Mayweather vs. Mosley-Who Wins?

[Upgrade Dave]

No doubt, I call bullshit on the less threatening angle as well. The truth is, I think Floyd has a problem with how much more dominant Manny was against common opponents. And for Dudes to say that Floyd 'ruined' anybody is absurd! He might have beat them, but in no way did he dominate or hurt anyone physically like Manny did. And even though he had Hatton hurt, he was more hurt by that corner buckle than the punch. Manny damn near decapitated his ass, and did it more quickly! Same thing with DLH, Manny really fucked him up, I've never seen someone fuck up Oscar like that...basically treated him like a bitch! And Cotto, he basically took that Dude's heart out of his chest and wash up or not, no one has EVER taken Cotto's heart like that...Manny fucked him up! And now, because he is unable to dominate like that, the only PBF could do is make baseless accusations?!?!? That's why I'm of the camp, unless you've got something real, go fuck yourself!!! I ain't got to prove shit to you, you need to prove me wrong with actual factuals!!!!

Don't ever talk about me assuming anything else when you make these type of assertions and probably with a straight face.
Floyd beat Oscar at jr. middleweight, giving away at least 5 pounds, with Oscar coming off beating the shit out of (the vastly overrated) Ricardo Mayorga. Manny beat him 2 yrs. later at a virtually unnatural weight for DLH, at his age. A weight he hadn't fought at in nearly a decade.
The corner buckle did more hurt Hatton worse than the punch preceding it? Turnbuckles don't even hurt in wrestling.
While Pac obliterated Hatton compared to Mayweather just knocking him out, Floyd will always be able to say he beat him before anyone else (fuck Luis Collazo).

Again (hopefully for the last time since both fighters have new fights) random testing isn't meant to catch, it's meant to deter.

 

[Jordan Diddy Buk]

John Whisler - John Whisler

Ordinarily, this would be an occasion to celebrate. To pull out the calendar, circle the dates and swell with anticipation.

Manny Pacquiao is fighting Joshua Clottey on March 13 at Cowboys Stadium. It's a pretty big fight that figures to be an even bigger event. More than 20,000 tickets were sold the first day.

Floyd Mayweather Jr. and Shane Mosley apparently are hooking up May 1 at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas. It's a fight that would have been better 10 years ago, but one that still carries plenty of intrigue.

The problem is, neither fight is Pacquiao-Mayweather.

Two months ago, the bout that left fans wild with anticipation looked like a done deal.

Money, the usual hurdle during negotiations, was cleared in a single leap.

Both egos — er, fighters — immediately agreed to a 50-50 split of the purse that, counting pay-per-view profits, was projected to be as high as $80 million.

But then a funny thing — even for boxing — happened on the way to the vault.

Mayweather demanded random, Olympic-style blood tests. He agreed to take them, too, but they were aimed at Pacquiao, a seven-division champion and reigning pound-for-pound king Mayweather's camp believes got there by using performance-enhancing drugs.

The two parties never could agree on how many tests or when they should be taken, and the fight imploded like an old warehouse during demolition.

Just when you thought boxing was about to get it right, it got it totally wrong. The sport punched itself in the gut and tumbled face-first to the canvas.

Just like that, the fight was KO'd, infuriating boxing fans everywhere.

The principals involved — fighters, managers and promoters alike — all ought to be taken to the woodshed and thrashed mightily over this debacle.

Who's to blame? There's certainly plenty of it to spread around, but most of it must be laid at the feet of Mayweather.

Pacquiao doesn't come away from this unscathed. By refusing to have blood drawn inside of 24 days before the fight, he looks like he's hiding something.

Pacquiao fears such tests would weaken him, but most medical experts agree the amount of blood drawn even the day before the fight is so small, it would have no effect on the fighter.

But why would Mayweather even bring up the issue in the first place?

Pacquiao has never tested positive for anything, before or after a fight. And Mayweather's logic that Pacquiao's rise from light flyweight to welterweight had to be fueled by steroids is flawed, too.

Pacquiao was only 16 when he began his professional career at 106 pounds. When Mayweather was 16, he was an amateur who weighed — you guessed it — 106 pounds.

Pacquiao's rise is unusual, but it is not unprecedented.

Roberto Duran, for example, was 16 when he made his pro debut at 118 pounds. He went on to win titles at 135, 147, 154 and 160.

It could be that Pacquiao, like Duran, is simply a great fighter, one that only comes along once in a generation.

Pacquiao shouldn't have to subject himself to the blood testing because no state, including Nevada, requires it for boxing. Perhaps they should, but they don't.

Mayweather can't write his own rules.

Larry Merchant, the respected HBO commentator, likened the whole negotiation process to a dominance ritual where each fighter tries to impose his will on the other.

Maybe that's what is at the root of all this nonsense.

In the meantime, we're left with two fights that carry their own intrigue, but in reality amount to little more than consolation prizes.

JOHN WHISLER'S VIEW FROM THE CORNER

Opening flurry:

Blame game

The Manny Pacquiao-Floyd Mayweather Jr. megafight is dead, at least for now, but the finger pointing shows no signs of letting up.

Who’s to blame?

Here’s a sampling of local opinion:

Joe Morales, boxer: Blames Mayweather — “Pacquiao taking performance-enhancing drugs has never been an issue before. I think Mayweather is worried about his undefeated record.”

Celina Salazar, boxer: Mayweather — “I don’t think Pacquiao takes steroids. Just look at how he trains. Taking a blood test the week of the fight would weaken him.”

Hector Ramos, boxer: Pacquiao — “If Pacquiao’s clean, he should take the tests.”

Tony Ayala Sr., trainer: Mayweather — “I think Mayweather was just trying to find a way out. ”

Adam Lopez, boxer: Pacquiao — “Just look at Pacquiao’s last few fights. He keeps going up in weight yet there is no let-up in volume of punches. That’s not normal.”

‘Jesse’ James Leija, former boxer: Mayweather — “What Pacquiao offered in terms of testing was sufficient. No one ever said anything about steroids until Mayweather brought it up.”

Joe Lopez, trainer: Mayweather — “Mayweather’s trying to make rules like he’s the commissioner. I could see one blood test, but that’s it.”

Skip Wilson, Golden Gloves director: Mayweather — “I think it’s just a smokescreen. Why would Mayweather even bring up the issue?”

Ton Pastran, trainer: Pacquiao — “I think Pacquiao’s hiding something.”

Jesus Chavez, Austin boxer: Mayweather — “Mayweather needs Pacquiao, but Pacquiao doesn’t need Mayweather.”

 

[Upgrade Dave]

another thing. Let's hear PBF talk about Shane using setroid his whole career now. I bet he will treat Shane who has been proven to have used roids much better than he did Manny who never was associated with drug use before. But we all know why.

1) He was scared of Manny
2) PBF is a GBP fighter
3) He should be able to beat an old and rusty Shane

I am positive he will not go on about drugs. I bet money Oscar won't say "we got to do these test cause we all know that shane has cheated in the past. All this trying to paint PBF as some sad and sorry hero trying to clean up the sport is a joke. Figuring we are all talking about the guy who said he didn't care about the sport and only money.

Let me help you with some reality so you don't go and say this insanity in front of people:

Floyd already trashed Shane as a "steroid cheat" years ago but he won't need to bring this up because Mosley as already agreed to the testing. If Manny had agreed, this wouldn't even have been a conversation and we'd be talking about the upcoming fight between the two.

I assume Manny's guilty because he did things that make me suspicious. I think that's fair since you think Floyd's afraid of Manny, apparently because he did things to make you think that. Okay, now that's an understanding.

 

[merce77]

another thing. Let's hear PBF talk about Shane using setroid his whole career now. I bet he will treat Shane who has been proven to have used roids much better than he did Manny who never was associated with drug use before. But we all know why.

1) He was scared of Manny
2) PBF is a GBP fighter
3) He should be able to beat an old and rusty Shane

I am positive he will not go on about drugs. I bet money Oscar won't say "we got to do these test cause we all know that shane has cheated in the past. All this trying to paint PBF as some sad and sorry hero trying to clean up the sport is a joke. Figuring we are all talking about the guy who said he didn't care about the sport and only money.

Actually Oscar said in an interview I read a couple weeks ao that he's behind May 100% because he fought and lost to a guy who was on roids, Shane Mosley.

 

[Jordan Diddy Buk]

Actually Oscar said in an interview I read a couple weeks ao that he's behind May 100% because he fought and lost to a guy who was on roids, Shane Mosley.

that was before his business partner signed to fight pbf. when he said that gbp was also promoting a fight with a cheater and never suggested shane do anything different.

 

[Jordan Diddy Buk]

Let me help you with some reality so you don't go and say this insanity in front of people:

Floyd already trashed Shane as a "steroid cheat" years ago but he won't need to bring this up because Mosley as already agreed to the testing. If Manny had agreed, this wouldn't even have been a conversation and we'd be talking about the upcoming fight between the two.

I assume Manny's guilty because he did things that make me suspicious. I think that's fair since you think Floyd's afraid of Manny, apparently because he did things to make you think that. Okay, now that's an understanding.

I am saying the same thing lots of people are saying. he is fighting a man that admitting to steroid but it made sense for him to mention it when there was zero chance of them fighting but now it is off limits. also I actually am making a great deal of sense. saying someone is guilty of cheating and calling someone scared ar not even in the same universe.

 

[Zeferino]

Again. Forty million - pride, drawing blood weakens him. Walks away. Bullshit. I don't believe a word of that shit. When it finally comes to the light, remember I told you. I also believe that Michael Moorer did kick it to Floyd's camp after being let go by Roach and Pac and Manny's camp threatened to sue the shit out of him if he didn't make a public statement completely denouncing it. James Toney was taking illegal substances when he won his heavyweight belt and Roach was his trainer. Not to mention Pacs good friend, filipino wrestler Dave Batista has been accused numerous times of taking roids and had his name linked to many steroid investigations. Who's to say PAc hasn't tested positive and it was overlooked. PAc is a cash cow for anybody involved in one of his fights, niccas ain't gonna kill the goose that lays the golden egg. You think if OScar had tested positive for some substance when he was making all that money for everybody that they would actually have blown the whistle on homie? You're not that naive. Anyway, just name me another fighter with Pacs limited skill set who has accomplished what he's accomplished.

First, Pac doesn't look like he took a lot of punishment to me even in that photo. He looks relatively clean for being a guy that likes to trade a lot and just went 11 rounds with Cotto. I think that's a testament to his defense.

Also, if you think Pac has a limited skill set, then we're just not going to agree on much regarding this topic. I happen to believe that his greatly improved and currently varied skill set is what's allowing him to be so destructive lately. And it's obvious. All you have to do is pop in tapes of him fighting Barrera the first time and even Marquez the first time. Pac's style has evolved tremendously since then as he now throws the right hand, slips punches and then counters often. The guy is nice with those hands and is currently far from limited IMO.

I can't see how people that profess to be boxing fans can't notice how Pac's skills have just evolved. People talk about how he beat up DLH as if he just walked right up to him, ate all of Oscar's leather, and just banged him out of there. Oscar's real problem in that fight was that he couldn't hit Pacquiao. Pac had Oscar missing all night long and EVERY time Oscar missed, Pac made his ass pay big time. That takes skill and that's why Pac is whipping ass.

Roberto Duran had the same problem. People were always looking at him like some face first, forward moving brute but the guy also had a great, deceptive defense that he coupled with an explosive offense. As a matter of fact, Pac has a style very similar to Duran's.

Finally, I don't think PED's can improve your boxing skills, make you throw more right hands, and make you have a better defense.

I refuse to entertain any baseless theories about why Pac must be using PED's. When Pac goes starts knocking out Paul Williams and Kelly Pavlik, then I'll entertain those theories. But I'm not going to be convinced that he's on PED's because in his SECOND fight at welter he went 11 rounds with an already beaten up Cotto and got a stoppage. Cotto was chopped liver by the time he got to Pac. Even Clottey could have had him out of there had he moved his hands more.

 

[TJervey]

Don't ever talk about me assuming anything else when you make these type of assertions and probably with a straight face.
Floyd beat Oscar at jr. middleweight, giving away at least 5 pounds, with Oscar coming off beating the shit out of (the vastly overrated) Ricardo Mayorga. Manny beat him 2 yrs. later at a virtually unnatural weight for DLH, at his age. A weight he hadn't fought at in nearly a decade.
The corner buckle did more hurt Hatton worse than the punch preceding it? Turnbuckles don't even hurt in wrestling.
While Pac obliterated Hatton compared to Mayweather just knocking him out, Floyd will always be able to say he beat him before anyone else (fuck Luis Collazo).

Again (hopefully for the last time since both fighters have new fights) random testing isn't meant to catch, it's meant to deter.

Damn Dude! Didn't mean to make you go to your high voice and shit! I apologize...Damn!
Seriously though...if you look at Floyds history, he has made it his career objective to lessen the accomplishments of others in comparison to his. Also, the same contention you make to lessen Manny's accomplishments concerning DLH and Hatton you ignore in glorifying PBF's win over Marquez...all the chirping about how dominant Floyd was in that fight disregarding the fact that Marquez was fighting two weight classes higher and is a few years older and has been in a few wars since he last fought Manny actually makes your rebuttal a little hypocritical. You can't have it both ways Dude...

 

[Upgrade Dave]

I am saying the same thing lots of people are saying. he is fighting a man that admitting to steroid but it made sense for him to mention it when there was zero chance of them fighting but now it is off limits. also I actually am making a great deal of sense. saying someone is guilty of cheating and calling someone scared ar not even in the same universe.

No, you're not. Floyd doesn't have to mention it now because Shane took it off the table by agreeing to the random testing. What's to talk about? It's over. He can only lose harping on a point that he won.
You are right on one point: those things you mentioned aren't in the same universe. I said Manny looked and behaving like a guilty man or at least one who has something to hide (only the most rabid anti-Floyd article doesn't concede even that small point) while you think Floyd's scared of Manny based on...I don't know, how you interpreted a recent interview? Did he say "I'm scared to fight Manny Pacquiao"? If not, you're just going by what you see and how you assess it, much like me and everyone else.

Damn Dude! Didn't mean to make you go to your high voice and shit! I apologize...Damn!
Seriously though...if you look at Floyds history, he has made it his career objective to lessen the accomplishments of others in comparison to his. Also, the same contention you make to lessen Manny's accomplishments concerning DLH and Hatton you ignore in glorifying PBF's win over Marquez...all the chirping about how dominant Floyd was in that fight disregarding the fact that Marquez was fighting two weight classes higher and is a few years older and has been in a few wars since he last fought Manny actually makes your rebuttal a little hypocritical. You can't have it both ways Dude...

Apology accepted.
I don't remember Floyd trashing opponents' accomplishments like he used to. I remember him calling Gatti a "C" fighter but I think he's learned to stop doing that. While he openly says he thinks he's better and going to win, I don't think he shits on guys' career like before, which is a good thing from a promoter's standpoint.
I haven't mentioned Marquez, in relation to Floyd Mayweather, in weeks so I'm not sure what praise you mean. I expected him to win, as did most people, but I was surprised with how he won over a fighter very much similar to himself.
I do not mean to diminish Manny's wins as much as put them in context with how Floyd beat the same two guys and the idea that he would be jealous that Manny beat them when they were even more diminished and with smaller audiences is crazy. So I'm not trying to have anything both ways.

 

[TJervey]

http://www.boxingscene.com/?=m=show&id=25073

I can't believe this many writers have a PBF bias?! Overall I do believe Manny has accomplished more than PBF did in the decade. Loses and all he did fight a higher level of comp and anyone who does believe that he more than contributed to the decline of Morales and Barrera can't be thinking clearly. I'll bet this vote does not sit well with PBF and I believe it is a precursor to how his career will be viewed post retirement...

 

[Spectrum]

Oh and I must agree that Williams is at least 2 years away from fighting at 168 but his height, workrate and reach would give these guys trouble even now. But his frame will naturally grow to 168 though, I really believe that. And any talk of Williams fighting at 147 is just Goosens attempt to keep his name in the mix and keep him certified as "the most avoided boxer out there". He knows damm well that Pac, Shane or Floyd ain't fighting that long ass dude, mufucca looks like he was designed by Lockheed.

 

[Spectrum]

..Fuck that Praying Manthis limb Nigga!!!!

 

[Spectrum]

Did you see that nicca Manny after the fight?!?!? His whole head was bandaged up, and yes in rounds 1 and 2, Manny took some really big shots to the jaw and body and walked through them. Kick all that you want, Manny is on something. .

Before the PED talks even came up with Floyd and his team... I thought it was extremely odd for this dude to keep coming up in weight and getting faster and stronger....KOing larger opponents.. I think i used to get back and forth about it with you before this PED shit even came up... after the Cotto fight..I was just at a lost for words...because this shit never happens...

 

[Upgrade Dave]

http://www.boxingscene.com/?=m=show&id=25073

I can't believe this many writers have a PBF bias?! Overall I do believe Manny has accomplished more than PBF did in the decade. Loses and all he did fight a higher level of comp and anyone who does believe that he more than contributed to the decline of Morales and Barrera can't be thinking clearly. I'll bet this vote does not sit well with PBF and I believe it is a precursor to how his career will be viewed post retirement...

I think he did contribute to the decline of both guys but they were both on the downhill side when he fought them. Barrera was clearing spent, still good but Manny never fought the guy Morales fought. I can't say the same thing about Morales because he won the first fight pretty clearly. In a perfect world, they would have fought at lightweight instead of Morales coming in looking like some one I should be sending .50 a day to for their fight at superfeatherweight.

 

[Zeferino]

Schaefer frustrated that Mayweather still hasn´t signed for the fight with Mosley. He states that he worries the fight may be in trouble. Why does it take Mayweather so long to close fights against tough guys his own size? Only his fans know.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?entryID=4880645&name=rafael_dan

 

[Jordan Diddy Buk]

I think he did contribute to the decline of both guys but they were both on the downhill side when he fought them. Barrera was clearing spent, still good but Manny never fought the guy Morales fought. I can't say the same thing about Morales because he won the first fight pretty clearly. In a perfect world, they would have fought at lightweight instead of Morales coming in looking like some one I should be sending .50 a day to for their fight at superfeatherweight.

You know I like to hear you breakdown the best fights each fighter had. I would love to hear how you compare the exploits of each fighter. I am interested. I disagree with you but I like to see how you look at the best fights. Because you could have the same view with PBF fights too. If you seem to have the same outlook I can't do nothing but respect that.

The way I see things is there is always a reason a fighter loses a fight. It could be on the scales, in training, lack of adjusting, or not listening to the corner. But at the end of the day it is why, but the simple fact they lost.

Diego lost to PBF cause he had trouble making weight. He had to drop down and had the court case pending. But at the end of the day it doesn't mattter he lost.
Hatton lost to Manny and he had no excuses. He was the unified champ in that division. Say what you want but his biggest fight was against a fighter that did what other couldn't do. Hatton was at his weight class and got lit up. That loss was huge. It basically made him look inept cause he had no excuse.
Morrales has no one to blame but his people. It was clear after the second fight with Manny he wasn't ready for him. Oscar lost to PBF. He lost cause he gave up on the only thing that was working for him, the jab. MAB lost to Manny because Manny was better. MAB still had enough to continue being a world champ and great fighter. Excuses of why a loss happens doesn't change it still was a lost. A win might be more impressive than another win, but credit must be given to sa certain degree.

 

[merce77]

Schaefer frustrated that Mayweather still hasn´t signed for the fight with Mosley. He states that he worries the fight may be in trouble. Why does it take Mayweather so long to close fights against tough guys his own size? Only his fans know.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?entryID=4880645&name=rafael_dan

 

[TJervey]

Schaefer frustrated that Mayweather still hasn´t signed for the fight with Mosley. He states that he worries the fight may be in trouble. Why does it take Mayweather so long to close fights against tough guys his own size? Only his fans know.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?entryID=4880645&name=rafael_dan

PBF Fans, please offer some insight on this?!?!?! This is coming from someone in Mayweather's camp per se so there is no anti-Mayweather bias!!! You guys always seem to come up with reasons (translated-excuses) for this type of behavior from Floyd, so, here we are, Shane has basically agreed to EVERYTHING Mayweather's camp has requested of sooooo.....well er ahhhh....What gives!?!?? Don't you all answer at once!

 

[TJervey]

Schaefer frustrated that Mayweather still hasn´t signed for the fight with Mosley. He states that he worries the fight may be in trouble. Why does it take Mayweather so long to close fights against tough guys his own size? Only his fans know.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?entryID=4880645&name=rafael_dan

For those of you who may not want to click the link...a lil assistance...


Where, oh where, is Floyd's signature?
Tuesday, February 2, 2010 | Print Entry
Richard Schaefer, the CEO of Golden Boy Promotions, is usually a calm, cool and collected sort. The former Swiss banker doesn't get rattled easily.

Tuesday morning, however, he sounded rattled, expressing concern about why Floyd Mayweather Jr. has not signed his contract to face welterweight champ Shane Mosley on May 1 at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas, in as big of a fight as there is in the sport.

It has been five days since both sides acknowledged an agreement on terms.

Mosley, of course, put pen to paper on Friday in Las Vegas, where his attorney, Judd Burstein, went through the paperwork with him point by point.

"He is excited to move forward with the bout," Burstein told me at the time.

Burstein also added that he had been assured by Leonard Ellerbe, one of Mayweather's advisers, that there were no problems on their side.

"I confirmed with Leonard that there are no issues," Burstein said.

Ellerbe's quote to me for the story I wrote Friday was, "All of the deal points have been agreed to. We still have to put pen to paper, but everything is agreed to."

Yet five days later, Schaefer still does not have a signed agreement from Mayweather. He was clearly at wit's end when he called me about it Tuesday morning.

"He still hasn't signed. I am so frustrated," Schaefer said. "I wanted both guys to go down to the Super Bowl in Miami to do some promotional stuff. I don't know what Floyd is waiting for. I have no clue. I have a signed contract from Shane on my desk. I have nothing from Floyd."

Schaefer said he is in constant touch with Ellerbe and Al Haymon, Mayweather's other adviser, and when he asks them where the paperwork is, the response is always the same: "Every day, it's the next day. They say, 'Don't worry, it's going to come.' Well, where is it? I'm waiting for the signature before we can move on."

Burstein said he and Mosley were also quite aggravated by the delay.

"I am outraged," Burstein said when I reached him Tuesday afternoon. "I have a client who acts in a professional manner. He allows me to negotiate a deal for him in constant consultation with him. When it all gets put on paper, we go over it and, as promised, he signs if it's OK. That's what happened on Friday. It was signed with the assurance from Al Haymon and Leonard Ellerbe that everything was agreed to and there was no problem."

So what does Burstein believe is the issue?

"It's either one of two things that has happened," he said. "Either he's rethought the wisdom of risking his undefeated record against Shane or he chooses to act like a 7-year-old. Hopefully, it's the latter and he will mature very quickly. But either of these possibilities is completely unacceptable to us. He's going to end up in a fight with Mosley. The only question is whether it will be in the ring or in court."

Now, May 1 is still a ways off, but for a megafight the magnitude of Mosley-Mayweather, kicking it off with promotional appearances at the Super Bowl is significant. When Mayweather and Oscar De La Hoya met in May 2007, their media rounds at the Super Bowl generated enormous interest in the fight, which went on to set the all-time pay-per-view record.

Schaefer wants to follow the same blueprint. He said Bernard Hopkins and Roy Jones Jr., who will meet April 3 in a pay-per-view rematch that Golden Boy is co-promoting, will be in Miami to help drum up interest in their fight, so he can't understand why Mayweather is MIA.

So I asked Schaefer if he was concerned that the Mosley-Mayweather fight might be in trouble?

His answer was simply, "Yes."

I asked him if he would elaborate.

"At this point, I don't know," he said. "We want to do some big PR, so this is frustrating. I read Leonard's quotes that it was agreed to and that it was just a matter of time to get it signed, but if it's all done, why isn't it signed?"

Schaefer has been down this road with Mayweather before, perhaps one of the reasons for his concern. He negotiated a fall 2008 rematch between Mayweather and De La Hoya, which also had been agreed to and was on the verge of being announced. However, Mayweather never signed the paperwork and instead announced his retirement, which lasted 18 months.

"I am not having flashbacks to anything, but [the Mosley fight] is still not signed," Schaefer said. "I don't know what it means. Obviously, we can't move forward with the promotion, including some important activities that were planned for this coming weekend, unless we have a signed deal."

Before negotiating with Mosley, Mayweather was close to a deal to face Manny Pacquiao on March 13 in what would have been, by far, the sport's biggest fight. But that fight fell apart shortly before what was supposed to have been a kickoff news conference in early January. The reason was because the fighters couldn't reach a compromise on drug-testing protocol. Mayweather insisted on testing that went far beyond the rules of the Nevada State Athletic Commission. While Pacquiao accepted some additional testing, he refused random blood testing.

Both fighters moved on. Pacquiao quickly made a deal to defend his welterweight belt against Joshua Clottey on March 13 at Cowboys Stadium in Arlington, Texas.

Mayweather and Mosley began their talks after Mosley's Jan. 30 unification fight with Andre Berto was canceled.

So while Pacquiao wrapped up his deal with Clottey in about two seconds and Mosley signed on the dotted line in pretty short order, we all continue to wait for Mayweather's John Hancock yet again, including Schaefer.

"I always tell you, a signed deal is a done deal," Schaefer said. "It will only be done when Floyd signs, and that hasn't happened yet. I don't know of any deal terms that are not agreed to. I don't understand it."

 

[Spectrum]

If this mofo cheats me out of the fight ive been wanting to see for years

 

[merce77]

If this mofo cheats me out of the fight ive been wanting to see for years

It's what he's best at, think of all the fights he's duped us out of while trying to convince us on every 24/7 that Hatton and Marquez were actual threats to him......Mayweather is quickly turning into boxing's biggest clown. If this fight doesn't happen it will be plainly obvious it's because of Floyd, and he should be dropped in the rankings for it and Mosley should take his spot since they have him ranked 3

 

[merce77]

PBF Fans, please offer some insight on this?!?!?! This is coming from someone in Mayweather's camp per se so there is no anti-Mayweather bias!!! You guys always seem to come up with reasons (translated-excuses) for this type of behavior from Floyd, so, here we are, Shane has basically agreed to EVERYTHING Mayweather's camp has requested of sooooo.....well er ahhhh....What gives!?!?? Don't you all answer at once!

They won't give an opinion, they only speak on things they can spin in PBF's favor.

 

[Upgrade Dave]

You know I like to hear you breakdown the best fights each fighter had. I would love to hear how you compare the exploits of each fighter. I am interested. I disagree with you but I like to see how you look at the best fights. Because you could have the same view with PBF fights too. If you seem to have the same outlook I can't do nothing but respect that.

The way I see things is there is always a reason a fighter loses a fight. It could be on the scales, in training, lack of adjusting, or not listening to the corner. But at the end of the day it is why, but the simple fact they lost.

Diego lost to PBF cause he had trouble making weight. He had to drop down and had the court case pending. But at the end of the day it doesn't mattter he lost.
Hatton lost to Manny and he had no excuses. He was the unified champ in that division. Say what you want but his biggest fight was against a fighter that did what other couldn't do. Hatton was at his weight class and got lit up. That loss was huge. It basically made him look inept cause he had no excuse.
Morrales has no one to blame but his people. It was clear after the second fight with Manny he wasn't ready for him. Oscar lost to PBF. He lost cause he gave up on the only thing that was working for him, the jab. MAB lost to Manny because Manny was better. MAB still had enough to continue being a world champ and great fighter. Excuses of why a loss happens doesn't change it still was a lost. A win might be more impressive than another win, but credit must be given to sa certain degree.

Actually buk, while we do often disagree I don't disagree with most of your breakdowns.
If Corrales couldn't make weight, he should have moved up instead of taking the fight. Either way, there was nothing that showed if they fought that fight at a higher class, it would have ended any differently.
Hatton losing to Pac: fully agree. But he shouldn't have fought Mayweather in the first place. He let the big purse and HBO push into a fight there was no way he could win.
Morrales, same thing as Corrales fighting Mayweather. He knew he wasn't a featherweight anymore but he took the fight anyway. But that's because he got thrashed so badly by Zahir Raheem, that no rematch was in the offing. By losing to Raheem so decisively, he had to meet Manny's demands. I would have loved to see them fight at lightweight.
DLH's jab was working but not to some devastating extent like I've seen people suggest. One of two things happened: Floyd took the jab from him with head movement and effective counterpunching or Oscar didn't feel it was as effective as observers perceived. It's not like Oscar was a rookie and didn't know how to handle a high profile fight and froze up.
Barrera was not a great fighter after the Pacquiao fight. Successful? Yes but his best days were way behind him at that point, similar to Ali after losing to Leon Spinks. I thought their rematch was an embarrassment for all parties involved.

Seems like Mayweather bullshit. This fight's a done deal but now he's fucking with Shane. I hope they didn't think because they were under the same umbrella, Floyd wasn't going to fuck with him.

 

[TJervey]

Actually buk, while we do often disagree I don't disagree with most of your breakdowns.
If Corrales couldn't make weight, he should have moved up instead of taking the fight. Either way, there was nothing that showed if they fought that fight at a higher class, it would have ended any differently.
Hatton losing to Pac: fully agree. But he shouldn't have fought Mayweather in the first place. He let the big purse and HBO push into a fight there was no way he could win.
Morrales, same thing as Corrales fighting Mayweather. He knew he wasn't a featherweight anymore but he took the fight anyway. But that's because he got thrashed so badly by Zahir Raheem, that no rematch was in the offing. By losing to Raheem so decisively, he had to meet Manny's demands. I would have loved to see them fight at lightweight.
DLH's jab was working but not to some devastating extent like I've seen people suggest. One of two things happened: Floyd took the jab from him with head movement and effective counterpunching or Oscar didn't feel it was as effective as observers perceived. It's not like Oscar was a rookie and didn't know how to handle a high profile fight and froze up.
Barrera was not a great fighter after the Pacquiao fight. Successful? Yes but his best days were way behind him at that point, similar to Ali after losing to Leon Spinks. I thought their rematch was an embarrassment for all parties involved.



Seems like Mayweather bullshit. This fight's a done deal but now he's fucking with Shane. I hope they didn't think because they were under the same umbrella, Floyd wasn't going to fuck with him.

Actually, if my memory serves me correctly, Corrales was going to jail, etc. after the fight so he would have had to relinquish his title anyway, but Floyd DEMANDED the fight be fought at the weight it was! I am going to research this and post what I find but I am almost certain that was the issue. You can't really say that Barrera was washed, sure he wasn't in his PRIME per se but he was a heavy favorite to beat Manny. Also, Morales did beat Manny the first time, but subsequent fights Manny became more and more dominant so it wasn't a case of Morales being done.

Also, say what you want, but PBF has been pushed into a corner with this fight, he is having issues with the reality of what is about to occur, and while I think the fight will take place, I don't believe it is because Floyd WANTS it as much as he HAS to take it! Question...Why does it seem that Floyd only FUCKS with the fighters that are a threat to him? Did he play these GAMES with Marquez? Hatton? Bruselles? Please Dude, fall back just a little on this reasoning BS!!!!

 

[Jordan Diddy Buk]

Like I said it is signed..

cough

 

[Jordan Diddy Buk]

Actually, if my memory serves me correctly, Corrales was going to jail, etc. after the fight so he would have had to relinquish his title anyway, but Floyd DEMANDED the fight be fought at the weight it was!

true and like I said he played mind games with chico. pbf was saying shit like I am going beat his ass for batter women all across america.

Corrales had a 115-7 record as an amateur and then went on to a professional record of 33-0, including three title defenses of his IBF belt. A match with rival Floyd Mayweather was slated for January 2001 with a record purse of $1.5 million each. On the surface, everything seemed to be falling into place for Corrales. In reality, though, everything was falling apart.

If Corrales was on top of his game inside the ring, he was losing control outside it. An argument with his then-wife Maria had escalated into a violent dispute, and Corrales’ court date loomed. A high-profile match with Mayweather was hurriedly put together, with some people contending that Corrales was being auctioned off--cashed out by the promoter while his career was still viable.

In the months leading up to the Mayweather fight, Corrales also found out his IBF 130-pound title had been abdicated by managers--and conveniently given to another fighter in their stable.

“I had a real-estate company at the time in Phoenix. Next thing I know, one of my friends comes on the computer and says, ‘You vacated your belt?’” said Corrales. At that time, he was having difficulty getting his weight down. “I’m starting to read this article about me giving up my title. And I felt like I didn’t have the opportunity to give up my belt. It was my right to give that up.”

Corrales sued his managers and settled in arbitration for an undisclosed sum. It was another distraction he didn’t need.

But Corrales didn’t care about any of that; he simply wanted to fight Mayweather and resolve their bitter rivalry in the ring. It was time to settle affairs with a man who’d taunted him endlessly about his personal problems with his wife and virtually everything else, too. Corrales is not quick to exchange verbal barbs; he bided his time, seething as Floyd milked every public appearance with a mounting tide of threats, insults and goading. Finally, Corrales succumbed, and the bad blood was flowing freely in both directions. With combined black and Hispanic fan bases, the bout was a natural headliner to kick off HBO’s 2001 broadcast schedule.

For Corrales, it meant making the dreaded 130-pound limit one last time; one final episode of long days with only a grapefruit to eat, of jogging in rubber suits and of endless steam baths to get down to the limit. One more time, and he’d be off to the 135-pound lightweights and living fat, never having to take off those terrible final pounds again.

He walked up to the scale, and the fight was, in a sense, lost right there. For all his efforts in the steam bath that morning, shedding 8 pounds, he was still 132--two pounds overweight. He went back and sucked the 2 pounds off in time for the weigh-in. A day later, his body both starved and waterlogged from his ensuing rehydration, he entered the ring--146 pounds at fight time--and the results were a disaster.

“I didn’t really realize ’til the third or fourth round that everything was going bad,” said Corrales. “And I was cramping up. … My legs started cramping real good, and I’m going, ‘What’s the deal here?’”

The blood feud had gotten the best of Corrales, his fury clouding years of training and technique. After being picked apart in a surgical manner, Corrales was floored three times in the seventh. He kept pressing, and Mayweather kept hitting him. Finally, in the 10th round, after the fifth knockdown, his stepfather waved the bout off and saved him from moot punishment.

“What the hell are you doing?” screamed Corrales. Woods, mindful of his stepson’s pride, shook his head--mute, yet resolute. Chico would take no more.

It was a fight that I felt bad for chico. He became a hero of mine when he got out of jail and got his life back in order. I remember pbf being an ass of mega proportions. All I know he is that same dude. He showed it with his dealings with manny. he has no respect for anyone. Expect maybe his fellow gbp fighters.

 

[Alaskanredman]

true and like I said he played mind games with chico. pbf was saying shit like I am going beat his ass for batter women all across america.

Corrales had a 115-7 record as an amateur and then went on to a professional record of 33-0, including three title defenses of his IBF belt. A match with rival Floyd Mayweather was slated for January 2001 with a record purse of $1.5 million each. On the surface, everything seemed to be falling into place for Corrales. In reality, though, everything was falling apart.

If Corrales was on top of his game inside the ring, he was losing control outside it. An argument with his then-wife Maria had escalated into a violent dispute, and Corrales’ court date loomed. A high-profile match with Mayweather was hurriedly put together, with some people contending that Corrales was being auctioned off--cashed out by the promoter while his career was still viable.

In the months leading up to the Mayweather fight, Corrales also found out his IBF 130-pound title had been abdicated by managers--and conveniently given to another fighter in their stable.

“I had a real-estate company at the time in Phoenix. Next thing I know, one of my friends comes on the computer and says, ‘You vacated your belt?’” said Corrales. At that time, he was having difficulty getting his weight down. “I’m starting to read this article about me giving up my title. And I felt like I didn’t have the opportunity to give up my belt. It was my right to give that up.”

Corrales sued his managers and settled in arbitration for an undisclosed sum. It was another distraction he didn’t need.

But Corrales didn’t care about any of that; he simply wanted to fight Mayweather and resolve their bitter rivalry in the ring. It was time to settle affairs with a man who’d taunted him endlessly about his personal problems with his wife and virtually everything else, too. Corrales is not quick to exchange verbal barbs; he bided his time, seething as Floyd milked every public appearance with a mounting tide of threats, insults and goading. Finally, Corrales succumbed, and the bad blood was flowing freely in both directions. With combined black and Hispanic fan bases, the bout was a natural headliner to kick off HBO’s 2001 broadcast schedule.

For Corrales, it meant making the dreaded 130-pound limit one last time; one final episode of long days with only a grapefruit to eat, of jogging in rubber suits and of endless steam baths to get down to the limit. One more time, and he’d be off to the 135-pound lightweights and living fat, never having to take off those terrible final pounds again.

He walked up to the scale, and the fight was, in a sense, lost right there. For all his efforts in the steam bath that morning, shedding 8 pounds, he was still 132--two pounds overweight. He went back and sucked the 2 pounds off in time for the weigh-in. A day later, his body both starved and waterlogged from his ensuing rehydration, he entered the ring--146 pounds at fight time--and the results were a disaster.

“I didn’t really realize ’til the third or fourth round that everything was going bad,” said Corrales. “And I was cramping up. … My legs started cramping real good, and I’m going, ‘What’s the deal here?’”

The blood feud had gotten the best of Corrales, his fury clouding years of training and technique. After being picked apart in a surgical manner, Corrales was floored three times in the seventh. He kept pressing, and Mayweather kept hitting him. Finally, in the 10th round, after the fifth knockdown, his stepfather waved the bout off and saved him from moot punishment.

“What the hell are you doing?” screamed Corrales. Woods, mindful of his stepson’s pride, shook his head--mute, yet resolute. Chico would take no more.

It was a fight that I felt bad for chico. He became a hero of mine when he got out of jail and got his life back in order. I remember pbf being an ass of mega proportions. All I know he is that same dude. He showed it with his dealings with manny. he has no respect for anyone. Expect maybe his fellow gbp fighters.

niggas got sob stories for Chico and Manny. These niggas get paid to get the life beat out of them and you are worried about shit talking and respect.

Why is it an excuse? If the nigga couldn't make the weight he shouldn't have signed to fight at that weight. I never understood niggas who drain their bodies anyway, because that shit catches up with you in the end. Plus the weight issue isn't the same as the PED's.

I hate formatting my computer cause shit is never the same and I got all types of bullshit going on with my computer.

I don't even remember the point I made about weight all I'll say is this. Niggas give too much credit to the weight issue when niggas is putting on lbs. It's harder to lose weight then it is to put on the weight properly. Most of these niggas as draining themselves anyway for a power advantage... so it is hard to even figure out these niggas natural weight and it hard for me to blame the weight cause these niggas do it to themselves by manipulating that shit.

I have experience with making weight and getting in shape like most niggas who played sports in high school and/or college, but the difference between us and the pros is that these niggas can afford the best trainers to get their bodies right. Also like I've stated before it was old school you performed at the weight you weigh in at not this next day shit.

For example De La fighting Manny at 146. I thought it would be impossible for a nigga his age and weight to get down to that weight but not only did he get down the nigga didn't even gain a lot of weight back on the night of the fight. Some people blame his loss on the weight, but would argue that the nigga looked just as old and slow as he did against PBF at 154. It wouldn't have made a different in my mind cause Oscar was gun shy and slow.

Even when Cotto moved down to the catch weight to fight Manny. I don't care what anyone says Cotto got in that niggas ass the first round. He got reckless and got hurt, but I don't blame the weight cause afterwards he started boxing beautifully. It was already to late, but it was Cotto's fight plan that loss that fight.

And like Floyd did against Oscar if you are going to fight a bigger guy at a bigger weight. It is on you to figure out a way to win.

nigga need to calm down with this negotiation bs too. An article comes out every other day about Floyd and the nigga fights once or twice a year. If you niggas know you history... most of the super fights take years to make. Shane fucked around with Floyd when Floyd had nothing to offer and now niggas have a problem cause Floyd's taking his time. When the fight is called off then bitch about Floyd and I'll be here with you, but chill until then.

 

[Upgrade Dave]

Actually, if my memory serves me correctly, Corrales was going to jail, etc. after the fight so he would have had to relinquish his title anyway, but Floyd DEMANDED the fight be fought at the weight it was! I am going to research this and post what I find but I am almost certain that was the issue. You can't really say that Barrera was washed, sure he wasn't in his PRIME per se but he was a heavy favorite to beat Manny. Also, Morales did beat Manny the first time, but subsequent fights Manny became more and more dominant so it wasn't a case of Morales being done.

Who's the favorite or not is meaningless in a business where guys fight each other to determine a winner. Barrera was coming off the Morales trilogy and Pacquiao was a little known up and comer. The combination of Barrera's decline and the style clash made it a one sided thrashing. He was done on an elite level and Pacquiao was the guy to show it.
Morales was done at featherweight/super featherweight. That third fight shouldn't have even been sanctioned. Morales shorten his career taking those fights at that weight.

Also, say what you want, but PBF has been pushed into a corner with this fight, he is having issues with the reality of what is about to occur, and while I think the fight will take place, I don't believe it is because Floyd WANTS it as much as he HAS to take it! Question...Why does it seem that Floyd only FUCKS with the fighters that are a threat to him? Did he play these GAMES with Marquez? Hatton? Bruselles? Please Dude, fall back just a little on this reasoning BS!!!!

Hell yeah he had to take it. Who else was he going to fight that people would pay to see? As soon as Andre Berto pulled out, Mosley jumped to the head of the line.
I don't see the problem with Mayweather doing things like he does. These types of shenanigans go on in every sport, whether it's Ali taunting Frazier and Foreman or Lawrence Taylor sending prostitutes to opponents hotel room.
I don't remember him going after Castillo, though. He may have but I don't recall and that guy could be recognized as a threat.

 

[Alaskanredman]

Who's the favorite or not is meaningless in a business where guys fight each other to determine a winner. Barrera was coming off the Morales trilogy and Pacquiao was a little known up and comer. The combination of Barrera's decline and the style clash made it a one sided thrashing. He was done on an elite level and Pacquiao was the guy to show it.
Morales was done at featherweight/super featherweight. That third fight shouldn't have even been sanctioned. Morales shorten his career taking those fights at that weight.


Hell yeah he had to take it. Who else was he going to fight that people would pay to see? As soon as Andre Berto pulled out, Mosley jumped to the head of the line.
I don't see the problem with Mayweather doing things like he does. These types of shenanigans go on in every sport, whether it's Ali taunting Frazier and Foreman or Lawrence Taylor sending prostitutes to opponents hotel room.
I don't remember him going after Castillo, though. He may have but I don't recall and that guy could be recognized as a threat.

This nigga was talking about fighting Shane months ago. Most of ya'll were posting in a thread about this same shit and now ya'll act like PBF is being forced to make this fight. Floyd's team publicly called out Mosley months ago and said if the Manny fight fell through, that Shane was the next nigga. Now that Shane is the dude in negotiations, niggas are acting like Floyd doesn't want this fight. If that was the case... why would Floyd have his team even come out of their mouths?

It is also funny how niggas will rule out Shane's toothache like it wasn't clearly a ducking, but call into question Floyd's statement about Shane being old. When Shane is actually old and no matter what, Floyd won't get credit if he beats Shane because of that same fact. If you think about it at least Floyd was shitting on Shane and not pulling a bitch move by saying he has to take care of his "toothache". I don't care who Shane has fought or proven his heart against, there is no excuse for that shit.

 

[Alaskanredman]

Damn... where are all the doubters and complainers?

 

[Jordan Diddy Buk]

Damn... where are all the doubters and complainers?

You must be talking about Schaefer. He is the one that put PBF on blast with the interview with Dan. He was doubting the fight. So you can't get mad at people responding to a person not signing what they agreed on in a timely manner. lol, come on. So it is finally signed. I wish download or watch it in a bar. I can not ever imagine spending money to see a guy cover up and lightly jab his way to victory. I can't wait to see it though. I hope shane and him make it a fight that warrants a rematch. But it really depends how much action or drama takes place.

another thing why GBP is bullshit.

today

“When two champions of this caliber meet in the ring, you can expect nothing but excellence and that is what we are going to see on May 1,” said Richard Schaefer, CEO, Golden Boy Promotions. “Shane Mosley is one of the greatest fighters of this era and I commend him for not only agreeing to the fight against Mayweather, but also agreeing to participate in a testing process that can only help the integrity of the sport.”

a year ago


Also for the record, Golden Boy Promotions rejected Judah's demand for an independent blood test or any additional tests beyond those of the Nevada State Athletic Commission.

Schaefer told the Associated Press "We are not going to do other tests than the Nevada commission requires. The fact is Shane is not a cheater and he does not need to be treated like one."

 

[Alaskanredman]

You must be talking about Schaefer. He is the one that put PBF on blast with the interview with Dan. He was doubting the fight. So you can't get mad at people responding to a person not signing what they agreed on in a timely manner. lol, come on. So it is finally signed. I wish download or watch it in a bar. I can not ever imagine spending money to see a guy cover up and lightly jab his way to victory. I can't wait to see it though. I hope shane and him make it a fight that warrants a rematch. But it really depends how much action or drama takes place.

another thing why GBP is bullshit.

today

“When two champions of this caliber meet in the ring, you can expect nothing but excellence and that is what we are going to see on May 1,” said Richard Schaefer, CEO, Golden Boy Promotions. “Shane Mosley is one of the greatest fighters of this era and I commend him for not only agreeing to the fight against Mayweather, but also agreeing to participate in a testing process that can only help the integrity of the sport.”

a year ago


Also for the record, Golden Boy Promotions rejected Judah's demand for an independent blood test or any additional tests beyond those of the Nevada State Athletic Commission.

Schaefer told the Associated Press "We are not going to do other tests than the Nevada commission requires. The fact is Shane is not a cheater and he does not need to be treated like one."

Schaefer was doing what he gets paid to do. You don't realize yet, that these boxing promoters and spokesmen are all double talk because they get paid to be that way?

Now what's your excuse?

 

[Jordan Diddy Buk]

I wonder when the old pbf is going to come out. Shane probably will get to him at some point in the press conferences. It is going to be interesting to see if they go at it or be respectful. I think we are going to see a more agressive shane. I am sure he wanted this fight more than pbf. it is going to be interesting.

 

[Upgrade Dave]

I wonder when the old pbf is going to come out. Shane probably will get to him at some point in the press conferences. It is going to be interesting to see if they go at it or be respectful. I think we are going to see a more agressive shane. I am sure he wanted this fight more than pbf. it is going to be interesting.

They'll play the respect game as long as they can but they will get into it, sooner and not later.

 

[Upgrade Dave]

Schaefer was doing what he gets paid to do. You don't realize yet, that these boxing promoters and spokesmen are all double talk because they get paid to be that way?

Now what's your excuse?

It's only GB's double talk that counts. Arum eagerly and publicly sought out Paulie Malignaggi as an opponent for Manny while they were still in negotiations with Mayweather. But it's Floyd that gets Paulie thrown at him.