Nothing is 100% safe, there will always be a margin of error.
New CDC Study: Natural Immunity is Better Than Vaccine Alone
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That’s the point. If any medicine gives you a slight chance of hurting you and zero benefit, why would you take it?
Do you know how stupid that statement is? For example, seatbelts can kill under the wrong circumstances, say you fell in a lake and cannot free yourself, does this mean you shouldn't wear them? What about people whose parachutes failed them, does this mean you are better off without one?
Folks you guys should really learn how to think critically before talking!
BTW where is your data that proves that vaccines give zero benefits, I will be eating popcorn waiting for the peer review studies that prove this dumb shit!
This is a study provided by the CDC with data on millions of people. If you are waiting for a “better” peer reviewed study, good luck.
The data is in the report, it shows that vaccinated who never had Covid are 3 TIMES MORE likely to get Covid than those with natural immunity. It also says that people who have natural immunity get no benefit in reduced hospitalization rates (.3 in 1,000 chance whether you get the vac or not). All the numbers are there and clearly laid out.
Again you are missing the point. On your example, seatbelts are universally helpful. There is a small chance that they can injur you. But if you balance the benefits against the risks, it is clear you should wear a seatbelt.
For people that already had Covid and are considering whether to take it, there are zero benefits to taking the vaccine (according to the cdc study). So the benefits -zero - do not outweigh the harms.
For those that never had Covid,
Post this up...or just stop it... brah
@babygwirl18 ....you trying to hard...what's the play? Fuck everyone...let em die...why you keep pushing? Brah
This is pretty old news. I didnt know so many of yall never knew this or had no clue this is how every single virus works. It wipes out mad people and whos left moves on with a stronger resistance to it.
Thats why we are now moving towards an Endemic. The only people still dying from it are the ones with the "Morbid" issues mainly "obesity" (hospitalizes 30% of cases, more than anything else). And they were going to die from their obesity anyways. Covid just sped it up.
I got my vax early because I believe in the science. That same science tells me unvaxxed have a stronger immunity. Anyone arguing against that fact is just emotional/angry/afraid. And thats fear is valid as an emotion but not as a argument to dispute the fact.
Thats why we are now moving towards an Endemic. The only people still dying from it are the ones with the "Morbid" issues mainly "obesity" (hospitalizes 30% of cases, more than anything else). And they were going to die from their obesity anyways. Covid just sped it up.
I got my vax early because I believe in the science. That same science tells me unvaxxed have a stronger immunity. Anyone arguing against that fact is just emotional/angry/afraid. And thats fear is valid as an emotion but not as a argument to dispute the fact.
Vaccines make our immune system weaker genetically. Look at what happened to indigenous cultures that encountered Europeans.
People think some rogue AI will wipe out humanity, it will be inferior humans that can survive more easily by leeching off of people like me by spying.
Self driving cars, socialism, technology sharing, and vaccines.
What we need is to take the hit like the Europeans/black plaque over time than recovery with stronger genes being introduced slowly. When I finally escape, I might write or produce a movie about the real future of humanity.
People think some rogue AI will wipe out humanity, it will be inferior humans that can survive more easily by leeching off of people like me by spying.
Self driving cars, socialism, technology sharing, and vaccines.
What we need is to take the hit like the Europeans/black plaque over time than recovery with stronger genes being introduced slowly. When I finally escape, I might write or produce a movie about the real future of humanity.
We are not moving towards covid being endemic. Endemic does not simply mean that the virus is not going anywhere and we have to just learn to live with it. Endemic means that we have reached a steady state. Huge waves of infections year round and hospitals being overwhelmed is not a characteristic of any endemic infectious disease.
Fat people filling up hospitals is everyone's problem. People have died of non covid related emergencies due to all the hospitals in their area being filled with covid patients.
By unvaxed I'm assuming you mean with a prior infection. I'd love to see the science that shows that an unvaccinated person with natural immunity from Delta is better protected against Omicron than a never infected person with two shots and a booster.
I remember having a similar conversation back in summer of 2020 or so on here and getting blasted by the scaredy-cat crew.
What I didn't tell people (because everyone was freaking out over covid) was that I had already had covid ALPHA, not this pussy ass version floating around now.
Someone earlier asked how natural immunity could be as good as a vaccine - its not. ITS BETTER. Any antigen that enters the body through your inate system has to go through the microbiome system and your interferon systems, then to your adaptive system. When it is in your microbiome and IFS, it activates thousands of genes that cause changes in your DNA and start adapting your body to fight the antigen and anything that even looks like it. Vaccines are applied straight to your adaptive system and turn on T and B cells immediately. They skip the process of going through your inate, microbiome and interferon systems that activate other mechanisms in the body that work in tandem with your adaptive system to fight the virus attacking AND develop protection against similar future invaders/variants, etc. Now how well your immune system works is relative to individuals and of course whatever genetic dispositions you may have that make your more vulnerable is on a case-by-case basis.
This, however, does not negate the protection that a vaccine provides. A vaccine is not a cure. Its just an activation tool for the body's own immune system.
So, to make a long story longer, yes natural immunity is better and yes a vaccine is also a good tool.
I've had covid and am vaccinated (but not boosted). I was confident about covid before because I had already had it but really didn't feel like answering 50 million questions. Covid alpha was no walk in the park. It lasted about 2 1/2 weeks and it SUCKED.
The truth is most of these arguments are political. Anti-vaxxers vs virtue signalers; Fuck all y'all.
Get vaccinated or not. I don't give a shit. Just shut the fuck up about it. Its a germ.
Now what you should be asking is what good are MASKS in this era of the highly contagious variants. I have argued that they are useless for the most part. Nobody seems to go as hard against masks as they do against vaccines. At least vaccines provide SOME help to SOME people.
Big Pharma is getting major paper off the mask hustle. I don't buy them and never will. I get them free.
They ain't doing shit against omicron, so what's up?
What I didn't tell people (because everyone was freaking out over covid) was that I had already had covid ALPHA, not this pussy ass version floating around now.
Someone earlier asked how natural immunity could be as good as a vaccine - its not. ITS BETTER. Any antigen that enters the body through your inate system has to go through the microbiome system and your interferon systems, then to your adaptive system. When it is in your microbiome and IFS, it activates thousands of genes that cause changes in your DNA and start adapting your body to fight the antigen and anything that even looks like it. Vaccines are applied straight to your adaptive system and turn on T and B cells immediately. They skip the process of going through your inate, microbiome and interferon systems that activate other mechanisms in the body that work in tandem with your adaptive system to fight the virus attacking AND develop protection against similar future invaders/variants, etc. Now how well your immune system works is relative to individuals and of course whatever genetic dispositions you may have that make your more vulnerable is on a case-by-case basis.
This, however, does not negate the protection that a vaccine provides. A vaccine is not a cure. Its just an activation tool for the body's own immune system.
So, to make a long story longer, yes natural immunity is better and yes a vaccine is also a good tool.
I've had covid and am vaccinated (but not boosted). I was confident about covid before because I had already had it but really didn't feel like answering 50 million questions. Covid alpha was no walk in the park. It lasted about 2 1/2 weeks and it SUCKED.
The truth is most of these arguments are political. Anti-vaxxers vs virtue signalers; Fuck all y'all.
Get vaccinated or not. I don't give a shit. Just shut the fuck up about it. Its a germ.
Now what you should be asking is what good are MASKS in this era of the highly contagious variants. I have argued that they are useless for the most part. Nobody seems to go as hard against masks as they do against vaccines. At least vaccines provide SOME help to SOME people.
Big Pharma is getting major paper off the mask hustle. I don't buy them and never will. I get them free.
They ain't doing shit against omicron, so what's up?
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Liar....... Here’s a link to the study..
https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/hea.../covid-natural-immunity-what-you-need-to-know
If I have natural immunity do I still need a COVID vaccine?
Yes, the COVID-19 vaccines are recommended, even if you had COVID-19. At present, evidence from Johns Hopkins Medicine and the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) supports getting a COVID-19 vaccine as the best protection against getting COVID-19, whether you have already had the virus or not.
Here are recent research studies that support getting vaccinated even if you have already had COVID-19:
Vaccines add protection.
- The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) released a report on Oct. 29, 2021, that says getting vaccinated for the coronavirus when you’ve already had COVID-19 significantly enhances your immune protection and further reduces your risk of reinfection.
- A study published in August 2021 indicates that if you had COVID-19 before and are not vaccinated, your risk of getting re-infected is more than two times higher than for those who got vaccinated after having COVID-19.
- Another study published on Nov. 5, 2021, by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) looked at adults hospitalized for COVID-like sickness between January and September 2021. This study found that the chances of these adults testing positive for COVID-19 were 5.49 times higher in unvaccinated people who had COVID-19 in the past than they were for those who had been vaccinated for COVID and had not had an infection before.
- A study from the CDC in September 2021 showed that roughly one-third of those with COVID-19 cases in the study had no apparent natural immunity.
Delta variant and future coronavirus variants: Hospitalizations of people with severe COVID-19 soared over the late summer and into fall as the delta variant moved across the country. People infected with earlier versions of the coronavirus and who haven’t been vaccinated might be more vulnerable to new mutations of the coronavirus such as those found in the delta variant. To date, the authorized vaccines provide protection from serious disease or death due to all currently circulating coronavirus variants.
LOL. So the vaccinated group is 3 times more likely to get covid vs the unvaccinated group (who already 100% caught covid) getting it AGAIN and you think this is good news for the unvaccinated? They already lost getting covid the first time. They lost twice when they got it the second time.
Unvaccinated in this case = survived but may have lingering conditions not to mention possible hospital bills from both cases or job loss depending on how long they were out.
The study is from the CDC and used data from more than 2 million people. The data is clearly laid put in the report saying everything that I said above. It’s no longer speculation - it is in introverted fact and science.
Here’s a link to the study, and a video explaining what it says.
COVID-19 Cases and Hospitalizations by COVID-19 ...
This report describes COVID-19 cases and hospitalizations by vaccination status and previous COVID-19 diagnosis before and after the Delta variant became predominant.www.cdc.gov
England has already ended vaccine mandates. Expect the same here in the US in coming months. Once people get out of the mass psychosis the shit is going to hit the fan. Fauci may end up in prison.
Introverted facts? Word?
COVID-19 Cases and Hospitalizations by COVID-19 ...
This report describes COVID-19 cases and hospitalizations by vaccination status and previous COVID-19 diagnosis before and after the Delta variant became predominant.
www.cdc.gov
COVID-19 Cases and Hospitalizations by COVID-19 Vaccination Status and Previous COVID-19 Diagnosis — California and New York, May–November 2021
Early Release / January 19, 2022 / 71
COVID-19 Cases and Hospitalizations by COVID-19 ...
This report describes COVID-19 cases and hospitalizations by vaccination status and previous COVID-19 diagnosis before and after the Delta variant became predominant.
COVID-19 Cases and Hospitalizations by COVID-19 Vaccination Status and Previous COVID-19 Diagnosis — California and New York, May–November 2021
Early Release / January 19, 2022 / 71
this dude breaks it down every week ...without a agenda.....
You can say the same thing about all the alternatives people take instead of getting vaccinated.
What's good for most people can be bad for a percentage of others. That's life.
On bro
No protection.....yesh ok
How do death rates from COVID-19 differ between people who are vaccinated and those who are not?
To understand how the pandemic is evolving, it’s crucial to know how death rates from COVID-19 are affected by vaccination status.
ourworldindata.org
No protection to people who already have natural immunity. The cdc study showed that. The study that you posted did NOT compare people with natural immunity vs people vaccinated.No protection.....yesh ok
How do death rates from COVID-19 differ between people who are vaccinated and those who are not?
To understand how the pandemic is evolving, it’s crucial to know how death rates from COVID-19 are affected by vaccination status.
You’re right. The cdc study found that for people without natural immunity, the vaccine provides a great deal of protection. It also found that for people who had Covid it offered none. Your chart does nothing to disprove what the cdc foundNo protection provided at all...
Your logic is flawed because no study can foresee who your natural immunity would fare vs different/future strains, and what the study is not saying, and I think you are getting really mixed up with, is that it is not saying, in any shape or form, that you will be better off not getting vaccinated and allowing your natural immunity kick in, because it's true that if you survive getting covid, you will be better off than a person that has been vaccinated, but the key is surviving and or living without any long term side effects. Also, your natural immunity will be lower than someone who was both immunized and tested positive for Covid, because in this scenario the person would have both vaccine and natural immunity under his belt (using your own balance vs risk logic).
Again your inability to properly comprehend the study does not mean they are saying you are better off with no protection than being vaccinated!
Very thoughtful and unbiased response.
I wish many others shared this perspective and remained open to having unbiased discussions without condemning the other side sickness and death.
Funny you said this. I swear everytime I felt a twinge of the sickness I'd go and drink me some Bulleit brah and feel immediately better afterwards lolI haven’t caught this shit once.
Before I was vaccinated nor after.
Several people I know have caught it before they were vaccinated and after vaccination. Idk what I’m doing right to not catch it because I’ve been in very close proximity to everyone I’ve known to have it, and still I continue to test negative.
I say it’s the whiskey.
Clearly no one in here read the study, by the confused responses. The study looked at 4 groups
1. People who never had Covid and did not get the vaccine.
2. People who never had Covid and did get the vaccine
3. People who got Covid, but never received the vaccine.
4. People who got Covid, and got the vaccine.
The study found that Group 2 (vaccinated) was 5 times more likely to be hospitalized than group 3 unvaccinated.
The study also found that Group 3 and Group 4 had the same rate of hospitalization (.3 in 1000).
The study also showed, like what most of you are saying, that Group 1 did by far the worst of all groups.
I am not saying that the study says the vaccine offers no benefit to anyone. But when talking about people in Group 3, the vaccine offers no protection against hospitalization. The vaccine does have very serious,yet rare, side effects
Here is the cheat sheet for those who are having trouble visualizing it.
Vaccinated alone: Does not include booster whose effectiveness is said to just below people who are vaccinated with exposure to Covid. But this is the safest and effects form of protection.
Vaccinated plus exposure: People who test positive in conjunction with having the vaccine. This is the greatest form of protection and though it has a much lesser risk of complications and death than doing nothing, it does have a slightly elevated risk than just being vaccinated.
Natural immunity= Sucks because you have to actually catch Covid and cross your fingers that you don't die or have long-term complications. Plus you will still be subjected to future variants.
Natural immunity > Vaccinated alone.
Natural immunity < Vaccinated plus exposure to Corona.
Vaccinated plus exposure > Vaccinated alone
Vaccinated alone >> Doing nothing
Vaccinated plus exposure >>>>> Doing nothing
Natural immunity >>>Doing nothing
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I'll go one further.....stop making stupid ass anti threads knowing damn well its just gonna turn into a back and forth. If you trying to convince people say that....instead of posting articles trying to sway opinion.
Most people's minds are made up. This is a gigantic waste of time and internet space