Mueller Report Out! (AG Barr Edition: download within)

@Spectrum and others have already correctly pointed out that if Trump's actions don't merit impeachment proceedings we may as well abandon the notion of a Republic altogether and switch to a monarchy. The article lays out some important benefits of the impeachment process (namely, bringing Trump to the stand and getting his testimony on the Congressional record). I understand your concerns around the danger of handing Trump another victory but his base is locked in no matter what... they are literally a cult so crafting a strategy that even feigns concern about what they think/do is a disaster imo. Moreover Dems risk alienating those who came to the polls to give them a mandate to oppose Trump's corruption fiercely. You and @fonzerrillii have made some great points about how this would need to be done for the best tactical effect but I don't think impeachment is even a question anymore. It needs to happen or all bets are off and the next crypto-facist the dumbfuck electorate votes in will be our last.

Thanks for all the great posts guys, I've been keeping a left eye on this all day but have been too swamped to post :cool:


ALL OF THIS.
 
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2 years in and I still can't believe how this dude communicates. He'd have been fired as the CEO of any publically traded corporation on Day 3 just for his communication style. White privilege is a hell of a drug :smh:
 
2 years in and I still can't believe how this dude communicates. He'd have been fired as the CEO of any publically traded corporation on Day 3 just for his communication style. White privilege is a hell of a drug :smh:

If it's one thing this Trump administration has effectively proven then it's truly what it means to be WHITE, MALE, and RICH! The level of crap that he and his group has been able to do and are STILL in power is unparalleled. When you consider cats were getting ready to impeach O over a tan suit and gray poupon...Wow!
 
If it's one thing this Trump administration has effectively proven then it's truly what it means to be WHITE, MALE, and RICH! The level of crap that he and his group has been able to do and are STILL in power is unparalleled. When you consider cats were getting ready to impeach O over a tan suit and gray poupon...Wow!

Obama was in the Oval Office without a tie on without a suit jacket and they literally said this was proof he was "unfit for the office".
 
If it's one thing this Trump administration has effectively proven then it's truly what it means to be WHITE, MALE, and RICH! The level of crap that he and his group has been able to do and are STILL in power is unparalleled. When you consider cats were getting ready to impeach O over a tan suit and gray poupon...Wow!
Don't forget the great arugula uproar of'11

Had CACs
:angry::curse::furious:
 
@Spectrum and others have already correctly pointed out that if Trump's actions don't merit impeachment proceedings we may as well abandon the notion of a Republic altogether and switch to a monarchy. The article lays out some important benefits of the impeachment process (namely, bringing Trump to the stand and getting his testimony on the Congressional record). I understand your concerns around the danger of handing Trump another victory but his base is locked in no matter what... they are literally a cult so crafting a strategy that even feigns concern about what they think/do is a disaster imo. Moreover Dems risk alienating those who came to the polls to give them a mandate to oppose Trump's corruption fiercely. You and @fonzerrillii have made some great points about how this would need to be done for the best tactical effect but I don't think impeachment is even a question anymore. It needs to happen or all bets are off and the next crypto-facist the dumbfuck electorate votes in will be our last.

Thanks for all the great posts guys, I've been keeping a left eye on this all day but have been too swamped to post :cool:
that fucker told his aides to interfere in the investigation but unfortunately they didnt. Cause if they had his ass would be toast
 
Here's the bottomline as I see it and I don't think you've acknowledge enough. The Dems would need a miracle of all miracles and election turn out that make Obama/Biden 2008 looks like child's play in order to win. Why?

1) The system has been gamed like never before
2) You have the biggest crook in the WH that ain't planning on leaving
3) Is Russian friends don't want him leaving either
4) Members of the Senate don't want him gone neither

How do you overcome all of that by sticking with status quo?
Come on man. When the republicans just took an L in the mid-terms, folks couldn't keep from talking about what it represented. You and I both know if Obama were allowed to run again, he'd win in 2020. Why? Because he'd carry states like Ohio. It's that simple.

Democrats have a problem relating to middle America and they also don't have a rockstar. They ain't winning a state like Ohio with 'Trump is a bad man' politics. You think it's a coincidence that the only two democrats that Ohio has voted for in recent decades were rockstars?

If all democrats got is talking about Russia, the wall, and he hurts feelings, they can chalk up 2020. Middle America don't give a fuck. Until democrats understand to middle America MAGA represents being able to have a turn-screw job and live a middle-class lifestyle they will fail against Trump.

Moving forward, this Mueller report is about as valuable as toilet tissue to democrats. :smh: And I'm not saying that it shouldn't be important. I'm not saying Trump shouldn't be perp walked. What I'm saying is we have to deal with reality and how people are in this world.
 
Come on man. When the republicans just took an L in the mid-terms, folks couldn't keep from talking about what it represented. You and I both know if Obama were allowed to run again, he'd win in 2020. Why? Because he'd carry states like Ohio. It's that simple.

Democrats have a problem relating to middle America and they also don't have a rockstar. They ain't winning a state like Ohio with 'Trump is a bad man' politics. You think it's a coincidence that the only two democrats that Ohio has voted for in recent decades were rockstars?

If all democrats got is talking about Russia, the wall, and he hurts feelings, they can chalk up 2020. Middle America don't give a fuck. Until democrats understand to middle America MAGA represents being able to have a turn-screw job and live a middle-class lifestyle they will fail against Trump.

Moving forward, this Mueller report is about as valuable as toilet tissue to democrats. :smh: And I'm not saying that it shouldn't be important. I'm not saying Trump shouldn't be perp walked. What I'm saying is we have to deal with reality and how people are in this world.

I don't know man. Obama from my knowledge never faced against the other candidate and their Russian sponsors. This isn't your typical election climate anymore where a rockstar can rock on and win with straight swag! This is some Kremlin sponsored deep state KGB massive operation which I think you're not giving enough credit too.

I suspect they tried and to some degree have influenced some elections. But they haven't, until Trump, found a person indebted and greedy at all cost to sign up for their help. There's more than enough that's been reported and in the M.report itself to show how deeply ingrained they were in the election process.

BTW, you're right about the House. But consider, that's multiple elections across the country to logistically try to influence whereas the Presidency is about two people. The incumbent and the challenger which makes counterINTEL a lot easier to manage, implement and manipulate accordingly.
 
that fucker told his aides to interfere in the investigation but unfortunately they didnt. Cause if they had his ass would be toast

Maaaan, the fact he would have interfered successfully but for the fact his aides refused to cooperate is damning enough. The level of corruption unveiled in the portions of the report we have access to is stunning.

Come on man. When the republicans just took an L in the mid-terms, folks couldn't keep from talking about what it represented. You and I both know if Obama were allowed to run again, he'd win in 2020. Why? Because he'd carry states like Ohio. It's that simple.

Democrats have a problem relating to middle America and they also don't have a rockstar. They ain't winning a state like Ohio with 'Trump is a bad man' politics. You think it's a coincidence that the only two democrats that Ohio has voted for in recent decades were rockstars?

If all democrats got is talking about Russia, the wall, and he hurts feelings, they can chalk up 2020. Middle America don't give a fuck. Until democrats understand to middle America MAGA represents being able to have a turn-screw job and live a middle-class lifestyle they will fail against Trump.

Moving forward, this Mueller report is about as valuable as toilet tissue to democrats. :smh: And I'm not saying that it shouldn't be important. I'm not saying Trump shouldn't be perp walked. What I'm saying is we have to deal with reality and how people are in this world.

You're definitely right that the presumptive Dem candidate will need to speak to what they stand for rather than campaigning solely on opposition to Trump. Most of the front runners seem to understand this already.

There's a world in which holding Trump accountable for his fuckery while campaigning on a platform of Democratic priorities aren't mutually exclusive.
 

It's things like this and people willing to try and donate up to 7B of their own personal $$$ to build the wall that tells you all you need to know. There are some serious monsters in this country! Don't you ever forget that for 1 second. What's probably worst is only so much of them are vocal about their thoughts. A great majority(I believe) are those same people you see at your job, your kids teachers, the post office worker, the white lady at the grocery story that always smiles and says hello! etc.

A good portion of them don't look like the tattooed redneck that many of us are expecting!

Think about the mental state you have to be in to hear some of the things highlighted in the M.Report and yet reach into your pocket to pull out your own money and donate to Trump? That's a level of mental psychosis and hate that many of us can't even phantom.
 
Man Foxnews is fucking hilarious ...

Oh the collusion hoax.. where’s the collusion...

These idiots are up here outright refusing to talk about that the Obstruction element was the reason why we have an special consul and on that shit.. Mueller found Obstruction...
 
Also after watching Elizabeth Warren’s interview on Rachel... Ive been pulled to the impeachment side...

but I still say.. Hold off until Mueller testifies after Barr...

I still think you have to have Mueller day in front of people “I intended Congress to make the decision on Obstruction”

If he says that.. Republicans who hinder that proceeding are on the clock.
 

Think about the mental state you have to be in to hear some of the things highlighted in the M.Report and yet reach into your pocket to pull out your own money and donate to Trump? That's a level of mental psychosis and hate that many of us can't even phantom.




Very well said. Shit is beyond troubling & disturbing.
 
Also after watching Elizabeth Warren’s interview on Rachel... Ive been pulled to the impeachment side...

but I still say.. Hold off until Mueller testifies after Barr...

I still think you have to have Mueller day in front of people “I intended Congress to make the decision on Obstruction”

If he says that.. Republicans who hinder that proceeding are on the clock.

Mueller seems to walk a tight rope. If he didn't flat out recommend an impeachment suggestion or clear obstruction conclusion in his report then why would he in front of congress? If anything, I would expect him to answer questions like he wrote in his report. Essentially presenting the facts as investigated and written in his report. Pretty much sticking to that tightrope walk and basically saying Congress is going to have to make a final decision on what to do with the information.
 
Come on man. When the republicans just took an L in the mid-terms, folks couldn't keep from talking about what it represented. You and I both know if Obama were allowed to run again, he'd win in 2020. Why? Because he'd carry states like Ohio. It's that simple.

Democrats have a problem relating to middle America and they also don't have a rockstar. They ain't winning a state like Ohio with 'Trump is a bad man' politics. You think it's a coincidence that the only two democrats that Ohio has voted for in recent decades were rockstars?

If all democrats got is talking about Russia, the wall, and he hurts feelings, they can chalk up 2020. Middle America don't give a fuck. Until democrats understand to middle America MAGA represents being able to have a turn-screw job and live a middle-class lifestyle they will fail against Trump.

Moving forward, this Mueller report is about as valuable as toilet tissue to democrats. :smh: And I'm not saying that it shouldn't be important. I'm not saying Trump shouldn't be perp walked. What I'm saying is we have to deal with reality and how people are in this world.


I agree and disagree...

It depends on what mueller says on TV...

While I complete agree with the Democrats rockstar and midwestern issues... I do think that open hearings will start to eventually force the RNC’s mhand...

Also... I will have to finally say this..

after watching how Bernie eviscerated that FoxNews Town Hall .... I’m on the Bernie train right now..

I would be down for a Bernie Beato combo...

Also that Mayor Buttigreg dude is fucking Rising right now...

I still don’t think the country is ready for a Gay president ... but I also didn’t think that Obama or Trump had a chance..

So fuck it Anything is possible
 
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