My fellow BGOL family, how do you feel about carrying a concealed weapon?

[Andros the magician]

It seems like everyday I see or hear about someone being shot, shot and killed, and including mass shootings. It tears at me. I do not have a gun in my home or carry one on me. Now, I am not against guns. Its just not my thing. I haven't touched a gun, since I was in the military, many years ago.

I was taught martial arts when I was younger. Mainly kenpo karate, then got into muay thai as an adult. As of right now? I'm pretty much out of shape. Ha. Working on that. I mention that, because I do feel somewhat comfortable to defense myself or others, but I'm no Bruce Leroy. I just got engaged this past January and closed on a house a week ago. Home invasions, gun shootings, etc are always on my mind these days.

For the first time, I'm thinking of getting some form of extended defense. I looked into non lethal weapons and came across some interesting things. Basically paintball guns with mace. But I'm not sure that's not enough. Then I think about the recent shooting in the grocery store in NY and I realize that such a weapon could have probably stopped the shooter, since he had on so much armor.

Well, I can go on and on. I'm in a confused state as of now. Part of me wants to get something non-lethal like this. Then part of me, just says, I should get a small gun, like this, and wear it concealed. Then the other part of me, is just like relax, we all die.

So how do you feel? Do you carry a gun? Are you against it? How do you feel about it?

 

[Piff Henderson]

I don't own any guns and, personally, don't want any. That said, shit is crazy out there and I can understand if you're a Black, law abiding citizen why you'd want a gun. The ws shit is getting worse and there are a lot armed goons out there wreaking havoc in the community.

It's very personal decision but if you decide to get one just be a responsible gun owner.

 

[xxxbishopxxx]

Just remember, in the last couple of years the most gun friendly state in the US, Texas, has had to deal with a number of mass shootings. We are constantly told that good guys with guns would prevent this. For whatever reasons, folks keep getting shot up in Texas.

Not saying don't buy a weapon for personal protection. Just make sure you are doing it for the right reasons and understand the realities and limitations of the weapons you buy.

 

[Andros the magician]

I don't own any guns and, personally, don't want any. That said, shit is crazy out there and I can understand if you're a Black, law abiding citizen why you'd want a gun. The ws shit is getting worse and there are a lot armed goons out there wreaking havoc in the community.

It's very personal decision but if you decide to get one just be a responsible gun owner.

Just remember, in the last couple of years the most gun friendly state in the US, Texas, has had to deal with a number of mass shootings. We are constantly told that good guys with guns would prevent this. For whatever reasons, folks keep getting shot up in Texas.

Not saying don't buy a weapon for personal protection. Just make sure you are doing it for the right reasons and understand the realities and limitations of the weapons you buy.

This is why Ive been considering a non-lethal method.

 

[Mixd]

Tons of threads on here of those who carry.
Just learn to use it, how to carry, where it most feels comfy for you. You also need to understand what the laws and meaning of "force" is. You can't just pull out and go Rambo when you feel like. You have to meet force with equal force.

I've taken safety courses and self defense courses on handling threats with and without weapons.

Train on the range as much as possible. Shooting with both hands. Then one, then the other.

And most important is to have some sort of law protection like I have US Law Shield because we are black, so...

I'm not into the non-lethal stuff. I've seen too much in my time. Don't think any of that is effective. You shouldn't be shooting at anything unless you plan to kill (by law).
You may shoot a taser and what if the person has a heart attack, you still may be liable for their death. Too many variables. Along with what if they have on clothes and bounces off or doesn't penetrate. Ugh

 

[34real]

I plan on getting a license and I still may not legally own one but just having and exercising the right to own one is good in my opinion.

NY is on some other shit and if I ever have one in my hand again I'm going to use it but if not I don't want no parts of it.

If the numbers start to go up in blacks legally owning guns I wonder what Uncle Sam will do?it ain't no fun when the nigga has the gun

 

[xxxbishopxxx]

Tons of threads on here of those who carry.
Just learn to use it, how to carry, where it most feels comfy for you. You also need to understand what the laws and meaning of "force" is. You can't just pull out and go Rambo when you feel like. You have to meet force with equal force.

I've taken safety courses and self defense courses on handling threats with and without weapons.

Train on the range as much as possible. Shooting with both hands. Then one, then the other.

And most important is to have some sort of law protection like I have US Law Shield because we are black, so...

I'm not into the non-lethal stuff. I've seen too much in my time. Don't think any of that is effective. You shouldn't be shooting at anything unless you plan to kill (by law).
You may shoot a taser and what if the person has a heart attack, you still may be liable for their death. Too many variables. Along with what if they have on clothes and bounces off or doesn't penetrate. Ugh

serious question, is pepper spray or Mace (if you can buy it legally) a legit option? Can regular folk buy weapons that shoot pepper balls like the police? I only ask because some of these dudes be running around with body armor, and most folks packing ain't going to have the fire power to stop them anyway. At least, some sort of mace or pepper projectile can blind them and slow them down enough to get out of there.

Again not trying to be funny.

 

[darth frosty]

A good discussion and info can be found here:

Concealed Carry personal protection thread

This is a post I made in the Cleveland FB shooter thread's: Seriously step yaw concealed carry game up, get yo permit and get whatever you can afford or that's comfortable for you. I picked this up yesterday to add to the collection Berretta Pico 6+1. 380 shit feels good in yo hands and...

www.bgol.us

 

[Mixd]

serious question, is pepper spray or Mace (if you can buy it legally) a legit option? Can regular folk buy weapons that shoot pepper balls like the police? I only ask because some of these dudes be running around with body armor, and most folks packing ain't going to have the fire power to stop them anyway. At least, some sort of mace or pepper projectile can blind them and slow them down enough to get out of there.

Again not trying to be funny.

Pepper and mace are legal to carry here as far as I know. My daughter always had throuout college. It's on her keychains always.

I say use whatever works. It's just in all my years on the streets of NY as an EMT, seen police use that and tasers and seen people still come rushing at them.

There's 64,000 scenarios of what could happen with an idiot, best to get away, even if you carry. You will be the one in a court room, he's dead, family grieving and you are the bad guy, don't care if he had armor. Your gun should be your last resort to defend yourself. So get away from a threatening situation and do not create or ignite one. Not unless you looking to earn them silver bracelets.

 

[gene cisco]

Been armed since I was a teen. 30 years or so. Once you been caught without it and live, it's just not even up for debate. You never fucking know. Ain't much good being aware of your situation(the most important part of self-defense) if you can't do shit about it.

 

[younggiftedandblack]

I carry a Glock 26 in a pocket holster.

 

[TX4lyfe]

Finding the right holster is the biggest problem. You’ll want something that’s going to be secure and comfortable. Whether I carry or not depends on where I’m going and what I’m wearing

 

[woodchuck]

serious question, is pepper spray or Mace (if you can buy it legally) a legit option? Can regular folk buy weapons that shoot pepper balls like the police? I only ask because some of these dudes be running around with body armor, and most folks packing ain't going to have the fire power to stop them anyway. At least, some sort of mace or pepper projectile can blind them and slow them down enough to get out of there.

Again not trying to be funny.

 

[Coldchi]

open carry..........................
very seldom do i carry concealed.

i just love the pissed off looks the pigs give me when they see me carrying and aint shit they can do about it.

 

[Mixd]

Comments alone are hilarious. $400 for that thing. Smh

 

[killagram]

I been toting fiyah...since I was 12 years old...and I damn sure ain't bout to stop now...brah

 

[Walter Panov]

OP, have you ever heard of Ogun pepper spray?

 

[dinka64]

Springfield hellcat daily carry. 30 rounds

 

[HotNixon36]

I stop carrying guns way back, no need, I am no longer in the streets. If people know you carry, they will burn your ass. It's good for home protection, but trouble in the streets.

Anywhere you need a gun, don't go...

 

[Don Coreleone]

Every Black man, woman, and child should own fire arm and a AR15. I could post more videos like the one's above but I think I've made my point.

 

[RoadRage]

If you have a stable family with no fighting, no folks with criminal history trafficking in and out of your crib, no crazy jump-offs pushing your buttons, no history of mental illnesses, and everyone in your household has a calm demeanor and rational behavior, then you should be good. If not then at the same weapon you think is there to protect you has a good chance of being used against you or it might get you into trouble you cannot get out of.
Saying every black man should own a AR 15 is bullshit, especially if you are hot-tempered and live with a bunch of folks who are overly emotional and prone to violence.

 

[Mixd]

especially if you are hot-tempered and live with a bunch of folks who are overly emotional and prone to violence.

 

[Mixd]

I stop carrying guns way back, no need, I am no longer in the streets. If people know you carry, they will burn your ass. It's good for home protection, but trouble in the streets.

Anywhere you need a gun, don't go...

Then I guess it applies to where you are and your mental.

I carry everywhere. I have been in situations where I have had to keep my temper and not show that I carry. Have had CAC's test me.

But any and anywhere you go you never know what could happen.

I asked my instructor when I took my carry class in all the years when has he had to use his weapon. He never has had to. But one instance when his neighbor's wife called him when she had an intruder in the house. She called next door from her bedroom closet abd she hid in there with her daughter.

Dude ran over with his piece and he learned something. The burglar was gone probably when she yelled out. But he learned that from that day he started carrying an extra clip. He said he wish he had one. What if the intruder was 2-3 guys or more? What is one clip gonna do.

You can't say carrying and you won't need it.
Look at the Buffalo massacre. Those people were just shopping for groceries.

No one goes outside looking for trouble. I don't. I'm just prepared as much as I can for if something was to jump off.

Situational awareness at all times as much as possible and I always look for ways to get out from wherever I am.

Using deadly force is a last resort or you better have no witnesses and a damn good alibi/story.

 

[TRUFICTION]

serious question, is pepper spray or Mace (if you can buy it legally) a legit option? Can regular folk buy weapons that shoot pepper balls like the police? I only ask because some of these dudes be running around with body armor, and most folks packing ain't going to have the fire power to stop them anyway. At least, some sort of mace or pepper projectile can blind them and slow them down enough to get out of there.

Again not trying to be funny.

While I understand you hesitancy about having lethal weapons because
no one want to go through all the shit that comes with killing another human being,
I feel that it is a necessary tool in todays world for survival..
Life is a food chain and I don't plan to sit still while someone else feasts off my carcass.
I also studied martial arts (Aikido) and spent many hours on weapons against hands and so on...

Fact is though, damn near everyone in my Dojo also conceal carried. I've been a conceal carry member for
At least the last 30 years in three different and about to become the 4th state. I don't leave home without it.
Its like that Big Joker in the Spades game of life. Even though On a rare occasion it can get played badly
Id rather have it and know that its there than to get caught without it.
I'm not trying to blind anyone who is trying to take my life.
One of us gotta go and It wont be me if I can help it

 

[Mrboogieallnight]

serious question, is pepper spray or Mace (if you can buy it legally) a legit option? Can regular folk buy weapons that shoot pepper balls like the police? I only ask because some of these dudes be running around with body armor, and most folks packing ain't going to have the fire power to stop them anyway. At least, some sort of mace or pepper projectile can blind them and slow them down enough to get out of there.

Again not trying to be funny.

I recently came across a company that sells "less than lethal" firearms that shoot pepper balls. I think they say that its legal in all states. I'm like cool I can take this back to jersey when I go visit. I did some more research and hell no that shit ain't legal in jersey lol. So what you're asking is a good question. Each state is different when it comes to what they consider weapons

 

[killagram]

I recently came across a company that sells "less than lethal" firearms that shoot pepper balls. I think they say that its legal in all states. I'm like cool I can take this back to jersey when I go visit. I did some more research and hell no that shit ain't legal in jersey lol. So what you're asking is a good question. Each state is different when it comes to what they consider weapons

they call me MR.KILLABISH...IN my old Hood off 18w...brah

 

[xxxbishopxxx]

While I understand you hesitancy about having lethal weapons because
no one want to go through all the shit that comes with killing another human being,
I feel that it is a necessary tool in todays world for survival..
Life is a food chain and I don't plan to sit still while someone else feasts off my carcass.
I also studied martial arts (Aikido) and spent many hours on weapons against hands and so on...

Fact is though, damn near everyone in my Dojo also conceal carried. I've been a conceal carry member for
At least the last 30 years in three different and about to become the 4th state. I don't leave home without it.
Its like that Big Joker in the Spades game of life. Even though On a rare occasion it can get played badly
Id rather have it and know that its there than to get caught without it.
I'm not trying to blind anyone who is trying to take my life.
One of us gotta go and It wont be me if I can help it

To be clear, I'm not against conceal carry or against taking life in extreme situations. My issue is that folks are running around in body amour is starting to be a trend (seems to me anyway). I think it's safe to say that the large majority of folks won't have the fire power to stop these fools. At which point, what are your options if you come up on one these people and it becomes a them or you situation? I just asking about mace/pepper options because, to me anyway, that option may work out better for you than an actual weapon. Instead of trying to get lucky trying to find a weak spot in the armor to hit, a blast of mace/pepper spray into their eyes/nose may give you the few seconds you need to get to cover.

Sorry if that sound naive, just thinking out-loud.

 

[xxxbishopxxx]

I stop carrying guns way back, no need, I am no longer in the streets. If people know you carry, they will burn your ass. It's good for home protection, but trouble in the streets.

Anywhere you need a gun, don't go...

A lot of the recent shootings occurred at places where people were just doing regular stuff. Grocery Stores, shopping centers, churches, movie theaters, doctor's office. there was no reason for people to get killed or even shot at for going to these places.

 

[Mixd]

To be clear, I'm not against conceal carry or against taking life in extreme situations. My issue is that folks are running around in body amour is starting to be a trend (seems to me anyway). I think it's safe to say that the large majority of folks won't have the fire power to stop these fools. At which point, what are your options if you come up on one these people and it becomes a them or you situation? I just asking about mace/pepper options because, to me anyway, that option may work out better for you than an actual weapon. Instead of trying to get lucky trying to find a weak spot in the armor to hit, a blast of mace/pepper spray into their eyes/nose may give you the few seconds you need to get to cover.

Sorry if that sound naive, just thinking out-loud.

What body armor?
One time to the dome and he done. Lol

All jokes aside, all that covers is center mass. You can still hit legs and take him down or the head. I've never seen anyone in the streets with body armor. Just these ones that people wear that looks like it but is a tactical vest for fashion.

Anyone wearing body armor, with me and my fam I'm out. Not confronting that unless they came at me.

 

[shaddyvillethug]

Been armed since I was a teen. 30 years or so. Once you been caught without it and live, it's just not even up for debate. You never fucking know. Ain't much good being aware of your situation(the most important part of self-defense) if you can't do shit about it.

So u was Tamir Rice with a actual gun

Bet

 

[xxxbishopxxx]

What body armor?
One time to the dome and he done. Lol

All jokes aside, all that covers is center mass. You can still hit legs and take him down or the head. I've never seen anyone in the streets with body armor. Just these ones that people wear that looks like it but is a tactical vest for fashion.

Anyone wearing body armor, with me and my fam I'm out. Not confronting that unless they came at me.

the buffalo shooter had body armor and the black guard was killed because his gun couldn't penetrate the amour. There been a couple of other cases like this.

You are also assuming that in a shoot-out the average joe can get in a fire-fight and be John Wick/Rambo with a weapon. We know that's not true.

 

[shaddyvillethug]

It seems like everyday I see or hear about someone being shot, shot and killed, and including mass shootings. It tears at me. I do not have a gun in my home or carry one on me. Now, I am not against guns. Its just not my thing. I haven't touched a gun, since I was in the military, many years ago.

I was taught martial arts when I was younger. Mainly kenpo karate, then got into muay thai as an adult. As of right now? I'm pretty much out of shape. Ha. Working on that. I mention that, because I do feel somewhat comfortable to defense myself or others, but I'm no Bruce Leroy. I just got engaged this past January and closed on a house a week ago. Home invasions, gun shootings, etc are always on my mind these days.

For the first time, I'm thinking of getting some form of extended defense. I looked into non lethal weapons and came across some interesting things. Basically paintball guns with mace. But I'm not sure that's not enough. Then I think about the recent shooting in the grocery store in NY and I realize that such a weapon could have probably stopped the shooter, since he had on so much armor.

Well, I can go on and on. I'm in a confused state as of now. Part of me wants to get something non-lethal like this. Then part of me, just says, I should get a small gun, like this, and wear it concealed. Then the other part of me, is just like relax, we all die.

So how do you feel? Do you carry a gun? Are you against it? How do you feel about it?

@killagram

Get u a blick brah
Stop playing
@gene cisco

yawl had these blicks??????????????????

 

[TRUFICTION]

To be clear, I'm not against conceal carry or against taking life in extreme situations. My issue is that folks are running around in body amour is starting to be a trend (seems to me anyway). I think it's safe to say that the large majority of folks won't have the fire power to stop these fools. At which point, what are your options if you come up on one these people and it becomes a them or you situation? I just asking about mace/pepper options because, to me anyway, that option may work out better for you than an actual weapon. Instead of trying to get lucky trying to find a weak spot in the armor to hit, a blast of mace/pepper spray into their eyes/nose may give you the few seconds you need to get to cover.

Sorry if that sound naive, just thinking out-loud.

If you can hit them in the face with mace of pepper spray
You can hit them in the face with a bullet.
I get what you're saying but Im still not going to simply be a sitting duck.....

 

[xxxbishopxxx]

If you can hit them in the face with mace of pepper spray
You can hit them in the face with a bullet.
I get what you're saying but Im still not going to simply be a sitting duck.....

that's the thing, you don't need to be as accurate with spray. You are talking about a perfect shot vs cloud of smoke/spray, hitting in the general vicinity. Anywhere near the nose/eyes can cause the desired effect.

 

[Mixd]

the buffalo shooter had body armor and the black guard was killed because his gun couldn't penetrate the amour. There been a couple of other cases like this.

You are also assuming that in a shoot-out the average joe can get in a fire-fight and be John Wick/Rambo with a weapon. We know that's not true.

I didn't know the guard didn't get thru the armor. I'm not sure about what happened, thought they said his gun jammed or he didn't shoot in time? I'm not clear on what happened.

But in any scenario like a shooting, I have been in real life situations like that, gun fire doesn't have me shook like that. I'm also not playing Rambo unless someone comes at me and mine. Or if I had a clear shot and my position isn't compromised and I was in a scenario like Buffalo or a mall maybe. My priority is to get my fam out first. My priority is always gonna be their safety when I'm out with them. And that's leaving a threatening situation.