman missed the playoffs half his career.. so 6 playoffs 6 early vacations with a better team.. so when surrounded by greatness you tend to look better... Shout-out to emmit smith, Jimmy Johnson and the rest of the crew

 

[dtownsfinest]

It's hard calling any NFL QB "slow". You have to have some form of intelligence to play the position, but he may no longer be a starter in this league. Similar to Jameis..

When you play it bad though more years then good…you gotta question something. And watching Geno it doesn’t look like a physical issue. He can make the throws….tough because the position is incredibly hard to play.

 

[tallblacknyc]

So let's replay this conversation. I brought up Trent Dilfer in saying that if the 2000 Ravens won three SBs, he would be in the HOF. This is one of those things that they look at when voting on the HOF. To answer your question, No I'm not going to "check myself" for something I originally said






Here is where you said that his stats look like Trent Dilfer (they don't Aikman has better stats than Trent Dilfer and I posted them) and there is no world where I would take Trent Dilfer over Troy Aikman. Troy Aikman is not a "serviceable" qb. He's a good (not all time great) QB. Theres a difference between good and serviceable.



My point with Eli is that Eli was an "average" (.500 record proves this) QB when removing those SB runs. If I put Troy Aikman on about half the teams in the 90s, he's still a good QB. I'm not so sure I can say the same about Eli. I would even say that Eli is better than a serviceable QBs. This whole thing started with you saying that Troy Aikman was serviceable and I just don't agree with this and the numbers show it to be true. There are different levels here. here's my list from what I see

Troy Aikman
Eli Manning



















Trent Dilfer - For the record, Aikman, Manning, and Namath win the SB with that ravens team.

No this started at 4pm when another poster said cam should get in the hall of fame b4 Eli and question why he getting in and said they only voting him in because he best Brady twice... I than replied to that poster that he had 57,000 yds and ova 300+ TDS . Than it spiralled into something else.. see the serviceable part came later.. like I said push a narrative without talking facts.